 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you coming up on DTNS spoiler alert We reveal everything that's gonna happen in tech in the year 2023. We're just gonna tell you it all right now This is the Daily Tech News show for Friday December 30th 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio red But I'm Sarah Lane from New York City. I'm I as actor I'm the show's producer Roger Chang and joining us to spoil everything that's gonna happen in 2023 Data scientist comedian circus performer and host of majoring in everything Andrea Jones Roy welcome back Thank you so much for having me. It's good to be here. Good to predict the future I'm glad the data can tell you exactly what you tell us everything as we as we well know Also co-host of Brad and will made a tech pod will Smith welcome back I'm here with all the very serious future predictions as you can tell yes That the prediction that will is making with his with his accoutrements is that we will all wear light up reindeer horns Look, we need more rings in our lives. That's like we need hoops. Where's the future? It's the 21st century We should all be wearing like rings around our heads. They should float. They should spin They should be all lit up. I am an agreement like a slight Donnie Durko vibe, but I like it. I Will then read on my top hat. Oh, it's so good Tom. Yeah I am entirely unadorned though. I do have a huge pile of circus costumes just down here to my right I could have put them on I mean you could yeah, you could totally just outdo all of us in a heartbeat, right? Yeah Your appetite for sequins, but yeah Insatiable is how I would describe For sequence here on December 30th just days away from sequin-filled New Year's Eve. I would expect right Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Sarah Lane Yes, you Get the distinct honor of starting us off with what is going to happen in 2023 in the world of technology What do you think is going to happen the first of your predictions? Okay, so alright So I thought a lot about this and obviously as of late the Twitter Circus that it is is its own thing but going off of Twitter for a second Thinking okay. Well, you know, where do we all want to talk? In the future. Let's just say that you know, we have other options but besides Twitter and Facebook and Google plus ha ha and I I've I've been really interested in testing out the waters of all of those alternatives and I think that mastodon has gotten the most attention recently because Well for a variety of reasons but decentralization is one of them But also just a kind of like it kind of seems like Twitter, but it's better than Twitter in these Variety of ways and Having spent a lot of time on mastodon I'm going to predict and it's not because I want this to happen But it's because I think that it just isn't gonna stick I think I think it is it is something that people are Enthusiastic about the idea of Twitter being a Version of Twitter where there is no, you know one person in charge or you know a company in charge is is very attractive and That said And I'm among these people many people who live and work in tech and understand how this all works Kind of keep going. Yeah, but is it is this really the future? I don't know I want it to be and yet my prediction is that I think it's not gonna work Okay, but I'm gonna push you a little bit. What does that mean not gonna work? Does that mean like I think and people are gonna be using it the way they are now? Yeah, I feel like it's going to let's say let's call it six months from now in 2023 I don't think Macedon is gonna be a thing And you know like I said, I I would like that to be not to be the case I just I feel like there are too many folks saying to me too many folks who know Exactly how it works and why it works and why it's good to be like, but where is everybody? it's you know Too deregulated and people are all over the place and you know Maybe they have our other options. I just don't see it. I don't see it being the new social network So to be clear you're not saying it disappears. You're just saying it goes back to being a niche thing I just don't yeah I don't think it becomes they're like, oh remember when we all use Twitter and now we all use mastodon I just don't see that. Yeah, and you know, call me crazy. I might be wrong have been before Call you Sarah. Yeah. Thank you So, yeah, that's that's kind of that's kind of where I am on this All right, that's on Sarah's prediction mastodon fades back into its earlier form as a as a fun But niche sort of place for people. I Mean it's kind of it's kind of an interesting like I think it oddly How mastodon does depends on what happens with Twitter, right? because if if if Elon Musk is yeeted from Twitter tomorrow and and you know Jack Dorsey comes back riding on in some sort of Enormous horse or something and saves the day then which I don't think will happen either Oh, I think it'll be a perfectly normal size horse. Yeah, I mean, he's not gonna bring a sink We know that okay horses are expensive and they don't have the budget. We know that that's right But yeah, if like if Twitter becomes a hospitable place for people to do their brand engagement and their marketing and and all the things that we use Twitter for and Talking about what we had for lunch then I think Sarah's probably absolutely right if Twitter remains You know a toxic health stew then then all bets are off and I don't know well And I think it will remain a toxic health stew My point is that I don't think that mastodon is where Everybody goes after this it could be they go somewhere else something that hasn't even launched yet Maybe exactly blue or maybe it's something totally different. Yeah, yeah And there are other options now, and I think people are you know kind of just you know test in the waters work and It could be clerk Google plus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah No, I think yeah. Yeah, sir. I think you're right I have my doubts that mastodon is gonna take over as the thing and I think I think it maybe has less to do with What happens with Twitter because I think there is no going back to the old Twitter And it's not that the old Twitter was it was perfect either and so I think that's gonna Just be a lot of shifts. I think it's gonna be much more of a Random slash our elite particular elites vocal people going to move to one or the other And I don't hear anyone who's like a big mover going to mastodon in a way That's more so than poster or wherever else So I think it's gonna be much more of a human driven kind of collective action problem That's gonna get in mastodon's way and it's gonna be less reliant on what's going on Twitter But I agree with you that I don't think it's gonna be the one I Mean it could be that we all just kind of migrate to Instagram where a lot of people are anyway or tumblr I think tumblr is an underdog here tumblr. