 Hey everybody, today we are debating whether or not alien abductions happen and we are starting right now. Ladies and gentlemen, thrilled to have you here for another epic debate. I am excited, love all the positivity peeps, this is going to be a lot of fun. So really excited to cover this topic we've never covered before. In particular, whether or not alien abductions happen. So if it's your first time here, want to let you know at modern day debate we are a nonpartisan channel hosting debates on science, politics and religion trying to give everyone their equal shot to make their case on an equal playing field. So it's going to be a lot of fun. Want to let you know folks, for today's debate it's going to be a pretty fluid type of format. It's going to be a flexible five to ten minute opening statement from each side followed by 60 minutes of open discussion and then 30 minutes of Q&A. 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But I was watching a few weeks ago and I saw James was looking for somebody to take the affirmative on this position and you know I was thinking to myself God who is James going to find to take that on well you're looking at him. So I was thinking about it and I don't really I'm not really sure anybody else is going to be able to come on and make the case that needs to be made for this phenomenon because there's a lot of people who just dismiss this phenomenon there's a lot of people that I'm going to call militant skeptics they take their skepticism to the extreme and skepticism is certainly valid and it's certainly good but you don't want to be closed minded and a lot of these militant skeptics have their heads absolutely buried in the sand they don't want to see they don't want to connect dots they're just not going to be convinced by anything but we're going to try to connect some of those dots for them tonight. And if you're open minded I think you'll you'll see that there is genuinely something to this phenomenon there's a lot going on here you know where there's smoke there's fire and there's definitely some fire here so the first thing we have to establish is if alien abduction is a real thing are there aliens out there and that's pretty science is pretty much come to a consensus that there almost certainly are the universe being 13.8 billion years old our galaxy one of the oldest in the Milky Way at 13.5 billion years old formed very very soon after the Big Bang and our earth life has been on earth for about 3.8 billion years so our galaxy has been around for about 10 billion years before life even formed on earth and what you have to understand is life formed on earth pretty quickly almost as soon as it as it happened it went from Kent's Rock to life in not that long and we have to assume if it could happen here if life could arise through purely natural processes that could happen elsewhere and it most likely has many times over and probably billions of years before it happened here okay so they're out there we're not alone now a lot of the objections people might raise as well they'd be so far away they could never actually get here well even if they only were able to travel at half the speed of light if they formed five or six billion years after the galaxy formed that's my cat up there don't pay attention to him but they would have had enough time to cross the galaxy thousands of times and that's one ship one civilization they'd probably build more than one ship so they would be able to uh they'd be able to get here now would they know that we're here uh well we are currently mapping out we know of thousands of potentially habitable planets in the Milky Way we're even finding planets in the Andromeda galaxy that's four billion light years away so a civilization that had a four or five billion year head start on us they would have a good idea of which planets were habitable now would they know that we're actually here again I think they would I think the components of our atmosphere scream out life you know even if they evolved differently than us even if they didn't use oxygen for their metabolism even if they weren't carbon based they would certainly realize that oxygen is a potential metabolic agent and that carbon certainly is something that you could base life on our atmosphere would stick out like a sore thumb to them they would almost certainly want to come and investigate this as a probable area for life and they would be able to and that's even assuming that they didn't have wormhole or any kind of these crazy technologies that's just with standard propulsion given the amount of time they could have gotten here so if they're out there and they would probably know we're here and they could get here do we have any evidence that they are actually here and actually yeah we have an abundance of evidence and I'm not going to talk about evidence from millennia past centuries past when humans didn't really have a good idea of what was in the atmosphere what what types of phenomenon are there I'm going to talk about the modern era and we have thousands of reports of strange craft strange objects in the sky and I know the militant skeptics who are have their ears out of the sand their eyes are buried they're going to be jumping up and down and saying yeah unidentified doesn't mean alien and that's very true it doesn't mean alien but come and let us reason together there's two possible origins for a craft it can either be terrestrial or extraterrestrial right and we have a pretty good idea of terrestrial craft we build them we fly in them we know what they are and these sightings the most credible ones are from college educated military officers who have thousands of hours flying in the sky they have a pretty good idea of the types of phenomenon that are up there and the military radar operators they see these craft on their radar they're potentially hostile they send the jets up to intercept them it could be a potentially hostile craft and the pilots get up there and they can't make heads or tails of these craft they're not just mistaking these craft for you know natural phenomenon this is not ball lightning they show up on radar this is not animals military operated they know what those look like on the radar these are craft that are up there and we've been seeing them for for decades since war war two with the foo fighter phenomenon where both sides saw these strange orbs in the sky following their planes and nobody knew what they were each side thought that they were secret weapons from the other side you know war is over and we still don't really have an answer for them and to just say that all these pilots are all delusional they're all making it up really doesn't make sense to me um so we have all these craft and strange things happen taking place in the sky we have to assume if they were here that they would fly around in craft right makes a lot of sense so going one step further than that do we have actual evidence that they are boots on the ground interacting with humanity and yeah we do for one we have the testimony of thousands of people who claim to have firsthand interactions with these beings from other worlds and even if you dismiss almost all of them as people that are crazy or delusional people who can't differentiate dreams from reality we only need one instance for this to be confirmed one time and the phenomenon is confirmed it's real so you can write most of them off but can you write all of them off I don't think so now also do we have any other evidence of them doing other things on the ground aside from these human interactions which actually make perfect sense if you think about it what would they do when they come to earth well the elements that are on earth are pretty much the same thing you're going to get anywhere else in the galaxy all the chemical elements created in stars it's going to be the same throughout there's only one thing unique about earth that they're going to find and that's earth life that evolved on a totally different planet took totally different path and wouldn't you know that's what they seem to be studying earthly life all these these phenomena these stories all center around what