 Mr. Mishra, why do you wish to join 7Service? Sir, I want to be there. Oh, you are here. I am sorry. So, why do you wish to make a change? Sir, although India's railway traffic is a very good service and provides a very dynamic platform. But sir, I am looking for the Indian administrative services or police services. The reason being so that it is going to provide me a platform where I can make the changes at the systemic and policy level. On number two, sir, what I feel that this IAS will provide me a platform where I can utilize my previous knowledge in more dynamic and bigger canvas. So, what qualities do you possess which will make you a good 7Service like an IAS or IPS or foreign service? Sir, number one, integrity, if I say, and the China has manifested many things in my previous job, sir. Number two, sir, perseverance. And third, I least, sir, progressivity. That means learning from the past and improving always. Picture yourself as an SP of the district and then think more politely about it. Sir, number one, form decision maker. I mean, we are understanding the sensitivities and taking a clearly understanding, reaching to a decision. Number two, sir. Decisive, yes. Number two, sir, being unbiased. That being fair to each individual, sir. And abide by rule of law. Definitely. And also lead from the front. Lead from the front. Yes, sir. You are a leader. And what are the benefits? Sir, PRN means public interest litigation, which was started in India in nearly 1980s or early 1980s. It means that general public can reach to the, directly to the Supreme Court or the judiciary and other courts, higher court to seek the justice. And, sir, advantage is that now it has made the justice accessible to the general public. Or is it, if I just down the some examples, like, sir, Visakha Vaidyan has now started a PIA. Various environment-friendly measures, like a ban put by the Supreme Court on the regional vehicles. Then, sir, a ban on the, like, other measures, Sabhi Mala issue, that was also kind of a PIA. What is the latest position on this Visakha ban? Sir, still... Sir, Visakha Vaidyan scored for the prevention of the sexual harassment at the workplace. And for that, the government has, this Indian parliament has enacted the prevention of the sexual harassment at the workplace, up to 2013. Yes, and now those guidelines are now law. Yes. It was... It was guidelines and law. Okay. Then why, since we have, already we have a law. And why this Me Too movement? Sir, Me Too movement is a campaign where, where it has been encouraged that women should come forward and put the fact that women has been harassed in the past and to provide a platform so that they can speak. This is a platform and a various kind of campaign which has encouraged women that not to be silent, sufferer and come forward and put their grievances in the public so that perpetrator can be... Why not take a request to the law, legal process? Has law failed them? Did law fail them at that point in time? Sir, what my understanding is that there are some deficiencies in the law. There is difficulties in the filing of IRs. Women face difficulties in going to the police station. There has been cases where, when women have approached the legal system, these police stations... If we say, if we use the term rule of law, what do you mean by this? What is rule of law? Sir, rule of law is a term which was coined by E.V. Dicey which means that each and every one is equal in the eyes of law. No one is in the law and no one is... Each and every person should be treated equally. Okay. This encounter is in mute. Encounters in UP is to be very specific. Sir. What do you think of this? Are encounters justified? How well do we draw a line? What are right encounters and what are fake encounters? Sir, first thing I would mention that in UP, crime rate is very high and there is a need to take effective actions and that too without delay. But sir, encounter seems valid. Many times, it seems a violation of the human rights when it is not followed after following a standard operating procedure. Like not even a very quick warning are badly fighting upon them or not fighting below the waist or legs. So first, a standard operating procedure should be followed. Even then, first there should be effort made to select criminal surrenders. And after that... If he does not surrender, you should say. No sir. First, a warning should be given, other alternatives like fire cannon or other alternatives are there and that does not work because then fire should be made in the legs killing is not an option sir. But if the firing is from... Even if the person is unarmed or just because he is evading a rest, you kill him. Sir, killing is not. First, if a fire is being made, you mean that you can injure him if he is evading a rest? Yes, exactly sir. Now, can you tell us what is