 You really can't mess it up So you don't have to be concerned that you could screw it up Or people have said to me what happens if I make it back to heaven and I screw it up again, you know It's like screw it up in the first place You can't screw it up again because you never screwed it up in the first place, you know, that's that's how free we are Really free Is where does the The fact that it's not real start and stop as far as what he's saying in In the car, I just like to know that if if you're a surgeon you're operating on me And it is someone's driving along in front of me that they're connected That's all that would be enough Connected well the pilot that's everything that's going to fly up my instead. They're actually Today is a good day and I'm not going to fight the pilot in the ground My number of difference But but there is still a degree of practicality that have to be We own if have to be the right way But then is being absurd and the insanity of what's happening here is just so So clear and by people punching punching each other in the face And the spiritual retreat is just like that's completely insane So what thought system would do that? They did that on the supposed trying Jesus to But it's still when you take a car On the road you don't drive down the road wondering if the guy which each person that crosses in front of you Is going to drive into you trust and the end It's just like I said with relationship that Relationship has been called mysterious You know a lot of people I know that will say the more I Look at and examine and explore it go into the topic of relationship the more mysterious it gets It doesn't get clearer. They'll tell me it gets more mysterious Like it's something super mysterious and I would say it's the same with this world that Where does all this leave? Where is it all heading? You know, I mean really let's just take the topic of practicality if somebody asked me And let's leave heaven out of this Let's leave heaven and Nirvana because that's just purely abstract Nobody has seen the Holy Spirit perceived the Holy Spirit nobody's seen God and when you talk about heaven you can talk about happiness and joy and oneness, but For most we could say people in the world they've come to a state of okay, that's still speculation It sounds kind of good Eternity eternal happiness and joy, but let's be real here. Let's talk about practicalities but what if I said that the most practical Experience you could have that still relates to this world That still relates to this world. I'm not talking about abstraction But the most practical Experience you could have that still relates to this world is simply to see everything as symbolic when you read a fairy tale and You you kind of go okay. What's the punchline? What's what's the point of the fairy tale there? You only want to have a point, you know, even with Goldilocks Even with Cinderella or Peter Pan or or Pocahontas or on and on and on You know, we like our stories, but we like to have there to be a point And what if I told you that the point was to see the world as completely symbolic like a fairy tale In other words, what happens is the mind is in the bad habit The ego habit of dividing the world up You know, if I was saying it's all symbolic Then I would say if you can see it that way it will bring you peace But as long as you keep dividing the world up Into the good illusions and the bad illusions or the real ones and the unreal ones I mean, if you go into a bookstore and you walk through the categories I'll guarantee you there's different ones, but a couple of the categories are fiction and nonfiction and I say What makes you think you can tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction When you talk about dreams at night, you know, when you say, oh my god, I had a nightmare last night It was that was really crazy. It was Disorienting and it was frightening and it's in this book. Thank God. It was just a dream What makes you think? That the daytime experience is any different from those dreams at night You still have the reactions at the dreams at night, you know, you still have the if you're getting chased in the nighttime dream you still have the pounding heart like you have in the daytime dream and And I've watched that. I mean I use that example a lot where I have a friend Jimmy Twarman who wrote a book about the silent brotherhood and over in Kosovo and and so on and so forth and and he He did his book and then at some point after that a controversy arose was, you know, did he just make the whole Book up, you know about the silent brotherhood and his experiences over in Europe and Meeting them and them sitting in silence to save the world and everything or was that was he just Making it up. Marla Morgan did that with her book Mutant Message Down Under She went down, walked about on with the Aborigines, came back to the United States, started going to the churches and started presenting it in workshops and then this huge controversy arose. Did she just make this whole playing up about going down to of the Outback in Australia and made up the whole story which was kind of a dramatic story about telepathy, about letting go of everything that you believe and all self concepts and images and having no secrets That's what the Aborigines were teaching her and now with Gary Renard another friend of mine who writes a book and Disappearance of the Universe does another one, he's got a third one on the way and there was a big course of miracles controversy saying some people coming out well respected so-called teachers saying he's a big liar He did not really have ascended masters coming to sit on his couch in Maine. He made the whole thing up What I'm just saying to everybody is are you willing to open up to the experience that all of it is fiction and What if that's the most practical thing? In other words, instead of thinking, okay, I've got a doctor here or I've got a surgeon and I hope they're competent and they know what they're doing or I have a I'm taking a plane flight and I hope that pilot is competent, is well trained and is a good state of mind that's still putting it out there as if these are characters that are real, that you're in a real situation with real characters and you're concerned about the motives of these other characters. Do they mean me well or are they bizarre, are they going to freak out on me and might I die? But that I that would ask the question that I that's concerned that the surgeon is competent, that the pilot is competent, that they didn't put poison in my food. One night we were here and they're like, they're joking about putting poison in my food and I just gave Christian a big hug because it's like, it's symbols, these are symbols Poison is funny in a fairy tale. It's not funny in if you believe that it's real. That's not a funny thought. That's what they call sick humor It's kind of like dark, dark humor, really dark and so and you know they make movies about dark humor and this and this but what I'm just saying is if you go deeper with Jesus and you keep following him all the way down or with Dr. Hugh Lynn or anyone who's doing this, you will have to get down to a point where you have to entertain the idea that if it's all fiction, if it's all symbols that you're safe.