 So we did 7.33 p.m. on Tuesday, June 1st, 2021. I'd like to call this meeting of the Arlington Zoning Board of Appeals to order. Good evening, my name is Christian Klein. I confirm all members and anticipated officials are present, members of the Zoning Board of Appeals, Roger Dupont. Here. Patrick Hanlon. Here. Kevin Mills. Here. Stephen Redlack. Here. And Shauna Work, I know is traveling this evening, won't be able to join us. And Mr. Ford is running a few minutes late, but he'll be joining us on a route. Officials here on behalf of the town, Rick Valerelli. Here. And Vincent Lee. Here. And Kelly Lanema. Here. Thank you all for being here. Outside consultants for the board, Paul Haverty. Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Good evening, Paul. Marty Novra from Beta Group. Mr. Chair, I am here also with Bill McGrath, P.E. Civil, Laura Krause and Tyler DeRuda. Wonderful. You all can join us. And then appearing applicant for 1165R Mass App, Mary Wynne Stanley O'Connor. I'm here, Mr. Chairman. Good to see you. And I believe I saw five others from your various consultants on board as well. Yes, if you want. Daniel Sinclair, Julia Mayrak, Paul Boucher, Kyle Zick, the landscape architect, Brian Zamolka, Randy Marin, Joel Bargman and Andy Platt are also on the call. Oh, wonderful. And Dan Wells is supposed to be on the call. Okay. I'm here. Okay, thanks, Dan. Mary Bill-Granaro is also supposed to be on the call. He's from ICO Energy. Okay. He just joined. Oh, great. All right. Well, good evening. This open meeting of the Arlington Zoning Board of Appeals is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020. The order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Further, all members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to participate remotely. 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We ask that you please maintain decorum during the meeting including displaying an appropriate background. All supporting materials that have been provided members of this body are available on the town's website unless otherwise noted. The public is encouraged to follow along using the posted agenda. As chair, I reserve the right to take items out of order in the interest of promoting an orderly meeting. So I know that there was a very large distribution of materials I know at the very end of the day and I don't know if all those have made it onto the agenda for this evening or not. Vin, were you able to access those documents? Yes, I think they should all be on there. Oh, perfect, okay, great, thank you. So the first item on our agenda this evening would be the approval of the final decision on 34 Marathon Street, but one of the people who needs to vote on those is Aaron Ford who is not quite here yet. Pat, do you think we should go ahead and vote without him or do you think we should hold it and do it at the end? I think we should hold it and do it to the end. I've looked at the participants' lifts and I did not see anyone associated with that application on it. We might want to inquire and see, but if there's no one here to listen to it, there's no reason to wait till the end to do it then. Oh, thank you. Is there anyone on the call this evening specifically for 34 Marathon Street? If you could go ahead and raise your hand or unmute yourself and let yourself be known. Seeing none, I'm gonna go ahead and table that to the close. So that brings us up to the second item on our agenda which is the continuation of the Comprehensive Permit hearing for 1165 RMAS chooses Avenue. Before we begin, here's some ground rules for effective and clear conduct of tonight's business. This evening's discussion will focus on revised materials from the applicant and from the consulting engineers. We will open with a presentation by the applicant followed by questions from the board. After the board members of the public will be provided, invited to provide their questions and comments. So with that in mind, Ms. O'Connor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening members of the board. First, on behalf of the applicant, I wanna thank the members of the board for the time that's been spent on this application and their expertise. And I particularly on behalf of my client and myself wanna thank Beta for their work, Marty and her team and how quickly they turned around the most recent comments. We're very appreciative of that and we thank them. This evening, we have everyone on the call in case the board has any questions based on the materials submitted, we have provided updated architectural and site civil plans for the 124 unit development. I believe and Beta can correct me if I misspeak that the wetlands issues have been resolved. We have addressed the guest parking issues that were brought up at the last meeting. I believe the landscaping questions have been resolved and I would suggest you that the traffic impact issues as well as the neighborhood concerns have been addressed by my client. I have also, Attorney DuPont provided the information that you had requested concerning who has the ability to tow on Ryder Street and I've provided a letter as to that information and the status of that after looking at the statute. I saw that. Thank you very much. You're quite welcome. We do have someone from ICO engineering and energy on the call to address the utility poll and what would be appropriate for installation on the utility poll in the easement. And Paul Boucher of Jones Lang LaSalle will at the end go over the preliminary construction management plan that has been put together. So rather than me restate things, I thought if the board would prefer we could respond to any questions or concerns. Thank you very much. Four. Is there anyone for the board who has questions that you'd like to start off with? Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. I don't immediately. Well, I have one minor one, but this is more importantly, it seems to me it would be helpful for us to hear from Marta's team and I think Susan Chapnick is here just to basically have them either agree with Ms. O'Connor or let us know whether there's anything residual that causes them any concern or that they think even if it doesn't cause them concern that we should pay special attention to. If it is well taken. Ms. Nover is there for the comments from your team? Sure. I think I'll let the three speak. I'll start with Bill Brath on the civil stormwater topic. Thanks, Marty. Again, Bill McGrath with beta. I think at the last meeting we had noted that prior to the 124 unit revision, I think all of the comments on stormwater had been addressed other than just some final coordination on the plans and I think the last thing with the revision to the 124 units is just how the drainage is going to be handled in the new surface parking that's next to the garage. This is there that used to be the garage and then that's from there from that water quality unit. Obviously it's treated and then it goes into it eventually discharges into Milbrook but you'll see it on the plans that we submitted this afternoon. All right. Thanks. Okay. Thank you both. Ms. Kraus. Sure. So most of our all of our comments have essentially been addressed. We did recommend that a complete set of revised plans get submitted, which it sounds like they were. So we'll take a look at those just to confirm that everything was carried over but all of our remaining comments were potentially recommended conditions and that's where our comment letter essentially left off. Of course, I was reading through that today. Thank you. And then Tyler, Deruda. I thank you Tyler Deruda with Beta Group Traffic Engineer. So we reviewed the applicants shared what am I thinking of? Parking memorandum that was sent over last week. We basically have found the letter to be reasonable but we've offered four comments for consideration of the board. Again, mostly just conditions type comments for consideration involving around shared parking. So while there is guest parking available, much of it relies on a shared parking scenario where residents and guests and work bar may be using the same spaces over the course of the day and just developing a parking plan to kind of manage that and how parking will be utilized throughout the day. But that was pretty much it. Thank you. Anything further from Beta? No, no, Mr. Chim. Thank you all very much. And then Mr. Ford has joined us. Excellent. I think the other question was whether is Ms. Chapnick on the line? Excuse me, I am. If you wouldn't mind, just in regards to obviously the stormwater wetlands, if there were any further outstanding questions that the conservation commission had at this time? There are no outstanding questions at this time. I will say that the May 27th, I believe, response letter on the wetlands resource area and the updated planting plans have not been reviewed by the commission yet. Just to the timing of our next public meeting, which is this Thursday. So though they, to me, look acceptable as Beta said, we do reserve that we might have some, a few questions or comments that come up on Thursday when we're going to discuss these updated documents. So I don't see anything serious, but I can't say there won't be any comments. Okay. So yes, and we will, the commission is planning on, if we do have comments, on generating a letter and getting that out to you and the applicant and Beta quickly because I understand that we want to all be efficient about this and wrap it up. I will also say that the commission would look forward to working with Beta on proposed permit conditions. I think Mr. Hanlon had said in the past and it was a good observation that it would be more efficient if we work together rather than submitting separate proposed conditions that then have to be meshed together. I don't know if that's something that Chairman Klein, you want to endorse and we should go forward in that regard or how should we proceed? I think absolutely. I think it would certainly assist in the creation of those potential conditions. Sounds good. Great. Thank you very much. Mr. Revillek. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just had a brief question regarding Mr. Zemulka's memo from May 26th. I'll catch it. All right. The May 26th memo, it's specifically the section on additional overnight parking accommodations. So it sounds like if I'm understanding it correctly, guests at the overnight guests would be able to request an overnight waiver to park in front of, park on the street on Mass Ave in front of the Hyundai dealership and that there would be so many, each residential unit would be allotted so many waivers. I just wanted to verify that this was, or I just wanted to make sure that you, this was verified with the Arlington Police Department. This was taken directly from the regulation, Arlington regulations. So there's, and there's specific instructions on the Arlington website too, to request this. So you have to reach out to the police department. Mr. Revillek, we did receive a memo from Corey Reto, Officer Reto confirming all of that. Beautiful. That's exactly what I was hoping to hear. Thank you. Nothing further, Mr. Chair. Thank you. And just so everyone knows, we did submit, I had written a letter and it was line of us submitted to the various town commission boards and departments last week requesting that if there are any final comments from those groups who wish to inform the decision of the board, if they could please submit a letter to the board by a week from today. So we expect to have those in hopefully over the course of this week, if not the beginning of next week. Mr. Chairman. Please. So I have a question too regarding Mr. Zamolka's letter and it's just because I want to understand the graph a little bit more in detail. So in reference to the overnight parking, it said that work bar has 10 contracted spaces. Is that accurate? That's correct. So, and is that presently what happens that there are 10 cars