would be normal biological or medical experiments that in advance race would do these these encounters don't have the hallmarks of dreams dreams tend to be uh random and it tends to be your mind putting things together your higher level reasoning that part of the brain is not really fully functional so you get crazy things and dreams and that really doesn't seem to be what we're seeing here and if you listen to these people's testimony they're a lot of them they're very sincere they really believe something is happening to them and even if it's not they deserve to have their claims heard with uh compassion because they're they're going through something that's extremely frightening extremely scary and yeah some of them might do it for attention but I don't think most of them would these people are derided as lunatics as crazy as you know all kinds of things and a lot of them remain anonymous they don't really want to be known they're not attention seekers now moving on from that do we have other evidence of other things that they'd be doing on earth well yeah we do we have the phenomenon known as cattle mutilations which is where farmers in their fields are finding cows typically cows sometimes horses that have had bizarre medical procedures performed on them like the removal of sexual organs draining of blood this is not normal animal predation and this has happened thousands of times in the 1970s the FBI did a a tenure investigation on this phenomena and it didn't result in one arrest they couldn't find one person who is actually out there mutilating these cattle and furthermore it doesn't really make sense if you wanted to do experiments on cattle and you were a human you could buy them on the open market you wouldn't have to go to a random field and abduct someone's cattle and drain their blood why would you do that you could just go buy the cattle and have them in your lab but if you were an alien that makes perfect sense you're just flying by a field hey that's uh whatever they're doing with these animals I don't know but they're doing something and furthermore we have the testimony of military agents throughout the uh the decades military soldiers at particularly at nuclear bases with missiles testing testifying of bizarre events happening in conjunction with the sightings of UFOs near the bases nuclear weapons getting deactivated crazy kind of things and there's still no realistic answer for this aside from intervention from another planet and if you just look at the abduction on its own and you just look at that it could be easy to kind of write these things off as you know far-fetched but when you look at everything in concert it's not really all that far-fetched it actually makes sense and you know I realize a lot of people they'll just never be convinced of it they're never gonna you know be convinced if the aliens landed on the White House they'd be the one saying CGI I'm not gonna convince those people and they'll be the last to realize what's really going on and uh you know we just had just recently the Pentagon confirmed the authenticity of UFO tapes uh that were leaked in the years prior they confirmed the authenticity they don't know what's going on and even now the Pentagon is mulling the potential release of further UFO tapes where am I at James but uh maybe about 20 seconds left I'll just send it there and uh you bet well thank you very much James and now we will kick it over to Fox who argues no these abductions are not happening pleasure to have you as well Fox thanks James and it's a pleasure to be here and thank you so much for having me I'm a very big fan of modern day debates I've been watching it for about almost six months now so I really like the show so thanks James I think you brought some really good points on your side I'm gonna try to share my screen and see if I can share my PowerPoint here let me press this button real quick see okay should be in here see if I can do this real quick internet's being kind of slow let me just second here let's see want to want to take a moment to remind you folks we do have a bonus debate this weekend as it will be secular morality versus christian morality which you are seeing in the bottom right of your screen that will be a tag team debate so that should be a lot of fun and I got to tell you folks looking at the debates coming up this next month I'm like honestly I think you are going to love it and so with that I will transfer it over as Fox is opening up the PowerPoint and Fox the floor is all yours awesome all right let me see if I can press view here but I got a couple questions that I'd like James to answer here so number one why should we take people's word for it are people really reliable sources of information and are they actually telling the truth about what occurred and why do people claim to be abducted and are they to be trusted at all why do we not hear about modern abductions where almost all abduction stories old accounts that took place in the 1900s and why does it seem that no one can recall exactly what happened another question to ask is is there any physical evidence to be found are scars and scoop marks another weird phenomena like weird pieces of metal evidence or just planted hoses can this evidence be verified by high level scientists and scholars why would aliens want to abduct us what is the agenda behind aliens wanting to abduct humans if we are like ants to them then why would they want to study inferior beings are repressed memories evidence of abductions why can't people remember what happened to them without having to go through some kind of hypnosis and why would aliens want to make people forget the experiences so those are just a few of the questions that I have for James today and I'm going to go ahead and just ask a few more that are not in my presentation okay so overall basically what I'm asking you James is can you show me physical evidence of these people actually being abducted like you know objects that were planted in their skin or something like that that is not from this world that has you know elements that are not found on earth do you have actual you know verified you know like radioactive measurements taking at the place of the abduction scene is there any actual physical evidence of you know the UFO being there is there actually pictures of UFO being seen stuff like that that would actually show that the abduction took place instead of people's word for it because don't ever take people's word for stuff because you don't know if they're lying or telling the truth you got to be able to actually verify it so pretty much that's what I'm affirming here is that you got to have physical evidence of the scene it's like a crime scene investigation with police officers you got to be able to find actual proof so you got to go to the scene and see okay is there a radioactive you know measurements that we can measure is there actual proof that that this person was abducted at all is there any kind of weird marks on his skin is there you know actual elements that you can extract from the scene is are there any pieces of the ship are there any animals that were you know killed or stuff like that and I do actually find I don't mutilation to be very interesting I don't think there's anything that can explain that away but I don't think it is actual evidence for alien abductions a lot of crop circles have been found out to be hoaxes made by actual people with like words and they push the boards down on the corn that's actually been proven to be hoaxes a lot of UFO sightings are actually hoaxes some of them are actually probably extra terrestrial craft but it's hard to verify that I know a lot of military people have come out and said that they've seen objects and that's definitely verified believe what the Navy says believe what but the government says because if they're seeing things then yeah there has to be something that is unusual I believe the majority of craft though are reversed engineered craft from the government like the TR 3D's people keep seeing around that are like triangular craft in the sky a lot of those are probably government craft actually a lot of people a