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it's definitely an underdog I think that's that's there every year to say But I think people under underestimate what it's up to Were you big tumblrers? I've been posting more to tumblr. I used to be yeah, not lately And it's run by Matt Mullenwag who runs wordpress I tumbled a bit back in the day, but I never really used it. It was just a microphone for myself I As any last thoughts before we move to Sarah's second prediction Sure, if mastodon was as easy to use as Twitter I think people would be on top of it But that was one of the the hardest things about mastodon was explaining how exactly do I use this? Right and that's I think unless something changes or somebody else Decides to roll their own server and that one becomes like the most popular one I think I'm gonna tend to agree with Sarah that mastodon won't replace Twitter I think Andrea was right as well with Twitter's the old Twitter's gone. So we'll see what else pops up. It might be something Maybe you'll make it at home right now. You're not doing anything. You do. Yeah New Year's resolution for you the listener right now Which makes me think a Twitter blue too could do like fix what mastodon and Maybe we'll maybe it won't What's your second prediction? Okay, so my second prediction has nothing to do with Twitter. So I have relief from everybody However, we have heard Over the last month or so, you know a lot of a lot of rumblings about what is going on in the the The smart home I The system's voice assistance. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, which Amazon's assistant. I will not say her name, but we all know who we're talking about but that is not the only one there's obviously, you know, Google home and Bixby However, many others I know ha ha Bixby, but what I what I do I wonder about and this is actually something That's going to affect my life because pretty much my entire home is a smart home where I tell it Audibly to do all the things, you know turn my TV on You know Make my light, you know over on that particular dresser 50% rather than a hundred percent, you know I have lots of lots of Routines Yeah, thank you, Tom. You it's like you're reading my mind of That I've been going through over the last few years and I'm so into it You know smart lights are just one part of it, but you can really get deep into it if you want to so when I had heard that at least You know, if you're just talking about Amazon specifically that You know You know some they had spent a little bit too much money in that arena and they're gonna cut back And maybe they don't really know what the assistant is super good for over time that gave me some pause and I don't really know what that means if nothing gets better than it is right now My life doesn't get worse I want to talk to my television. I want to talk to my My microwave which I do I want to talk to my fridge. I want to talk to my Certain lights in my bathroom all is fine, but if it doesn't get any More complex than this I'm not sure that anybody who isn't an enthusiast the way that I am right now is Going to get into this and I think that that's what a company like Amazon or a company like Google etc are worried about and Because some of the big tech companies have been cutting back on a lot of employees as of late it seems that this is an area where they are not totally sure where they go from there either and I wonder if we're gonna have kind of a hard time with with voice assistants going forward So how do we tell if you're right or not? Is it outages? Is it just declining market share? They stop introducing products. I yeah, I I guess we would say that I'm right if it doesn't Advance in any way beyond right now Got it. So if it's pretty much exactly because I think now or worse because I think if you if you cut Let's say you cut 10% of your work staff that's in that arena Probably the way that voice assistants work right now, you know, it's already been established, but it's not going to evolve So that's my prediction. No evolving of Amazon voice assistants. What do we think? I Mean, I think you've just given the best case for smart home devices that I've ever heard I don't talk to anything in my house and now I feel like I wish I did and I So I don't know I might now have been propelled to go against your prediction and put all my Yeah, yeah, we're causing our predictions to materialize no I think that you're right and I where I thought you were gonna go with this when you first opened up is It was gonna go away because we why why do we have these? Well, I'm thinking of the the physical cylinders and the discs and the stuff that you put on your counter But it's like why do we have a separate thing for it? I'm sure I could just use my phone to talk to all my devices and maybe that still counts as those devices If it's all centralized in one thing I thought you were gonna say it's gonna go away because we're just all gonna be doing it from our phones and we don't need to buy like a Certain brand of fridge or a certain brand of whatever Well, I think that I think that's probably part of it. There was probably some hardware That just People don't want to buy anymore because you can do exactly what you're talking about Andrea, right? But I think it's it's more of the like, okay Well, sure smart home stuff, you know smart light bulbs smart Various devices. We've got matter coming out like the the world is our oyster But at the same time it seems like a lot of these companies are like we put a lot of R&D into this and You know the people who care about it already care about it and maybe the people who don't aren't gonna get on board This is the classic thing though. You companies spend billions of dollars building out this technology They get to the end. They have something that works and is kind of compelling to a niche or enthusiast market and then they pull the rug out from under it right around the time it starts to get interesting to normal human beings and It looks like Alexa like Amazon's gonna do that with Alexa. They said they were gonna spend less money on Alexa next year They they they did some writing down. I is my understanding and I think it leaves an opportunity for Apple and Google and the other people That are in that space including some of the open source alternatives for that for that, you know, the voice the voice assistant market I'm curious with matter coming out But it being a real thing having a lot more devices working making sure that smart home devices get to more and more homes now You have a lot more data points So if Amazon is gonna keep around its voice assistant They can collect a lot more data than they previously could because it was an enthusiast product I talked to everything in my home anyway, whether it's smart or not So the thing is these these things are gonna get smarter. I'm gonna actually I disagree with Sarah on this I don't think that I don't think it's gonna stop We might lose some of the hangars on like like the Bixby's and maybe even Siri if Apple decides to really do something with that thing I'm still not sure what they're doing with that But I think between Google Amazon machine learning and matter There's gonna be so much more data points and a lot more homes that are gonna have the stuff that we're gonna see an evolution