this Ayodhya case? What is the issue there in this Ayodhya case? Sir, it is a land dispute case between the various parties which are claiming land and it is subjugated in the Supreme Court which is nearly about to pronounce the judgment. So it is a land title soon and which has often taken the color of the communism in the... Do you think the Supreme Court decision settled the issue controversy? Sir, up to the some extent but it also depends on the public how they perceive the judgment whether they think that this is biased, unbiased and what they perceive sir. So, historically sir, roots of the communism in the UP has... I mean due to its population composition and other factors, it is very deep. So, if... Siltan recently moved an application in this case. Are you aware of that? Sir, as far as mind-knowledge it has asked to pronounce the judgment as soon as possible. The hearing has not taken place of judgment. They have moved an application for release of some quiet man. Are you aware of that? Okay. Now, can you tell us the surveillance notifications? It was in news and controversy why? Sir, there were two issues. One is that government has... government has put a notification that phone calls and whatever the communication base those can be intercepted after some figures... after permission from the certain parties and second was regarding the monitoring of the social media platform if you are asking sir. No, it was to do with computers. Okay, thank you. You've written documentary making as you're impressed. So, which documentaries have you made in the last three years? Ma'am, one is she for herself. It is regarding the women empowerment and second is Ma'am for some of that area, sir. So, where did you show these? Document piece? Yes, Ma'am in my department or my social media and also YouTube. Okay. And you've got a good response? Yes, Ma'am, definitely. So, there were two documentaries also. One was India's Daughters and the other was Daughters of India. One was banned, the other was a kid. Why do you think one of them was banned? Do you have any idea about this particular documentary? Ma'am, India's Daughters was a documentary made by the DC producer Lisey Lutey in 2013. It was regarding the 2012 gang rape. So, in that documentary Lutey Lutey took the interview of one of the culprit in the jail. Yes, ma'am. So, that's why Mr. Bowe took it as an office that there were two reasons, ma'am, that it was illegal to take integral in the jail and second government gave a reason that it may create a negative sentiment and create a ban on... But there already was a negative sentiment after the rape case. So, why was the government doing so sort of... trying to ban the movie? Ma'am, the conditions made by the country was... That's what was important. Yes, ma'am. All right. Now, you are also an electrical engineer and you also did the degrees. What happened to this train meeting yesterday? Ma'am, there was a jamming of the brakes which has caused some problem in the operation. What happened there? Lutey Lutey had an overrun. From the pipe... or in a big pipe was jammed and he slipped into the jamming of the train. But then, you know, we talk of this as the fastest train and we are not able to keep our tracks clear of animals. There's always a conflict between the human and the animal. So, what can be done? Ma'am, in the certain areas, cat and population is really high. It's not just the cat and population. It's also the people who lived close to the tracks. Right. And the train meeting was also... there were some stone-pelting incidents also. Yes, ma'am. There are many factors, ma'am. Whenever a thing comes... so people are resistant to allow the change. Like, it was under the case that Shatavya and Rathani also... But people on the tracks, everyone on the sides, they are, in any case, are not going to use this train. So, why should they resist a particular train coming or going? So, that argument is not very valid. Okay. What are the forces of accidents in the big waves? Ma'am, there are multiple factors. Suppose you classify them into two or three. What would you say? The biggest one is non-delay waves. Delay waves. Relay waves. Come to the factory in the fields. Yes. And second thing is, ma'am, unmanned labor process. Yes, but now I read an article or a news item saying that we are removing all of them. Yes, except on the... Except one is the UP. The UP. UP and also on the small page. Yes, ma'am. So, why those are not important? Ma'am, our tracks, those root kilometers, maybe are mainly on the broad gauge. So, narrow gauge is in the very limited area. So, our priority was that first we should look for removing the unmanaged labor process on the broad gauge. Okay. So, why is the labor process? Anything else? Now, due to the fault of the single quantity signaling system, many times. Okay. And fourth