lot of whistleblowers have came out and said that the government has been reverse engineering craft since like the 70s and 80s which is crazy so I believe most of the sightings that people see are probably our own craft some of them are probably extra terrestrial craft but it's hard to verify that I I'm definitely a firm believer of aliens myself I actually am an ancient astronaut theorist I believe that they came thousands years ago and influenced our societies and I think that they guided human beings in the past and I think they may have abducted people in the past but I don't believe in modern day abductions because there's just a lack of evidence I believe that there's a lot of evidence for the past but for you know where we are today I don't see a lot of evidence for abductions uh James where uh you're Maya on the time maybe about four minutes okay um but yeah uh James if you could show me some proof for that um I would be totally open to changing my mind if there's enough evidence to show but as far as I am right now my position is no a firm no I just don't see enough evidence of abductions so that's my position and I think that's it for me James gotcha and I think we're ready for open thanks so much we will kick into the open dialogue want to let you know I put the links or emails of the speakers down in the description box so if you would like to hear more or contact them you can and with that thanks so much gentlemen the floor is all yours can you hear me I'm is my mic on yep okay so you brought up a lot of points in that and the first thing I I'd want to address is most of your points relate to questions for evidence and what I'm going to say is most conspiracy theorists have to postulate they have to insinuate that there's evidence being covered up like Ken Hoven would have to insinuate that the 15-foot giant skeletons are being concealed by scientists they're not you know releasing that information but we don't have to in this case we know everybody knows the evidence is being suppressed it's being suppressed by the military and by governments all around the world uh Jimmy Carter tried to get it released Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton tried a few times to get evidence released and they were all rebuffed by the deep state by the people in the military industrial complex by these intelligence agencies who are resistant to releasing what they know now if if they don't have anything if this is a nothing burger why don't they just come out with it why this veil of secrecy and I would say I'm you're familiar with the the footage that the Pentagon just about a month and a half two months ago affirmed the authenticity of and yes Nevada Senator Harry Reid who was in the Senate for 30 years he was Senate Majority Leader one of the most powerful politicians in Washington who has been briefed on this and he said this is just the tip of the iceberg this is just scratching the surface for what the government has as far as evidence so a lot of it is being suppressed we don't really know what they have now as far as physical evidence that that we do have people claiming that objects have been removed from their body there's no real reason that we would find elements in those that were not on earth we would assume that stars synthesize elements the same everywhere it'd be you'd expect to find the same elements and you know this this doesn't hinge on just one or two little things it's a lot of pieces to a very complicated puzzle and you know why should we believe these people have you listened to their to their stories do you find them to be sincere a lot of them I just feel like it is just not it doesn't feel sincere to me I've actually watched the documentary on Netflix I don't know if you've heard about but it's the Stan Romanek story it happened about 2005 to 2004 ish he was in Colorado I believe he saw UFO and then he asserts that UFO came and abducted him one night and then they just kept visiting him over and over again and then eventually it abducted his neighbor and they actually had like hybrid children with the aliens and he asserts that he saw them outside their windows and stuff like that and to be honest it's pretty hard to believe that stuff I would have serious doubts about something like that myself that is quite a bit more bizarre than the generic people being abducted for medical or biological research and again that's the only really unique thing about earth is human life on earth particularly human life the most advanced life seems like that'd be something that they would be interested in but it's it's interesting that you affirm that they are you believe that they're here you're just not sold on the whole concept of yeah actually doing research on human beings yeah I'm just I'm not completely sold on them you know abducting people and taking them in their ships for research because I don't see the real reason why they would want to mess with us and take the time why would they come all across the galaxy to come and what makes us special that they'd want to come and see us you know I'm saying why would they waste their time if they're so much more superior than us human beings why would they want to waste our time with us that's my question human beings we waste a lot of time studying uh you mentioned ants they're they're biologists who study ants and they get nice government grants to study the mating habits of flies I don't know what kind of value that is scientifically but it uh it gives somebody a job you know um and we are the most advanced form of life on this planet and I'm not sold on the ancient ancient astronaut I don't know how long they've been here how long they've been monitoring um claims from the distant past are a lot harder to verify because they had such limited knowledge of the atmosphere and the phenomena that we now know that we can't explain today they had no clue about any of that so I think modern sightings have a much more air of credibility because we understand things a lot better than than they did in the past I'm I'm not complete I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that part because actually a lot of ancient civilizations have been proven to actually have a lot better technology than we thought like the pyramids were probably actually used for like a energy grid so stuff like that is actually pretty interesting um a lot of the ancient Egyptians were very advanced actually um a lot of ancient civilizations like the Mayans were pretty advanced they may not be as advanced as we are today but they were pretty close um and they definitely could decipher what they saw I believe um whether or not there are objections today I don't think so um there could be I could be wrong but I think if there are the government is keeping it so tight and so tight that you know and so secret that we want to be able to know really what's going on if there truly are negotiations between you know humans and aliens behind the government behind the scenes in the deep state and you know you know with the president and all that then we would never know about it unless you know a whistleblower comes out when they're retired and start talking about you know what's going on that we probably wouldn't know anything uh just my opinion those stories like that they go all over the place they go right left up and down what's you what what's different about the abduction stories is they they're all pretty straightforward um and the claims that they're making are not not really so far-fetched it's to me it's a lot more believable to think that they would be doing medical scientific research than somebody coming forward and saying president Eisenhower signed a treaty and all all all all this ridiculous uh things like that it seems a lot more straightforward that the government really doesn't know a whole lot more about this phenomenon than that it's happening that there I don't believe they're in contact with them I don't believe that they fully understand it but they definitely know that it's there and they're definitely worried about it it's definitely something that's on their radar yeah I think um I kind of have to agree with that