there overnight? We have done a, you know, we did the large study and when we counted the cars at night, there was less than 10. I believe there was only about three or four. And so in the event that there were fewer than 10 than those spaces would be available for guest parking? Those are reserved for work bar only. Okay. And then similarly moving from the overnight to the weekday, midday, just to understand how these are categorized. So it says calculated required work bar spaces, 17 and contracted spaces, 40. So again, that's what is somehow in writing versus what you've observed. Yeah. So the, what we observed and what we calculated, you know, based on the study that we did, there were 17 spaces that would be required based on the utilization. However, contractually, 40 spaces will be reserved for the work bar tenants. And so, and I can understand that there might be some difficulties. So those spaces, if not being used by work bar would not ever be available for guests. Correct. Okay. Okay, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. So I did have a few questions. So in, I didn't get a chance to get through all the packet that came out today, but the layout plan has references to several different bench types, like several different pavers, several different planters and some other site amenities. Are those detailed in the set? Randy, can you answer that? I actually think that'd be Kyle. Yeah, that'd be me. We have details for those and I don't believe those were part of the package. We had just the layout and the planting and the swale detailing. We didn't have any of the site furnishings. But you have information on those that you could provide? We do. Okay. I had just wanted to just take a look at the benches to sort of see what style benches they are and see if they have arm rests or not. Check with the pavers to make sure that the services that would have the pavers would meet the requirements for accessibility. And then look for the details on the railings and then also just on the bike racks to make sure that the bike racks comply with the towns zoning bylaws in regards to bicycle storage. We can provide all that. That'd be great. Thank you. And then the only other question I had is there's a on the site lighting. So appears that all the site lighting there's two different fixtures. There's a building wall mount fixture that's being used and there's a pole mount fixture. The detail for the pole mount indicates that it's to be set 30 inches back from the curb but looking at the plans it looks in most locations it's closer than 30 inches to the curb. So I just wanted to just confirm on that is to just to make sure that there is sufficient separation between the curb and the pole base. Yeah and I think we can try to provide sufficient protection where there is room but I think in other areas we might need to provide a raised foundation as like a protection almost as like a ballard to protect that pole. I guess within areas where we can't meet that setback that 30 inch setback. And then my final question gets back to my favorite topic of the telephone pole in the middle of the right away. So I was over there again today taking a look at the pole. There are bits of broken headlight shell on the ground next to the pole. So it's obviously been struck recently. And in the time it took me to walk down turn around and come back there was already a car parked in the right of way against the pole. And if I may be overthinking this but I still have big reservations about this telephone pole in the right of way and I understand the difficulties involved in trying to relocate it. If it has to stay, I would definitely be interested in how we can create an environment where cars are not driving directly at it and where it is, where we disincentivize trying to park against it so that it is partly blocking what is intended to be a right of way that now doesn't receive very much traffic but in the future could receive considerably more traffic. And so I know you had submitted today a couple of sort of wrap style protections, one that was rigid, one that's a little softer that would wrap around the base of the pole that would be bright colored. I did want to ask if you'd considered extending a curb out around the pole or some kind of a barrier that would, if a car was traveling towards it, it would be the car would be deflected away from the pole rather than impacting the pole head on. Randy, can you answer that as to those two suggestions? Actually, I think we want the folks from ICODA to help with that one. Yeah, this is Phil Guernagher from ICOEnergy and Engineering and we're working with the developer as a utility expert in helping kind of then navigate the process in dealing with electric and gas. But over the course of our work, we definitely deal with Verizon quite a bit. In this case in this situation, Verizon sets the poles, the joint owned between Verizon and Evosource. So ultimately the way they divvied them up in Arlington, Verizon is responsible for maintaining the poles and setting new poles if necessary. So our stance was to take it up with Verizon and ask for their input on how they would best treat a pole that's in a situation of high traffic. We wanted to at least present something that was reasonable in kind of a simple solution to highlight the pole, to make it more obvious. But what we would do with that idea is certainly we would have to approach Verizon with that concept and see if they would buy into it. But in conjunction with that, they may have some suggestions on their own where they've dealt with this kind of situation time and time again. So we would open that dialogue with Verizon for their input. I will suggest or say state that that dialogue has not happened yet, but that's what we would suggest doing in a path forward to look to remedy the situation. But as far as curbing and things like that, that doesn't really kind of settle in our realm of responsibility or service. So dealing with the utilities is kind of what we would present and have that dialogue as far as considering altering the curb line or anything like that across our desk. And we haven't had those conversations with the developer. And if I may, Chairman Klein, we've had a lot of people look at this from different angles and we have Bill here who's been great in helping us work through the opaque infrastructure that is the utility world. And we've made some great strides. We've actually tried many times to have this conversation with Verizon and just have not gotten there. But and we've looked at a number of these issues, number of these ideas curbing, bollards, other protective, crush-proof things that would absorb the impact without affecting the pole. And the speeds are not excessive here, although people might at times drive faster than they should. One way that we've tried to address the speed issue in working with one of the neighbors is to put in a speed bump that would slow traffic down. And we think that'll be an effective tool. We don't think adding curbs and bollards will do anything to reduce the danger to drivers, which is real end to pedestrians if they're out there. They shouldn't be out there, but if they are, because that'll further narrow the private way and that private way has access rights to the neighbors. And we're trying our darnedest to respect those and bending over backwards to not impede those. And I think, frankly, if we start building stuff that reduced the roadway, it would not work to that end. So, in the interest of trying to slow the traffic down or using other means to do that, in the interest of protecting the pole, assuming the horizon signs off on this, I can't imagine. They won't, because we're protecting their property, putting on some reflective protective coating that makes it far more visible will certainly go a long way. And otherwise mitigating the amount of cars that go past it, which we've talked about at great length in front of this board. So, I think we've looked at this range of approaches and we've come to this idea that let's try not to further choke down the travel path, and but make it far more visible and slow traffic down. Thank you. And I would also, you'll see later that we are proposing no parking signs on the Myrec Hyundai side of the private way as a reminder to people to not park there. Thank you. Yes, sir. Are there further questions from the board at this time? Being none, I would, this stage I'll go ahead and open the meeting for public comment. So just quickly, the opening of public comment period for the revised information on the proposed project, public questions and comments will be taken as they relate to the matter of hand to be directed to the board for the purpose of informing your decision to provide for an orderly flow to the meeting and to allow the inclusion of many voices that chair ask individual speakers to limit their comments to around five minutes and encourages them to use their time to provide comment related to the indicated topics. Additional time will be provided at the discretion of the chair to provide time for questions to be fully addressed. Chair encourages the public to provide written comment to be reviewed by the board included in the record. This is especially true if you have specific recommendations in regards to the project. Procedure for requested to speak are the same as for previous hearings. Please select the raised hand button on the comments tab on Zoom or dial star nine on your phone to indicate who you'd like to speak. When called upon, please identify yourself by name and address. You'll be given time for your questions and comments, all questions that could be addressed through the chair. Please remember to speak clearly in a way that helps us generate after minutes. Once all public questions and comments have been addressed, the public comment period will be closed for this session of the hearing. And the board and staff will do our best to show documents being discussed if you'd like a specific document to be pulled up during your comments. Please do ask us to do so. Mr. Ranesi. Good evening, folks. What I'd like to do at the outset is thank the Myrack family for having met with me on at least three occasions. They certainly have gone out of their way to present the project to me so that I could understand what was being proposed, how the track was going to flow and the like. And I'll state for the record that I don't object to the project itself. However, I do have issues with respect to the right of way. I'm 1171 massive, just on the left-hand side as you can in the right of way. My right of way was created in 1912. It's gone through a lot of transformations over the years, okay, and that's fine. I've heard comments from some of the folks on the applicant side and with respect to you, Christian, as well, with regard to having some sort of buffer or some sort of curbing around the pole that might protect the pole. Well, I think the emphasis ought to be on what's going to protect my property. Christian, if you look at the photos that I submitted back in January, and you may not have those handy, I don't know, but the photos I submitted back in January show how my curbing was beaten up over the years. Many times I had to have the curbing replaced. And quite frankly, the problems with the curbing did not occur because of traffic coming into the property, but rather traffic coming out of the property, particularly traffic coming from behind the Myra Cayende property, where you make the turn and you come around. I would have trucks get stuck on my property on my sidewalk, causing me to have to replace my sidewalk on many occasions. I finally put up, I put up a yellow pole years ago to protect my fence, and that worked, okay, because vehicles were backing into my fence. I also put up a pole in front of my property. If you had the photos, you could see that, a yellow pole. And that yellow pole basically prevented vehicles