thing is, ma'am, due to the human error, which has happened in the... So, what happens? What are the human errors? One, of course, we don't take care. Other than that? Ma'am, it can start from, like, station master gets the improper signal. Then there can be a fault of the local pilot. Then not anything like the signal properly drunk and driving to be able of the reason. Not following... Not following the standard... Despite observing the signal, there may be a... Delivered. Delivered. Kind of like... He may claim to observe the signal that... You say you bring them into, say, lack of training or, let's say, fatigue because you do give overtime to your drivers. So, do you think those are practice? Definitely, ma'am. Because key to take the issue of what I'm calling, many times in these local pilots, there is a shortage of manpower. All right, all right. Now, one more question. Since you were with the housing board also... Yes, ma'am. You were? So, this radar... I don't know, radar? There is... There is... I don't know. Has this helped home buyers? As far as ma'am present, the status is that only 21 states have adopted this. So, this is definitely a good measure to enforce the transparency in the housing sector, which has earlier been used of various practices and of land use. So, many of the registration under the radar, then the provision of the separate... Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Mishra, I'd like to ask you something on this recent event. Now, the detailed group which has claimed responsibility is the Jai Shankar. Yes, sir. Who is the leader of Jai Shankar? Sir, Maulana Masood Azhar. Masood Azhar. Masood Azhar was at one time in India, was he? Yes, sir. How did he get released? Sir, it was the claim, actually, of the Indian Airlines, ICA. That's it. So, he had to be released throughout two others. Yes, sir. When the claim landed in Karnataka. Now, my question to you is this. You've been reading in the newspapers that we have been trying to get Masood Azhar declared as a terrorist under the UN resolutions, right? Yes, sir. China opposes it? Yes, sir. Now, a lot has been made about China's opposition. My question to you is, what will we gain? Even if Masood Azhar is declared terrorist under that? What will we gain by it? Sir, a claim is that even 1, 2, 6, 7 communities that exist are this government. So, sir, then this Masood Azhar will be designated as a global terrorist under the UN. Then countries which are giving shelter to India, they will be posed to actions against them and there will be certain curtailment in the funding. No countries giving shelter except Pakistan. Yes, sir. The reason I am asking this is that half the same of the Lashkar was declared as a terrorist by the same committee in 2008 after the Bombay. Right? And India had given a huge dossier of Pakistani involvement in the attack. What has happened to India? Nothing. He is moving around in Pakistan. Yes, sir, but there was last year I would say there was he was put in the house rights. So, from time to time, they put him in the house and then again he left. But actually, it is going to make a pressure and one thing is that it will bring the pressure. So, whenever terrorist it will be committed by him. So, the particular country which is settling must be in the house. So, which are the three major attacks for which Jayesh is responsible in the recent? Sir, before that for bone attacks I would say. Yes. And now in Kashmir apart from the terrorists, we also have the Guriat the all party Guriat conference, right? Now, what is their stand so far as Pakistanis so far as Kashmir students? Sir, Guriat leaders have adopted a separate stand that they want they don't want to merge into the Pakistan they want to separate Kashmir in a very direction. True. But their stand is that they do not accept the accession of Kashmir to India. Yes. And they demand that the UN resolution should be implemented which means a referendum should be Yes. So, that's what they say. Yes. Then the people should be ascertained but primarily they are ascertained. Okay. Let me come to something else. Now, you know the Supreme Court had issued certain guidelines relating to a point of DGPs of the states. Sir. What are those guidelines? Sir, first thing is that senior most person from the would be list of the three senior most person will be sent by the senior in your other installation. Yes, sir. It's the other way around. The UPSC will prepare a panel. The UPSC will prepare a panel. And yes, sir. And then the state government will have the option. Now, the issue here is that five state governments had objected to this procedure. And they had submitted they would find a petition and they ascertained that saying that law What is your view on this? Do you think the standard is justified? No sir. The reason being that the police reform is