 hosting a town hall for the folks at 6pm. So if you want to ask more questions or if you'd like to attend to receive it, so the information will be on our website. Chief Walbridge, thanks again for your time. Thank you, Mayor. Okay, we're now moving on to item three, a report out on closed session. Samantha? Thank you, Mayor Brooks. The council held closed session on the two items on the agenda and direction was given to staff. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we're gonna move on to item four, additional materials. Do we have any additional material submitted to the city after the packet was distributed? Yes, there were two additional materials. One was received regarding item nine A, the review of the memorial program, and the second was regarding item nine D, the budget principle and role of the item. Great, thank you. Okay, now we're gonna move on to item five, additions and deletions to the agenda. The... That changes the seating. Okay, fantastic. We'll go ahead and move on to then item six for public comments. This is for items not on tonight's agenda. I'll turn this over to staff to moderate if we have any questions from the public or comments. Mayor Brooks, I do not see anybody on the Zoom meeting with their hand raised talk, and I do not see any emails on public comment. Okay, I'm gonna turn this over to Chloe real quick to go ahead and make a comment about going back live. Chloe, do you wanna make that announcement, or James? Oh, yeah, sure. I believe we went live for CCTV where we're not on. Do you wanna just make that announcement? This way, I'm not sure that we have been officially broadcast at this time, but the meeting is being recorded. The part I got was that we were back online. Okay, wonderful. So I'm alone here on Chambers Unaware. So we are live and online. Yes, the Charter Communications Cable TV Channel 8. We are being recorded and will be rebroadcast on the following Wednesday at 8 a.m. And on Saturday following that first rebroadcast at 1 p.m. on Charter Channel 71 and Comcast Channel 25. And like mentioned earlier, the meeting is being recorded and will be available starting tomorrow on our website as well. Thank you. Sorry for the confusion. No, I apologize for just getting, just going with it. Sorry, you did great. Thank you for jumping in on that one. All right, we're gonna move to item seven. This is for city council and staff comments. I'm gonna go ahead and start with staff. Does staff have any comments at this time? The only comment I would just like to make is that as a county, we've moved into the 1B vaccination tiers, which includes a number of different occupations, including food occupations, as well as occupations associated with child care teachers. So if you work in one of those professions and you'd like to get a vaccine, if you want to get information about how to do so, we have a link on our website, which will take you to a clearinghouse that the county maintains to get you information. I do know vaccine supplies are extremely limited at this point. So it does take some persistence, but I've heard from a number of people who have gotten vaccines. So if you're interested in doing it, I would encourage everybody to give it their best. Well said. Do we have any city council comments? Vice Mayor Story. Thank you, Mayor. I wanted to report back from my very first meeting of the Monterey Bay Air Resources District. I was pleased to be nominated based on Mayor Brooks's suggestion by the City of Santa Cruz mayor that I represent the City of Santa Cruz on the Air Resources Board. And I just want to report, I went to my first meeting on February the 17th. And for many of you that may not be aware the Air Resources Board is a tri-county body that manages the particular and ozone in the air in the Bay Area. And so if you ever have any issues with that, be sure to look up the Monterey Bay Air Resources District. And at this particular meeting, we didn't, the only issues that we discussed were relevant to Monterey County. And other than we did get a report on our air quality and as we all are aware, our air quality is excellent and far it's the state standards. And so thank you. That's my report. Thank you, Vice Mayor Story. You got me on that one. I see Council Member Peterson-Sanri. Thank you, Mayor Brooks. Much like Vice Mayor Story, I just wanted to give a quick report on one of the committees that I participate in on behalf of the council. A couple meetings ago, I was appointed as the council's representative to the Criminal Justice Council of Santa Cruz County. We had our first meeting or at least the first meeting I was part of recently. Great group of people. Our Chief McMannus is part of that as well. And at that meeting, I volunteered to participate in a new subcommittee of the group that's going to be looking at policy, criminal justice policy throughout Santa Cruz County. And if I'm not mistaken, and Chief, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you are also on that committee as well as former Santa Cruz Mayor Justin Cummings and community activists and advocates, Joy Flynn who I've also worked with on hosting some independent community meetings around racial justice and equity. So it's going to be a really good group. Supervisor Friend is on it as well. It's going to be a really great group of people and we're looking forward to working with everyone and continuing to work with Chief McMannus on this particular group. And I'd be happy to pass it over to Chief McMannus if he has any comments on that as well. Yeah, thank you, Council Member Peterson. And I appreciate you mentioning the work that has gone on and it's going to continue with that criminal justice council. And you are correct. Myself representing law and the undershare of Mitch Medina are the members from the regular CJC who have been volunteered and looking forward to spitting on the subgroup that you mentioned in your piece. So thank you for the recognition and thank you for mentioning that, Council Member. I see Council Member Bertrand, Henry. Yeah, I'm going to have a little problem with one comment. I have two comments to make and Mary could advise me as how to proceed on the second comment. I'm on the sanitation board and we recently received our annual report on activities. And I asked Matt Machado who's the engineer in charge of that particular division as he is for the whole county to come up with a presentation for our board if appropriate. So he's going to contact you, Jamie and see if something can be worked out. Very anxious to do a presentation which shouldn't take long but that's up to you in scheduling. So the other thing I want to comment on is last meeting in the comments from city council I made about three different comments. One was capture, two weren't. And the one that I thought was very important was the fact that our budget has relaxed a little bit and I wanted to have the board address funding for nonprofits. So that's what I made at that point. And you know, that was received well so I'd like that captured in the meeting minutes and so I don't know if I should talk about it now but what I would like to do is as I said then have that be brought back to city council. I'm not too sure that I'm for the old committee arrangement that we used to have if that continues, I'd like to be a member of that as well, but I like this whole thing brought back to city council so we could decide how to move forward. Thank you. Thank you council member Bertrand. What I would suggest is maybe mentioning that again on item a little bit later on the agenda you might have an opportunity to do so. So we would like to suggest. Yeah, so you might get an opportunity to talk about that again on item nine when we go over our principles. Bring that up at nine instead. Okay, so don't bring it up correcting city minutes. And now we'll go. If there's no other council comments we'll move on to item eight for consent calendar. And this is all items listed on the consent calendar will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion on these items prior to the time council votes on the action of members of the city council to request specific items to be discussed for separate review. I'm gonna take liberty to suggest that if there is a council member that makes this motion to include council member Bertrand's amendments if possible. So now that that's okay, okay, great. So if we can have a motion to include council member Bertrand's edits to the item eight eight for the minute. Do I have a motion? Thank you, mayor. I'll make that motion to include the edits as detailed by the mayor. And so is the motion to adopt a consent calendar with the alteration to the minutes as indicated for item eight eight? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm just concurring with the mayor and so I'm making that motion. Great, thanks, vice mayor, story. Okay, so that item eight consent calendar passes with the edits to the minutes. We'll move on to item nine for general government. Nine A, review the memorial program and the recommended action tonight is to provide direction. Mayor Brooks, I'm sorry to interrupt. We take a vote on the consent. Oh my gosh, I just skipped all over you guys. I was too excited about mailing that first one down. Okay, so let's bring it up to roll call for item eight, consent calendar. Chloe, this is such a team effort. I appreciate your support. Okay, so now we'll move on to item nine A and I'll turn this to staff. Good evening, Mayor Brooks, council members. I'm going to talk about our memorial program. I'm going to share the screen. Hopefully this will go quickly. And see my screen, okay, the memorial program. Do you see the memorial program screen? I wanna make sure. Okay, great, thank you. So we're here to talk about the memorial program. The reason we're mainly talking about this is we'll talk about later is we're almost out of approved location spaces. I want to kind of give a history of where this memorial program came from. It began back in the 1990s primarily to defray and help pay for the purchase of benches in the city. You see benches are installed in the Esplanade, the village, the wharf parks, including things like the kind of the prospect park, you know, as well as Jade Street and places like that. At the time, we have a quite a big file, each bench request came to the city council for approval. In 2002, the city approved kind of a more comprehensive memorial program. The truth was at that time, we were getting close to the end of benches. So they added things, but the way they did it, the council approved the policy is council approved location, general locations for benches, say the wharf, plaques on the depot hill and the number of spaces. Staff then processed those requests for the approved locations kind of on a first come, first serve basis. No more individual requests were not coming to the council at that point. When the program was added, it kind of broadened out to include memorial plaques, not just benches. So again, the original purpose was to pay for the benches. It became so popular. Honestly, I wasn't here at the time, but I can imagine it was an option to offer more possibilities for memorials in the city. Primarily, as far as numbers along the wharf, if you've been out the last time you looked at the wharf, along the railing there, as well as the railing along Grand Avenue on depot hill. Currently, the memorial program, if you include all the plaques and benches, lights, we do some lampposts in the village. Plaques, we have almost 500 memorial spaces out there. About half of those are benches. I think a little over 230 are benches. Right now, as I mentioned initially, the reason we're here is the approved memorial locations are basically almost full. All ocean view locations, which I'll get to have been taken, that is almost exclusively what people call about. The ocean, they start with things like, I wanna bench in the village, well, at this point we don't have any, they go to the wharf. So the last couple of years, we've been kind of directing people to the railing on depot hill, and that's filled up too. Right now, there are some available spaces. We have some benches in the parks, primarily in Jade Street Park. We have about five, I think, and we have a couple up at the McGregor multi-use park. But that's about it. A few years ago, we actually had a few benches that were destroyed during an El Nino event, remember when it rained. They were destroyed. A couple of people didn't want to replace them. They no longer were coming to the capitol and decided to do it. So the council approved a lottery procedure for that because unfortunately, if we were, well fortunately, or unfortunately, if we were to have approved all the bench requests for the village over the last few years, we probably have about another 75 to 100 benches in the village. So there's a big demand. That's, there's a lot of people that want benches down there. As I mentioned, primarily once in a while we'll get a request for a park if someone had a very strong tie to it, but 90% of the requests are for a location with an ocean view. And that's why the last area that we filled up was the railing on Depot Hill, because that was kind of the last place we had that people could go out and see, remember their loved ones and see the ocean as well. So one of the things we've looked at is potential areas for expansion. Staff has identified really three potential areas that would allow the program to kind of grow for a few years. Clearly it's not the same numbers that would not get in 500, but we have some potential locations. There is a railing that overlooks Capitol Village and the ocean along Cliff Avenue and Depot Hill. So that is a newer railing that came into, that was built after the Grand Avenue railing, bless you. And so this is a potential location that is probably in the multiple dozens of potential spaces, maybe 25 or 30. Generally what we've allowed is a person kind of gets the space in between the posts. So usually eight to 12 feet. We do allow that person, if they want to put another one for a family member, they can have two, but that's where we limit it because it becomes too much. So generally each person gets access to the railing in between the posts. So that's where we kind of get our numbers from. Another location is the wooden railing on Cliff Drive, not Cliff Avenue, Cliff Drive. And so you see, this is kind of the start of that area as it overlooks the work again. Great ocean view location, as we'll talk about later. There's potentially some issues there as well, but there, I think I figured that was in the neighborhood of 50 potential spaces there. The other location we kind of addressed right off the bat is we do have this, which is a result of some work we had to do. This is another potential location. It's clearly next to the ocean. It does have the ability to, we can put the same sort of plaques in there as well. It was just kind of the third option we had. Truthfully, it's a more difficult location for sure. As we mentioned, the primary reason for us using those locations, they are next to the ocean. And that's clearly where the demand is. They all have kind of potential concerns. The Cliff Avenue, not Cliff Drive location in Depot Hill could possibly increase foot traffic as well as car traffic along that area, which is primarily residential. Currently, there are some benches there already for sure, so people use it. But if you were to add the number 25 or 30, I forgot the exact number of plaques, it could increase that number of people. Cliff Drive, the location, the amount of space available as you go further up Cliff Drive becomes a little more difficult because it's right up against the bike lane, which is right against the road. Not exactly as peaceful of a location to come see a memorial as Depot Hill or even the wharf, but it could be a subset up there that would be able to accommodate some that wouldn't be quite as busy. The Esplanade Park location may not be permanent. It was put there because of falling Cliff issues, and we all know that those don't necessarily stop. So it may be something that we have to adjust and possibly remove in the future. So that's something we can control. So that was one of the concerns there. One of the other places we do get quite a few requests for benches is the Prospect Bluff Park, which is on the other side of the railroad tracks, kind of overlooking the ocean. I just wanna mention that that is actually not city property, it is leased. And we were given right to access it. And as part of the original agreement, there were no more benches added. So if anything were to be added up there, we'd have to change our right to enter agreement with the person who actually leases it, I believe at this point from the RTC, but it's a very popular location as well. So one of the other issues is that, the amount of kind of real estate that the city has for these plaques would increase. So it may change the, as they kind of go up, either clip drive or clip out, it's just more and it's whether or not the council wants to go in that direction. One of the other options we looked at is, it's a multiple memorial option. And one of the kind of nearest places we had something similar to this was in C-clip at the end of the kind of past the campground before went into private area. There was a wall as this is kind of an older picture. The other option is possibly memorial pavers or bricks, just so you know, the chamber still has a brick program in the village. So there is, even if we didn't have that, there is an option there. The memorial wall option is C-clip wall is actually no longer there as far as I know, I haven't been down there a few years, but it was a controversial thing. But that would be another potential option to maybe not cover as much of city area with memorials, but kind of more of a concentrated location if that's the council's direction. One of the things, we honestly have not identified a ideal location for this. As we look at a lot of things down here, there's very limited free space, especially with near the ocean. Everything is pretty well used. So that would take a little while to figure out where the best location and you know, not by putting something up like that, not kind of impact other uses for that area. You know, one of the other things is depending on how it is, we may have to have someone outside city staff. Right now, all the city, the plaques are installed