next year not an official pick I Think that Those stories about Amazon were overblown because people really wanted to fit a narrative they have about big tech And that it was very simply Amazon shifting strategy and saying we're not making the money off retail We thought with these so we need to retrench and move it into a smart home That may make Sarah right this year as they make that transition, right? Yeah, so so it's not a long game though It's not necessarily going to disprove but it's to me It's less about like oh, they don't know what to do with it and they're giving up It's more about oh, we thought we could drive retail sales and we're not but like what I has pointed out There's matter and there's this other stuff. Let's let's rework it and figure it out there. All right good predictions Sarah Andrea, let's move to you. What's your first prediction for 2023? Let's go So I have been thinking a lot about as many people have about chat GPT and frankly Sarah in our conversation about Smart everything I was like well, we're only going to get better at talking to machines Or they're only going to get better at talking to us so so it may even play a role there But I I'm a professor and so when chat GPT first came out I was one of many many thousands of faculty all around the world who said oh my gosh our ability to do Traditional assignments has gone out the window and I don't normally do essay-based assignments But I do do you know answer with a paragraph and do some code and then talk about that and it can do all of those Things not so well and not so perfect and all of that But it's enough that it can fundamentally change how assignments are being done And I assigned research papers for my college seniors where there is a fair amount of writing You have to pose the question and give a lit review and most of all if we're thinking about college We're thinking about things like the college admissions essay where you write about what you know? Amazing profound time you had in your life and why that makes you perfect for Tulane University or whatever and so I joined the panic of professors who were like this is all gonna go out the window and I've been thinking about it and I've been reading about it and the I have Decided that I'm gonna be slightly more optimistic than I normally am and I think that while indeed chat GPT is gonna require Us to be more careful about the types of papers that we assign the types of writing that we ask of students and the types of writing That we read and and ask of anyone not just college students Well, that's gonna be a serious You know wrinkle and how we do things and I think a welcome maybe initiative to change I think the good news is that all of this stuff all this interest in natural language processing and and text and in Literature and intersections of all of this, you know, we could have chat GPT right movie scripts I think it's gonna be awesome for the humanities and by extension the social sciences because it's gonna actually require people who would otherwise Maybe just be hyper focused for whatever personal intrinsic or extrinsic reason on data science computer science engineering You're gonna be forced to have to study things related to language linguistics history Maybe you want to generate use chappy chat GPT to generate a movie script You're probably gonna want to take a film class and so I've decided you know Even in my own course where I teach natural language processing We can't do it without understanding how you divide up language and whether grammar means something and what happens if you Take that grammar away and so there's a lot to be afraid of with chat GPT But one thing that's gonna be great I think is that we're gonna see more interest in the humanities and in particular my prediction Is that we're going to actually see an increase in enrollment in humanities courses across at least American universities? I won't pretend to know how other university systems work. So spring semester Summer term if there is one fall semester next year I think we can look for statistically significant differences of more people enrolled in humanities courses across universities That's my prediction slash hope. I like this. I like that. It's a very aspirational prediction But it's a good one chat GPT will will increase humanities enrollment. What do we think? I Can't argue with this at all. I love this idea as somebody who's a science background with humanity love of humanities Like my life is better because I studied both things, right? And I think I think that this is a really really exciting take on something that I felt kind of grim about so thanks Andrea I might be delusional. Let's uh I'm coming to you at the end of a semester of you know students who never want to do anything But write computer code and you're just like but I think you have to be do both And you know so I'm living in the extreme tales of nervous students who want to stick with data science And so I might be just doubly reacting to that and chat GPT But I I think that there's something there, you know I've never seen more computer scientists reading long pieces of text until very recently it kind of forces them to do it I think that's the interesting part of this. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I really hope you're right on this because I was thinking the same thing that if you GPT can be wrong so you have to review everything so carefully So even if you don't want to do a secondary or tertiary thing related to what you're like Is this actually right so you actually reviewing and editing in a different way you normally would so actually might remove Some pain points might make people learn. Yes. No, I is I absolutely I've read a point similar to that that I Not my own but but I was very excited and helped me get to my prediction Which was you know, maybe we we see students who aren't taking classes that are History literature and so on because you have this idea that you have to write a big paper at the end and no one wants to write papers I don't want to write papers No one does and so if you have an idea that Writing the paper itself is actually going to be made easier because at least a rough draft can be given to you I think it will still be a lot of work and maybe even more work in the end Like if you ever try to like read jigger someone's code instead of writing your own Sometimes it's faster and sometimes it just ends up taking way longer because you're trying to make sense of what someone else has Done. I think that it will make a perceived barrier to entry for taking these courses and enjoying them I think they will make that barrier to entry lower and therefore more people might take it who might otherwise be interested But dissuaded because of the essay side of things I almost made like responsible ai frameworks one of my I'm not that's not the prediction I'm making but this fits right in with that. Yeah, okay All right, uh prediction number two. Andrea. What do you got? All right. Well, I'm glad you said responsible ai frameworks and uh, we've talked about this on the show So maybe