a long-pending circumstance, since 1996 after the Karachi judgment, sir. And although law and order is a state subject, but this is all India's service controlled and controlled by the union. So, union may have a seat for the transparent and transparent selection. Now, what do you understand by extradition? Extradition is a legal process to bring back a second person from some other country through some legal process. Now, we have been trying to get Vijay Malaya back. Now, apart from Vijay Malaya, can you think of any other persons who have been extradited to India very, very recently from the UAE? Sir, Amu Jindal. No, I am talking about very recently. You heard of Krishan Mishir, Krishan Mishir and Rajiv Saxena, they were brought in for what? The Augusta Western helicopter team. What are the status of Vijay Malaya? Sir, he has signed a counter prediction in the UK that he will not be extradited. He has signed an appeal. Thank you. Do you know the concept, good governance concept of the World Bank? Yes, sir. Are you aware of it? Yes, sir. It has eight parameters. Yes, sir. Can you identify those parameters? Sir, I can find some characters. Sir, number one, rule of law. Then, sir, public participation. Number three, sir, responsiveness, transparency, accountability, efficiency, effectiveness. Efficiency and effectiveness is recommended. So, if you became the DM of Kanpur Dehaat, what problems of the people, of the rural people would you try to solve first? Sir, first priority would be focusing on the primary health care with special emphasis on the reducing IRR and MMR. All right. That care is the first priority. And second priority would be focusing on the primary education that involves the female literacy. Primary education will be your second priority. And third priority, sir, that improving the performance of the agriculture. Okay. Wouldn't you say that poverty and hunger are far more pressing problems than education? First, you take care of the persons. Sir. Unemployment is a serious problem. First, I fill the belly of the person. I give them some job. And then I take care of his health and his education and his agriculture. I have some different opinion that poverty and unemployment focusing may be a short-term solution. But when, sir, I see that then these health and education, sir, was a long-term big priority. Yeah, but you are there hardly for two years. It's not there to see the results of what you will do. That does not matter. But, sir, in long-term, these are going to... So, your priority will still remain healthcare and not poverty elevation and hunger elevation. And hunger elevation will not be your immediate priority. Sir, immediate priority will be your debt. But I mean, definitely, these will be my top priorities, sir. Now you are changing the... No, sir. My priorities... My immediate priority will be now hunger. Sir, my priorities will be the... Yes, it will be the... Yes, sir. Because these are going to be benefiting the ground from... All right, all right. So, you would not be much bothered about implementing manrega and food security act, you know? No, sir. This is not exactly what you are saying. You would rather go for Ayushman Bharat. First, you would focus on that, training on the vacancies of teachers and best schools. That will be your first priority, correct? Second. Not immediate. Sir... There are tools available to you. There are schemes available to you. Public distribution system is under directly under the correctness control. That... Sir, definitely, these will be my priorities, but I am not saying that these are not my priorities. If you became the SP of Kanpur Deha, what would be your three most important priorities? Sir, number one, curbing the organized crime. Organized crime. There is organized crime in... Yes, sir. In Deha or in the city? Sir, in the... Because there is no demarcated boundary in the city and that rural area. So, there is... Organized crime is your first priority. Second thing is that these gender related crimes... Gender related crimes. Yes, sir. That is very prominent in the world. What else? Then, sir... What? Sir, there are a lot of... Now, can you give me an idea how much organized crime is taking place in Deha and for the last three years? Sir, I am moving. No idea. Can you give me an idea of how many communal riots or incidents have taken place in the last two, three years? Sir, I am not aware of the data, but yes, sir, I have gone through the reports and within the incident. You know Meenika Gandhi case? Yes, sir. Supreme Court has given a judgment? Yes, sir. With which article which is associated? Article of the Constitution. Article 21. 