by the public works department. They can do the plaques on the wood. That's not a problem. But if we kind of change things, we're putting, you know, engraving or anything else into, you know, a wall or something like that, it may, we may have to have someone do that. One nice thing is that it could be done in kind of groups. We could, you know, I know for a fact that's what the chamber does, is they wait till they have X number before they go out and do it all at once. So it may not be as heavy of an impact as they are right now. You know, we get, we've gotten a lot. Actually, I mean, honestly, we've gotten a lot more interest in this since COVID started. I mean, I think people are spending more time down there and seeing them. So, you know, over the last year, the requests definitely have gone up. So that is an impact, especially on our public works department. So right now, what staff is looking for is kind of direction of how to proceed with the program. One option is to continue with the program until all the current spaces are filled and then either close it or come back to the council for further direction. We could look into kind of more detailed locations for expansion of the Memorial plaque program in a similar fashion, you know, plaques on, we find more bench locations, which is a little difficult because again, there's not a lot of extra room for those. Find other locations as we presented for plaque locations, you know, on railings, that sort of thing. Or investigate options for kind of a multiple Memorial installation. And so, as I mentioned, we're just kind of looking for direction to move forward. So if you want to continue, you know, if there's a preferred option for how to expand the program, we'll come back with that option for you. And that's the end of my presentation. If you're for any questions. Thank you, Larry. Do you have any questions from council? Council Member Peterson. Yeah, is there a difference in the price of these Memorial sites based on if they're a tree or a bench or if they're ocean view or not? Yeah, the prices are different between a plaque and a bench. Those are two, the two different. We don't change the price of the bench if it's at a park or is that Esplanade because the cost for maintaining and everything's the same for the city regardless of location. Okay, and I think you answered a question I had about the bricks in the village. So that's technically a chamber project, correct? So we couldn't, or do we list those as a memorial option in our, could we, even if it said, hey, this is a memorial option, but it's not from the city, it's through the chamber? You know, we actually used to do that with our memorial. We said, hey, if you are interested in a memorial brick or they call it a brick program, contact the chamber. Okay. Yeah, they, we had kind of put that a hold as the change was kind of dealing with the COVID issues. I believe they are ready to kind of start back up with that. So yes, that is definitely something we will, well, regardless, we'll be, if someone interested in there, we'll head in that direction. Great. And then my final question is these three options of where we could potentially add new memorial plaques, do we need to choose one? Or can we say, yeah, let's do all of these. You can do, you can give the direction with however you'd like. These were just the three, and there may be more, like I said, we, you know, I want, we wanted to get kind of what the council's overall direction was before we kind of dug into each, each location, these were kind of the three based on what we do now, as well as, as I mentioned over and over again, the desire to have an ocean view while doing this. Okay, and then, okay. My final question is the ceramic tiles along the sea wall in the village that people painted. I'm not sure if that was a chamber project or an art and cultural commission project or what that was, but is there any talk of doing something like that and adding it to our memorial program and finding a place where people could actually create their own ceramic tile in a, in a memorial space or wall, or has that been discussed at all? Cause I know we have a couple of different places in the city where we have those kind of painted tile art exhibits. That program was, was kind of in coordination with both the chamber as well as the art and cultural. And, and honestly, we hadn't looked at that as an option as of yet. Okay, cool. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor Story. Yeah, thank you. Larry, when we issue a plaque or even a bench, is this in perpetuity? The language is, as long as it is functional. So if, especially at the, this is, this is really more of a bench issue. When the bench no longer becomes useful, we give the, the, the, I would say owner, but whoever has the plaque, kind of the first right of refusal. And that's what we, that's how we ran into the, the lottery issue without the lot. We created the lottery because we had a couple of benches destroyed. I think there were five benches. Three ended up wanting new benches and two did not. And so we, we offered it to them. They said they didn't want it. And that's where the council agreed on this lottery process for that. So it's, you know, we, we don't, we don't give a 10 year or anything like that because truthfully, some of these benches are, are, are 25 years old at this point. We're not going to just replace them to replace them at this point. So. Right. Yeah. But the plaques are, they're, they're issues in perpetuity, short of destruction. Well, yeah, or if they don't want them anymore, like I said, if the bench, if the bench is no, yeah, the, right, the plaques themselves, as soon as, if they disappear, you know, which we've had a few, we give the folks an option to, to replace it. If they don't replace it, then it would, it would fall into the same sort of thing. Yeah. Okay. And my other question, I didn't notice on Grand Avenue our policy says that the plaques are to be at least eight feet apart. Is there a particular reason why eight feet was selected? Is there- I think that's the, that's the standard with, between the posts. To be honest, we have a couple of locations where that hasn't necessarily followed because we're trying to give, offer people these things. And there are some locations on Grand Avenue that we're not putting available because of they're completely obscured by bushes and things and, or, you know, physical impairments. But I think eight feet is the standard width of those railings. It's not a hundred percent. But so we've, since I've been doing this on my first, is we basically say the people who get the plaques get the spaces between the two, the two posts. I think, okay. But it would be feasible to, you know, maybe have shorter distances between the plaques that gives us more room. Yeah, it would take some work because the existing ones would have to be kind of removed and because they're all, most of them are put in the center of whatever that is. So if it's eight feet, then, you know, you don't want them kind of off to the side, but it is definitely possible. Yeah, okay, thanks. I did want to, I did want to chime in on something the council member story said about sort of the length of time. That is one of, was there, that is a pretty central concern that I would have about the cliff drive in the Esplanade Park location. That, you know, the split rail fence, that cliff drive is not, it's not sort of the same as building something on the war necessarily or the cliff depot hill, the cliff avenue location. In addition, the Esplanade Park fence wasn't really intended to be the permanent end all be all solution. It could be there for quite a while, but it is a challenge when people get these brass plaques with the brass itself last virtually forever. It's really a question of the medium in which it is mounted, how long that is around. And so just something to think about because obviously the more these things churn if the physical space where they're installed needs to be taken out, it can be a lot of work and to go track down these folks and find out whether or not they want to pay to have them remounted or not. There's just a lot to it. Manager, any other questions? Okay, so I do have one question and this is for Stafford, maybe our liaison for Arts and Cultural Commission, Vice Mayor Story. What I'm hearing is there's actually lots of different options and lots of different areas of opportunity here to continue this program. Has this been vetted through the Arts and Cultural Commission? Was this something that goes through them or has gone through them in the past to decide where and how? Because it seems to me that there's kind of artistic take on it. Has, was this in the past something that the commission decided on or supported in in the past? You know, when the TAO project happened down on the S1C wall, the Arts Commission was involved in that because it was a very, that was public art project and we did that in conjunction with the Chamber. And, but, you know, the, just the strict, the place through this memorial program. No, we don't get involved in that. And if, but if a, if the council was interested in a similar TAO project, you know, it's something that I think the Arts Commission could and should be involved with because, you know, we aren't talking about public art and sometimes you have to bring out a lot of people to make sure that you get the right, you know, outcome. Thank you. Okay, any other questions before we move on to public questions or comments? Okay, CNN, do we have any comments or questions from the public? Mayor Brooks, I do not see anyone with their hand raised and let me check on the email. Sorry. And I do not see an email on this issue. Okay. So we'll bring this back for council comment and it just looks like you're looking for some direction. We have any direction from council at this time on this item. Council member Kaiser. Yeah. So I am super interested to see if we do need to go through the cultural commission arts and culture. And then again, working with our city people, what is going to be most feasible if all of the options are options, like that to me seems pretty, pretty cool and could open up more opportunity. My big thing was the prospect of kind of area, but learning from Larry that that is not our property. So that makes total sense. I don't know if there's any leeway there as well because that is such a good view in a space where a lot of people hang out. I don't know if we can rally with them at all, but I think that this program is pretty cool and I want to be able to maintain it to the best of our ability as far as working as a city and working with the public too. Thank you council member council member Peterson. I like the idea of the wooden railing up on cliff avenue up on Depot Hill. And as council member Kaiser mentioned, the learning that up on prospect avenue isn't really our property would take a little bit more work, but I like the idea of the wooden railing on cliff avenue. I'm wondering if we could open the space on the upper Esplanade wall, but maybe add some kind of clause or something for people that choose to plaque in that space, letting them know that this is a little bit more subject to the elements based on the fact that there's been some erosion on that cliff and that it's less, I don't know, just some kind of a warning so that people know what they're getting into when they choose that space. But I do think it's a beautiful space that could also be used for these kinds of memorials. So I would personally recommend that we move forward with those two. And then in addition to that and forgive me, I might need staff to step in. I don't remember exactly what we decided that the protocol was for sending something to a committee, but maybe we could ask the Arts and Cultural Committee if they would be interested in reviewing sites in town for another potential tile project that would allow people to create their own memorial tiles, much like the one in the village and the one on the corner of Monterey and Park that has all the kind of recreation activity painted tiles. So the tile one is kind of a future project that maybe a committee would like to look into, but of course we can't force them to. Otherwise I would make a motion that we move forward in opening memorial plaques on Cliff Avenue on Depot Hill and at the upper Esplanade wall with an additional cause for the upper Esplanade wall, letting people know that there is a danger of environmental erosion or something of that nature. I'll second the motion. Okay. And vice mayor for your hand. Yeah. Well, one I want to, I think we affirm my support for this memorial program overall. I think it's important for us to kind of be involved with families that they're losing their loved ones and providing a beautiful place for them to have a remembrance. I know I see quite a few of them when I go walking around the community and you're on Depot Hill. And they frequently, you know, the plaques of the area around them are decorated with flowers or other things in remembrance of people's loved ones. So I just want to reaffirm, I think, the importance of maintaining the program. I second the motion because I think that we should look at expanded spaces and the three that the staff have recommended. I think that we should include those. I agree with councilwoman Peterson that we should include the wall on Esplanade Park. I know it may be temporary, but all of these fences are temporary to some degree or another. And at any point where it's torn down or something else is going to be built there and maybe the plaques could transition to whatever the new infrastructure is. I would also think that we could maybe in our program shorten the minimum distance between plaques from 8 feet. I don't know why there's a particular distance, but it may be able to give us more room to add plaques. And I think lastly I want to emphasize, you know, no matter how much, how many spaces we allocate, as time goes on, we're going to run out of space. So I think that at some point the future I think was going to be forced to either look at somehow phasing out and so that allowing new people to benefit from the program. Because imagine over decades some of these, you know, families move on and the plaques become less significant to them. So I think that is a reality of capital and one that maybe future council members are going to have to face. So those are my comments and I appreciate being able to discuss it. Thank you. Council Member Vertrand. Yes, it was. Yeah, I support the motion and I was thinking about amending it, but, you know, listening to Sam, you know, we probably might reach a steady state of some sort where things come and go in the natural course of things, but I still kind of like what Larry mentioned is trying to find a wall such as the one that was on the beach south of us, which I saw, which was very impressive. That wall was very special to people. The fact that there were so many different plaques there of all sorts of different designs, which is another feature that made that place interesting instead of just a certain type of design. So, you know, I hope we keep that in mind, you know, if we find that there's more need in the future, or maybe this reaches a steady state so some people drop off and create new space. But finding a permanent place for a wall of some sort. Great. Thank you, Council Member. I appreciate the motion on the table. I just would add that I think just as some comments to it, wristband parks could be a possible great place for a potential wall as we think about that. And I just heard just for feedback, a lot of, or just for comment that there's a lot of work that has to go into these plaques and having to put them out there on the program is time consuming. It's a lot for staff to take on. And I'm just curious whether there would be any possibility of partnering with the chamber on this. Since they've done this before and have some kind of, if there's any way for them to alleviate the project and how it's kind of, how much we do within the city, maybe there's some opportunity there for partnership. So I just would like to add those comments there. Okay. So it looks like we have a first and a second. Can I have a roll call? Oh, Council Member Peterson is in the hands of the race. Yeah. Sorry. I have one final comment. And this isn't part of the motion, but just something that I think is worth considering. And I can bring it up to the BIA as an option. If it's something that would even make sense. But I know a lot of our restaurants have ocean side or creek side dining and there's wooden kind of wall railings on those restaurants. And I'm wondering if there was a, would be an opportunity for restaurants to opt in to something like this so that families who maybe went to a certain restaurant every week to a certain table or something could say, I would really like to have a memorial plaque along the beach at Zeldas or overlooking the creek at paradise or something along those lines. So I think that's something worth considering as we move forward to allow restaurants to opt into this so that people can also put plaque there should they choose to participate. So I just wanted to throw that out as an option for something that we might want to consider in the future. And that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Are we ready for a motion here or a roll call? Any other hands? I'm checking the panelists. I see no hands raised. Okay. Can I have a roll call please? I agree. Hi. Hi. Vice mayor's story. Hi. Hi. Hi. Right. So moving right along that item passed unanimously. Thank you. Council members moving on to item nine be consider fiscal year twenty one twenty two budget principles and goals. I'll turn this over to staff. I think I needed to unmute before I share my screen. Let's see if I got back down in the right order this time around. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I see a thumbs up. All right. So this is a process we go through every year before we prepare the budget. And it's an opportunity for the city council to talk a bit about their goals for the next fiscal year. You know, we kind of try to break our process into into laying out sort of the high level principles for the city, which generally don't change much year to year about how we approach a budget. So I think that's one of the things I always like to stress for people is that you know the city budget is in some ways like the city's kind of blueprint for its activities. It really lays out what we're going to be working on in any given year and it sort of articulates for the council for staff for the public about what we're going to do it in this next year. I talked a little bit about kind of the difference between sort of like the budget principle for the city budget I talked a little bit about kind of this difference between sort of like the budget principle provides the overarching kind of framework for what we're doing and why we're doing it, the goals, then identify kind of a little bit lower level, a little bit more specificity, and then the key projects and programs, which would be kind of the line items that you then tend to see within the budget or within the budget narrative. We've broken our basically high level principles into three categories in the past. We're going to briefly kind of touch on them and see if anybody wants to talk about changing them or if we're good with them and sort of a go forward basis. We talk about our fiscal principles, our public service principles, and our public improvement principles. On the fiscal side, we talk about maintaining a balanced budget that has to do with you know making sure that the revenue in matches the revenue out each year, but we aren't deficit spending that we're then also using one-time revenues for one-time expenditures, and ensure that the budget that we're planning ahead, looking at what we think the revenues are going to be like in the future, and we're not setting up future city councils for problems by you know sort of backing them into a corner with costs. On public service principles, we talk about kind of maintaining and improving upon the transparency and access to the government, recognizing the high priority that our community places on public safety and our police department, and then always balancing the sort of this long-term service level, looking long-term at service level increases to make sure that our service level increases can be matched with the resources and the revenue that we're going to be receiving over the long run. And then on the public improvement principles, we talk about maintaining our city's infrastructure to the maximum extent that we can, given limited funding. This is always a real challenge in the pavement management street world. Maintaining and improving our natural resources and sustainable green programs. And then maintenance, focusing on the maintenance, you know, it was obviously a real challenge for us this year with the budget cuts that we had to make around COVID, really trying to focus on the village and overall maintenance and make sure that we're doing everything we can to make sure the streets, sidewalks, city facilities are taken care of the way we'd all expect. I think I talked a little bit about why I did identify the key projects. I think to some degree it really helps staff when we're developing the budget and helps focus the council, you know, because things always come up over time. But this gives us an opportunity to take a step back and really try to be strategic about what it is that we want to work on next year. You know, in some ways I think when we look at other things that come up, it makes sure that we sort of have these other things in mind that we're able to make sure that we're not, you know, shelving maybe the big picture for maybe some smaller picture stuff that comes up during the course of the year. So one of the things that we have typically done is recommended council try to identify five or six kind of key projects or programs that we can really focus on and make sure that there's sort of focus for the fiscal year. In the past we passed what we did, what we did last year actually was we had this meeting and I think literally the next day the governor told everybody to shelter in place. And we never really took the next step after kind of going through getting the feedback from the council at this meeting last year. What we ended up doing was really developing a budget with a bare-bones budget just keeping the lights on. So what we're going to do this year is we're going to get the feedback from staff, from council, and then be incorporating that and then, you know, putting it into the budget for final adoption when we adopt our budget. So what we tended to do in the past and seems to work pretty well is each council member can identify projects and programs that they would like to see. Jim is going to be helping us out, maybe taking notes and noting when council members agree with each other or have similar sorts of goals, and then we can look at them as a group. I do want to talk about, so this is what we did last year. For those of you that remember this meeting, I remember taking these notes. I had a lot of great ideas. Some of the things we still did get done. You know, we did the talking about the library, the jetty, the flume. Those were still projects that continued to move forward. We don't have all the permits for the war, but we might by the time we adopt our budget. But these were, this is included in as attachment to your staff report, and this was the outcome out of the meeting last time that was never really moved on for an option. And then in your staff report, I called out a number of sort of big picture key projects that I think about for next year. I want to be really clear that I don't actually think we should do all of these. I think a lot of them, some of them are going to be pretty controversial or may involve a lot of hearings, a lot of potential council bandwidth. So I think we want to be strategic about which one of these we actually decide that we would want to tackle, if any. In some cases, I think it's worth thinking about this. I want to bring these up. Maybe not because they're going to actually happen. It may not be a priority this next year, but in some cases, for example, the City Hall Pacific Cove site one, I would really say that, you know, five years from now, if we haven't focused on it at some point, you know, we really will be in trouble. It's been a long-term issue that does need attention at some point. I'm not sure that 21-22 is the time for you guys to deliberate and think about. So the ones that I called out in the staff report, mall redevelopment, this is a really important one. I know for the council, for the community, for staff, for everybody, but it is one that's not necessarily totally in our control, because at this point it's on hold with the developer. The zoning code has been a focus for the city for a long time. We have good news. We believe we're going to get a hearing in front of the Coastal Commission later this winter. And we're hoping to be able to maybe wrap this project up relatively soon, which would be great. The efforts, Council Member Bertrand talked about this a bit at the beginning of the meeting. I think that we need to refocus our community grant process efforts. We really put that on hold a year ago, but reinvigorating that effort. Updating the city administrative policies, that was something that Mayor Brooks called out in our workshop. We have a lot of policies that probably do need updates, but that's also going to take up everyone needs to know a fair amount of room on agendas as a lot of the items do require council approval. So that's just something everyone needs to know that it's going to be a priority. It's going to take up some council bandwidth and staff bandwidth. The long-term plans for City Hall, I mean, I think this is a pretty well discussed issue. I assume most of you are all well aware of it. Oops, trying to go back. I'm trying to move up because it's bright covering up the item and I couldn't read it. The issue with the City Hall site is really, you know, City Hall is in the flood plane. We experienced the flood in 2011. You know, I've heard people say that it's a termite stop holding hands in the City Hall building. The building might just fall down. So, you know, it is, it's a building with a lot of issues and I think developing a long-term plan whether it's, you know, continuing to invest in the site and renovating it and making it work for another 50 years or whether it's finding a different site. That's what I mean by trying to find a long-term plan for the site. You know, it's figuring out what makes the most sense. Again, I'm not sure that this now is the time to do this. My inclination probably would be to wait but I do want to just sort of toss it out there so we can begin to think about it even if it's for the next year or the year after. The parking rate, this is something that's come up a couple times. The parking meters, I think the rates were last changed on them around 10 years ago, maybe a little bit longer. In addition, Council Member Bertrand has brought up and the fact has been looking a little bit at some of the rates that we charged for some of the exchangeable permits. Again, this can be a pretty controversial issue and, you know, we might want to think about some sort of task force or some sort of specific group to work on this. But it could be time maybe next year as well. Outdoor dining, this is one that we probably are going to have to focus on. The outdoor dining is going to, in theory, come to an end the program that we have today as we wrap up the pandemic and I suspect that there's going to be a lot of a push for reconsidering our park lift program that we had several years ago, that pilot program and what we want to do. Do we want to make a long-term plan around outdoor dining beyond the pandemic and I would assume that that's something that we would want to get in front of rather than reacting to it once we tell people they need to get out of the park of the street. This one actually did come up briefly last year and there wasn't much discussion about it but we have been talking to the school district about, you know, right middle school in Monterey Park and is there an opportunity to collaborate to improve recreational amenities. If we really think about it as kind of one shared green space between the two entities it's kind of a neat project. We need to do some more work if the council would like to to figure out with the school district what might fit there and then think about what the relationship would be between the school district and the city and then ultimately find funding. So it's not a one-year project but it could be a fun one to start working on and then this last one is really a new idea and this has come about because the city of Scotts Valley has been hit hard as everyone has by the pandemic and they really don't have a recreation program anymore and so the city manager for Scotts Valley reached out to me and asked whether or not we might be able to provide some recreational services in Scotts Valley. You'll remember that we already have a partnership with the city of Scotts Valley around a shared building official. So this kind of concept is to try to look for opportunities to leverage the resources that we each have to do things maybe more efficiently, better, cheaper, faster and that kind of thing. If this was going to be something that we were going to work on they, Scotts Valley has said that they might be interested in something happening this summer which would require a pretty quick movement and I can more than happy to answer questions about kind of what, Nikki has done some work as well to look at what this might look like or how it might work. More than happy to answer questions if council wants more information about what some sort of partnership might look like with the Scotts Valley recreation. And with that we're really looking for your direction. Council can identify some of the things they would like to see next year. Confirm that the high level budget principles were on the right track. Council members wanted to identify and then maybe try to narrow down to five or six key projects. That would be great. And with that I'm available for questions. Thank you Jamie. We'll turn to questions. Council Member Peterson. I have a quick question. In the packet on page 35 it says the coastal commission zoning code is expected to be certified in spring of 21 but then on 36 it says we're expecting a hearing for late winter. So are we expecting that to be completed in spring or in winter? I think that we were we think that it's going to go to hearing in April. Katie, I believe our direct community development director is on the call and I think we have a tentative date for coastal commission hearing. Yes, we were scheduled for March but we just got word that they had to push us back to the April hearing. So I think it's the second week of April. Okay, so the hearing is in April but we don't expect it to be done until winter. Oh, then it's back. So I would say spring of this year. So the hearing is in April and then we'll bring it back to the city council to bring forth the modifications that they're requesting and at that the city council has the ability to adopt those changes and then it would take it would be the new zoning code for all of Calcuttola. Perfect. Okay, I get it now. Okay, thank you. Well, we have winter 21. I'm sorry. We're talking about like coming up here in the next month. Still in winter. Yes. Okay, I get it. Sorry. Okay. That makes sense. And then my other question in regards to the community grant. So tonight it sounds like it's just tonight to suggest that the community grant funding is one of our top priorities but the actual, I mean we're getting a budget update in March, right? So that would be the time to actually start looking at how much we would fund and who we would fund and all that. Is that correct? Tonight's just the night to say we want that on our priorities. Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. I meant to talk about that as the outset. So this is a little bit awkward. We're going to do a mid-year budget report coming up in two weeks with the city council. And so, you know, council member Bertrand, you brought up trying to look at this year's there's two issues with community grants that I think we have pending. One is you know we didn't fund the community grants this year and we were going to have a conversation about that. I think council member Bertrand and council member Peterson you both brought that up. That's the mid-year budget meeting we're having in two weeks. Then this larger conversation of what are we doing about the community grants going forward. We had some work done a couple a year ago. You know, let's pick that ball up and move forward. That is that's like kind of a fiscal year goal that we would say, yeah, we want to reinvigorate our subcommittee to work on this and let's pick that ball up. Does that make sense? And it's a little funny to be doing the goals now for next year before we are closing out this year with the budget but it's just the way the sequencing has worked out. Okay, got it. Thank you. Council member Bertrand question? Oh, and council member you are muted. I do it all the time. I know I do that too. Obviously. So, I think the Parkland idea needs to be revisited in one sense. I believe Mary, maybe you could comment on this. What's the feedback from the merchants? I mean, it seems to me that it's been very successful the way it's been done right now. So how much effort should we put into trying to create something new that, you know, would actually meet a need, but is it successful enough to really benefit the merchants? I think you posed a good question, council member Bertrand. There was some there was a request that that goes to that question go to the VIA kind of as a survey and I don't know when appropriate time would be to discuss that any further, but if you feel that this is a priority during our comments and deliberation, most definitely bring that up. Okay, I think the survey is a great idea as we know the 1.9 trillion supposedly if that's going to be passed there could be some COVID monies available and maybe that could help make our parklets look a little bit nicer because right now they're sort of haphazard in one sense. The merchants I can't see them wanting to put a lot of money into something that is temporary, but if it's going to be permanent that's what I'd like the city to explore how we could help them fund something that is a little bit more permanent and looks a lot nicer. All right. And that's perfect. Okay. Yeah, I just have another question. Yeah. So in terms of the partnership with the school district I'm glad that that's moving forward. Is that something that's probable with the status and how much possibility can we actually depend on this moving forward? I don't think we can depend on it moving forward. I know that there's a great deal of interest on the school district's part in trying to make something like this work. The issue is that they would like to have a soccer field, a regulation soccer field and I think the city would certainly be improved by having a regulation soccer field. The question is just how it could fit and so that's the real key question. I think if there is a way to make a regulation soccer field and a track softball field all work out there at Monterey Park, then I think we can have a very real conversation but I don't know the answer to that. I'm not a park designer and so that's actually a question that we've talked to the school district about answering and can we fit these three uses and if we can, I think then there's a lot of interest on the school district's part about working something out and it really comes down to your council's interest in working with the district which I detect is being hired and then secondarily just funding that would be the real challenge because the new soccer field projects are not cheap. They're not cheap and soccer is an important aspect for kids these days. Big time. Absolutely. Thank you. Any other questions at this time? I just have a question for our city manager about how we're going to move forward in the next round of conversation in the packet on page 38 with all of the items with the X's and such. Were those all items that we set as council priorities that we walked away with as our priorities because in your request you said pick five tonight so I'm curious how we're going to proceed with this. Historically I usually ask for council members to narrow it down to five and in practice we end up more like with what that attachment to the staff report was which is a lot of different things and then the way we concluded that