coming from around behind the Myra Cayende property from making the turn and coming up on my sidewalk and potentially hitting my building. I think the problem with respect to putting curbing around the telephone pole or anything else around the telephone pole is that it's going to have a tendency to redirect the traffic that would come closer to the telephone pole to my property and my right of way. And it's important to note that the entranceway for the Myra Cayende property is like maybe 20 to 25 feet away from the entranceway to my property. I went out there today and I submitted a memo to the board, which I hope that you did perceive, where I made some comments about the right of way. I went out there today, by the way, in that memo, I indicated that I paced off the distance from my curbing to the pole and it was 15 feet. Well, I don't think it's 15 feet. I think I was overly generous. I think it's close to maybe 13 feet, if that. So we're talking now about a 13 foot way which supposedly started out as a 20 foot right of way. The telephone pole, I don't blame the Myrax for the telephone pole, it's not their fault, okay? The telephone pole basically has cut into that right of way. So what am I left with at this point? I've left with a situation where there's going to be a 13 foot width between the telephone pole and my curb. You're going to have the continued traffic from Myrax Allende coming from around the back of the high-endee property up into the high-endee property. That's how their cars come up to the high-endee property. They don't come up from Mass Ave. They come up from behind the high-endee property. I'm going to have that problem continuing and that, by the way, is in and out traffic. Nobody can stop any Myrax family from using that property. They have vested rights to use that property in and out as I do with respect to my property. Now my property, of course, has limited traffic. I've got an office, I've got two residential units upstairs and I don't generate very much traffic. What I'm concerned about, and again, I don't object to the project, what I'm concerned about is, I'm concerned about construction vehicles. Lord knows how big coming down that 13 foot wide way, accessing the property, maybe 30, 40, 50 feet away from my property to work on the property that's going to be demolished and reconstructed. I've got a problem with that, okay, in terms of construction vehicles doing that for safety reasons, for damage to my property as well. And I think I'm looking for some help, okay? I mean, I could say to everybody, look, I'm going to contest this thing, I'm going to go to the land court, I'm going to argue that it's an overburdening of my right of way, which I think it is, but I'm not going to do that. That's not where I'm coming from. Where I'm coming from is I want the project to go forward, but I need some help in terms of protecting my property with respect to what is now going to be a 13 foot wide way. And I know there's been discussion about reflectives on the pole, about lighting, about a lot of other things, whether that's going to do the trick, I just don't know. And quite frankly, I can't come up with an idea that helps in terms of what could be done about the pole because whatever I come up with would be a lessening for the lessening of the width of the way. So I'm at your mercy in many ways, folks on the zoning board and I'm asking for some help in terms of coming up with a solution of some kind that's going to protect my property, that's going to protect the safety of the people entering my property. And by the way, Mr. Hanlon, I do have a Marine Corps parking only sign in my parking lot, but I'm not sure that that's going to deter any parking in my parking lot. I'm not really talking about parking in the parking lot at this point, as much as I am the width of the way. So I'm at your mercy. I did find those photos. Did you want me to show those? Yes, would you do that, please? Thank you. Sure. Chairman Klein, could I respond? Please. Attorney NSC is a friend and we appreciate his comments. We're not altering what is there. I will say that his concerns are not with respect by way of the traffic, are not with respect to the project that we're talking about tonight. They are exclusively related to the MIRAC dealership next door and their use or maybe abuse of the right of way. And we are going to put signs that will say no parking in the right of way and we perhaps could even say violators will be towed. We have talked to Attorney NSC about putting up signs for him that say no parking in his lot. And as to the issue of construction vehicles, Paul Boucher of Jones, Alessang and Lael will talk about what we propose by way of the construction vehicles. So the concern actually there's less of an impact due to this project because only vehicles will be coming into the project and the work bar people will also be only becoming in Mass Ave and exiting Rider Street. So the real issue is the other party, the MIRAC dealership that has vested rights to use that right of way and there's no way we can control that. And the problem with that is that there's still in and out traffic coming from MIRAC Hyundai which will be competing with the traffic coming in. Again, I need to keep saying this. I'm not opposed to the project. I would like to see if there's some sort of a solution so that my property is protected and the safety of people. I've pulled out of my parking lot. That photo that you see right now I've pulled out of that parking lot. And you're right, Mary, vehicles coming from behind MIRAC Hyundai have whipped around the bend and come within inches of my car, okay? And even vehicles on the other side of the pole come out from the MIRAC Hyundai property with the same problem. And by the way, I came in tonight. I'm in the office this evening for this Zoom and there was a car parked in front of the utility pole which even further lessens the width of the way. So I think I've said as much as I need to. Can I just say something really quickly? It's a matter of course, I think for every project that we do as a good neighbor to do a photographic documentation of the conditions before we start with the butters and where we have such close quarters. And we would do that here. We will do that here. And that will give everybody a very clear understanding of what condition are in place before we start. And if we damage something, we will fix it. So we can't necessarily fix what other people do but we will be responsible for what we do. And it will be left in better condition than it is before. That driveway will be repaved as a part of this work. It has to be because new utility lines are gonna be dug trenched through there. And so the process will be like any construction process it will have some aches and pains to get through and we'll be as good a partner as we can possibly be and we'll be there to answer your questions. And when we're done, we'll leave it as good or better condition as when we came. I do appreciate that. And of course, what I was talking about earlier is directed toward ongoing traffic. What perhaps could be proposed in terms of dealing with that issue that I've raised, okay? With respect to the fact that we can't do, I don't think we can do anything around that pole to basically protect the pole because when you protect the pole, you're not protecting my property. That's the bottom line. Thank you. I think the speed bump will go a long way once the work is done and the repaving is there. It will help reduce that speed issue of cars coming around the corner, whomever they are. Thank you. We'll move on. Mr. T? Hey, this is Alexander T of Two Riders Street. I just got a delivery of cupcakes. So thank you. So I have a three part question. The first part is directed at the applicant. And I'm kind of curious. There have been so many moving pieces on the parking aspect of this that I kind of want to understand specifically based on the number of units and the requirements of work bar, how many spaces below the zoning ordinance are we? Like is it a eight space delta or is it a 20 space delta between kind of what's being requested in that waiver? My second part of my question is directed back at beta. Earlier on this call was mentioned that shared parking introduces some level of risk and to be able to manage that. I'm asking on previous instances, how much risk could we be assuming here? And then thirdly, back to the applicant after that. Just what other means have been explored for finding additional spaces? I noticed on the last meeting you had actually pulled the facade of the building back 24 or a certain amount to provide more space from the boundary. Has it been explored to kind of add that second tier parking back in which accounts for eight spaces as that would still allow you the privacy setback for the residential units but maybe it's not as important for the spaces themselves. And then I also just wanted to kind of follow up as if there was any more developments in terms of the lease agreement as there was a lot of concern on the last call, just about A, the sensitivity around eviction and how we were gonna actually enforce that standard. Thank you. If you could just further elaborate on your question about risk. Yeah, yeah. So again, I think we all know that Brian's team and that the applicant have done a lot of observational studies. And so again, I think they have good data that they're working off of. And if that data holds true then there's probably a zero risk. But again, I think there are a lot of assumptions baked into that. And is this property gonna behave in the same way as those other properties? Possibly, but in the case that it's not that's what I'm kind of trying to understand if how much risk is there in terms of gonna be overflow onto our street for parking? Very good. Thank you very much. So starting with the question about the number of parking spaces. I would defer to Mr. Bargman and Mr. Zemalk around those. Wonderful. So can you repeat the question? I apologize. No, not at all. The question was sort of relative to the Arlington's parking requirements. How many parking spaces, the number of parking spaces that are proposed for this site, is it even with the number that's required or is it a lower number? And if it's a lower number, what is that difference? I believe that's actually a question that Joel probably answered for Daniel. Yeah. So the total number of parking spaces that we have is 128 spaces. Zoning would dictate one and a half spaces per unit and there'd be 186 spaces. No, no, no, it's, excuse me, it's 160. 