maybe to a degree I don't know how deep the government goes with it I don't know how much they actually know but based on what we've seen with the Navy and you know with all the different UFO sightings they probably don't know too much um they may know more than they're letting on to it just it's hard to tell um I don't think there's actual contact with the the beings I don't know it's hard to know uh because if they really did recover bodies at Roswell then I wouldn't be too surprised if they are in contact it just really depends if they did or not uh go ahead yeah it really just depends um if they really did to recover stuff and they covered it up afterwards which they said it was a weather balloon later um and a lot of those you know crashes of UFOs they covered up saying oh it was you know a weather balloon or it was a plane or something like that but I believe there's probably more than they're letting on to well um as far as Roswell in the 1980s the government came out and that they claimed that oh it wasn't a weather balloon it was a super top secret uh program to monitor Soviet new nuclear test uh super duper maxi extreme ultra secret balloon that they had up there and apparently this super secret balloon it fell out of the sky and nobody noticed uh till three days the sheriff called the Air Force base said hey we found this unusual thing and then the Air Force said oh hey where's that top secret super secret balloon up there oh uh we don't know where it is well you know to me that's not a very believable explanation exactly what happened at Roswell we won't really know until they release everything yeah we went out the the official story just it doesn't make a lot of sense to me have you um heard of what's gone on with bobbles are have you watched that documentary it's actually very interesting the uh the guy who claimed he worked at area 51 yeah he claimed to work that area 51 and he worked on reverse engineer craft um i think that's very credible um i know a lot of people think he's whack and crazy but i think he is pretty spot on because he discovered an element like 20 years before they actually before scientists actually found out about it yeah i'm not sure we pardon my interruption but we can definitely delve into that and at one point that i remember coming up that i thought was really interesting just before we move on too far is the alleged cattle ah the cattle relations yeah you could cattle lesions or kind of cutting into cattle or animals like that so i'm kind of curious on both foxes response regarding those as well as James's kind of defense if you had a word on those fox okay yeah um my perspective is that it's kind of hard to tell um it's kind of an unknown source of what's going on with those i believe probably people um i don't think why would aliens want to mutilate cows that doesn't make a lot of sense if they're studying different parts of the cow why would they want to do that it just doesn't make a lot of sense why would they take the genitals from cows and and you know just keep them that it doesn't make a lot of sense to me oh james i think you're still on mute in zoom can you hear me yep no we can okay well they're they're obviously doing a lot of things that we don't fully understand and you know it's not that big of a stretch if you think that they could be doing this to the cattle that they also might want to be doing some research on people exactly what they're doing why they're draining the blood well in humans they seem to be very interested in the reproductive system on human genetics human dna what exactly they're doing with that i don't know what they're doing with the cow blood maybe they drink it i don't know what they're doing with it maybe they're using them the cows as a food source maybe that tastes good to them i don't really know but it seems very bizarre for human activity they do find cattle mutilated by humans at times for cults and you know people having way too much to drink and just go out and mess up a cow i don't know yeah it's probably a cult thing it's probably like animal sacrifice and a lot of things in the bible talk about animal sacrifice i'm not a christian i'm an atheist myself but a lot of ancient books describe you know people giving you know sacrifices of goats and rams and cows to god and all that so it could be just a cult thing going on i don't know it could be an unknown thing i have i can't you know claim for sure whether it is just people doing it or you know some other phenomenon going on because i don't know the answer for sure but i would say it's probably a cult thing that they do to probably take the blood or you know the different parts of the cow it's probably a cult ceremony thing i don't know for sure though okay so why that doesn't make sense to me is when humans do something like that to a cow you see a bullet wound you see an obvious reason something that killed the cow in these mutilations you don't really have that there's no obvious way that the cow was killed and a lot of times these scenes are very clean there's not pools of blood all over the place the scenes are very actually immaculate so it seems like what's happening is this animal is being taken somewhere else to have their blood drained and these parts removed and then the animals being retransplanted to back to the pasture where they came from uh to think that humans would do something like that uh it really defies what do they have helicopters out there i mean this would be a huge operation to move these cattle do the procedure and then and then bring them back i mean from the alien perspective why would you want a rotting dead cow on your ship take the blood whatever you're doing with it and dump the cow out out the ship that makes a lot more sense to me than uh than some kind of then contact is a very strange phenomena i can't give you a yes or no on whether this is you know for sure humans um but i would definitely assert that it's probably not extraterrestrial beings you know uh hovering in crafts and just taking a cow and then dropping it off i don't it just seems kind of weird to me i'm open-minded at the same time if it is that i could be wrong but it just it seems very odd that they would just take cows you know when they could choose humans over cows it doesn't make a lot of sense to me well maybe maybe like us they hold us in a slightly higher regard because we are the more advanced species on the planet and maybe they value our life a little bit more than the life of a cow they don't necessarily kill us they perform these procedures on us what exactly what they're doing who knows um but there's one other thing i wanted to bring up and you know due to the limited knowledge we have of this phenomenon it's entirely conceivable that these could actually be time travelers from another time they could actually be humans evolved two or three billion years from now coming back in time for who knows what for but you know that is a possibility they don't necessarily have to come from uh Alpha Centauri or i've heard that position before um where people think they might be time travelers um which i mean i guess it could be possible um but it is odd thing to think about if they are time travelers um i don't know it just seems kind of odd to me um i feel like it's more um believable if they came from a solar system nearby definitely but it's it is an angle that you had that you can't rule out you have to consider that it could be you know we don't really understand their true nature um are there more than one race we certainly get testimony from people claiming different races as far as i know um from what the research i've done that there are quite a few different races i've heard of the dracos the reptilians uh the nords the uh there's people like the pleidians um there's the grays quite a few different types there's like over 20 different species at least that i've heard from witnesses um which is really interesting and they come from different uh parts of the galaxy i've even heard that uh there's a theory where reptilians could be evolved from dinosaurs like some of the dinosaurs actually came uh and survived underground which