meeting a year ago was council members went through, talked about different things they wanted. We did our best to put check marks when we heard multiple things from council members and the direction was we were going to come back with a more distilled version of that as best we could in the budget hearing and we just ended up in a different place. So to the extent that the council can narrow it it's very helpful but we will do our best with whatever you're able to give us this evening. Great then I'll make a suggestion before we move on to public comment. Because we didn't really get to go get very far with the last COVID. I don't know if we could bring that up as a starting point because some of those things that were even mentioned by council tonight are already on there and perhaps just take off council member Botthorff and exchange it for council member Kaiser. We could go down that list and then if there's anything left off that wasn't addressed from that list I think that would be a good starting point especially because council worked so hard in our story and council member Trand and council member Peterson and myself last year on that list that we didn't get far. Would you come forward between that list up for us to start off with? Yeah so finance director Mulberg Jim was going to be doing helping us with that this evening so Jim do you have that and the ability to pull that up for us? Excuse me yeah let me share my screen and then we'll have that list up. And Jim I'll give you a second to get that as a working dock and maybe we can go to public comment at this time. Yes Mayor Brooks I do not see anybody requesting to speak on this item on the zoom meeting and I do not see any emails on this item. Great thank you. Okay so we'll bring it back to council and I hope that made sense that we'll start with last year because that's what we worked on and then if there's anything that anybody would like to add or we could add it along the way if I could get a just a consensus I don't want to go rogue here with some head nods or something if I was comfortable with that. Yeah okay great. Okay Jim you want to bring that up? I think I have tried twice so far and we did see it both times just that way. Oh okay it's not showing up on my side. That's weird. So I think you have a follow-up question? Yeah sorry so are we just to clarify are we looking at this list and are we each picking the 5 or 6 that are most important to us or because I feel like there's a few names that just have like a couple X's next to it so like I think the way it works last year is if everyone kind of agreed with it we all put our names and then the ones that had the most prioritized by staff so you if the first 15 you love you can say you agree with them but maybe not everyone else will but that's how the checks is next year in age. Okay. This is working right now I had a question. Oh Council Member Vartranca I was distracted with Jim. I just had something to make this work a little bit better I think a lot of the lines have already been addressed or on their way to being addressed and could be like number 9 complete library these things are on the way and permits for the war these are on the way so in a sense this could be shortened quite a bit. Absolutely that's what I'm hoping for and that'll make our City Manager list of 5 more feasible. Jim you want to highlight the ones that we as we go down if they're actually in process we could just highlight them in a different color and we don't need to vote on them. Alrighty. But when we get there you don't have to unless you're that fast. Okay Jamie do you want to go with this and we'll let you take it from here. Yeah I think this is a great tool I think the one thing Jim maybe do you think just any way we could bump up this zoom just hit the plus button and the lower right once or twice. Awesome. Great. So then the question I think is Mayor Brooks do you want to have we could take all the little tick marks off at this point because nobody's voting and then do you want to just go would you like would you like to just call on folks and have people go through and identify which ones they'd like to see and then also recall that there were I think five or six items that I suggested for consideration Right. If someone's click on the job or Jim's on the draw there but he can type in and that's the very end as we go with it so five that you recommended. Okay so we'll start with and I'm going to try to expand my page just so I could see everybody with and I'll just do I'll just call you out and if you just agree to say agree as we move along and Jim will mark your name. So the first item is develop options for council consideration to address rising CalPERS cost councilmember Peterson agree councilmember Bertrand agree councilmember Kaiser agree councilmember vice mayor's story this is going to be one of my top five. No. Okay then I'm okay with it. Ditto I agree. Okay next one. Evaluate potential tax measures to offset impacts of the mall vice mayor's story Now we sort of did that didn't we? Oh we did that one didn't we? Yeah. We shelled it maybe for we may want to consider it again Right. Exactly. So general election cycle. Yeah so Jim if you want to put 20 was it 24? That's a cycle? 20 What year are we in? 22. Thank you. Next one continue working with capital mall ownership groups to redevelop the mall that's just ongoing so we can skip that one work toward coastal commission certification of zoning code update we've done that one respond to COVID-19 we've done that one so we'll be great job staff complete funded CITs so we'll go because we have not done that so councilmember Peterson Yeah I agree I agree councilmember story um fun fun oh yes of course but I'd like to speak to completed respond to COVID-19 Okay if you come back around to it it's in other lines too so I can wait. Okay so he agrees to this one councilmember Batran I agree I have no idea what that is but you all agree so I agree so the CIP projects are the public works in process so the funded CIP projects would be like the road projects that have funding that we're waiting to get the permits and get out the door Yeah do it so before I move on to the next block of areas would anyone like to edit or add comments to line items three to ten vice mayor story you had some uh maybe some edits or add-ons to some of these or Yeah I had comments about respond to COVID-19 and there's some you know line 15 refers to COVID and line 26 refers to COVID but yeah I have some comments um kind of now that we're hopefully moving away from COVID about making the transition out so would you like that to add that item as a priority here before we just skip over it how would you well if I mean if it's okay with you um my thinking now that we have the vaccine we are um I think moving to going back to having more open communities and I think this is going to have some budget impact that we need to I think do this in a way um that both protects the public but then opens us up to being able to having community gatherings council gatherings I think that there there's some things about COVID operations that I'm glad to be leaving behind and I think there's some technology that we've learned to use that could be continually useful for um to increase public participation um and I think it's going to take the city being involved in um kind of noticing and encouraging people now to move back to normal routine um and I think that those are um going to have budgetary impacts and stuff um I would like to see some thought put into that and that put on the list I think that something will naturally come to so I could support Sam enough you're muted oh no I'm not no me sorry um okay so we'll go ahead and take that line item then we'll go across to council member Peterson I agree I agree with this I'm just council member story if you can clarify is how is this a budget um goal are we are we looking to to put funding towards um programs that would help us transition is that what you're suggesting yeah I think that there is going to need some budget um uh funding necessary um and in the sense of of one um noticing and uh letting the public know that we're moving back to uh normal operations encouraging them uh to be involved with community uh government uh as they used to be because I don't think these things are just going to happen and this is going to be a transition we have to be prepared to as we're encouraging people uh to engage with uh once again um but though doing things that were everyone is still safe uh because you know the herd immunity or the vaccination is not going to happen overnight um and um and I think there's going to be a transition period um and then even when we're moving our you know back to uh normal operations all the council are in the chamber the public's coming to the chambers I think there's some of this technology that we've learned to use um where you know you know people being able to access over over the webinar over zoom and that we should continue I assume that that's going to necessitate some uh technology expenditures to be able to achieve that so yeah and I don't I don't know to what it how I don't think it's a huge budgetary item but I think some attention and focus and some dollars need to be spent to achieve those goals and and again I don't think we should just sit back and wait and see how things roll out but that we should be on the forefront of that um and um and be leaders and open it up our community once again and doing it in a safe way though and assisting the businesses as well um um and so and I think and those have been those a budgetary them some of those are going to be funded through the CARES Act and so but that's what I was that's what I'm thinking okay that makes sense yeah I would support that if I could add a little bit there um natural thing is uh you know Chloe is our um expertise in terms of social engagement so some of her staff time you know it's going to have to be paid for so that's a budget item thank you um so I agree as well uh council member story this is your item so I'm only a vice mayor I assume you agree with this council member for trans oh no I already agreed with it oh you did I'm council member Kaiser yes I agree okay now we're on to line item 13 the next little group being here explore grant opportunities for public safety CIT and environmental policies and outreach program that's sort of one growing so definitely agree council member Peter council member Peterson yeah I think this is something we should always be doing is a city so I'm not sure if it needs to be on any one year's budget principles I agree with it in concept for sure but I feel like as as a city we should always be considering grant opportunities for these things so I don't know if it needs if I would want it to be narrowed down to this particular year and then just include it every year um if I if I may add maybe an edit that we for grant opportunities uh such as CBBG I know that we not we have not always done that because it's time consuming and perhaps if we can add that as uh explore grant opportunities for public CIT environmental products and outreach programs such as CBBG just because I know our city has not always done that I don't know if we want to get that specific but that's that's where I would like to add that so we've had a grand person before so that's that should be something addressed I agree I mean also I'll support it I also I'll support it okay um as I jump to a vice mayor story yeah we should always be doing those things Councilmember Petrand yeah I indicated earlier I'm supporting you jump in the gun I can't keep up with you Councilmember Kaiser yeah thanks all right uh create three-year fiscal plan for all redevelopment impacts that says in-house oh boy don't remember this was really around a strategy when we knew that the mall we were thinking the mall was going to be under construction relatively shortly and that takes out a huge amount of uh tax producing um real estate and so the idea was to try to bridge through the downturn when we knew that there was going to be a lot of sales tax that was taken out but then it was going to be coming back to figure out how we were going to get from here to there so that's what this was about um we actually have done a fair amount of this work already uh but at this point probably would have to be re-updated when uh when the time comes okay so something we would circle back on and pop and not address for this year okay so line items 15 support creation and expansion of hotels in appropriate locations I believe this is the spin uh it will come if it comes I think that's kind of where we're at it's an ongoing effort would you agree with that Jamie this is the council's goal so okay okay so support creation and expansion of hotels in appropriate locations so council member Peterson and this just makes me think about how we discuss this at the mall and then and in the village and so forth yeah this is just the budget principles for the coming year I'm not sure that that's something that I find to be incredibly pressing especially since the idea of the mall redevelopment is something that we're probably not going to see break ground in this coming year we've asked the designers of the mall to come back to us with um a plan that includes the hotel you know if if something were to come up in the coming fiscal year that required us to consider it I certainly wouldn't say no let's not consider it but for the sake of really prioritizing our budget goals for the coming year I'm not sure that I would I wouldn't support this as one of the pressing issues okay vice mayor story I agree no I'm sorry and I get myself I agree with council but our council members here um council member Bertrand I agree and council member Kaiser I mean okay so cut unnecessary membership what are unnecessary members I can't remember who brought this one up last year so I can't remember what was considered an unnecessary membership and if we already did it or not we did it we cut all of our memberships last year um yeah I think the only memberships we maintained were the ones that we really needed to like as a city I don't remember I think may have been a council member or fight him um yeah I think he wanted to take a look at some of the memberships that we were that we had and then we ended up pulling them all out when COVID hit actually uh mayor Brooks and council member Peterson that had this one last year oh it was me yeah and I don't even remember what it was I'm not going to support that because I don't remember what it is oh god why did you have to call it that Jeff I always wanted to play that I know thanks Jamie I don't know what last year's Kristen was thinking but this year's Kristen does not agree so we um clearly we I do not agree either vice mayor story I think this should be reviewed there's a lot of memberships that we probably would want some that we don't want so it should be reviewed and maybe instead of that being a priority perhaps that could just bring it back if there's I know when we look at our budget for next year in May or March whatever March there you go there you go thanks council member Kaiser would you like this to be one of your priorities okay monitor revenue impacts from COVID-19 quickly if I may make a suggestion just to move this to item 11 as like a one because that kind of makes me think of the same things if vice mayor's story is okay with that and if everyone else is who agrees to line item 11 to consolidate that one review village hotel parking permit kind of what manager maybe even more staff recommendations look at parking permit if we want to edit that with the language that Jeff suggested and Jamie what was that this was something that came up last year which was looking at the village parking permit for the hotel you know I have had in the back of my mind the fact that we last updated the parking meter rate around 10-11 years ago I think it took something like six or seven hearings at the city council and a blue ribbon mayor's commission to do it probably two years so I don't know whether or not we want to dive into that parking meter rate discussion but at some point in the next couple of years it's probably going to be a larger discussion so I think you have a couple choices here one is we could say hey look let's really just focus on the hotel issue or do we want to look holistically at the village parking and if we're going to look holistically at the village parking we just got to know that it's going to be a big bite so potentially a question to you city manager terms of revenue my understanding is that the parking permit thing could increase quite a bit of revenue depending on how we do it now how would that compare to changing the meter rate well so the meter rates right now they're $1.50 an hour and I think that the village meters generate I want to say about Jim correct me if I'm wrong around $500,000 a year so if we increase them by about 33% I think that's probably $150,000 a year revenue increase I think the hotel permit depending on you know right now we sell those things for like $50 a year maybe they're worth $1,000 so there's maybe $30,000 or $40,000 a year so ballpark there's more money in the meters conceivably if we were to increase the rate to $2 an hour I don't know that that's the right thing for a community I think you want to go through some process to do some work to weigh that out yeah the other see I brought this up the other thing that is concerned to me is the equity issue and you know depending on the permit that could be hogging a meter you know for a whole weekend or a week or whatever the time is that someone's renting a hotel room which depletes our revenue from the parking meters so depending on how we actually handle this program it could free up a lot of parking meters and that would be to the benefit of the restaurants and other stores in the village thank you I mean taking out the word if we're talking about meters and not hotel permit this was going to be revisiting the question wouldn't that necessitate having some foundation or analysis about our parking meters and the rates so wouldn't those things go in tandem I mean you know the parklet conversation previously you'll recall that we did a fair amount of work to figure out how much each space on average generated and use that as a basis for the rental rate so if we were to change the parking meter rates obviously then the parklet rate if