that's why it's on my mind But this is I will link the the twitter conversation with responsible ai in that I think the the mess that's been going on with twitter Is going to be one of the biggest drivers to my actual prediction Which is we're going to see a passage of the uh, I forget the exact congressional the algorithmic Uh, shoot. What's the name of the bill? There's a accountability accountability act of 2022 I was like, I'm sure there's legislation out there. So there's the algorithmic accountability act of 2022 It's uh been brought up in congress. It's been proposed. It hasn't gone through any other steps My concrete prediction is that that or some version of it will be passed in 2023 And I am arguing that twitter and the mess that it's created will actually Propel it to be more likely to happen this coming year than in future years because As we were talking about with sarah's prediction We all experienced how much a change in an algorithm or even a change in One person who then changes the people who change the algorithm has impacted our lives And I think it's a moment of like we're all this is water. We just live in algorithms. We don't Yeah, they affect our lives. We don't really see it Whereas we all kind of got to see a mini not a counterfactual But another we're living in what is kind of a parallel reality with a different person at the helm And I don't know about you all but I am seeing differences in my timeline, right? Like I'm seeing different things are being promoted People I used to follow obviously some are leaving but they're being not as promoted And I think we're experiencing how much of an effect the algorithms have on us Because we've just been given this like big moment of change And I think feeling that has started to make me and more importantly lots and lots of people Question. Hang on. Well, what if one other person just flipped a different switch at youtube? What if someone changed something big at instagram and yes, these algorithms evolve all the time And there are little changes and we move towards reels and people complain or they take it back or whatever But I think this big kind of like Punctuated equilibrium moment where it's like the before twitter and the after twitter and how much of an impact these algorithms have on Literally the world that we are experiencing the news that we're given the perspectives that were put in front of I think that Seismic shift is going to spur more people into action and support for algorithmic accountability in congress I don't know that those bills are going to do anything. My prediction is just we'll see some legislation You got to where I was going Which is like, I think you're right that everyone being upset about something will cause a bill to be passed whether it has any effect Totally totally different thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Living in a post algorithm world over on mastodon has been really fascinating right because people are coming in They're like, wait, how do you find stuff? Oh, oh, I have to wait for somebody to boost it into my timeline How do I find people to follow you follow hashtags and you do all the things that we used to do in the pre algorithmic timeline version of twitter And it's just it's just incredibly foreign at this point. So yeah, I I want I I'm all for algorithmic accountability, whether it comes in the form of an act or You know something that actually works I mean the other version of this I was trying to think about what's the measurable Version, uh, maybe more impactful But kind potentially harder to measure version of my prediction or manifestation My prediction is we may see the big tech companies and some are already doing this We may see the big tech companies start to post Big websites or big pages where they actually walk through how the algorithm works now. I realized that A just knowing that doesn't tell you what the output is going to be just looking at a bunch of code I think wouldn't be sufficient. You'd have to talk about like, what are my decisions around? What am I training on? What am I testing on my this? I don't know that a lot of people are going to bother to read those I don't even know that that's something that companies would be open to doing for, you know Privacy the algorithm is the product that they're making money on at the end of the day But my other ideas apart from legislation was like, you know, maybe the 10 biggest tech companies You'll start to see like youtube is like, hey, here's a like a high level how the algorithm works I don't know that would also put a lot of people whose job it is to say Here's how to tackle the tick tock algorithm like out of business. So maybe Yeah, although I look at it like security open open source Programs are more secure because more eyes are on them So so maybe that algorithm will be more secure with more eyes on them But it's a different situation when you're talking about Gaming an algorithm where even if you let people know what the algorithm is sometimes people make the algorithm Don't even know why it works the way it does. Well, exactly I'm not sure how helpful this ends up being but that doesn't mean your prediction won't come to fruition right Well, you know, I really must be down on algorithms because I'm like, I don't think the Transparency by the algorithm itself is going to help us but congress might like that's a delusion that I'm You lose me there, but yeah, yeah All right, any other thoughts on Andrea's prediction I think that the threat of litigation. I have another location of legislation. I didn't read the actual I didn't look at the actual text of this accountability act yet But I would think that the threat of it would cause a consortium to Consortium to exist within the big companies going we're going to regulate ourselves Could we actually know what we're talking about at least we have the we can show you that we have an idea What this is because every single time I've covered a congressional hearing. Yeah regarding technology it has been It's not gone. Well, let's go with that. Anyway, it's it's just been a bunch of befuddled people who have no idea how technology works and I I fear for what they might unintentionally put in these bills because they don't understand what they're talking about so I think it might force a self-regulation just because that would be It'd be a good PR move from the big companies Yeah, yeah, don't don't regulate us. We'll regulate ourselves as a common common response for sure All right, let's move on to you. Will Smith put your put your money where your antlers are What's your first prediction for 2023? Well, so I think that apple knocks something loose when they did the do not track flag on phones a couple years It seems like forever ago, but it's probably been like nine months or a year or something at this point Um, you know, we saw what it did to google and apple and and facebook's valuations in terms of You know, how it how it's impacted their ad revenue But I think more importantly than the revenue side It's it's made people focus on privacy in a way that you know, 20 