20. Correct. Now, what principle has been awarded in this case? Sir, procedure established by law was... Replaced by... Replaced by... Not replaced by due process. Will you please explain due process of law? Sir, due process of law is based on the principle of national justice, sir. That judiciary can examine the any law from not only from not only from the... Is it applicable to judiciary? This new process. Sir, in the case... What is that your passport had been arbitrarily confiscated? Sir, it is about the right to life, sir. That right to life and personal liberty. Personal liberty... So, let us be clear. Sir, that any person's liberty cannot be curtailed by arbitrary law. It should be rational, sir. And followed by the principle of national justice. Okay. Now, India has brewed a large number of foreign investors on Fulvana incident. You must have read the papers. And second attempt is for India. It is trying to isolate Pakistan on this issue. Now, which countries have come out strongly in our favor? How many? Sir, number one, I would say France. Number two, sir, USA. USA has said that India has a right to self-defense. I see. India has a right to self-defense. USA says it. What does France say? Sir, France has also unequivocally said that it is with India in order to save its... It is? ...with India to save its... All right. ...and fight against terrorism, sir. As an Indian, are you satisfied with this response? Sir... Or it is just a repetition of old... Oh, we are with you. But you take care of yourself. Sir, as far as the France is concerned, I can see that it has always been... It has always been stood with India formally against terrorism. Because France has also been victim of the... We are satisfied with the response. Yes, sir. I mean, whenever it negates, France will be able to deal with them. So you are satisfied with the response? You are saying France. But not many other states have come in our favor. Yes, sir. So... Do you think we will be able to buy children from this? Sir, terrorism isn't meaningless. And definitely... Yes, European countries... Because terrorism is now expanding in the... And you are not answering my question. Yes, definitely, sir. What... It will be... Yes, definitely, sir. Because image of India is very good in the... Not... And definitely, we will be able to... We will be able to... After we... We tried to... We thought of it, but we didn't pursue it. All right. Railway, do you see some green shoes in respect of Makin India project in the railways? Sir, sorry. Do you see some... Some beginnings of Makin India in the railway sector? The beginnings of Makin India. Sir. Yes, then say... Yes, sir. Where? If not, then say so. Yes, sir. The first thing is that the recent example that... When they... This is the Makin India, sir. What about India? It has been... And the second thing is that... We are... As a prime minister, how would you feel? One day you go to power and in a second it fails? Sir. Is it an achievement? Sir, it may be a failure, but we are... But it is still an achievement. Yes, sir. Because... It may be a failure, but it's still an achievement. Yes, sir. Right. All right. So this is... Anything else? Anything bigger you can... Yes, sir. We are... We have... Put certain factories for the manufacturing of the locomotives in the Madhya Pradesh, in Madhya Pradesh, in Bihar, sir. So that is also making India, sir. But how does it become Makin India? Sir, we are going to get technology and this is being... Going to be manufactured in India. Who is going to manufacture? Sir, although companies are foreign companies, rich companies. Sir, General Electric and... General Electric is where and what is it doing? Sir, General Electric is from the USA. Yeah, but where is... In which place? Adyapura or Maroda? Sir, it is in the Maroda. Yes. What will it do? Sir, manufacturing in India. Yes. Do you... Are you in favor of it? Sir, I would say visual liberalization, not complete and not in the abrupt manner. All right. What are your priorities? Sir, first I will go with the privatization of the non-correctivities. All right, sir. This manufacturing process, which I mentioned that manufacturing this is not the core job of the India. So manufacturing can be given. Yes. Then the pathing and then some other non-correctivities like internet, Wi-Fi, key media. So this is the first... And later on going through the privatization of the operation it is possible. Electrical is your subject, right? Yes. Now, there are two major initiatives of government. Indeed, there are... I mean Jyoti Yojana and so Bhagya. What are they meant for and what is the success of these two? Sir, then there are the Padhyayi Grammar in Jyoti Yojana is for the liberal electrification. It has four... It has certain objectives like 100% household... 