they're still tied could change as well um yeah you know I think doing an evaluation of the village parking rates would be a would be a goal it just everyone needs to know that it's going to be a tough one and probably we would start with kind of a council hearing to brief you on the different parking permit programs and what they cost in the village and then we would build up incrementally from there and figure out where we want to go um well I'd like to do that as you know as part and parcel we're visiting the parklet content because I have that anticipation that it's it's going to be much larger than what we were considered before right those two conversations talking about parklets and parking meter rates in the village like that that's uh I probably don't need to tell you councilmember story that's a big bite for the next year you know that would be a real thing for us to work on yeah the blue ribbon and everything that came after that was over a period of three or four years yeah right but I just I don't know that we're going to be able to dodge the question about the parklet as you mentioned before um and because I think it's already starting to come up um and um I just think we're going to be compelled to look at it and it seems to me that it it would be in conjunction with what our otherwise rates are because there are economic questions about you know do we charge for the encroachment on the streets how much do we charge how much will we lose is there a way to make that up um with other meter rates other parking streets and so I just see that is all one big quite economic question and yeah I mean if we could avoid it yeah I probably would prefer that but I don't think we're going to be able to do that honestly Jamie so so I just wanted to throw that out there well the cat's out of the bag that's the deal we have to deal with it somehow thank you vice mayor Jim if you could write it up on item 18 review parklets in village with including the parking permit as vice mayor's story suggested um it sounds like that would be that's a priority of his um and then maybe in parentheses just note that in may we have to that's when the parklet clause ends anyhow so when we get to that there are council comments here I thought council member Peterson can raise next I think you know I think unfortunately in in the opposite side of the spectrum of where vice mayor's story is looking at this I think we will have to look at at village parking program hotel parking permits and parklets in the village but I think we in this coming year need to separate them because we're still in pandemic right now we're probably not going to be in recovery mode until well after summer so you know even if we make it a priority to review parklets and decide whether or not we want those to be permanent I think that's one of the things we really need to focus on this year as businesses recover and as we determine what the the next normal is going to look like so to speak um and then maybe in the following year when when things get back to a you know we're we're into our next normal we decided if parklets are going to stay or not then we can look at the parking program and the hotel parking permit so I am of the of the opinion that um yes as vice mayor story said we can't avoid looking at any of these issues but I definitely think we should separate them make parklets in the village and outdoor dining a priority this year and then make the parking program and the hotel parking permit the priority next year and uh council member Peterson so as Jim kept this up as a separate line item would you like the hotel parking permits and the metered parking to be separate or as one no I think that's fine to have those as one I think that the hotel parking permits and the parking meter together are something we should consider in the next fiscal year um but the park was in the village or something we should consider in this fiscal year on on their own um because they're all important issues but in viewing everything from a lens of pandemic and coming out of 2020 and what the next you know what 2022 is going to look like um I I'm really kind of hyper focused on just getting us through the pandemic and kind of to a new normal or next normal or whatever you want to call it um before we start trying to overhaul all of the things that we were considering before the pandemic even hit so that's just my my perspective on on that and then Jim if you could do one more line item for the outdoor dining park with um as an extra as a different line item because those are all separate um thank you council member council member Kaiser uh yeah thank you I think I'm confused is this time for questions or is this comment so great you have some questions or for clarity um no questions I just have a lot of comments so I can sure we're prepared to go item by item if it's if it's about these um or if you'd like to expand on any of these is that what you're thinking I just want to um well I think kind of how obviously how uh vice mayor story was saying the the the whole parklet situation along with the um parking fee situation will and in definitely go hand in hand I agree that I feel like focusing more on the comeback of this pandemic is is sort of where I want to be and that's more important to me than um increasing the parking fees because if we do so and that's going to increase the cost for the small business in order to keep a parklet as a more permanent option um I want to look at the parklets as more of a sustainable and feasible thing rather than maybe sort of bouncing back on what you guys proposed a few years ago um and actually looking at what could happen for the small businesses and what type of sales tax that would actually never be bringing in along with the parking fees maybe not necessarily looking at how to increase the parking within the village but within the larger lots behind the police station and city hall those are quite affordable and I feel like those are areas where maybe we could increase the cost um downtown Santa Cruz it's a dollar an hour to park downtown Capitola is a dollar 50 but our back less are 50 cents an hour so I think there's some wiggle room there that as far as more revenue um and really creating a more feasible option for the small businesses to maintain their outdoor dining ones that haven't had the option before or before it was just too expensive um I'm a huge advocate for that yeah feedback now it sounds like this is going to be a priority of yours then so let me go ahead and go across the board while Jim finishes his edits I didn't know is it far less and have I been saying it wrong the full time no okay um item 17 review village hotel parking permit and village parking program as a stand alone I'll just go across councilmember Peterson no okay um I will say no as well a vice mayor story as a stand alone no okay councilmember Bertrand no councilmember Kaiser yeah and then do you mean no I mean no uh okay item 18 review parking in village outdoor dining current program and councilmember Peterson yeah yes for me vice mayor story yeah councilmember Bertrand councilmember Kaiser this is you yes okay I feel like we edited vice mayor's stories so just for for for future context Jim there was a line item that both of them were combined for vice mayor's story and I just want to make sure you leave it up there that it was the the parking together as one as a priority and I just don't want to minimize that that was what he suggested earlier um okay and so we'll go across the board as you finish piping that up so councilmember Peterson are we on the parklet in village or are we going to the alcohol okay I'll let Jim finish that one we'll go to the alcohol and then we'll go back to vice mayor's work with so-called to allow alcohol at the community center yeah mayor oh I'm sorry yeah no problem I put that on last year and I think as you know we haven't been able to generate a lot of money out of the community center before we used to be able to do alcohol which allows for weddings and a whole variety of other things it is a fraught issue with the school district if we did support this we now have better relations with the school district we might be able to come to some agreement so that's why I put that there basically to help generate money to support the community center so we get some improvements in there HVAC and a bunch of other things okay um if you recall councilmember as mayor you get to sit in the with the superintendent and I won't this a priority of mine but I would be more than happy to ask the question during meet that breakfast club meeting with the superintendent and the vice mayor I would be more than happy to do that just to let you know yeah that'd be great this is a long-term discussion it won't happen overnight okay so we'll go across the board just for the sake of continuity councilmember Peterson yeah I agree this is something we should look at at some point but not this year okay um no for me vice mayor story no councilmember Bertrand I'll say yes so that it keeps coming up in conversation as you said in the breakfast club okay councilmember Kaiser no for me okay and then we'll go back to item 20 review parkway and village parking program together councilmember Peterson no um no for me vice mayor story yeah councilmember Bertrand yes but I think the emphasis should be on going for in the future years but yes anyway okay councilmember Kaiser how is this any different than the last one sorry that we voted on for the last one we're not going to be doing parking permits it would just be park less would you like to do both or what yeah I think we should explore both okay so that's a yes for councilmember Kaiser I keep scrolling if I'm going through the excel sheet with my my mouse here it's kind of funny um thank you Jim okay I got it okay just to clarify some clarification so the village parking program as a whole got no votes to review but we did get three days and then everyone wants to look at the park lit and then it looks like it's three to two to do park lit and village parking together majority yeah you got the majority on looking at them both together uh so that's vice mayor's story suggestion you got the majority okay okay so we're going to so it looks like the council so that that's the direction is we'll sort of bundle a park lit and village parking permit program conversation um for next year okay okay we lost the councilmember for a stretch um I'm going to give Jim a second we'll go ahead and break for two minutes okay we'll return in two three four five perfect okay Jim let's rock and roll here item 22 go above and beyond keeping residents informed ensure all members made aware of projects that affect them as a priority as a budget priority councilmember Peterson uh you know this is another one of the items that I feel like are important and they're always important I just don't see how that's a budget priority in the next year and I understand that staff time and outreach et cetera but I just don't see it as a budget priority for the coming year so I'm going to say no okay now for me council uh vice mayor story councilmember Bertrand you're muted he says yes I think that was a thumbs up oh here we are yeah it's a yes to me it's an ongoing thing okay okay councilmember Kaiser on a priority okay make available for e7 and hygiene products for all public restrooms councilmember Kaiser I mean Peterson did we end up doing that no we did well I have no idea um excuse me not in the public they're in city hall and in the police station oh okay so we're thinking also like at jade street and the beach and stuff okay um then yeah then yeah I support that yes for me vice mayor story yeah councilmember Kaiser super nice okay great thank you 24 collaborate with local partners to update one local play structure to universal design for children of all abilities councilmember Peterson this is another one that I think is a really important but I'm not sure that this year is the year that we would be focusing on you know putting putting funding towards a new play structure when we're barely getting ourself off the ground with our budget so I would like it to stay on the list for consideration in 2022 but I'm going to say no for this coming fiscal year okay and I will say noted this one um council I can't see the names anymore Jim so it's vice mayor story right okay I'll get it done vice mayor story councilmember retran no I agree with Kristen councilmember Kaiser no thanks okay I think that says expand emergency response planning and proceed grants for city hall generator did that happen yeah we got a generator didn't we I don't know we submitted a grant we were unsuccessful we submitted another grant which is actually not for a generator system but is for a PD and storage system and I don't believe we've heard back on that grant okay councilmember Peterson okay in that case uh yeah I think that would be a priority a generator is pretty important in case of emergency I would say um I would just tap that into the grant that we approved um earlier on so I'm going to say no to this in um but because we have the other grant section on there can we move this well I guess it depends on what everyone else says but if we can all agree I think that's a really good point mayor Brooks that maybe we should just move that back into the other grant item and not make it one of its own can fold it yeah um can I get a thumbs up if everyone just agrees with the consolidation and that staff will continue with their attempts to get a grant for a generator I see everyone except council we've already all said yes to grant like that story well I think we already have a grant right um I think the need for city hall to have a generator um is should not be dependent upon whether or not we get grant which I mean that's kind of saying if we never get a grant we're never going to do it um I think it should be a priority independent of whether we have a grant or not how much did generators cost thank you we're like hundreds of thousands of dollars is what I recall um like 300 thousand yeah we need a grant okay so let's leave it as a jam I'm sorry I see you cutting and pacing let's leave it as a separate line item and we'll go across the board one more time councilmember Peterson my apologies we're back on the which one the generator now yeah we're just going to leave it as separate serious for Jenny okay then yeah then yeah I'll support it as its own thing as do I vice mayor's story yes councilmember Bertrand yes okay now we are on to have city council create and set priorities for community grants councilmember Peterson yes yes for me vice mayor's story yes councilmember Bertrand yes councilmember Kaiser yes okay I if everyone's in agreement seek opportunities to help people stay connected during COVID-19 I feel like that we're doing that already so unless someone feels otherwise we can skip through that one consolidate maybe okay 27 established plan for children's funds considering parks and rec strategic plan and something else needs for scholarship established plan for children children's funds considering parks and rec strategic plan and needs for scholarship so we completed the strategic plan so I think that was complete line item 31 staff develop a list of projects associated with them all redevelopment I think that has been complete or is ongoing and just stop me folks if you disagree or want to vet this up evaluate traffic flow at cliff and wharf possible roundabout so this is a roundabout for cliff and wharf so that like past shadowbrook is that cliff and wharf right like down there that round and dead end and it's like I remember talking about that last year okay so councilmember Peterson would you like this to be not for the coming year but neither do I vice mayor story no councilmember Bertrand no councilmember Kaiser okay sidewalks on Kennedy and McGregor so that's at the end of so new brighton middle school towards new brighton beach there are no sidewalks as you walk towards new brighton beach right that's Kennedy McGregor is what I'm thinking it's a very extensive project as I recall the city manager telling us about last year I think you can punt on these CIP projects and when we get in the budget we'll be talking about how much money we might have and at that point then you can make a determination unless you have specific projects that you'd like us to do more research about and then bring information at the budget time well then I'll prompt everyone and say this is a yes for me councilmember Peterson I would say it's it this is tough because I can't say that yes make this a budget priority I would say this is a priority for us to discuss in our actual budget discussions when we're looking at our CIP budget so I maybe maybe we'll take everyone off the hook on this one and can we save it for our actual budget hearing when we figure out how much money the conceptual review was just completed so I think we're just waiting to hear back from the grants on that so I won't say it's completed but we can move forward from that declared complete project that was a priority and I know there's CIP projects in place so we'll discuss that during our budget hearing at the next one CIP grant with school districts regarding the soccer so this is one of the recommendations this evening councilmember Peterson CIP grant yeah sure yeah probably not quite seeking a grant yet it's really figuring out if there's a partnership possibility so is it a budget priority or is it just something that is happening I think this is actually would be a helpful one to get feedback in if council thinks this is a good thing to work on then I think we can focus on it we have a breakfast club meeting meeting with school districts that can talk about it if council feels like this is kind of a bit of a hornet's mess because the Monterey park area can sometimes there's a lot of there can be a lot of just community feedback and different perspectives then we could focus our effort somewhere okay well we can get community feedback and different input I guess in that case sure yeah yeah and I guess I would just offer that I like the idea I think it's great for us to look further into this as a financially putting any money into it I wouldn't agree with any of that right now so if you want to if the rest of everyone's okay with just adding that as a caveat that this is just to start the conversations and to look further into this opportunity not necessarily