160 parking spaces would be required for the 124 unit scheme. And we are proposing 128. I'm sorry, I was looking at the bicycle line, my bad. My bad, my bad. So 160 to 120, my bad. Okay, so we are 32 below that number, below the one and a half, essentially. And to the corner, I think you had said before that I think eight of the spaces would be compact spaces. Yes, eight of them will be compact spaces, which is well below what's permitted by the bylaw. Correct, thank you. And then there was a question about, I guess that sort of the confidence in the data and the recommended number of parking spaces, how confident is, or what's the confidence level that we are provided the right number of spaces and what happens if that number proves to be undercounting what is required? I think Mr. Zamolka will tell you he's very confident in his data. So Brian? Yeah, I mean, the data is based on national studies and that's the way we do traffic engineering. Those are the standards. So how am I, how confident I am? It's not how I feel it's what the data presents. I think the question was actually directed towards data. I don't know if Tyler had anything more. I would agree with Mr. Zamolka. They've counted the three additional sites that are within proximity of the town of Arlington. And they're all similar residential sites. We've reviewed the data and it seems reasonable based on their evaluation. Okay, thank you. The third question was in regards to whether the ability to create additional parking spaces and specifically looking at the portion of the building that was removed on the Southern end of the property to, and then having the parking is exposed to ground level, was there a consideration of extending the second floor parking over that area? And I guess as a corollary question, would that be something that would be possible in the future should additional parking be required? I think to build parking, structured parking and not be able to offset that with the revenue of additional units built above it would create an economic situation. So building eight spaces sticking up in the air. And I think aesthetically it would not be a great solution. Certainly not one that I think our team would be a proponent of. So I think it's both aesthetically not the right solution and it is economically just not a feasible solution. And then the last question, Ms. O'Connor, I believe you have some information in this regard with the question about the lease and the ability to enforce parking regulations through the lease. Sure, based on the comments from the butters and attorney Havardy at the last meeting, I did look at the issue as to whether a fine could be levied against those tenants in the affordable units, which it could not be without the permission of HUD. So after much discussion, the route that I think we're going to go is that if it is reported that someone has violated the parking situation, they'll get a warning the first time and then they will be advised that their lease will not be renewed. So we won't evict them, but when the lease comes up, they will not be renewed. Mr. Chair, this is Alex again. Could I ask one quick follow-up? Please. So if I'm understanding the math correctly, again, we're about 30ish spots below if it was just a residential unit. I could think that my question for beta was, it's not just a residential unit. It is also a, it's a mixed use development, right? Where we have work bar and there's a certain number of spaces allocated for that. And so again, I think we're making, we're asking, the applicant is asking for accommodations from the town to go with fewer spaces on the residential side, but there's also added risk from having it be a mixed use property. And that's the part that I wanted better clarity from beta on in terms of the shared use aspect of this. How likely is it going to be that everything kind of works so cleanly where, you know, people leave their residents on time and time for work bar to show up? Because I think that's when we're going to see the overflow during those peak parking times. And again, people are not going to start going to come out and move their car when the space opens up. Sure. Thank you, Tyler Deruda here from beta. I would just say that that is the basis of our follow-up comment to Mr. Simulco's letter. If you have reviewed it, it is, I believe, comment number three. And it basically states just that for the work bar and the residential and the guest parking to work out, there's some number of residential spaces that need to be empty throughout the day as they observed that there are similar sites as those folks go off to work. If those spaces are not empty, then there could be overflow from the work bar. And so the comment basically outlines, you know, defining a parking management program for the site that says, you know, whether these least spaces are required to be not there during the day or however they decide to have that work out. Unfortunately, that's not for me to tell the management company what to do, but it is something that we would request that they accommodate. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. What we're talking about is, I think, points three and four of Tyler's letter of May 27th. And it may be that this is a time where the applicant really ought to, I mean, I'm sure they were intending to address those two questions anyway, but this may be a time for them to look at them and give us an idea of what they would plan. Mr. Hanlon. Have any plans been developed as of yet as to parking management? Mr. Connor. I would defer Brian. Any plans? I would actually defer to Daniel. So, man on the spot here. So I would just ask people to think about this for a minute. We're gonna have a professionally managed community and the success of our project and the ongoing operational success will be very contingent upon our management company being sure that these rules are obeyed by, you know, the we don't want a situation where there's a bunch of work parkers overextending their welcome and staying too late and then the residents not being able to park. And likewise, we don't wanna have our residents not recognizing the spaces that are for the work bar folks. We submitted plans today that designate very specifically which spaces those are. We shaded them the 40 spaces that will be available during weekdays and the 10 spaces, which is a subset of those 40 that will be available in the evenings and the weekends. We plan to assign spaces by number when they are reserved space and to actively manage them. And we'd be happy to put together a parking management plan if that makes people feel better but that's just the normal course of what a good operator does. And so I am certain that that is something that we will follow through on and if it brings people a level of comfort for us to put that together as a condition of the project going forward, we'd be happy to do that. Thank you. So essentially the like the individual parking spaces will be numbered and they may have particular signage that indicates they have this space reserved for work barring only during such and such hours. And then, okay. And that's all shown on the drawings that we submitted. Exactly which spaces those are, the actual numbering scheme. So, it'll be very clear if a car is not abiding by those when if they're parked in a reserve space, if they're not the right car in that right space as reserve spaces will be assigned, then it'll be very clear if it's not working. And believe me, it will be, we will be solving it before anybody does because we need to for the success of the ongoing operations of the project. Got it. Yeah, no, just due to the lead arrival of the drawings today, we haven't had a chance to dig too deeply through the set. Understood, understood. Absolutely look through that. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. T, did you have anything further? Not at this time. Thank you. Ms. Weber? Yes, thank you. I am just gonna reiterate. Sorry, I name an address of the record. Nicole Weber, 14 Ryder Street, thank you. So, I am just trying to figure out like, okay, I wanna bring up middle schoolers again, it's a middle school corridor and I'm still seeing some nuances. I know Brian is gonna kick me for this one, but I mean, it's just like the timing of the middle schoolers going to school and the timing of people leaving for work. That still is a sticking point for me as far as safety and I want that to be part considered within the project. And as far as monitoring parking, this is a question for Arlington. Would a neighborhood like this be able to create parking permits for the residents on Ryder and the other streets around that are impacted by this kind of a development? And so the management of parking would be more visible. So that's the second question. And what happens if, again, Alex I think brought this up, like what is the points of recalibration if something does not go according to plan? Taking your second question first over regards to the town and resident parking. I don't know if you have any sense of this from a planning perspective? I do not, but I do know that the Transportation Advisory Committee is taking a look at this based on the information that we sent them last week Friday. And so I'm happy to reach out to Dan to see if he has any additional information about parking permits for like site specific parking permits. Certainly if it's a private way, can private residents put up their own no parking signs on a private way and are they allowed to essentially have their own permits for their vehicles? I mean, again, if it's a public way, it really comes down to the select board. If it's a private way, I really just want to defer to Dan Daniel Amstutz on this. If I could jump in where the town owns that side of the private way, the odd side, that would be up to the town to make a determination. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to point out that Ms. O'Connor has submitted a letter, I think, on this very subject. And I will say that whenever this subject has come up, it's always curved back to the town. The town has a lot of discretion as to what to do here, presumably. The select board is the one that's responsible for parking. And there's a whole lot of problems on the other side, and we haven't really heard anything from the town as to what it is they might be willing to do or should do or how it relates to policy in terms of resolving those issues. So to some extent, we've been going back to the applicant to look to solve problems that are in the first instance, I think, problems of the town. And it would be very helpful if the town would say, well, we're there too. And both from a policy and a property point of view, and we shouldn't be isolated from it, we should be part of the solution. And I would hope that we could figure out a way of at least initiating that conversation and getting the town engaged because basically the town has more leverage than anyone else to solve the problem. Steve Rappelach, Mr. Chair. Just a question for Mr. Hanlon, when you say the town, are you referring to the select board specifically or just for my own clarity, which groups within the town? It's my understanding that the sort of quote legislative unquote authority over parking rests with the select board, but the select board never really does anything entirely on its own. And there's the entire town structure that reports to Mr. Chapter Lane that somewhere in there, and I'm not completely clear with who it is who does that support work, but somewhere in there are other people who have to take a look and provide advice to the select board. And I assume that those people, those were included in my reference to the town a few moments ago. Thank you, Mr. Hanlon. Chairman Klein, can I respond? After the previous, Ms. Laima first, please. Oh, okay. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that I believe the Transmission Advisory Committee does provide that guidance to the select board. So again, I have an email drafted to Daniel Amstatz. He's our departmental liaison with that committee. And I will raise this issue with them as well. Thank you, Ms. O'Connor. Yes, with respect to the first point that Ms. Weber raised, based upon the information that the applicant has provided, we are substantially increasing the Rider Street connector exit with significant safety features. The issues with respect to the traffic, the issues with respect to speeding cars are primarily from the northern side of Rider Street, not within the applicant's control. Mr. Hanlon referenced that. And I want to remind the board, as they know, there's no overall increase during the peak hours of traffic coming out of Rider Street. Yeah. Mr. O'Connor, it would be possible to include information for incoming tenants in regards to the nature of the use of Rider Street and the fact that it is a pedestrian way on the way and on a safe route to schools and that the tenants need to be careful of that. Certainly. Absolutely. And after the prior hearing and some of the comments, I did reach out to Michael Rademacher, who's the Director of Public Works and provided him with the contact information for Alex T. to discuss some of the concerns that the neighbors had raised the prior hearing in regards to the DPW relocation into this neighborhood. And also reached out to Charlotte Milan, who is the recycling coordinator for the town, specifically to try to set up a meeting with neighborhood residents about how to handle the town's recycling days, because there was some concerns raised about that at the prior hearing and the increased traffic load on a weekend in the neighborhood. And I did also reach out to Tom Manager, Adam Jefferland of the last hearing. I need to double back with him as well, specifically in regards to pedestrian safety between where this property comes out onto Rider Street and the bike path and the lack of sidewalk connection along there, along the LaLacata property and the town's property and the property that seems to be assumed by the landscape company across the end of the street. So I will make a note to follow up again with Mr. Chapter Lane about that. And then the third question that Ms. Weber had was in regards to sort of the question about recalibration to what do we do if the property is open and parking is an issue? And I would imagine that the management company would have some ability to manage the spaces to try to ameliorate as our parking difficulties that are arising as things continue along. Ms. O'Connor, would that be your assumption as well? I would say yes, Daniel, you concur. I do. And I think the most meaningful impact would be people parking on Rider Street and we already have a mechanism to address that, I believe, but again, I think the interests are aligned and that we're not gonna manage something that is causing problems for us or the neighborhood because then it's not gonna be a well-managed facility where people wanna come and live and meet the conditions that we represent that we can offer them, so. Thank you. Ms. Weber, did you have anything further? Not at this time. Thank you for reaching out to all the people that need to know about this and I think it's a more Arlington issue than this properties issue and I think this property has stepped up to talk to the residents throughout the process and I really am thankful for that. It's just we need to work on the street. It's not a safe place to be, so. Thank you, Nicole. We'll continue to work with you. Ms. Confraris. Hi, good evening, everyone. Maria Contreras, still live at Two Riders Street in Arlington. I tried to review earlier today all the documents that were for today's meeting and I'm noting that I guess there are some additional ones dated 61, so it's a little difficult to know what's covered in those new documents, but for a number of months, I feel like I've been a broken record about understanding the construction timeline and how construction vehicles are going to access the site. I think that this has not been addressed at all and I would really appreciate hearing in a public forum like how construction is going to occur. I don't even know how a work bar stays in business while construction is happening. So that's my first question is regarding construction. I would really appreciate a discussion on that. Second, I have a question. So I appreciate that many, many consultants have been compared to address many of the concerns and the applicant has worked with those. I'm very curious because this is being kind of advertised as a cyclist and pedestrian forward development like what entities or what consultants have been used to understand the best practices for pedestrian and cyclist safety for this particular site that is intersecting with multiple dangerous roadways. So I would appreciate knowing what consultants have been used and what their recommendations for best practices are and where on the scale of not best practices to best practices the proposed design is. And then third, a bit of a small detail, the, I mean, we posted a sign along our property so that fire trucks and safety vehicles can get through. We try to make people not park in front of the garden bed outside our house because of that access. And so last meeting the drawings for the access for the emergency vehicles was very helpful. I'm curious, I've been looking a lot at the egress from the property onto Ryder Street and noticing that right now at present the Lollikata use of those two gate openings. We recognize that the trucks going in and out of there currently, I realize that site may be developed fairly soon. But at present, the trucks going out of there usually have trailers, very large and also need a pretty wide turning radius. And I'm curious, again, those four spaces along the middle street, I'm concerned about them. I think they're going to encourage drivers who are seeking guest spaces to not be able to park there and venture on to Ryder and Pierce and loop back around on Beck and Ryder. And then they also seem problematic for the current abutting property to make the egress. So I am curious about what's been done to make sure that those spaces are actually legitimate spaces. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, we're just those in reverse order from a site planning perspective. Has it been considered how the trucks moving out of those gates onto the egress way from the property, is there enough turning space with the gates open for vehicles to move out without having to drive over the landscape on the opposite side? Randy, I defer to the one that. Well, I guess, are we talking about the driveway that exits onto Ryder Street, making that left maneuver? Well, I think starting from, there's the Lalacata property that abuts where the parking side of that lane leading out to Ryder. So with the gates open, is there sufficient space for vehicles to maneuver from there out into the roadway heading out to Ryder Street? There is, yes, we have modeled those vehicles that have trailers on them to ensure that there's no conflicts with those four parking spaces and there is sufficient width for those vehicles to maneuver out of the Lalacata property. Okay, and that includes the gates themselves? Correct, yes. And then, go back in terms of the pedestrian and cyclist safety, the what guidance or consultants was used in the development of the bicycle and pedestrian amenities? We use niche engineering, one of the leading traffic consultants in Massachusetts, Mr. Zamolka, and I believe Mr. Revillac commented in a positive way based on the bicycle pedestrian safety issues on the Ryder connector as well, a couple of meetings ago. I would also say our architects have done a number of the projects of late where bicycle parking and repair and maintenance and interior storage are an important feature. And that was one of the things that drew us to them, one of the many, they're very capable in many ways. And so they've been a great help and kind of the space needs and the practical requirements that are related to that. Thank you. And then in regards to the first question was to understand more about construction. So- Mr. Chair, may I please follow up question on the second? Yes, please Mr. Chair. So I'm, has anyone who representing Arlington, Arlington has a bicycle safety committee. Have they been introduced to this process? I tried emailing them earlier on to make sure that they're aware of this is adding potentially 180 plus cyclists to a congested roadway. I'm just, I'm very curious what local action, hyper local action has what conversations have taken place in terms of this site in this town? Because honestly, all I see are a couple of sherros and one of those sherros is going the wrong way in a one way. And that is concerning to me as a community member. I'm also curious how many visitors they hope to draw to that one way street to view the mill stream from the larger community. That's also just a data point that I'm very curious about and how, you know, how we're ensuring those, the larger community who's being, you know, drawn to the site, how we're keeping them safe outside of a sheriff going the wrong direction on a one-way street. Thank you. I guess Ms. O'Connor, is there an expectation of people from outside the project coming to this site, more sort of in a sort of to be a part of the part of the, you know, sort of the ambiance of the space, but not being residents? Yes, but that's the master plan. There's some of the themes in the master plan. How many people, we have no idea. I don't think we're talking droves, but we couldn't put a number on it. I'd be guessing, we'd be guessing. Ms. Lime, I don't know if you have a sense. Does, do you know how the, the Bicycle Advisory Committee is used in town? I don't know very much about them. So again, Daniel Amstutz, he's also, so he's our Senior Transportation Planner in the Department of Planning and Community Development. So he works both with the Transportation Advisory Committee and then also the Arlington Bicycle Advisory Committee. So he is fully aware of this project. Again, in my email to him, I can also mention the bicycle concerns, but you know, we are, I think as I mentioned in the last meeting, we are also doing the bikeway study and that RFP is out right now. So, and we have just completed the Sustainable Transportation Plan, which is about looking at various modes of transportation throughout the town and improving safety and sustainability for all modes of transportation. So those are both plans that are working in parallel and Daniel is the individual in our department who is working on both of those. Okay. If you could, if you could mention to us specifically the question about the, sort of the two-direction charoes on the one-way street and whether that's, whether that brings up any specific concerns either from him or from the Bicycle Advisory Group. I will do so. Thank you. Thank you. So the applicant did provide a construction management plan over a few and I wasn't sure who would want to, if I put that up on the screen, who would want to present that? That would be me. I will do that. Okay. All right. Let me go ahead and share this. You would like to go ahead and... Great. Thank you. Thank you Chairman Klein and thank you members of the board for allowing us to present this tonight. I'm Paul Boucher. I'm with Jones Lang LaSalle, the Owners Project Manager, working for Daniel Sinclair and Julia Mayrak. So this is meant to be a pretty broad brush overview of a more detailed plan that we will develop, excuse me, and submit to the town when we use file for our building permits. So what I tried to put together here was just the major components of the plan itself, talking about construction and access, project duration, et cetera. So I'll try to be as brief as possible. We can, we'll take questions at the end. So starting with construction access, we have, there'll be three major points of vehicular access throughout the duration of the project. Forest to Ryder, or I should say Mass Ave, Forest to Ryder, the Mass Ave Connector Driveway, sometimes referred to as the West Driveway, and then off of Mass Ave to Quinn Road, to the Quinn Road Connector. Thank you. This is the appropriate slide. So the blue arrows indicate vehicular access south of the Millbrook, and then the white arrows are vehicular access to the north side of the Millbrook. The two orange squares are construction and access gates. In this particular slide, go ahead. This particular slide also shows the red, red boundary is actually a fence that will be set up during a slight mobilization phase. Could you go back to the previous slide with the list? Or I could maybe just touch on it. So the next item was just the project duration. We're looking at a plus or minus 19 month duration. We're hoping to get in the ground October, November of this year, and complete in the spring of 2023. I'll go through the major, four major phases of the project as we cycle through the slides. Work hours would be consistent with the town noise ordinance, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday through Friday. Site security, I mentioned that we'd be setting up a site perimeter fence. Gates would be locked at the