is an interesting theory i'm not saying that that's true but it's an interesting theory nonetheless that that that's possible that we've not been alone this whole time on earth that there's actually other beings that are very smart underground who knows if that's true i don't know but from what i've heard from people it sounds very interesting it's very interesting um you know like we know so little about this phenomena we're just learning about it uh we could go anywhere but the important thing is to recognize that there is something here there is something going on there's a lot of there's a lot of smoke we don't know exactly where the fire is coming from but there's definitely a lot of smoke and i'm i'm glad that you're not one of these militant skeptics who just buries their head in the sand and refuses to you know even consider the possibilities here yeah james i'm completely open to uh abductions i just don't have enough like evidence to convince me yet if i find that smoking gun proof like okay you know there's no way uh that there's not abductions then i will definitely change my mind but i have yet to see something that will you know change my mind but i'm definitely open to the idea of abductions in modern day i just don't believe it at this moment gotcha and with that do want to say folks if you have any questions we will probably go into the q&a fairly quickly as would it be fair to say you guys still don't actually agree even though you're willing to kind of be charitable or kind of concede some things to the other side yeah i don't completely agree with james i agree with him on some things like i definitely believe in aliens i definitely believe that they've been visiting us but i don't think that they've been abducting people in modern day times gotcha and while i would say we can't conclusively prove beyond any doubt that that's happening that it certainly seems to make sense that they would want to do something like that and if they're here you know it's not that much of a stretch to believe at least one of the people again you can dismiss 99 of them as crazy hallucinating uh or whatever we only need one of them to be rational and telling the truth and then it's a thing so you know that's that's what i would say on that yeah i'm on the opposite end where i'm like it i can't say for sure that there's not abductions going on but i believe that there's not so that's my position where i think that i definitely could be wrong i definitely could be but my position is no i don't think there's modern abductions i do think that they probably occurred in the past but i'm not seeing a lot of evidence where people are seeing you know like being being dubbed like star trek uh you know where people are describing that they've been you know put in this craft and that they've seen you know different things in the craft and all that i just it's hard to believe that stuff you know gotcha oh james i think you're on you it is hard to believe but when you rule out other rational when you've ruled out everything else then you have to consider that what's left over as irrational as it may seem probably has a good deal of credence to it again we can't conclusively prove this if we could we wouldn't be here discussing it but it definitely is a valid phenomenon it definitely is something these people deserve a lot of them aren't attention seekers they've just gone through something and it terrifies them i how long have you been interested in yes um so i'm actually only 21 but i've been interested in alien since who since i was like 16 or 17 so at least four or five years now and i've been researching it for a while have you ever seen the moopon files those are actually really interesting it has a lot of accounts on what happened with different you know people seeing crafts and stuff and it's actually government verified accounts of these people seeing craft and stuff in the past those are pretty pretty interesting you should check it out if you haven't watched the moopon file show definitely hey james i think you're muted i definitely i've seen some of it i've seen some of it i haven't seen all the moopon files but um it's something i'll i'm definitely willing to take a look at you know i uh i started following this when i was uh i'm a little bit older than you i'm 37 but growing up in the late 80s early 90s i remember even being a kid seeing unsolved mysteries on uh tv and there was a show in the early 90s called sightings and i remember being young and that scared the crap out of me that would that would make my spine just tingle but for whatever reason i couldn't look away from it it i i wasn't able to bury my head in the sand and i was drawn to it and i've never had any type of experience i've never seen anything that i would say is a UFO or you know had any type of encounters like this but i definitely think we should believe and trust the people who are saying that because a lot of them are sincere whether or not it's uh you know the exact nature of it gotcha yeah if i were to see something i would change my mind probably gotcha and really do appreciate all of your questions so what we have here is we're gonna jump into the q and a want to let you know folks i forgot given that we're using restream if you are watching us on one of our other platforms such as dlive or twitter or facebook or there's one more i can just warn uh let's see on twitch want to let you know that our kind of our main platform our hangout here that i actually take the questions from the live chat from are on youtube and so just want to let you know that as we jump into it and so thanks so much for your question this first one coming in from iphone musings thank you for your super sticker you're i appreciate that support it really does mean a lot rory borkman thank you for your question ask two good debaters tonight hit that 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this is adam albillia appreciate it ask for james why does it seem like all alien footage we're taken using a refrigerator for a camera cameras are better tools for that specific usage sassy james what do you have in response why is it that it's not usually the the best kind of camera stuff they seem to be suggesting right um and that's pretty simple uh these aliens they typically don't fly low in the atmosphere they typically fly 30 40 50 000 feet where they're being intercepted and encountering military pilots and that footage is the footage that is probably a lot better than what we're seeing from the ground and that's the footage that is top secret we don't have access to all of it and we are getting slowly getting access to some of it but like senator reed said we've just seen the tip of the iceberg there's a lot more that we haven't seen so stay tuned it could be coming out literally any day now gotcha and i did see yeah earlier today like maybe an hour before this this debate started ufo's was trending on twitter so that's interesting i saw that there might be an announcement in the next few days so that is really interesting and yeah i think it's back in march when they let out was it back in march or maybe april when there was march or april yeah so definitely interesting and thanks for when the pandemic hit yeah when the pandemic hit that's when they dumped it so that's when they released it because yeah they're trying to make sure that you know they let things out very slowly so people don't pay attention to it because everybody's focused on the pandemic so they're not gonna focus on that as much i mean people might go out and buy all the toilet paper again if there was a uh that's confirmed that there's aliens so you never know i watched signs the other day just yesterday i got i was pooped and i was like i can't work anymore i watched signs really good alien movie if you haven't seen it i think it's almost 20 years old it's got to be at least 15 years old but it's really good and so hope you guys check that out it's like at this deep meaning in which these things that you think don't have meaning end up having this like they're imbued with these deeper meanings that you find out later so it's good if you haven't seen it but