funding it then I am a yes for this vice mayor story the partnership with the school district regarding the soccer field yeah we've had some discussions with them already about some initial steps in that direction seems to me it was about more than just the soccer field though and so but yeah I'm fine with continuing the discussions with the school district great thank you okay council member vitran yeah no I think this idea is going to come to fruition eventually but we need to keep it going we need this discussion going and like Jamie said he wants us to sort of give him direction to you know he's talking to Scott so that's part of the whole scenario besides the breakfast club great great council member Kaiser yes I think keep the conversation going for sure as far as a priority it's probably not like top notch on my list okay council member vitran yeah I'm sorry I was trying to raise my hand I wanted to put something in there just to get some cost estimates so when we talk about CIP and that would be I was going to go around okay yeah absolutely I know everyone has some other things to add I just want to make sure we covered all of the staff ones that were presented in the pocket in our pocket Jamie did we get all of those it was a soccer it was it was a few other things and I just want to make sure we get to those first questions that's quite an interesting question about whether or not whether or not that might be something we would consider pursuing I think the advantages to our community in the city of doing that is we could spread out some of the fixed administrative costs if we entered a partnership with scott sally potentially also does you know the things I will often say is the magic isn't in the 5,000 can of trash that you pick up it's in the first so we develop programs if we have partnerships with scott sally we just have more experience and you know it's like once you do one food truck event the second one is easier and so it's easy to kind of bring those experiences back and forth the downside is that this would be you know we'd be relying on a recreation manager to manage this and you know there's only we only have one nicky bryant and so it would mean you know sharing some of those resources so scott sally is interested in exploring this partnership they haven't committed to it by any stretch of the imagination but the question is does the city does the city council see the value in exploring that partnership okay council member peterson do you have a question oh you're muted I see value in it is yeah I'm interested in hearing if our if nicky feels that we have the bandwidth to handle it and if so then I'm for it is nicky on hello sorry I good evening mayor council members I am catching up a little bit because I was popping in and out when this conversation started so forgive me if I repeat anything yeah we just started the question was it's within that your bandwidth to possibly partner with scott sally and offer our services and programs with them yes I think particularly in regards to a first phase I do feel that it is within our bandwidth it is something that I would need to really deeply explore and come up with some strategies within for staffing as to how we would best manage it and identify what exactly we would need but I I feel like it is a reasonable challenge as it would be a challenge as of that anything that would be starting of a new program would be however I feel that particularly in this first phase I am confident that we would be able to support scott sally with this contract I'm sorry council member Peterson did you have another question no I was just going to say thank you and in that case I would support this and I just want I see your hand raised council member Kaiser I just want to ask for some clarification for nicky you said that you would feel comfortable moving on with that contract I know you and I have had discussions about what the contractors you are speaking of but can you please share with the rest of the council what contractors you are talking about so I believe that it was mentioned at the beginning a little bit and again forgive me if I am repeating details but in regards to scott sally's division they are looking to be able to provide summer program for their community and have reached out to us in order to see if that's something that we would be interested in partnering for and so in this first phase we've been specifically talking about just providing a summer program and that if there's any other further conversation we would have that discussion later thank you should we add an edit then to this partnership with scott sally regarding recreation program if for the summer program or are we asking a more general question jamey of a partnership for long term for the whole year so this is a good conversation and the conversation that I had with city manager of scott sally when it initially came up was that I thought that capitol potentially could get into a relationship and we could try to work on something maybe for the summer but really the way I characterize it is potentially sort of like putting the toe in the water for a potential longer term partnership like if this is just like them looking for someone to come run summer camp this summer and that's it like I don't know that that's really that compelling for the city if this is about kind of maybe starting to explore a longer term partnership about recreation not making the commitment now I think that that is that could be more compelling for the city so at this point I would keep it this way and the first step in this would be let's take a look at a summer contract and see how that starts to work out but but if nobody ever wants to do anything beyond that and I think we would want to kind of reevaluate and say does it really make sense to just do that. Does that make sense? Council Member Kaiser do you have a question? Thanks, yeah that was kind of where I was going with it was is there a way to sort of explore this and almost like a more like a temporary way or like wherever so that Nikki can get her bearings and actually like either get staffing or an assistant or whatever she's going to need for that work I see in the future that it could be really cool yeah I think my approach would be like start small and then see where it goes and like if we're actually getting benefits from it and vice versa for them too but obviously they would work with us but yeah, thanks. Great so I see yes for Council Member Peterson I'll just share that I have some reservations about a long-term partnership I feel like our Parks and Rec Department has just completed their strategic plan we're just kicking off with our own planning possible expansion of our own program and although Nikki you know I think you're fantastic and more than able to expand I have concerns about expanding too much before we really focus and focus on our families and our kiddos with your local so I support the summer contract and I'm guessing that'll come to us as an individual item but I do have a whole annual partnership with Scotts of Valley for a whole year of partnership and services as our goal I wouldn't commit to all of that right now so I hope I'm clear in that no is for this long term but I do support the contract and see where it goes so it's not one of my priorities Vice Mayor Story Yes that's a discussion of the City Manager Yes Council Member Kaiser Yes to our short term goal that's kind of what we're going on Okay and then there was an administrative policies update as a recommendation for Vice Staff Council Member Peterson would you like this to be one of your priorities that we reevaluate and update our administrative policies this year I'm again is this is there a budget ask behind this? Staff time I think that's why it was on there right Jimmy? Council Agenda time and staff time Oh okay Yeah That's a yes for me Vice Mayor Story No I don't think I have enough background about the needs for this to to I'll take a bath Okay Council Member Bertrand Yeah I totally agree with this it's always good to review policies they often need to be updated you shouldn't ignore the situations before and I think they apply to now so I definitely agree with this Okay and Council Member Kaiser I agree Great all right I think that covers the staff much for missing anything Jimmy can you move on to Council Member individual okay so Council Member Peterson do you have a question or do you want to Yeah I'm just wondering if I'm still confused on the Parklet one I'm wondering if we can go back just so that I can clarify I just I'm not sure that I understand if one item gets unanimous and the other one just gets majority but one of them includes what the other one was I'm just I'm not sure that I entirely understand I'm wondering if staff can clarify or I don't want to drag this on any longer than it already is it's pretty late but I'm just I'm a little bit confused by the Parklets in the village alone getting a unanimous vote for it being addressed alone but then the Parklet and the village parking getting a majority which would also make it kind of what we focus on so I'm kind of confused on which one of these we're going to focus on in the coming year if I may take a stab at it the way I read it is that both so we're going to be reviewing the park the Parklet and parking program that's how I see it as a priority for this year I think it was a we added that as a stand-alone item because that vice mayor story presented it presented it he wasn't interested in or excuse me he wanted them together because they go hand in hand are we comfortable with that Jamie do you want to offer anything before I see hands raised from council I do think though that having both of these doesn't make a ton of sense we're going to have a conversation about both of them together or we're going to do line 18 which is to talk about the Parklet and figure out what we want to do but I think I sort of can't read them both and do both my thought was if you align after this meeting and before we get to any budget we're going to have to and before we get to any budget hearings was to kind of clean it up and consolidate and put the priorities up to the top and the ones that we're going to plan out until next year or future years then at the bottom bring it back during the budget hearing so on these I was going to combine them okay and I'm more than happy if we'd like to just add to item 21 a recap and if we want to do a vote a check through again to check in to make sure everyone's on the same page if that would help Council Member Peterson you mean in a future meeting no no like right now we could just say we can go over it because I see your point that it's either we would be doing one or the other or both right America Council Member Bertrand you know I think Council Member Keiser sort of said it best and maybe she could reiterate but the Parkland program it would be I think as she said so disruptive if we just sort of took it out right now there's so much writing on it for the merchants and I think story is saying that especially if we're going to make a permanent policy we really have to look at how everything works together long term this is the way I look at it I agree with Sam's story but I also agree with Council Member Keiser that we can't wait for the whole thing to be analyzed and worked on before we make a decision the Parkland program right now is so critical let's continue it since we have this deadline on the 31st of May until the coronavirus pandemic is over and then during that period of time we start working on moving forward with the overall program Thanks, yeah I think I need to clarify thank you Jacques that's totally what I was going for is sort of creating a program for the Parklets to be more accessible to the small business I do not personally think that we need to look at the meter rates within the village but if we are looking for more revenue to bounce back from what we've missed out on from Parklets, things like that I think we need to revisit the meter program sorry the pay by space of the back lots behind the police station and City Hall as a way to offset if the Parklets are going to greatly impact our income and along with making it feasible for the small business so I don't know if that needs to be a separate line like lots versus the village parking but that's sort of what I was getting at when I voted for the combo of the two if that makes sense Council Member Peterson okay can I if it's agreeable for Council Member Story and others can I make the recommendation that we make it a priority to review Parklets in the village this year and I don't want to review them separately but I don't want them bundled together so I'm wondering if there could be a I don't want to review them separately but I don't want them bundled together so I'm wondering if there could be a a a a so I'm wondering if there could be a compromise that we will review the Parklets in the village and outdoor dining independently of and first before reviewing a village parking program and hotel parking and parking lot parking does that make sense so we'll be prioritized 18 is now and 19 is subsequent to now yes and if it happens in this fiscal year so be it but it would it would need to be subsequent to 18 I think the main point is we have a COVID situation our downtown and our merchants and all the businesses that are there depends on us meeting their needs at this point and so that's a priority and not worry about the whole fiscal thing of the parking meters and stuff like that until we actually have the time I think we have a consensus story I guess I just wanted to share and for myself I don't know how I would make a decision about Parklets and granting them or denying them without knowing how much money it cost the city and whether there will wait for us to mitigate that expense that's all I'm saying and one way you look at it is looking at our parking revenue and I mean it says the village parking but I think that includes the lot lower and upper the beach parking and I think I don't know just in my mind you can't do these things independently unless I mean because there's going to be a great demand for parking that's just my anticipation and all the ones on the Esplanade and the one on Capitol Avenue the ones on San Jose and Jamie you can correct me if I'm not remembering this correctly but I think those were a significant amount of revenue that we lost and it would be a permanent reduction in our revenue now I don't know that that's a bad thing overall but I don't know how we evaluate parklets without analyzing the word park that's just my point of view and so and that's the way I would approach it and I'm regardless of what happens tonight I'm still going to look at it in that fashion Madam Mayor I address Sam's story's sure I just want to make sure before you do council member that we have the item listed correctly Vice Mayor's story correctly as you are stating it and I think that's line item I see post COVID I know you didn't say that but line item 19 so review parklet and village parking programs together with your item correct um well if village is if we all agree that it includes lower and upper beach parking lot and I'm not program I don't it's the parking meters I don't know why you know the program you know it's just a lot of that semantic so what I'm hearing is review parklet and parking and nothing else from Vice Mayor's story well yeah that would that would be fine and parking um yeah one of the parking rates um just I don't know if this helps at all but um when I'm I'm referring to parking program I'm I'm thinking of the meters in the village both the packed cove lot all of the different permits that we issue surf and coffee neighborhood permit just taking a look at everything we do which we charge for parking okay so I think we hear Vice Mayor's story um and I'm hearing Council Member Peterson be pretty clear that now is not the time to review parking or parking increases at this time but it's understandable that there will have to be some sort of analysis when we get into the parklet that of the parking meters and the effects on that and that's just going to come to a natural fruition when we evaluate the parklet so I um but I also want to I'm sorry Mayor Griffith to interrupt but I also want to clarify that my my suggestion of reviewing the parklets in the village is not just related to COVID-19 response that I think we should review them um that this isn't just let's review them based on the fact that we're still in a pandemic that I thought we should have a consideration of them um in light of or in consideration of the fact that we're in a pandemic and going to be moving out of it but not just do we want to keep them going during the pandemic that wasn't necessarily and I apologize I know this is getting kind of complicated I just wanted to make sure that that was and I agree that was neither what I was approving or we're talking about long-term parklets that includes funding and they have to look nice and could be possibly forever um okay so I'm going to review we're going to start with a line item 17 review village hotel parking permit and village parking program so this is just if we're going to be reviewing the parking program the cost if we would possibly increase it over time etc etc and use staff time to look further into that to our parking program so the village parking the loss of our lower lot if this wants to be we want to use staff time and make this a priority for this year so that's line item 17 all parking programs and there was nobody interested in that has anything changed okay now on the list then councilmember Kaiser did you want to change your opinion on item line 17 yeah and I do feel like maybe I'm just like spinning the wheel I'm not maybe I'm not explaining or getting to the point correctly if looking into the parklet program it gets overlooked because we are losing revenue on parking then I would like to look at the pack of lots as as gaining more money for us not necessarily the village parking so that that doesn't affect the small businesses so I don't I don't know like sure like I think what Sam is saying we're eventually it's all going to coincide and I don't know if there's any getting away with not looking at one thing and looking at the other and if it means compartmentalizing each space and like where we're looking at gaining revenue from if that's what it takes that's what I'm looking forward