years of cori doctor We're all yelling about people being tracked on the internet hasn't hasn't had an impact the idea that every time you open an app It says hey, I don't want to be tracked Is is an important It has has people that don't normally think about this kind of stuff talking about privacy I get questions about privacy from from from maybe on my parents friends and stuff like that at this point Which is which has been an interesting conversation to have Um, I think that along with that, you know, I've been working on the fospod for a year now Which is a we we talk to people who create free and open source software Uh at all different kind of stages on the life cycle that moved and one of the things I've noticed along as part of that that podcast Is that there's this there's a moment in a lot of popular open source software where there's an inflection point where the number of users You know skyrockets and as a result of the number people are contributing to the code skyrockets And then all of a sudden the the kind of scrappy underdog open source software becomes the market leader in a segment And it's a it's a really exciting moment for these projects How they like the podcast is about how they transition through that moment a lot of times And I think that those two things are combining To you know, the the privacy focus is pushing more people toward open source software um Because they the perception is that open sources is it's better to work with an open source software than have adobe or google or amazon or facebook tracking tracking your your work and how you're how you're participating You know in the internets And at the same time those small projects are becoming really good You know tools everything from like blender and inkscape for content creation or audacity to Running home assistant on a cheap raspberry pi versus buying something from samsung or google to do your home automation work You know the the the tools are getting really really good And I think that those two lines are going to intersect those two trends are going to intersect and we're going to see A really a much wider Uh interest in adoption of open source software in the next year, but I don't That the asterisk is I don't think it's going to be the year of linux desktop I was going to steal my joke. I was going to make you answer that. Yeah No, absolutely not the year of linux on so that's your prediction. This is not the year of linux on the desktop It's a total cop-out prediction. I'm saying the 2023 will not be the year of linux on the desktop But but you you think we'll see a measurable increase in adoption of open source. That's interesting We're we're already seeing it and like blender is is the use of blender in the games industry is kind of going Through the roof this year people people are looking at it as hey, it's a it's a You know the tools that it competes with are phenomenally expensive, but it's also kind of the swiss army knife and people are learning how to use blender in school in art school now and and It's opened the doors to a lot of a lot of potential artists that maybe didn't have access to those tools previously That's a good one. Any any thoughts on will's prediction? I hope he's right because that's another one Usually get a lot more a lot more eyes on it. We talked about it before a lot more eyes on the actual Code, you know what's going on things get fixed when things are gone gone wrong You know about it right away like there's very little downside to it Unless somebody actually takes that open source software and closes it up later and call it something else You know like the xbmc thing that happened a long time ago Right or or some kind of unintended secondary use, but I like to think that that's going to happen People are going to do nasty stuff with code no matter what and I don't know that keeping things You know helpful tools on on the internet that are open source that that's necessarily going to drive it No, I think it's good. I'm excited that there's a another positive prediction I one thing I would want to know and I realize this isn't part of your prediction is What who are going to be the people using and and making available these open open source tools? And in particular as I've sort of tipped my hand on this I'm very interested in getting people who are currently maybe Not not technophobic, but techno hesitant or or feel like they're not Coders or can't get involved. I would love to see not just more people using open source code who already have Access to our awareness of these tools but taking more advantage of them But also maybe inviting in just like will was saying like artists and other people who don't typically use or interact with You know technology in that way. I would be really excited if it goes that far All right, let's move on to your second prediction will what do you got for us? Because the second thing is I've been thinking a lot about computational photography Which is the idea that you know your your modern smartphone has this kind of crappy image sensor on it It's a small sensor. It's a small piece of glass and typically, you know With photography that you want a bigger piece of glass and a bigger sensor But somehow apple and google and samsung and all the people making smartphones are now Creating these unbelievable photos out of these tiny little sensors by combining multiple sensors and doing a bunch of really smart compute work around that and I think that that idea of compute plus an existing endemic market is You know, probably it's decimated the photo mark the the the dedicated Camera market. I think that there's probably other markets that's going to come into and somebody's somebody's somebody's Got to be working on this right now. So my prediction is that someone will add I think home audio is probably the obvious one. Ah So I think that someone's going to add compute to the home audio category and just absolutely demolish the endemic players um, you know, we see if you look at the you know Um, uh sarah's alexa or the google the you know, the little google Speaker pucks or homebods or whatever. Yeah, whatever you have They have everything in them that you need Combined with a smartphone to map out the room and know where they are in the room You know, they have microphones. They have directional speakers Presumably we could build a really impressive sound field with a depth camera on your phone by scanning your room Letting it know where the where the speakers are and then You know use the magic of of massive massively available edge compute To make those tiny $50 kind of crappy speakers sound like something that's Get you know, gonna make the the five foot tall clutches in my living room sound like they're for babies So so that's my prediction is uh is computational Computational audio, uh is gonna be a big thing next year. Oh man. I hope it is I really do I and I think really the the biggest barrier people are being like, well, that's too much information You know, I don't want to tell people how my home is set up because you get that all the time, right? and It that