yeah i'm uh i am intrigued by that and i'm curious in the live chat if you guys would like to let us know if you press one for yes that you believe there are aliens two for no you do not believe there are aliens i'm kind of curious to see your guys's responses my guess before we start seeing responses in the live chat is that most people would say one and that's partly because of the demographic of our channel but i think it's probably the case too i haven't seen any surveys of like americans more broadly but i would guess most would say yes i would think it would be the opposite people tend to be skeptical on this channel so well that's true i i do think that for there is a skepticism about abductions i don't think there's i would guess most people say there are aliens whether or not they've made it to earth or then also gone the extra mile of abducting people once they got here i don't know if they i think that's where they would those last two steps they would be like i don't know but yeah i think james uh both james i think it's about five percent of people believe in abductions and then i believe the majority of people probably believe that there's life out there but they don't believe that we've had any contact with them and then probably a little bit less people believe that they've actually come to earth that's what i would guess a little bit well let me let me just say uh you can deny it all you want but when the aliens are coming for you and you're telling them you don't believe they exist uh they're not going to care so gotcha and we do have a question from let me see if i have oh pete barube thanks for your question said this i think it's for james saying with the technology that aliens have rather than studying them like up close like cutting into cattle or whatever it is or abducting people from their rooms couldn't they scan these things from a distance like couldn't they like don't you think they'd have the advanced science to like learn about them from a distance it's a good question well i mean uh we understand the anatomy of uh animals pretty well but we still dissect them in biology classes all over the country uh all over the world as a matter of fact we know what's in there but we still open them up just as a demonstration purpose for students people who are learning about anatomy and biology that could be something going on here maybe this is a final exam for alien biologist i mean we just don't know uh there's there's so much that that could be going on here that you know yeah super interesting and thanks so much we appreciate this next question which comes in from tusk beatbox good to see you again tusk says why would aliens have a reason to come here and interact with us so long ago and yet no reason to come visit us now so i think this is for fox given that fox you said maybe that aliens visited in the past but not now yeah that's a good question um i think that's a that's a good question i don't know exactly how to answer that but i would probably say that they probably did most of their surveying back then um i don't know it's it's like that's a good that's a really good question i would have to say i don't know exactly how to answer that because i don't know if they would i don't know why they wouldn't come back now but uh there's just not a whole lot of evidence for them being here right now besides sightings got show if i could make a quick response to that i would just say that um the modern phenomena started really ramped up after world war two you know with the fu fighters and particularly after the nuclear testing and these being seem to be very interested in our nuclear capabilities our nuclear silos our testing so i think that is kind of what they probably knew we were here but i think that's what blew us back onto their radar and it's since then we've had all this increase in interaction particularly in the 40s late 40s i've heard about that i've heard about that james um where did you hear about where they shut down the power plant um and then the military personnel were like what the heck is going on you know what is going on it's happened several times i think they don't want us to blow up the planet i think that that's what they don't want us to do i think they're afraid of us blowing up the plant or even the you know other planets in the system i think they're afraid of what nuclear weapons are capable of um and did you hear about what the one side i do have to i do it just to get through as many questions as we possibly can we do have a number of other ones go ahead thanks for your question part two this one is from ryan who says project blue team or i'm sorry project blue beam fake alien invasion all abductions are senile people or real encounters with demons ryan coming in strong so what are your thoughts james w i guess given that they i'm not sure what project blue beam is do you know what that well i've heard of that i i've heard of it too i'm not super familiar with it but um i would just say we have good reason to believe that there's aliens out there life evolved on earth therefore it could evolve elsewhere we have no knowledge about demons or deities we have there's no reason to think that that is a real actual phenomenon and uh but there's every reason in the world to think that uh life on other planets exists yeah i'm in agreement with james here um i don't believe in demons myself or spirits um some people do i know christians do um but i just believe in aliens and that life evolved on other planets because i mean that's totally believable there's billions and billions of planets in you know these huge galaxies in our universe so and frustrated atheist has words for you fox regarding that okay the no wasn't an actual no next time can we get an actual no i would volunteer well okay yeah i got a response to that well to to be fair that i mean it's true that fox does believe in aliens and maybe even that they've like yes uh kind of skimmed earth but not that they've abducted or yeah anybody i don't believe that they probed or abducted anybody i do believe that they may have you know come over and skimmed over people like people i've seen sightings and stuff but i don't believe any like flat earth aussie rasko maybe but otherwise oh my goodness generally no flat earth rossie rasko we saw you in the live chat hope you're well oh man let's see we have another question this one comes in from samuel powell thanks for your question you guys remember i was like a week or two ago i said samuel i got your letter it was that p o box i put it in the description for like a year and samuel thanks so much for your encouraging letter that's the only letter i've gotten so it meant a lot and i appreciate you being so friendly and encouraging so we are stoked to have your samuel and stoked to read your question says for the speakers how can we i mean granting that there are alien abductions would there be ways that a person could defend against them or does this just seem like there's give if the technology is that far ahead are you just basically in the hands of fate well if they were happening i feel like you're kind of just you know subject to that happening especially if the stories are true what people have say have said where they feel this weight on them and that they can't move during an abduction which i don't believe myself but if that is something that happens say it did happen how would you escape that that would be pretty hard to escape james where are you what do you think i couldn't really think of anything that would be a a good way to defend against that odds are anything we would we would do they'd be able to uh to defeat but you know well in the movie signs go ahead sorry i didn't mean to interrupt you buddy i i said i you could certainly try but i would be doubtful it'd be very effective thank you and i'm obsessed with the movie signs i any movie that's like prior to 2010 i'm like really in two if you guys ever seen twister with bill paxton okay we'll talk about that later pete beru thanks for your question says how come we have not detected the ship that aliens use it would have to have a massive power signature to cross the