end of each day. The fencing location itself may be adjusted from time to time as required by the phases of work. For erosion and sediment control, there'll be detailed plans in place when we submit for building permit. But basically it's best management, but I can see is and sediment control measures are things like the catch basins. There'll be a filter grade at the catch basins of the hay bales or hay socks around the perimeter of the site. But again, that'll be more detailed in the site civil drawings that are filed for building permit. Construction site signage. So we will be putting up wayfinding and directional signs to control the construction, medical access. It'll also include directing pedestrians and cyclists safely around the site itself so that there's no confusion about and having someone possibly wander into the construction site itself. Two other items I just wanted to mention. So public notification, the abutter notification, we intend to put out a newsletter monthly and that'll be sent to the director butters by way of email. And we also plan to have periodic meetings to update them on the phases of construction and take questions and comments about parking issues or deliveries and such. And then finally, a contact number would be provided to the director butters. It'll be in the newsletter. It'll also be on a site sign, kind of a project sign that will be posted on the site fence so that it will be visible and accessible to the public. So those are the major components. If you'd like to cycle through the slides, they can quickly touch on, thank you. So in resisting conditions, we have the red boundary issue is the site, the site proper as it is today. We're proposing to place temporary parking to the north of the site on a parcel. That's the blue kind of parcel that's going in the north-south direction. Thank you. That's currently leased by the Myrack family and will, I believe that lease will be continued. So we'll have approximately 48 parking spaces there. The other section is proposed. Thank you. It's between the DeVito home and the Myrack Hyundai. And we're proposing that for right now. We're in ongoing discussions with the Myrack family to lease that space. Next slide. As I mentioned before, this is the site access slide. Happy to get back to that in a few minutes, but basically, again, blue arrows, site access to the south, white arrow, site access to the north. Next slide. In this phase, so phase one is really the demolition and abatement. The buildings one, two, three and the ancillary structures that are attached to building one will also be abated. The ancillary structures will be demolished during this phase as well. And what is now the parking area behind building one and in that area will be the staging area for construction vehicles and materials. Next slide. This is just showing the phase where we actually demolish building two and replace the bridge, which is denoted by the yellow rectangle in the center of the screen there. You have a sense as to how far into the process we would be getting to phase two? I would say three months or so in, where we're still trying to work on those details at this point, develop a complete construction schedule. Phase three is the major construction at building four and building one and three as well. So during this phase, building one and three would be renovated. Building four would be erected. And the area behind building four, as you can see, it's in the green section there that'll be graded and the swell during this phase will be diverted from where it is today to this new squirrel area behind building four. Thank you. Phase four is just adding building two essentially. So in some ways we're trying to work our way out of the site, right? So we have access on the north side and we're sort of pulling our way towards the south building two is the last one that would be erected. And then if you change the slide, we have the, this is the signage and striping plan and I just try to put some bullet points on the side here designating no parking areas. These are all in response to questions and comments that were shared with us from the butters as well as the town and prior public meetings. And then just a final look at the finished product, landscape view of the 124 unit project. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Contreras, I wasn't sure if you had any questions specific to the construction plan. No, I had not, I just, we had had no information about it. And certainly in the few times where surveying trucks have come to the site to do some testing, I guess, in the parking lot, existing parking lot, it's been extremely disruptive. Again, there's a lot of traffic flow of industrial vehicles moving out at between seven and 9 a.m. from Rider Street. So I would just take seriously just how congested the rider and force intersection is going to be and again, we're not talking about small vehicles. I'm not concerned for like the workers working there and parking their vehicles in the designated lots. It's more that the heavy duty stuff competing with the DPW, the landscape in construction and electrical firms down on Rider. And at the time when school children are meandering down the road aimlessly. Thank you. Right. Mr. Nessie, I wasn't sure if you had a further question if your hand is just up from before. Yes. Can you hear me? I can. Good. I'm wondering, is the, are any of the buildings that are going to come down, do any of those buildings contain asbestos? And if they do, what steps are going to be taken to deal with that issue? And even if they do not contain asbestos, what steps if any are going to be taken to deal with the dust that's going to be generated as a result of the demolishing of the buildings and the construction of the new buildings? And one last question, what thought has been given to my right of way, which again, I reiterated earlier, was 13 feet wide with respect to construction vehicles traversing that right of way. If I could get a response to those questions, I'd appreciate it. Absolutely. Sure. I can respond now. Yes. Yes, there is asbestos in some areas of the building. It's actually been made a part of the public record when this PEL and the Chapter 40 application were submitted. So the buildings will be evaded in accordance with law and best management practices, of course. They'll be segregated from essentially you go in and you set up a tenting and you set up segregated areas to control the abatement activity. And then you haul the materials off-site and they're accepted in a landfill area that we will identify. As far as dust control goes, once the, when the buildings start to come down, the contractors typically, and we'll insist that they do this in this case, they use water to wet down the area. So after the buildings are completely evaded and it's safe to take them down, as they're coming down, they'll be sprayed with to mitigate the dust. And then as to your third point about the right-of-way, absolutely need to work with your plan. And we want to be, as Daniel had mentioned, as others had mentioned, we want to be good neighbors. We do need to use that driveway to get to our site. But we can look at different hours of operations and ways to handle that with you. What's the typical width of the vehicles that would be traversing the right-of-way? About eight to eight to about nine and a half feet. And that takes essentially from anything from a tractor trail or which is about eight and a half feet to a crane. You're trying to have a tractor trailer come down that right-of-way? It's possible. We don't have all the details as yet though. I would want to register my objection to that right off the bat, the members of the zoning board of appeal. The largest vehicle, but whatever. And that's something that might incite me to do something in terms of taking some further action, all right? If a tractor trailer comes down that right-of-way. Mr. Enesi, if somebody was to, when people are in the phase of moving in, if there was a moving truck, would that be a similar concern of yours? Somebody moving in where? Moving into the finished development after its completion. Well, if they're moving in, there are different ways they can come down to the site. They can come down Quinn Road. Depending upon the width of the truck, I don't know what the width of a moving truck would be. If the moving truck is not a tractor trailer, not an 18-wheeler, okay, and is able to traverse that right-of-way safely without hitting any of the Myra Qayonde vehicles or any vehicles exiting or entering my parking lot, then I certainly would not have a problem with that. But again, I don't know what the width of a moving truck would be, but I certainly would not have a problem with folks moving into the complex if in fact it can be done safely. Thank you. Mr. Boucher, I want to interview anything further. No, I think that as it relates to the tractor trailer issue, I mean, I brought that up as a worst case, right? So we, and it would be at a very limited time that we would need to use something of that size. And I'm thinking basically a steel delivery. And there are anywhere from I think 43 feet to 53. So there's, you know, 53 is the worst case scenario. So I'd like to just state that for the record. Have you looked at all as to whether it's possible to move a, for a large articulated truck like that to navigate from the Quinn street side to the construction site? We would actually be looking at that as an option as well. I haven't done the turning radiuses or turning movements yet, but yeah, we definitely be looking at that as an option. And I think a key litmus test here is the largest apparatus that the town operates in their life safety firefighting equipment has more than enough clearance to come down the MASSF connector driveway into the site and circle back out. We've tested those movements and the fire department has verified that. Thank you. Mr. Nessie, was there anything further? Was there anything else? No, I'm all set. Thank you. All right, thank you. Ms. Weber? Yeah, I would just request that Ryder doesn't receive the large vehicle access coming down our street. We have enough already. And where resources can be recycled, I would hope that you would do that. There's avenues to do that through Boston building resources and other areas. And I would request that the middle school principals would be included as part of the butters just to let the middle schoolers know what's happening in their migration corridor. Thank you, I appreciate that. And just sort of thinking a little further along those lines if there were other people in the neighborhood who wanted to be included on that email list would they be allowed to subscribe to it? Absolutely. Ms. Contreras? Hi, just for a point of information in the seven years that I've worked right at the intersection of Ryder Street and along the intersection to the development our house has been hit four times by a tractor trailer truck trying to egress the property of the development to take the left onto Ryder. So it's not 100% foolproof. I'm glad that safety vehicles, large ones can get through here but our property has received damage to our house and to other parts of our property. So this isn't 100% foolproof. I appreciate that, yeah. And as Daniel mentioned before we would be doing a survey of the budding properties you know, video survey, photographic survey to make sure that we have a baseline. And I can promise you if there's a truck coming in people are gonna be real careful about it because it won't be to our benefit to have there be problems that come from that. Correct. Nope. Mr. T is here. I guess one quick question we had is that this past winter when they were doing a little bit of site excavation there was a very large excavator track vehicle that came down Ryder Street and the amount of vibration came that came from that was really something like I haven't experienced before