is that is valid and that's fair But uh, if you are willing to to you know, sort of get on board with hey, let's make these speakers This audio experience to be the best possible based on where you are right now You know and how sound is bouncing off that that that is that is a that's that would be a big win for audio enthusiasts if not everybody The the thing that I think They're like amazon has a problem with this because there's a lot a lot of lack of consumer trust for amazon and facebook And and to a lesser extent I think google, but I think apple could get away with this I think sonos could get away with this I think somebody like I in a perfect world there's somebody in their garage right now Replacing the motherboards in your little google speaker pucks with their own hardware and their own software and and just building You know drafting on the on the billion dollar investment these big corporations have done to make these cool homebrew speakers I don't think that's actually happening, but in my heart of hearts. I wish it was I mean, it's probably happening whether or not it's going to reach the consumer market as something else. Yeah Yeah, well, I was just going to say, you know, I one of the reasons I don't have home anything Is I'm paranoid and also a luddite but paranoid But I do have so no speakers and I've sure I've told them all kinds of things about my home already without realizing it So, uh, and it's great. It's a vast improvement. So I I hope you're right Yeah, it can come from a trusted brand it could do a lot to prove that it's all on device You don't go to the cloud for that sort of thing I as any other thoughts on this one I think I'm gonna echo everything everybody else said I want this to be true because audio I have way too many speakers and they could be way better and the other things they don't actually have to be better I just need to hear them in a different way. Maybe they don't need to be projecting every which way It's just like we're gonna get to you. We know you're sitting there right now. So that I want to be true, but I don't have high hopes because I I think if will's wrong It's because he's too early Like it may just may not happen next year But I think you will eventually be right about this. It makes perfect sense People dismissed the idea that you could replace those big complex lenses with something in a smartphone and then look what happened So, uh, yeah, if it doesn't happen next year, I still think you're probably going to be right down the road Fingers crossed we'll see. Yeah, I just I just want to make all these little speakers sound good Please and I think it's totally possible Totally possible. In fact, now it will happen because somebody's listening to this and it's like, hey, wait a minute I have an idea. I'm gonna do that. No, you just incepted them Yeah, and if you have uh, send us an email We'd love to hear about your new idea and uh, know about it before everybody else Or if you have a prediction yourself, you're like, here's the prediction y'all didn't make I'm gonna send it to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We would love to hear them All right, coming into the home stretch. I as Aktar What is going to happen in 2023 in technology? Well, I didn't think anywhere near as big as as you guys did so that's great So I'm going to give you like the the tamest Predictions that are probably going to happen. My first one is something really simple and it's been denied forever macOS is going to run on an iPad In 2023 it's going to be official It's going to happen. You could do it already, but you're saying it's going to be official It's going to be something that apple will yeah at wwdc Then I'm like, look you can run it We just had to figure out the best perfect way for it to run on an iPad and now it does They already shared the same system on a chip. They already have the spacing all set up in the new version of macOS everything got spaced out. There's so much overlap at this point ipad apps ios apps also run on On my mac mini right now the m1 mac mini super old It's just we're waiting and we're waiting and we're waiting So I think we're finally to get it in 2023 Fred Federighi is going to be so excited to show it to us It's going to be Okay, because there needs to be a reason why the ipad pro and the macbook pro Like how did these things coexist and they got to figure this out? So I think we're going to have macOS on an iPad Will it replace ipad os or will it be like a boot camp situation? I think it'll be an app As in like we'll get up mac os 10 or not Very happily you're right right so like when you dock it it acts like a desktop so basically look here's here's You really want to think about how this is going to work thinking about how windows 8 was supposed to work And this is how it's actually going to work like oh you dock it now it knows It's a computer now. Oh now you have a touch now. It's going to be ipad first It's going to it's going to be one of those smart devices that figure out how you use it when you need to use it Oh, you're docked with a laptop with a with a uh with a keyboard now It's more like a pc like it's it's going to do that because apple's going to just copy windows 8 and do it right This is a fascinating idea to me right like of all the like I think I think if anything you're probably like five years too early Because what they'll do is they'll they have this running right now in kupertino, right? Like you can go into the mother ship mother ship right now and and this is how Federico uses his his ipad right now But but they're going to wait until nobody wants this feature anymore and it completely doesn't matter before they actually roll it out And then they'll make a big fuss about it and how great it is. Oh, yeah, whenever it happens. That's going to happen for sure. Yeah Ah interesting Is it going to go as far as I imagine not but I would kind of just for fun like to see it on my phone as well But if it works for an ipad it should work for a phone right for the most part They keep they still keep those things separate, which is still strange There's certain multitasking things you can't do on on an iphone even though they got huge So I don't see unless they they make mac os An app just like I was talking about your doca phone and it does it that would be That's they've had patents for that in the past. We could basically doca phone make it a laptop. So Could do it and that's not my prediction right now. I don't think an iphone Foldable iphone That runs ipad os and then could do this That might be your entry point to the phone because the a chip the phones with the a chip won't do this But a foldable would have an m chip in it presumably Possibly anyway I mean 10 years out is the convergence and I know people have talked about this forever But the convergence of ipads laptops and phones there. It's just all one medium size Block and I agree. Yeah folding right. Why do we have all these separate devices? It doesn't make any sense 10 years out. It's going to be neural link all the way. That's That's really what we're going. I