universe or galaxy actually what a lot of people have theorized like einstein and a lot of other mathematicians is that the way that ufo's would actually be able to or craft spacecraft would be able to cross through and get to you know different other planets would be through portals and spacetime so like it would bend space and reality it's just a concept it's not really proven but it's like time travel at really faster than light speeds that they be able to accomplish very easily so they'd be able to get to other planets in say seconds really fast pretty much instantaneously i would say uh strength theory postulates that there's up to 10 different dimensions and you know being billions of years more advanced than us they'd obviously have a lot more knowledge of that and they would be able to we would have no ability to perceive anything in a higher dimension you know such as their communication you know why don't we hear them communicating well obviously they have communication systems that are a lot more advanced than our you know electromagnetic radiation they obviously use something different yeah they they obviously operated a higher level than we do so it makes sense that we wouldn't be able to detect what they're doing and how they get here because they're you know a lot further you know developed than we are i mean they would come and uh you know tell us yes we've heard nickel back please stop playing it we don't want to hear that crap anymore gotcha i don't like nickel back a little and thanks for your let's see question from Dave Dave Langer i don't know if i've pronounced this right although i've seen you around for so long i you don't ask questions very often but Dave Langer thanks for your question says if you want a good alien movie have you seen a rival from 2016 with Amy Adams no i have not i i need to watch more UFO movies man i need to watch close encounters of the third kind and signs i'm i'm way behind i believe i have seen that movie if i'm thinking of that would that's the movie where the ship lands and the they're communicating with these beings through they're they have a strange language we're able to decipher and you know then the military tries to blow the aliens up and they don't take i think i have seen that movie and it was definitely a good movie gotcha and Ziggy Zach thanks for your question said no way that aliens know we are here the Milky Way is just too big so kind of a an idea of like can't be two places at once so much space to explore what do you think well the Milky Way is about 100,000 light years in diameter and even if say the fastest they were able to travel would be 50% light speed obviously they could probably go much faster than that in a billion billions of years ahead of us they sort of had time to crisscross the galaxy thousands of times and that's assuming they don't have any type of propulsion that is uh you know non-standard that's not just pushing the craft along wormholes uh you know what Noah was saying what Fox was saying with the uh you know portals and you know they would be able to get here yeah i agree with James here i mean think about the time that the universe started about what 13.5 billion years ago and then to before even earth that's a huge gap of time that they'd be able to develop you know as a civilization each you know different alien civilization have billions and billions of years ahead of us there's absolutely you know positively lots of ways they could have you know traveled across the galaxy easily gotcha i missed a question want to read this uh let's see go ahead thanks for your question this just came in there it is Roy Stigall thanks for your question said after last night i am convinced music analyst is an alien don't leave us again James i had heard last night was nuts of um all i i think converse told me he sent me in a text i'm trying to remember what he said he just said oh i think he said it was it was insane on epic proportions i think those he said it was an epic case of insanity so i don't know what happened last night but i'm glad everybody barely survived it it sounds like but so yeah thanks for that and let's see another question this one comes in from rory so sorry about that i think i you had said i missed your question let me uh just load it up and i will ask it right now so appreciate your patience rory asks do the guys believe bob lasar am i pronouncing that right or is it laser bob lasar i believe it's bob lasar and yes i do believe bob lasar is uh 100 percent telling the truth i believe that he definitely worked on a reverse engineer craft um and i think that he has a very um i think he's very accountable i think he has uh very good information and i think that people should believe in his story because it's very interesting i um i'm on the fence about him you know uh these abduction accounts a lot of them these people are not attention seekers someone like lasar could he be doing this for attention yeah he certainly could be does his information sound uh you know pretty grandiose yeah it does but i guess anybody who did come forward would probably sound that way so you know we have to at least hold open the possibility that what he's saying could be true until it's shown to be not true got sure thank you for that i appreciate it once that we do have more questions i just want to i also have to ask somebody had brought up the name mcwest if anybody knows mcwest we're apparently supposed to reach out to them as they allegedly know a few abductees that's what i think eric dubai or dubay said so thanks for letting us know about eric and next thanks for your question from amy newman good to see you amy says questions for both debaters why do aliens seem to be playing hide and seek why not just show up and find a form of communication with us that's a good question um i think the the answer is probably the scenes with the government and they the government doesn't want people to have a mass panic because back in i don't know i think it was the 60s they had this uh podcast um on the radio where it was you know it was a fake podcast but uh the guy announced that there was yeah it was that um they announced that there was uh aliens of or visiting earth and everybody just went crazy um so if they were to do that today i think everybody would just erupt in mass panic i think they have to let things out very slowly like they did with the navy video um otherwise people are just going to have a lot of panic um but yeah i don't know exactly why the aliens would not show themselves to everybody i think mostly for mass panic probably um but i mean it would ultimately be up to them but i feel like that's probably the best uh answer gotcha well i i would say like i said i don't delve too much into the the stories of because then you have to judge credit this one credible is that one credible uh it's enough to say that there is something there without necessarily making a judgment on each person but having said that there are people who claim that there's warring factions in the alien community and that the the ones doing the abductions are the more malevolent ones there they have a negative intent towards humanity and the other ones are working against them i don't know about all that like i said but uh it would seem like they don't feel like we're ready for contact yet and like uh fox said we're probably not most of us uh you know that's why they're slowly releasing things out to minimize the catastrophe god yeah they're probably just trying to get trying to get through as many questions as possible i hate to interrupt but just uh sorry g1 soundwave thanks for your question said ask them about the statement from the pentagon today where they confirmed they have a craft that was not made on this world is that what you guys read well you guys read that i heard yesterday they were mulling up making an announcement that i don't know specifically what it was but i'm gonna have to look into that more i have not looked into it but just a second james back to that one topic for just a little bit um i do believe that there could be more to that there could be warring factions who knows um i'm not sure but i