even living on this street. Is it possible to have all kind of tracked vehicles avoid our street and or monitor the vibrations on our house because some of our foundation is loose stone foundation. So I don't think photographic evidence would be sufficient to account for any damage associated with vibration. Yeah, let us look into that the vibration monitoring piece with a general contractor. As far as vehicle access, what we'll do is obviously we need to speak with the general contractor about that and try to mitigate large vehicles as much as possible. However, there is a time where large vehicles will need to go down Ryder because the bridge will need to be replaced. And so until the bridge is replaced and the roadway is widened we need to have access to that north side of Milbrook. Is there any way to access the site other than from the Ryder Street entrance and essentially from where the bridge, is it possible to access the site from any of the adjacent property either from the Lollacotta property or from one of the other Myrack properties? I don't know. I wouldn't want to hazard a guess there. Has that been investigated, I guess, as a question? Well, I mean, with all due respect those properties are not part of the development and they're being used for their own going concerns and operations. And so the questions have been asked but no one has said, sure, you can drive over our site. So that... Mr. Chair? Yes, please. Hi, this is Peter Mardianos from 17 Beck Road. Ah, okay. If I may chime in, sorry, I haven't been able to speak for some reason every time I'm on this. I can't seem to get my hand raised on this. Oh no. Sorry, but here we go. So just to add into that, what was just said, I don't think anybody on Beck Road would agree to that. Many new traffic coming down this way is already a burden in itself. We've got heavy trucking down here daily. But like I've said in the previous meetings, I had helped organize getting this whole road repaved down here and already it's coming up and it's only been a few years. But just to add to that. And then also the other thing was at the previous meeting, I mentioned that I asked the applicant if they had any way of being able to identify any of the tenants coming down the Beck Road area. I know I've mentioned all that about like maybe doing something also in the raised pavement area down by where it meets Ryder. But I haven't heard anything on that. So I'm curious to know how we're gonna be able to identify people that take a right onto Ryder and then make their way down Beck Road when they see the traffic jam. So I'm still waiting to hear on that. And then also earlier mentioned in the meeting, the stormwater that was mentioned earlier. Just curious on the way of the piping on that and the design and how that will be safely drained into the mill brook. To take the, I guess the first question for Mr. St. Clair in regards to having a left turn only like he enters the Ryder Street, what kind of measures can the management take to monitor right turning traffic and how do we sort of work to try to prevent that? Well, I think if there was a problem with if there's a noticeable increase in traffic then I'm sure we'll hear from Peter and others that live on Beck Road and the folks who live at the property or work at the property will be able to identify and know who our tenants are and their vehicles and we'll be able to figure that out, I think from an operational perspective, there will be someone at the property to address concerns as they come up. And I really don't think there's any reason why someone would drive to go out and take a right on Ryder Street and then elect left on Beck Road unless they just want to sightsee and I don't suppose that's illegal for somebody to do that but I don't think that there's no indication there's any desire or demand for additional traffic to go in that direction. And certainly if people are parking, we've made a, even though I guess legally it might not be something that is as black and white but we've certainly made it clear that we will be sure that there is action taken on our part of people who are parking on Ryder or Beck Road and that will be on the leases and it'll be, we will have the ability to directly monitor that. I see, so as I said earlier though that there's no way of really being able to identify those people. I see if we see a consistent car over and over then obviously it's a new car that's something to be mindful of but it would be a lot easier so that way I'm not having to police the road every night because we do get new vehicles down here all the time but it would be really helpful to be able to identify these vehicles that I've seen it in many new developments where people are required to show a parking pass I'm sure they're supposed to have something so there should be something that the vehicle could have as an identifying marker that way I'd be able to say okay, yep, nope, that's clearly one of them that's got visible sticker on the front something and I think that would be really helpful for us, especially on back road to be able to see that and that would lessen, I guess, everyone's workload if you will. Thank you. Your other question was regards to stormwater and I do have the stormwater plan here. If I put this up on the screen if there's someone who could describe what we're seeing. Yep, I can describe it, I guess and are we talking about just the new area? Are we talking about the stormwater from the entire site or? I think just sort of addressing how stormwater is making it basically from the surface to where it's going. Okay, I mean, essentially there's a series of catch basins and manholes that collect stormwater from the site including all paved portions of the site and they eventually, you know, they go through a series of underground pipes and manholes and eventually discharged to Millbrook and we've designed it so that there'll be a decrease in runoff rates and volumes when compared to the existing condition because in the existing condition today everything does go to Millbrook so we're just maintaining that but really improving upon that existing condition by providing a more pervious or landscaped areas as part of the development. And then also in the parking garage area, that drainage, does that tie into this? It does, so right, that just the open air portion of that parking lot does tie into the storm drain system and again, it does discharge to Millbrook. It does, is there a sand or oil separator piped in? There's a, yes, there is a water quality unit associated with that stormwater collected from that area, yes. So that is a sand and oil separator then? So the sand and oil separator will be within the interior of the garage which will then connect to the sewer system. The area that we're talking about is just a water quality unit that collects runoff from those seven parking spaces and discharges to Millbrook. Okay, yeah, I just wanna be clear on that only because I know that if it's the drainage for the parking lot, I believe it is supposed to be piped into a sand and oil separator before it ties into any sanitary sewer system. So just a concern we have down here. Thank you. I think that answers most of my questions there, Mr. Chair. Thank you, sir. Are there further questions from the public at this time? Around going once, going twice? Seeing none, oh. No, I would just like, thank you. I would just like to offer up my tree in my yard to monitor traffic if need be, to put a video camera and monitor the traffic from there so it wouldn't be on the residents. Okay, I will go ahead and close the public comment for this hearing or for this session of this hearing. So we certainly have a bunch of comments. I will work to pull these together and distribute them back to the applicant. And there's also some questions that I think we have going forward to the town. Appreciate Ms. Linnemove typing, this is the background to Daniel to respond to questions in regards to both vehicular and bicycle and pedestrian traffic. And I'll follow back up with the town in regards to trying to come up with a way to improve pedestrian safety along Ryder Street. Certainly sounds both once the project is open, but specifically during the construction period that there is definite concerns in regards to access to the construction site that coincides with the movement of school children in the morning on Ryder Street. And that's something we should definitely try to include in the construction plan how to address that and whether that means that the construction access is not used during the school commuting hours in the morning and the afternoon, or whether there's some other form of accommodation we can make. And then also trying to come up, I think it would be good to do some research into trying to determine whether it is viable going from, it's a Quincy Street to make the turn into the construction site and make sure that that's a viable turn to try to limit the use of the straight right away off of Mass Ave. But obviously that straight right away off of Mass Ave will be the most convenient, most direct, excuse me, path for for loads coming down into the construction site during that construction period. Were there any other comments from the board, Mr. Revlak? Yeah, and I empathize with the concern over construction vehicle vibration. Last summer, the town redid sidewalks on my street, which is, I mean, it's clearly a much smaller project, but during the period of weeks and probably a period of a few months where this took place, just to put into sidewalk, you need tracked vehicles and excavators and 10-yard dump trucks. And when they go by, you feel it. And working at home every day, I kind of, I had the opportunity to feel it, but it is the downside of construction and it is inconvenient, but yeah, so I'll just offer some empathies there. It's, if it provides any help, my house survived the vibrations just fine. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hanlon. I just like to thank everybody concerned tonight for the constructive conversation. It is true that we're just really in some way starting on the actual plan of construction. And I would like to compliment the applicant really for devising a plan that involves the residents and other interested people in the community on a regular basis going forward because there isn't any way to resolve this once and for all by decisions taken at the beginning. It will require a constant cooperation in order to be able to see things that are going wrong and to get them fixed and to make sure that it all works well. And I thought that the plan that Mr. Boucher outlined in that regard was a model and I wish we saw something like that more often. Thank you. Is there any further questions? Mr. Boucher. Yes. I have a question and a comment and it has to do with, you know, guest parking. It's a challenge for both sides, you know, the neighborhood and the owner. And I wanted to, I'll start with the question and then I'll get with maybe a suggestion or a comment. How many guest parking spots are there on the property right now? Six. There'll be six. Six. For overnight guest parking. Overnight guest parking, thanks. So I was looking at the plan, the first floor plan dated last June, I believe. And I'm wondering if there's been any consideration given to make the first 10 spots as you enter the parking garage, guest parking. So I've seen it on a bunch of other plans where you make part of the underground or not the underground, but the covered parking, guest parking and I get that it would require moving the card reader in board as opposed to right at the gate. But it, and I also understand that it's gonna take, could take away some of the, you know, parking that you already have accounted for. But given the challenges associated with guest parking and the control of trying to control the guest parking, I feel like it would be worth considering considering trying to do