mean, I'm pissed in line. It's going great so far everything. Okay, perfect That's what the antlers are about now. I see. Yeah. Yeah, they just hide the plugs. It's the antenna All right. I as speaking of foldables. What's your second prediction? Well, yeah, there it is Uh, I wasn't tipping a hand on that one, but we'll get the google foldable This has been rumored forever android array supports foldables google and samsung their buddies at this point samsung essentially fixed where os They're like, hey Google's like we give up so the way google and samsung have been working together so closely over the past couple years If they've got any questions, they can talk to samsung Also, sam google got back into the tablet space after leaving it because that's what they do that pixel tablet is I think I saw a while ago. There was somebody's actually selling it before it came out So it's kind of strange But the idea that just this foldable tablet and you open it up It's an actual android tablet and they actually know how to use one Finally because samsung figured it out And you close it up. It's a phone. That's I think this is the time because google's saying okay tablets make sense Foldables make sense And yeah, we can have that almost everything device because foldables are not a new category They don't need to do any of that like they don't need to do all the Focus groups and stuff. They have years and years of their partner's research that they can pour over I almost called The year of the foldable that this is the year foldables. We get our mid-range foldable Do you think google comes out with the mid-range foldable like that was you know my initial one? I was like it's going to be a it's going to be a samsung was going to come out with like a six hundred dollar one I'm like nah Just don't see that happening yet because yeah too early the bigger screen Maybe the flip would be the cheap one, but that's another thing But I think google's got to enter the space to show its partner as well. Hey, yeah, you guys keep doing this because We're doing it. So please do it too Yeah, and you'll you'll need that to happen before the mid-range foldable And you need the mid-range foldable before the apple foldable that'll be really expensive Exactly, and it'll be the best foldable. That's like six years from now. Yeah I'm looking for the foldable watch. I just wanted to just get up on my wrist and just You know have a little thing down the side of my arm. That's that's the future. I want to live in That's kind I had not thought I wanted to just be a whole shirt that I'm wearing that I Watched And when you take it off you fold it Yeah, put it away Marie Kondo if I'd actually try a shirt. Yeah, it's like a snap bracelet, but a shirt. Yeah You're just Arms out Smack it on I do I do love that idea though. I know we're we're getting a little ahead of ourselves from my guys's prediction But this is the idea of like a foldable something that could be a phone or a watch Or a wearable in some other capacity foldable and stretchable at the same time Like a like a pocket square. That's also your computer and your laptop and right things that people do already Let's make it tech very time and age Let's check in in uh, what should we say 10 years about the foldable clothing or 20 and see how we did on those? Yeah, I think we can check in a 10 and then we'll be right in 20. Yeah, good, right? All right, any other thoughts on eye as this prediction? Good ones. Yeah, I like it old Yeah, all right I have decided after years of either being too early on a prediction or just plain wrong That I am going to give up sensible predictions this year Uh, and I'm just going to make ridiculous predictions With the hope that I am accidentally right by being so crazy So my first one is that twitter will be sold by the end of 2023 Musk will retain a stake And I want full credit if it's sold but for bonus points I'm going to call sales force as the company that buys it now. Why is this so outlandish tom? I mean, I think this is probably Have you seen the twitter polls almost a safe fiction really? Yeah No, I given the fact that you know, we're we're we're just rolling into 2023 in a couple weeks The idea is that he's he's degraded the value. He couldn't possibly sell it. He's gonna have to go bankrupt I'm not saying everyone I see is saying bankruptcy and then yeah, then maybe it gets sold I'm saying That he's gonna have new it's gonna have new ownership by the end of the year not bankrupt Like it's gonna be a value play and muska is gonna deal it out and keep a stake So he gets his money back later, but he's not even gonna want to own it anymore So he's gonna sell it at a huge loss just to sell it I don't know that he'll sell it at a loss Because he's gonna keep a stake But he's gonna be able to satisfy his investors that they're either getting their money back or keeping a stake While handing over the problem to somebody else He's completely devalued the service though as it is by it in like He's we're six weeks in at the time. We record this. I think that's perception not reality I think he's gotten I think he'll have numbers that he can point to and say look if uh, if you're They're not pissing off advertisers. Look at these numbers. You'll be able to sell all these ads This is a valuable property He does point to the increase twitter activity overall But I think it's because we all want to jump on the ship and watch it sink from the inside, but Maybe i'm wrong about that Yeah, would you had written this down on the notes tom? Honestly, I thought you meant it would have new ownership by the end of 2022 Not by the end of 2023 Well, we do record these early. So if I'm right, I still get credit for Even if it's 20 no, but I I really don't I I think it'll I think I actually my instinct tells me that this isn't going to happen. He's not going to sell it So that's why I consider it an outlandish Proposition to say he'll sell it and everybody thought sales force was going to buy it Sales force keeps acting like man that twitter boy. That sure is cool. We sure do still love the twitter I feel and that's why I call sales force is the most likely company to just buddy up with him and say Elon this is a headache for you. Just let us take it off your hands. You can keep a steak. Everybody will be happy We'll just take it over. It's going to be fine I wish sales force would take some stuff off my plate. That would be nice I don't have anything uh remotely as interesting as twitter, but if sales force if you're listening Email me. I'll I'll share. I'll sell you whatever i'm working on. You can have it I don't know. I think sales force might have volatile year itself in 2023 You know, which is a different conversation that would make my prediction also ridiculous Is that it and sales force isn't distracted by its own issues and is able to do this So there's another aspect of this for sure Tom All right, so Yeah, go ahead. Oh, no, sorry I I think if you had said matt mullinweb would buy this for four million dollars by the end of the year I probably would have bought in I would that was too much