to to make it sustainable for for us and for the small business and maybe that's just in a grander scheme thing and that's totally fine but I just I think everything will have to be looked at and I see that's why you voted yes for item 919 because it counts the member Peterson I've got two things one and maybe it's a point of order has this gone to public comment yet I can't remember we did go to public comment before we started going through this yeah in that case I think and I understand that it's hard to separate these things when we're talking about budget priorities and where we want to spend our money but because we're all kind of spinning our wheels here and it's getting late I would make a motion that we approve our budget principles and goals except for line items 17 through 19 and that those come back to us as a separate agenda item for discussion on their own I'll second that with the proviso that Jim gives us some sort of read out of how he sees it in terms of finance in general alright so we have a first and a second I don't know Kristen agreed with me I think Jim has a large role to play here in helping us understand so that's what I was trying to inject in a future that's what I mean in a future item I think in a future item it should come back to us as its own agenda item saying here's the issue with the park list here's the issue with village parking here's the issue with lot parking and we can decide at that time which one of those three items if not all of them we want to address okay I totally agree with that we have a first and a second so hold on I just wanted to finish this motion that's on the table and I want to confirm with Samantha that we can do a roll call for this item and then move forward with the rest of the budget principles I have a matter of order because the parkland program ends on the 31st 21 what happens is yeah so this item better come back before then so we have some chance to move forward or we're going to have to continue the program that's my point if you want to answer now yes staff working on the park list and figuring out the future we will be working on that in the near term I mean that's going to be a big project for us to work on and so yes no we won't just have everybody take the tables out and not have a plan or a process in place to consider the future okay I just want to confirm that I do want to support what Kristen said as a second so with that confirmation I definitely support it Madam Mayor could you please repeat your question sir we had to accept an additional motion to add an agenda item so I had there was a suggestion on the tables to add an agenda item at this time to the new item and there was a first and a second do I just jump into a roll call it's a substitute motion in addition to what we have going on here that wasn't a substitute motion that was part of my original motion my original motion was to accept our budget principles and goals with the exception of item 17 through 19 that they'd be removed from our budget principles discussion all together and come back to us as its own agenda item that's just one motion oh I'm sorry okay so there was a first and a second on the table before we go to roll call is there any other items or any other questions before we go to roll call I do I'd like to add some additional items to the budget principles so before we do I feel like we have an I did not get to add my items to the list but if I'm going to at the stake of time and continuation it sounds like there's a motion a second do I have to take it or do we can I continue to add my items you could make a substitute motion or you could add your items and see if council member Peterson would accept a friendly amendment okay so council member Peterson I just have two things to add to this list to see if I would get council agreement on them would you be open to that substitute motion I think the substitute motion would have to be the addition of the items that you are about to put forward if I'm and correct me if I'm wrong Sam Samantha but I believe that I have a motion in a second so it's still open for discussion so you could offer up for discussion additional items to this budget document and then ask for an amendment to my motion to add those items into the approval that I've asked for is that correct right yeah okay so I and I don't want to skip over anybody else I don't think that's fair usually the mayor speaks less so there still is council comments are there any other council members who wanted to add things to the budget principles and goals I see Vice Mayor Story can raise I did too I'm council member Berksrand and as do I so Vice Mayor Story go ahead yeah thank you I just wanted to maybe direct our attention to one other CIP project and it could maybe be rolled into when those come back to us but lately I've heard a lot of comments from residents about the speeding on Park Avenue okay and you too I've been walking the street just to check it out it's bad well and and I know I mean in terms of budget you know the three ease of traffic calming enforcement engineering and education I would like I think we should set this as a budget goal so it's you know on our in our minds on our focus attention to try to stop the speeding on Park Avenue it's not all money but I think that would make combinations of strategies we could maybe slow things down so that's my item okay did you have any others to add Vice Mayor no that that's the only one okay Vice Council Member Berksrand what would you like to add to the list I have two items and you know I would refer these to Steve because I'd like to know eventually how they will jumble into CIP item one is the the little eucalyptus growth at Kennedy and Park the pathway through there is I think a hazard and it needs to be re-looked at it's asphalt that's breaking up and a lot of people are using it right now they can trip and fall and then the stairway at the end of the park needs to be looked at but I'd look to see to give some recommendations on that so that's one item the other item is Monterey Park gets a lot of use right now especially with a recreation director managing the reservations and stuff so I'd like to propose some what do you call it tables there you know table type things so that the people that use the park could also enjoy sitting down and maybe you know what a picnic table is for but people come by themselves also so if you notice the picnic tables in Noble Gulch Park they're getting a lot of use right now but you know something at Monterey Park would get a lot more use so that's the other idea Great. Council Member Keiger did you have anything of priorities this evening? I think you may even touch on it but I think we had spoken about it last meeting but signage is kind of something that we could revisit whether it's from the parking lot or even as you're entering the village and could possibly incorporate some of the small businesses I'll try and work with Kristen to reach out to the BIA and see what their involvement might want to be if there's like some sort of funding that goes into that through them as well that might work but I think just making the village more visitor friendly might be a good thing with the sign. Great. And then I'd like to add council already agreed for implicit bias training for ourselves as council but I also would like for city staff to have the opportunity to participate in implicit bias training as well and that takes some funding there as well as for us to prioritize the review of affordable housing opportunities in relation to the capital of mall and looking at potential community partners so this will take staff time and efforts and so because of that I would put it on here as a priority and building relationships Jim is what I are speaking relationship community or relationship. Okay so those are them I think the CIP projects will be brought forward to the next one to see if they're statistically possible and then so that's item 4041 42 so we'll start with item 43 and move on I see your hands are raised vice mayor story and vice council member trans okay so we'll just finish up with item 43 and on for council council member Peterson for the I'm sorry 42 do you like that to be a priority? you can just put my agreement for all of the items from 42 to 45 that makes it simple for me too to all of those vice mayor story 42 for the moderate park picnic table would you like that to be a priority? well I have residents requested if we have resident demand for a picnic table sure it seems like you know pretty easy item to accomplish you want me to go on to compare you're comfortable with just finishing up 43 let me ask the signage wouldn't that be part of CIP you talked about street signage no lower pack cove signage signs to the beach there's some in upper pack cove but it's just going to take some funding but I don't know is that a CIP project Jamie? as long as we pack cove we can take care of the staff level no perfect so guess what that's fine then yeah council member Kaiser it's going to happen next one we already agreed on council Jim so it would be just staff yeah I would say on that if there was volunteer I would agree with it and prior cars affordable housing and then council member for trans item 42 yeah just a little I'll go all the way down the ground just like Kristen did but a little background on Monterey park picnic tables organized a meeting this is ancient history around the issue of a skateboard park and one of the things that we thought of at that time was having picnic tables so that the people could watch their kids skate and stuff like that people in general at that meeting liked the idea of picnic tables all composed of neighbors up and down Monterey avenue I don't know if they feel the same right now but at that time they were all for the idea because they used the park yeah we'll skip item 43 what about 44 for training well I'm agreeing to all of them oh okay fantastic council member Kaiser I'm going to mirror stories responses thank you alright we have a first and a second I'd like to offer a substitute motion for council member Peterson if you would accept the updated budget principles and goals to your motion so is that an amendment to my motion a friendly amendment council member yes I will accept that friendly amendment are we sure we don't want to make it a budget principle to make our meetings longer I think we could do it guys if we really wanted to I agree with the friendly amendment okay we have our amendment can we have a roll call for you I agree I council member Peterson I'm going to vote no because I don't understand the reason for removing the park and park conversation as a goal but then agendizing it as a separate council item so no okay so that item passes for one we are not done yet spoke we're moving on to item 9c about Jamie you look like you have something to say yeah just to really quickly the process check I think I would recommend that we adjust item D on the agenda and either just continue it entirely to next meeting alternatively we could do an abridged version and just get the resolutions approved and then continue the overall CDB conversation until the 11th I can go either way but I think we could cover item D if we do an abridged version and just maybe 2 or 3 minutes that presentation or we could just continue the whole item for two weeks and then we can move on to item D or 9c okay can we get through 9c first I don't know if we should just if that's just going to be a are you suggesting we skip that one I'm sorry I'm not trying to make things more difficult I just know we have somebody on the call who if we're not going to do larger CDBG conversation at 11 o'clock at night I'd like to get them off the call that's all okay I think we can move through this item D so we're going to move on to item C and we can be done and we'll be done by 10 o'clock let's do that folks as our goal to be done so we'll see where we are with 9c so we're going to move on to 9c the pressure is on Mr. Jeffberg this item is yours that's I can get my screen shared I hope you can see my report this is a temporary project in this report we are also approving change order number 12 current status I'm sure you've all seen driving by it the building is progressing quite rapidly right now the exterior finishes of the building itself are about 95% complete interior finishes are being installed rapidly that includes ceilings upcoming we have quick stack installation, more carpeting, signage and finally some landscaping that will occur in site finishing so next six weeks we hope to reach substantial completion on the project quick history of the change orders 10 contract change orders have been previously approved for the city council policy since we last updated you on this project approved change order 11 which was done at a staff level based on that policy is for $22,367 for several items of unanticipated work mainly had to do with the materials that we had to deal with changes and just design that were decided were worth going forward and related issues like that they had nothing to do with the power line conflict change order 12 just before it's night I'll be honest one of the more painful change orders I've had to write completely related to power line issues for $580 $2402 most of that I'd say two-thirds of that is compensable delays that the contractor is due due to the delays caused by the problems with the plans but the change order does include changes in how they constructed the roof framing additional temporary bracing they needed to put in temporary roofing we put in to make it through the winters without putting in the formal roof and then we had to remove that temporary storm water plan modifications that needed to be made because we went through another winter and then scaffolding extra cost based but we put up scaffolding kills as much as we could took that scaffolding down because we couldn't leave it up but we were paying a rent on it and so then they had to come back and rescaffold it looking at the current financial summary of the project so the project budget which is $15,803,997 that's available funding that's in the staff report the actual approved budget is $15,150,000 we do have additional revenue about $650,000 they just come to the project and we're counting that as available funding is dedicated for this project it really couldn't go anywhere else the current project expenses including change order 12 or $14,964,000 leaving us a balance of $839,000 we do anticipate another $300,000 in change orders that have not been approved leaving us close to a $500,000 projected fund balance that project closed out so I wanted to slide through some pictures I was really quick here these were taken I think yesterday so they were very fresh this is the library sign you can't see it because the fence around the property that's at the corner of Orphan Claire's that would be behind the fence right here there's the building with the scaffolding down looking for more from Claire's coming looking the other way this is the entrance this is the just the other side of the building I like this picture I actually haven't been on site because of COVID for a couple weeks and this deck has gone in this is the deck behind the children's room which is right here that will have places to read and it connects to the top spot there there's the interior of the main room in the library you can see the lighting this is the finished roof material that is going on it makes it look like the underside of a ship this wall will get some soundproofing and other paneling on it so you can see definitely work under progress but we're making forward so this is an exciting picture of the children's room this is actually carpeting that has gone in in this room and it's all of this is tying with the leaf motif referring to bring the leaves from the park outside so we have leaves on the carpet here which finally fade away into the marbled carpet we have a reading nook here kids are able to sit in these little cutouts here read and have the leaf structure and then we have the public art that's part of this is hanging leaves from the ceiling that's quite a dynamic room it's going to be a lot of fun so our recommended action tonight is to receive the report improve contact change order 12 with auto construction from the capital branch library and we're going to move to council questions I see council member for yeah mayor is it appropriate I have a question about the oak tree that's next to the porch that's being built you know I because it's just for the approval of the change order perhaps you could ask staff offline about it I'm going to move to council questions I see council member perhaps you could ask staff offline about that okay thank you so much any other questions okay any questions of the public at this time we'll bring I do not see anyone with requesting comments on the side of mayor Brooks thank you so much Larry okay we'll bring this back for council deliberation and a vote do I have a motion we'll move I thought I thought I saw I thought I saw Margo's mouth move to say second but I didn't hear it so I wasn't sure I did both things but okay we have a second from council member Kaiser can I have a roll call please I approve council member Kaiser council member Peterson hi thank you so much Steve I know it's been a long night I love that library sign my daughter saw it and just freaked out I'm so excited okay thank you for the support yes item 9d I want to say thank you very much to our presenter who waited all night to address council so we're on item 9d adopted by the way we should approve the development block grant coronavirus number 2 application let's do it alright can you see my slides yes Katie thank you so much good evening good evening mayor and council I'm going to quickly go over the recent direction we got and tonight I'll be asking you to adopt a resolution following that we've got an update from Paul Ashby who is our CDBG grant administrator he's worked for the city for years administrating CDBG grants for the city as well as home grants so quick overview as you know the CARES Act passed in March of 2020 we went through the first round of CARES Act funding we're now entering into the second in the second round there's $320,261 for the city two requirements are that first there's a public hearing for the public to comment on the money and funding and that occurred on January 28 second we need to adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to submit the application and administer the grant and that is what I'll be asking you to adopt this evening the funds can be used in response to the COVID-19 pandemic for preparation, prevention, response and covering of the COVID-19 pandemic there are four types of activities under CDBG first is public services, second public facilities third housing for the homeless and economic development during my last update I let you know that there's $16 plus million in rental assistance that's going to go through the Treasury rental assistance program will be administered by the state so it's really exciting and it will be available our local residents will be able to apply for that funding and during our first round of CDBG money we put a lot of money towards food distribution and the discussion was that in the next round the city council was interested in utilizing money for economic development and grants so here's the first round of funding that was approved by the city council we are still waiting for the agreement from the state for a preliminary approval but the funding has not come in yet we're hoping to receive that in the next couple weeks or at least in the next month for round two as I stated there's $320,000 available on funds in this next round because we did three activities in the first round we're limited to one new activity and we can fund up to three previous activities when we met on January 28 the city council directed staff to put $45,000 towards previous activities so that's $15,000 to each activity for gray bears second harvest and community bridges they're very grateful that you get that news and the also council asked that the remainder of the money be utilized to cover administrative costs of administrating these grants and the rest put towards economic development in which the direction was for grants up to $7,500 to cover rent and utilities we're waiting from the state to bring out more guidance on exactly how we can guidance on those grants so we haven't gotten that yet once we do we'll be meeting with our ad hoc committee Paul, Ashby and Larry and I and to set up the guidelines for the new grant program we will be working with a partnership with SBDC the small business development center out of Cabrillo college who has so generously offered to run this grant for free for us so that it's supported in extra seven businesses so once we've set up the guidelines with then we will submit the application to HCD so tonight the one action I'm asking for the council to take is to adopt the two resolutions which would authorize the city manager to submit community CDBG-CV applications requesting up to $330,261 of CDBG-CV round 2 and 3 grant funds for the COVID-19 relief program and to execute the grant agreement upon reward and then next I'd like to introduce Paul Ashby who it's been a pleasure working with and as I've said he's helped the city with home grants in the past and CDBG grants and as we're going through this process of getting more money through the CARES Act all of our neighbors have been asking how are you guys getting such great help and who's helping you out he's in high demand and we're really happy to help him so Paul with that I'll let you take over the screen share and you can jump into your presentation thank you for the introduction Katie and good to see everybody mayor, members of the council city manager thank you can you guys hear me okay we can hear you okay I'm going to share screen here and see if we can get this going here can you see that screen it's loading there it is so as Katie mentioned we are going to briefly discuss the CDBG world the community development block grant program for the general cycle we've spent a lot of time on the CARES program which runs through CDBG but every year they also have a notice of funding availability at NOPA every year for an allocation of funds that they come out with that folks get to compete with so I am going to give you a brief overview of that program and then take any questions that you all might have on it so just quickly here on the CDBG program just to give members of the council just a brief overview if you're not familiar this was established back in 1974 through the housing community development act it's a federal program that runs down through the state the purpose of it is to provide decent housing suitable living environment expanding economic opportunities for folks that are low to moderate income low to moderate income in CDBG world is 80% or below the county median income so that's always our focus to be fun and then you have two programs under CDBG entitlement versus non entitlement and just to let everybody know that it's not aware you're in the non entitlement community along with 150 odd other cities, counties in the state that compete for these funds and if you're in the entitlement community HUD gives you a direct allocation every year so that's why we're talking about this NOPA to see if there's any desire by the council to pursue some of these funds so again just to reiterate you are a non entitlement community so you'll be competing for these funds if you choose to do so on January 29th HCD housing and community development department released their NOPA for 30 million dollars the amount of funds seems to keep shrinking each year obviously depends on the administration that's in office but again that number is 30 million and that's statewide just to remind folks on this call funding can be used for a wide range of things with CDBG it's one of the most multifaceted grant programs which is why a lot of folks like it housing, public services economic development, infrastructure and more I'll go into each of those just a little bit here in a moment and again I just want to reiterate that a national objective always has to be met with CDBG I list all three there benefiting low moderate income persons aid in prevention of slums of light immediate urgent needs 95% of the time maybe more that's going to be a benefit to low moderate income persons it's going to be the national objective that we focus on so in this round of funding jurisdictions are eligible to commit an application for up to three activities I've tried to lay out each one there that you can do and I'll try to hit on some specifics on it and some things to keep in mind so the maximum number there you see is $1.5 million and we have applications do on April 30 which is about two months away so it'll happen fast I go into each one of these on the next slide so I can go back to this when there's a discussion just so folks have these numbers in their mind quickly here I'll hit on home buyer assistance program so this is gap financing which is basically a silent second loan where payments are deferred for borrowers this is something you can apply for the borrower still needs to qualify for a primary mortgage and the city comes in in the back end of that loan and funds it so that they're actually able to purchase that house for those of you that are aware that they've previously implemented this program with CDB Jane Money it was a 14 contract from the years 2015 through 2017 in partnership with the local housing authority housing rehabilitation program is another activity that's eligible this round similar to a home buyer loan program it's another silent second so payments on it can be deferred and it's aimed at homeowners that are trying to rehabilitate their homes and bring them up to code alleviate safety health concerns weatherization improvements I do always point out to folks that these programs are extremely administrative heavy to implement it's better to work with an organization that does this or has experience in it you did run this type of program again back in 2015-17 with that same CDB grant and again that was with the housing authority as well public services this is another big one here that CDBG does a lot of funding for and folks compete for so the CV, the CARES money that ADGIS went over when we talked about you know gray bears and community bridges that's what those organizations fall under is the public services so this is the pay for labor supplies material for any type of eligible public service and there is a huge list that you can do and I only did a handful here homeless services recreational services like a youth scholarship program health services, meals on wheels food distribution crime prevention we see youth programs gang prevention etc. so there's a really lengthy list on public services technical assistance they only allocate a small portion of funds for this but this is really aimed at folks that are looking to get studies done that I really will lead to a feasible project or a program the maximum on these is $250,000 I've listed some examples there we've seen folks use them for master plans CIPs updating your transportation, bike head plans and again the idea is that they end up coming to fruition to a project it's the idea there was the CDBG and then lastly an eligible activity is economic development this is what at the end Katie was just describing what the CARES Act that's proposed in your resolution and I which is a business assistance program so again this is aimed at providing working capital to businesses either in the forms of loans or grants and the idea is that you're assisting these individuals so that they can retain or create low-moderate income jobs eligible uses there I've listed payroll, rent, utility equipment a little wide range of things that you can use them for and again you are going to be utilizing your CDBG CD money for that type of a program non-eligible activities just why I wanted to put these out there for folks we cannot do any improvements to general code conduct of government type of building political activities income payments and construction of new housing you can do all sorts of different housing you can do rehab, home buyer you can do multi-family acquisition in rehab but you cannot do new housing with CDBG dollars so tonight we wanted to give you an overview so that I could just bring this back in front of council I think it's been a few years at least since council and staff has at least decided on possibly pursuing these funds and it sound like this might be of interest tonight so we want to answer any questions that some activities that may come up we would need to come back and hold another public hearing CDBG is very big on that we have to do citizen participation so we would do another public hearing and another date and bring back an application and a resolution most likely in April before that deadline of April 30th so I'm going to go back a slide before I get to questions and I will turn it back to Katie here and I'm going to leave this screen just so that it gives you the activities and the dollar amounts that we're looking at one item that I'd like to hit on for public services because I think we can probably discuss that a little bit tonight it's up to $500,000 you could do your three activities can go towards public services so you feasibly you could do three activities for up to $500,000 total it would not be $200,000 per public service activity I just want to reiterate that so more along the lines of $200,000, $200,000, $100,000 would be a split that you could do for a public service so I will leave that screen up if that helps both and Katie I can turn it back to you or mayor, members of the council if you have any questions I'm happy to answer Katie you're muted thank you Paul I do want to take a moment I have taken the time to look through our grants that we do have previously funded and were unable to fund this past year and if the city council were inclined to move towards funding going through another CDBG project at this time I think it's something that we could definitely administer and it would be to administer public services up to the half a million dollars I think that is within our bandwidth I just want to reiterate when Paul talked about the home buyer assistance it was really finding a needle in the haystack when we found one qualified buyer last time we provided that service and housing rehabilitation was tough and we know it put a lot of administrative burden on our housing authority and they would not be able to carry that out for us so I think if we'd like to do housing rehabilitation I would suggest that we look at that as a future program possibly once the coronavirus efforts are behind us and we've administered the CV grants and then but public services with half a million dollars that could take a load off of your home it could provide some great money for some great establishments in our area so I'm going to go to council for questions and I think Vice Mayor stories Henry Thank you Mayor, thank you Paul for that overview of CDBG my question was I believe I heard you say that we would need to have a public theory to take community input prior to the applications being submitted but on tonight's recommended action is to approve the resolution that already specify the recipients and the amounts so could you reconcile that for me how why we do that before holding the public hearing? Absolutely councilmember so the resolution and public hearing that you have and we've combined two items is what's happened so the resolution that you're approving tonight is for your CDBG CV money, your CARES money and this is their general NOFA a completely different pot of money that we're dealing with so separate application, separate pot of money separate resolution everything would come back to council at a later date Thank you Councilmember Peterson Thank you I just wanted to confirm I think on one of the pages it says we were going to get 330,000 in funding and the other one said 320 and I just wanted to make sure that I have it right in my notes I'm sure it was just like a typo on one page or the other but I was wondering if you could confirm if it's 320 or 330 I think it's 320 I think page 45 320,261 Thank you so much Paul, I have a question for you you mentioned economic development as a possible opportunity for CDBG grant dollars Katie, you touched on that it is within our city's bandwidth should we be granted the 500K for public service however if we were to apply for the 500K for the economic development would we have to do something similar to what we're doing now with the CDBG CDB dollars and outsource that again so that all makes sense Yes, I believe so and Katie, I'll jump in Mayor Yes, I would recommend the same thing you would want to partner with somebody like that we have for the CDB funds to actually implement that the CV funds we're trying to focus those more on one time grants to try to assist as many folks as possible to be honest with you, most of the economic development programs that you typically see folks run is much higher limit and much more I would say there's a focus more on loans and working capital when you do a business assistance program with CDBG so folks the state's guidelines used to say things like you should be providing up to $100,000 to some of these people so it's really a lot of working capital compared to what we're describing in the CDB grant Okay, so the same question is Katie have we looked at any possible CIT projects that we would take on should we attempt the other so there was the public service, there was economic development and there's one that you could do for CIT projects have you looked into that at all as so Paul explained to me on a previous call that the CIT projects they had so many come in during the last round that they actually have an ongoing list so there's very low probability that we'll be awarded a CIT project because they're continuing to work off the list from the prior year okay and if I may Mayor I'll add one thing there on the when I mentioned CIT tonight that was directly in reference to doing a planning planning document only for a CIT not necessarily a project what Katie mentioned is correct every year typically they allow for you to come in for infrastructure and last year they did an over the counter process and it was completely oversubscribed so they are funding down from that list with the money they have available this round so they're not really taking any more applications for infrastructure per se okay thank you alright so I see no other questions anybody from the audience who has any questions or comments at this time for item 90 Mayor Brooks I do not see anyone wishing to comment on this item okay so I'll bring it back to council comment and deliberation so we have the recommended action is to adopt the two proposed resolutions authorizing the city manager to submit the CDBG-CV application for round two and three related relief programs and to execute the grant agreement upon award and then we are also seeking council recommendation on whether or not to move forward with the additional grant opportunities as presented by Paul Ashby is that correct so any comments or questions or comments from council okay do we have a motion on the table to adopt item 90 we'll move on second okay we have a first from council member Peterson and a second from council member Kaiser I saw you were muted council member Bertrand can I have a roll call please council member Bertrand I agree for Peterson aye vice mayor's story aye and then if we can offer do you need additional recommendation from council the next step should we take that as a motion Samantha would you agree with that as a secondary motion or do you just want a consensus from council tonight you don't need to make a motion you just give directions to staff okay so I'll take the liberty to give direction at this time because I promise we'd be done at 10 o'clock it's 10 20 so if I can get nods from council that we would like staff to move forward with the CDBG grant for the NOFA back to council prior to the April 30 deadline is that all you guys need from us okay I see consensus alright Paul I appreciate your time we've been asking for I've been asking for this for a long time and I'm very excited to hear all the opportunities out there so thank you very much for staying on tonight I appreciate your time absolutely thank you mayor and thank you council members you all have a wonderful evening thank you all for your patience appreciate it alright we'll move on to item 10 council fantastic job hard work so many hours thank you to staff thank you to our participants for being here tonight please remember to find the good in others and yourself goodnight everyone thank you goodbye