have heard a lot of stories about that and yeah you're i think i think james is right i think that uh it could be just that um they're not ready to show themselves to us yet they probably think we're not developed enough yet that's my uh finish there thanks so much and james if you want to add something and then i've got another super chat from factionalist go ahead james well i just wanted to like said we have to analyze what came out from the pentagon but it seems in keeping that they're slowly waking people up to this phenomena in a way that causes the least amount of panic possible gotcha and thanks factionalist network for your question said or you could say critique says these guys are very liberal with the word theory thanks you're throwing it around loosely guys what are your thoughts for factionalist network aka cas good to see a cas okay well um i'll rebuttal with um we can't know for sure nothing is final here um like we're not a hundred percent sure but um i do believe that that aliens are observing us i do believe that they've been here for a long time um whether or not i'm not a hundred percent sure but that's why it's just a theory it's not confirmed but i definitely believe that there are aliens here and i definitely believe that they are observing us i don't think they're abducting us but i do think that they're observing us from a distance well it sounds like this is one of those militant skeptics i was talking about with their head buried and that they refuse to connect the dots they think all these phenomenon are all just coincidence they're all um they're all not connected but uh i think it's very reasonable to say to propose a theory that connects them all and says go ahead and disprove this and they haven't been able to uh disprove it got you exactly they want to say thank you so much for this next question coming in from i think folks let me know if i'm wrong about this i think i've gotten all the questions if i missed anybody's question ping me just shoot me tag me and i will definitely ask your question and so want to give you a reminder folks that both of the speakers are linked in the description so that way if you're listening and you're like i like that i want to hear more you can either click their link or james w has put his email down there so that flat earth rotha asi rasko you can send him pictures of yourself so that should be really cool don't really look at james's face bro of music okay so don't worry uh or cat videos send me cat videos yes that's true flat earth rossi don't really send him pictures man okay so hey james if you need somebody to debate nathan i'm good you got it unfortunately nathan tomson yeah nathan tomson we have no hard feelings for nathan however i don't know if nathan's going to be back anytime soon nathan sent me a message the other day that he was displeased about i had two folks so if you're a flat earth rotha in the audience and you're like james you're like being hard on the flat earthers i was it's not because he was a flat earther it's because he was being he was being frankly kind of harassing somebody and it was like hey same procedure will give you a warning and if you keep going we've got a got a butch uh so no hard feelings who knows maybe nathan will change his mind and uh want to reconcile but i don't see that happening soon to be honest so thank you folks for being with us just gonna do one last scan for questions and so yes we will do this topic again it'd be a lot of fun we got positive feedback in the chat and also yeah feel free to the folks on your way out to hit that like button if you felt like this was time well spent considering the different hypotheses the different ideas regarding ufo's abductions and all that good stuff and do keep an eye on the news because it does i did read that as well when it was trending on twitter that there might be something coming on the news in the next several days that it say basically says that bob lasar if i understand the story right bob lasar said hey i this is like i think it former nasa person nathan thompson wouldn't like him uh former nasa person said that aliens that they had seen i think it was that they had he said that there seemed to be there seems to be evidence of vehicles from not made on this world and in addition there were people saying that there's something that's going to come out soon that's going to kind of corroborate what he said so yeah i've actually heard that even buzz aldrin and some of the astronauts that visited the moon have seen uh ufo's while they were up there edgar michel he was a huge believer super interesting that's fat wait wait and uh for nate oh go ahead i was gonna say for for nathan uh you know next time you're outside and you hear that gong sound that's one of the ufo's hitting the dome nathan we hope you're well buddy no hard feelings we try to it lies too short folks you know the the truth is you might think that if there's somebody in your life that maybe sends you a message that doesn't seem happy you might think like i'm angry and you might think i'm gonna hold a grudge believe me it's not good for you to hold a grudge you'll be better off just letting it go it's not healthy to hold on to those those grudges of that anger and hey james yes come on here and make us globetarts look good what did it crack the dome i don't know i think he would postulate i think he would say the dome is unbreakable it's uh oh yeah that's where the rockets go up and they they just disintegrate when they hit the dome we'll see if we can get them get them on to debate this topic so citrifiedo last minute uh super chat says it if was definite if it was definite that 100 of people new aliens existed what would be humanities next move if they were unable to communicate i don't know what you mean if if they're saying if humans could not communicate with the aliens or vice versa well i would say if they're so much more advanced than us they would probably have figured out some type of way to communicate with us so the ball would be in their court as far as that goes we yeah i feel like yeah i feel like they would have already found a way to communicate if yeah i don't think that would be possible um in fact have you uh james have you heard of the crop circles um where they um they uh UFOs use code uh to give us a message back that's actually very interesting i've seen lots of crops some of them are just geometric some of them look like they have writing i know there's some people that go out and do them but it seems like an awful lot of work to be out there in those fields all that time yeah and i don't think they're gaining much from it i think some of them are real but they're even my new format are real we most likely we next want to say folks thanks so much for your questions it has been a true pleasure it's kind of like a family like tioga is like my little sister in the chat that i have to make fun of and flat earth aussie rasko i've just been talking about flat earth i'm obsessing with him but you know he's like kind of like the dad in the group or you know you know so like james w and fox call him daddy and then there's also i'm i'm kidding they don't okay so you have the best trolls james you have the best trolls is me who calls him daddy but then like kind of like adam my brother is like all sorts of people appreciate you folks so we really do appreciate you hanging out with us want to let you know it's always a pleasure we'll be back sunday afternoon eastern daytime so if you're one of our european friends you can catch us that evening sunday evening so with that i want to say thanks so much to our guests fox and james w we really do appreciate you guys being here thank you james good thank you james i would love to come back something no problem hey james um email me man i'd love to talk more i would love you you got your link in the uh description yeah the description yeah email me i'd love to talk more about this that all right sounds good thank you for your time thanks everybody for watching thank you guys so with that folks appreciate it keep zipping out the reasonable from the 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