wish fulfillment for me. Yeah, yeah Uh, because I I do like mullinweg. I think he's the I think he's a good CEO Uh, I know he's also probably overvalued amongst the internet cognacente, but I think it's for a reason I think I think he's good at what he does. I think he's shown that yeah all right, I See that that was not silly enough for you So how about this one? Uh, we've seen vinyl make a comeback. We've seen cassettes make a comeback I predict in 2023 floppy disks will make a nostalgia comeback Kids will want to buy software on the save icon really you can you can do that There'll be a nostalgia floppy drives on usbc that you can plug in to play your nostalgia floppy disk software It'll be a whole like cottage industry Akin to the miniature, you know, nintendo entertainment system miniature Atari 2600 Yeah, and combined with vinyl and cassettes boutique floppy disk nostalgia comeback for clarity's sake at these 1.44 megabyte disks Or are you talking about like the the five the really big floppy ones the 5.25 one? Or are you talking about the same capacity? What would be talking about? I'm talking about three and a half inch disks probably But i'm not going to limit it if the five and a quarter's make a comeback I'm still taking credit for See the capacity wise we're staying in the kilobytes to megabytes. Yeah. Yeah, this is going to be just like cassettes and vinyl Like this is for novelty sake. Yeah I'm trying to think of like what you could even store on one of those those big ones like the actual floppy ones I'm really excited. I hope this comes true. I frankly I have a whole bunch of my grandmother's disks I can't play it'll be reissues of old software Okay, so it'll be like, you know civilization one and yeah Dungeons and Dragons the first one and Sim City and all that kind of stuff organ trail. Yeah Yeah, my first question was going to be okay floppy disks I I can see but like how would you use them? But yeah, if there's a cottage industry of hardware that allows you to use them And it's kind of like a fun enthusiast thing Probably, you know largely between like parents and kids being like see this is how we used to do this. It's fun, right? I can I totally see that it goes with the whole 90s era y2k nostalgia wave. Yeah. Yeah Look, I I think there's going to be people building synths out of floppy disks I think I think you're you're not you need to go one step further and people are going to take You know mic up the motors and and you know hook them up So you can play them with it with like MIDI keyboards and Full on synth make that good clickety-clackety. Do you like this? Yeah, take this run with it. I love it. Yeah, cool Yeah, I love over like let's get rid of like the cylinders in our homes and shrink the speakers and all that But also fill our homes with devices to play Huge old-fashioned technology. I'm well, right. It's it's like oh We got rid of the bulky entertainment center and we could listen to everything on our phone But now we're also going to buy a record player. Yeah, yeah, exactly This sounds like the slow cooking movement like, you know, you know how long it took to do anything with floppy disks It's like, okay. I want this. I remember buying I got the windows 95 upgrade I think it was a 13 discs, but they were especially format as they were larger than 1.44 megabytes So i'm just thinking like the hours and hours and hours and okay hitting. Okay. All right Okay, let's start and make a clicking sound Yeah, take it out. Okay And then like, you know two or three hours later you have your upgraded version of your software in a virtual machine somewhere So, I mean the idea of hey son, take a look at how they used to be and be like, I'm out I'm not watching this. This is like two hours. Everything's gonna be so much faster Because it's all going to be running on modern machine machines They're gonna have to have like virtual software that slows things down to make it feel like it's real I mean sillier things have happened I love it. It's a lot of work to get where we started like we could have just had not had the technology of the last 30 years and I'm just saying if anyone if anyone had predicted cassettes would make a comeback three years ago I would have thought they were ridiculous. So I'm just I'm going with it You know, I have friends who carry around just huge You know binders of cassettes just like we used to in the 90s and they carry them around now So yeah 100% Just buy your usb drives now Yeah I want a usbc floppy disk drive. I I think that's really a root of what what this prediction is about There's probably one already. Yeah, they're there I just want the ridiculousness of that to be justified. We just we need to make it a thing That by the time we review these predictions a year from now I want your shelves behind you tom to have nothing but usbc floppy disk drives But there's so many other things he has behind him They are looking to see if I had any floppy drives within reach, but I only have cd roms. So Well, well tom is is looking for those You know, thanks everybody who helped us with our 2023 tech predictions a lot of good stuff I feel like mine were the worst, but you never know That's the fun of this and a year from today We'll all come back and talk about who was right who was wrong and who got 25 right and and the like But thanks everybody who participated. Andrew we'll start with you Let folks know where they can keep up with the rest that you do Sure, you can find me on the various social medias at jonesroy j o n e s r o o y Will you be able to find me on twitter versus mastodon versus post versus the others a year from now? Who knows let's see if sarah was right Otherwise i'm at jonesroy.com And my podcast is called majoring in everything and it's on all the things Good stuff. Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of cool and retro to have your own url these days. There you go. Yeah Just yeah, I print it out onto my floppy disk so I can hand it to you if you want Mine too glad that I uh that I re-upped My subscription for my own website will smith also great to have you as well Good predictions. Let's see how you do a year from now, but until then let folks know where they can find you Thanks sarah. You can find me on uh, brad will made a tech pod and the fos pod which are where all fine podcasts are downloaded Or you can just go to tech pod content downtown and find good links to everything there Well, we're so glad to have you on the show and of course i as act are we've done this We've done this a few times before but so nice to have you For the end of 2022 talking about predictions for 2023 in the meantime, where can people find you? Go to this old nerd.com. It's a show. I do Where I show you how to have the most tech forward home and the life as possible the project is short because your life is short And uh, I don't know what I'll be tackling in 2023 probably some ai or computational audio. Maybe I'll do that Maybe it's my turn Yeah, why not do it? Uh, also uh doing it for us is our patrons. Uh patrons. 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