100% electrification of the villages, then some strengthening the transmission and the sub-transmission and distribution network and segregation of the agricultural and atomistic figures. So as far as the first objective is concerned, sir, we have nearly achieved the 100% electrification of the villages. And this segregation of the figures has also been carried out. And, sir, so far this... for the last mile connectivity of the electricity that we are providing electricity in the households. How many households have been targeted in the nation? Sir, initially four more households were... What is the progress? Sir, maybe 1.5 crore has been affected by it. Yes, sir. We close the interview or give you a little feedback. Mr. Mishra, by and large you have handled the interview nicely. Most questioning will be as we feel will be based on your time. Sir. Then on constitutional principles. Third would be on important judgments of the city. Fourth will be current affairs. In current affairs, you can say, like we have asked you about Kulma and Seedent, there can be budget also. Sir. I will just go one by one and... UP, UP is your... It is your state. Therefore, UP, you must have a lot of knowledge. Like its growth rate, its problems. You have been asked about encounters, et cetera, you know, those are the problems. communal situation is also very easy to achieve. So those are the problems. Then they can even ask you what are the strong points of UP, what are the weaknesses of UP, et cetera. So just check out its economy, GDP, size of GDP, et cetera. Then the electrical engineer becomes your important subject. On which we have, I have asked you only two questions, but thank you more. They talk about smart metering, et cetera, et cetera. Would I see how it is working for those areas? Just think of four, five questions. Then your extracurricular activity, like documentary making, et cetera. And credit, like all this is important. Sir, can I ask one question? Sir, like when I was mentioning about the priorities, so... I'm not going to answer that. I'll just give you a minute. Now, these are situation, situation questions, like DIM and all. My suggestion to you is, think of the basic problems of the people. You see, first is hunger and poverty. And I have got schemes. Mangrega is there, PDA system is there. I'll introduce you to that. But at the same time, I will not forget things like health. For which there are schemes. Now Ayushman Bharat has said, I'll introduce this. This is how you choose. But your basic is a man who is dying of hunger. He receives first practice. In the SPSSP, you go for the basics. Cases are not being registered. Registered investigations are shorty or delayed. Conviction rate is 22%. People are scared of going to the police station. Don't think of big things like organization. Think of the basics. That is what happens. I'll introduce you to that. So, go for the basics. And the most important things. After that, please look at the constitution issues. The rest of the documents are very good. Let's see if you have any questions. Sir, I said terrorism is making documentary on terrorism. It is my office also. In Palamas and what people are doing. Just three or four questions. No, why do you think that you should be since making the documentary on terrorism? You must fully understand what is happening. Which are the groups? Like Lashkarateva, Jai Shein Mohammad, and then Kashmir and Hizbukh Mujahideen. No, but what is happening here? Half a saint has been roaming around freely. After the Bombay attack, they had put him under house arrest. That was just a formality. Then again, he was out. Then again, after some time, they put him. What is happening to the Judicial Commission, which was established by Pakistan after the Bombay attack. Then JIT was established after the Air Force attack in 2016. That team came to India. They were given all. Nothing has happened. It's just, since you are here, how we can do that? And you mentioned it. I am fully aware of what is happening. Basically, Pakistan is not doing anything. And the other countries are not willing to coerce them into permission making. That is the basic issue. And about this isolating Pakistan, we never have to do it. We have to do it, we never do it. China sitting there, even America wants Pakistan. It is likely to be the prime minister. It is all airy period. And we have to deal with it ourselves, without worrying about America's response with China. So we can go on doing a diplomatic part, but we have to handle it ourselves. It's our own baby and our problem. So with our experience, what we have to do? So we have to handle it. And we can never rationalize it. No country is going to handle it. Sir, I mean, then there comes a counter question that CCIT, then sir, I mean, they can be talking about fighting terrorism. That's it. Without CCIT, we'll be able to fight terrorism. So what should be added? NCKC. Not CCIT. What are you doing? CCITC. It's a Comprehensive Convention on Intellectual Terrorism, sir. That's all. I'll talk to you. You can wait. I'll talk to you. Thank you.