that. So there's two questions and perhaps it's for Mr. Bargman or is that, is it possible or has it been considered to consider the first 10 spots as you enter the garage for guest parking? And my second comment would be in order to try to help close the divide on or make up the difference rather for giving up some of these guest parking spots, giving up some of the permanent parking spots as guest parking spots, maximizing the number of compact spots. I think Ms. O'Connor mentioned that, you know, right now you're below the threshold on how many get compacts that you're using, making more compact parking spots. And I know that's, I mean, nobody wants to park in a compact spot, I get it. That's more of a burden on the residents, but it may kind of, it would provide some of that parking. And in order to look at the plan, the plan that you might wanna reference is A004, first floor plan. This is Joel Bargman. I can answer the second question that the adding additional compact spaces wouldn't add additional parking spaces to the plan because the parking spaces for the most part work between the column grid of the garage. And so if you pick up a foot or so for a compact space, it's negated once you hit the column because it's not cumulative across the garage. So I will say that we've netted out the maximum number of spaces in the garage with the current layout and additional compacts would not increase the count. Mr. Bargman, in response to that, I would imagine that the columns probably are not fixed yet and could adjust without too much impact. Well, to get an additional space out of a compact space, you need a run of eight. So you have to take one foot out of eight spaces to get an additional. So that would mean that you have a 64 foot column span which should be far in excess of what you could do with this type of construction. I disagree, but because you can, that's, I'm a structural engineer. So I'm not, I'm certain that you could come up with a column layout that works with a compact spacing. I'm not, I guess I'm not here to argue that. I'm simply trying to help or ask if these have been considered to try to solve, solve some of the primary, one of the challenges rather on the site. Well, Mr. Ford, I think that we did address that when we went to the police department because there's six guest parking spaces and there are, we have determined there are eight on Mass Ave that the town will permit us to use. So that's 14 and that's well in excess based on the data we have from the other sites that are necessary for overnight guest parking. Fair enough, Mr. O'Connor, but, but unless I've totally misheard some of the concerns by the neighbors is that guest parking is going to be an issue particularly it's going to land on their street and a whole lot of discussion has happened about can we have toes on that adjacent street and I'm sorry if I don't remember the name of that street but there is an issue of guest parking. So whether, whether I'm not, I'm not saying you haven't complied with the rules. I mean, you guys have done a great job. I'll just, I'll give it, give you that. I'm simply trying to address the challenge and I'm looking at the parking plan under your building and thinking, you know, has it been considered to, you know, in order to try to maybe relieve some of the anxiety around the guest parking and put more of the control of the guest parking under your own roofs, literally and figuratively, you know, consider maybe making those first 10 spots that are dark in the dark shaded areas, guest parking and that would require moving the key card in board and you would lose it, I get it, but it might help solve some of the neighbors concerns. I just want to clarify that there's, there's six spaces during the weekdays in the middle of the day. And that's the guests and all of our monitoring of other projects that have guest, the guest visits are very short during that time of day. They're, you know, five minutes, 10 minutes, almost never more than an hour. And so we have more than enough spaces then. At night, we have 18 spaces and on the weekends we have 28. So we're not talking about six spaces for overnight. Now, you raise an interesting comment about taking the guests into the garage. I don't know, my, I thought about it a bit before just responding, but it seems to me that if guest parking is there, they're less likely to drive into a garage. They're more likely to park in a surface space and we have surface spaces for that, but we're not designating whether guest spaces are just surface or just in the garage. The guest spaces have to be registered with the operating company. So the project manager. So the project manager will determine at that point in time where that space is best utilized. So, and we have full control over the parking on our site that's not under the building and in the building. So we have the greatest flexibility. People are not gonna be allowed just to drive up, park and walk and go look at the Mill Brook or whatever if, unless they have registered to be a guest at the residence, it's a private property and it's not a free parking lot. Any further Mr. Ford? No, thanks. Thank you. So for the board, so our next steps on this project and I think we are, there are definitely details that we still wanna wanna work out and that we need to work our way through. And there are definitely some things that I think we will, they're more likely to be registered as sort of conditions going forward rather than specifically as things that we, we necessarily need to have resolved before we close the hearing. We do have outstanding comments coming in still from the town and obviously we still need some time to review through this package. My recommendation to us is that we, at the end of the hearing this evening that we continue until the 15th of June to the results time to sort of come to sort of resolution on a couple of things and to finish up a chance to review the documents and submit any further questions we may have to the applicant. With that in mind, are there specific questions and concerns that either the board wishes to raise at this time or that beta would like to raise at this time or if there are specific things that the applicant is looking for a specific direction on that they would like us to pay attention to next meeting? Anything? Mr. Chairman. Just, it's Pat. So that's the particular that he thinks we should put some focus in on as well. Yeah, I was thinking that the one thing that I would, I don't have that. So in a way I may be out of order, but as the applicant thinks of the things that they do want to address, I would like to encourage them to address them at least three days before the next hearing because there's just a limit to the amount that we can absorb in a couple of hours, which is what we did tonight. And we're getting near the end and we just need the time to be able to see what you're doing. And it would be helpful if you could focus your attention on the things that are most important and so that we at least have a leg up on being able to get down to the wire quite soon. Thank you for having us. Mr. Havardy, did you have anything in particular you thought we should address or focus on? No, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Unless there's anything else, I think we'll take a motion to continue. Chairman. I move that this proceeding be continued to a date certain of June 15th to begin at 7.30. 7.30 p.m. Yes. Second. The motion before us is to continue this hearing to Tuesday, June 15th, 2021 at 7.30 p.m. Mr. Dupont. Hi. Mr. Hanlon. Hi. Mr. Bells. Hi. Bells maybe. Mr. Ravillac. Hi. Mr. Ford. Hi. And the chair votes aye. We are continued on 1165 on Mass App. Thank you all very much. Thank you as well. Thank you. You're welcome. Chairman Klein. If I may just add, we do not know yet at this point if we will be in person on the 15th. That's a very good point. Just something to be aware of. We're still awaiting state guidance, but at this point it seems like as of the 15th meetings will be in person. Thank you for that. Yes. There are three bills currently in front of the state. The House and the Senate both have bills looking to come up with a plan and then Governor Baker has basically put in legislation, I think seeking to extend the current period to give the other bodies an opportunity to actually complete their work. So hopefully that will, we'll be hearing from the state on those. But otherwise, if barring that, as Ms. Landau said by June 15th, we are supposed to be fully in person. Or at least back under the original guidance, the original rules for open meeting. So I'll have to figure that one out. So this brings us back to item number two on our docket, which is the final vote on the decision for 34 Marathon Street, docket number 3655. This was one where we took the preliminary vote at a prior hearing. We have before us the decision written by Mr. Mr. Hanlon. I know that it's gone around and there were a few comments Mr. Hanlon has completed and put into the record ahead of this meeting. Are there any further questions or comments in regards to that decision? May I have a motion to approve the decision for 34 Marathon Street? Mr. Chairman. Yes, Mr. Hanlon. So moved. Thank you, a second. Second. Thank you, Mr. Mills. Mr. Dupont. Aye. Mr. Hanlon. Aye. Mr. Mills. Aye. Mr. Ford. Aye. And the chair votes aye. So that is approval that is a decision for 34 Marathon Street. And then before we adjourn just to review the upcoming meetings and milestones before the board. So our next hearing will be Thursday, June 10th at 7.30 p.m. Still over Zoom, which is a continuance of Thurndyke Place. Following that, our next meeting would be Tuesday, June 15th at 7.30 p.m. There'll be a continuance of 83 Palmer Street and also now a continuance of 1165 or Massachusetts Avenue. And as we discussed, it may be over Zoom. It may be in person. It may be some hybrid of the two. We're not quite sure. Then after that, Thursday, June 24th, we don't have anything scheduled for that date yet, but that would be the next logical date for the hearing on Thurndyke Place should it continue. So if we could just pencil that in on our calendars. And then we have beyond that, we just have the two milestone dates, Friday, June 25th. It's the close of the public hearing for Thurndyke Place. And July 2nd is the close of the public hearing on 1165 or Massachusetts Avenue. And that is all the dates I have for us at the moment. So with that, thank you all for your participation in tonight's meeting of the Arlington Zoning Board of Appeals. Appreciate everyone's patience throughout the meeting. Especially wish to thank Rick Valerelli, Vincent Lee, and Kelly Lanema for all their assistance and preparing for and hosting this online meeting. Please note the purpose of the board's reporting is to ensure that creation of an accurate record of the proceedings. As our understanding, the reporting made by ACMI will be made available on demand at acmi.tv. If anyone has comments or recommendations, please send them via email to zda.town.arlington.ma.us. That email address is also listed on the ZBA website. Unless there's anything further, I will take a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Mr. Dupont. Mr. Hanlon. Aye. Mr. Mills. Aye. Mr. Revillak. Aye. Mr. Ford. Aye. And the chair votes aye. We are adjourned. Thank you all very much. Thank you. For everything this evening. Got a lot of good reading in front of us. And for those of you on town meeting, we'll see you tomorrow night. See you tomorrow night. How much time can you have? I said that after far too many meetings. Hey, we can always meet on Saturdays for town meeting. There we go. It's been proposed. There we go. It's been proposed. Mr. Mills, do not push your luck, please. No. No. You'll be from the back of Val's boat. All right, good night, everybody. Good night, guys. Good evening. All right, have a good night, everybody. Take care.