 So, welcome everyone to this World Water Week session, The Harder Resilience. We're really happy to see you here and looking forward to explore the connection between gender, abortion, climate change. The session is organized by CMAVI, WaterAids, Stockholm Environment Institute, the Asian Disaster Preparedness Center and the Center for Social Planning and Administrative Development in Kenya. My name is Sandra Von Zullen. I'm Program Manager at CMAVI and I will be your host for the session today. And we're looking forward to an open exchange and also hear from you in the chat box and later on in breakout rooms. And we're also eagerly to share with you some tools and methodologies to understand the interlinkage between gender, water, climate change. Yeah, so before we dive into the context, some ground rules. So please make sure your microphone stays on mute. For questions, please or comments or anything you want to share with us, please use the chat box in Petapol. That's where you joined the session today. And if you have any technical issues also please let us know then we will do our best to solve it. We have a poll in the Petapol platform. There are actually three questions we would like you to answer to know who is in the room. So you see the poll option as well on the Petapol platform on the session page. And here we have three questions for you. First, where are you from? Where are you calling in from? Secondly, what kind of organization are you working for? Certainly be very interesting to hear. Yeah, how would you describe your level of confidence on the gender wash and climate change interlinkage? So are you maybe a bit new to the topic or you feel you already have some more experience? Please let us know in the poll on Petapol. Great. So next up I would like to share a bit more about the program today. So we'll first set the scene for you to explain why it's important to talk about this topic. And secondly, we'll have a panel discussion where we will have four speakers sharing different modalities and tools that can be used to understand better. Yeah, what's going on on the nexus between gender wash and climate change and how this can help us to use the on tap potential women. For that, we will go into a breakout session to really have an interactive discussion and have more time to dive into the tools and medologies. And then we have a plenary closing. So that's how the program looks like. And then without further ado, I would like to introduce Catherine Far. She is a senior policy advisor for international climate action water aid. And Catherine is based in London and works on climate and wash and gender issues. She says she has over a decade of experience in science policy implementation with a particular focus on water and climate. So Catherine, please take the cultural floor and help us to set the scene for the session. Thanks so much Sandra. It's a real pleasure to be here today with everyone. And so as Sandra said I'm going to set the scene a little bit about what we mean when we talk about climate wash and gender. But without access to safe and sustainable water sanitation and hygiene, often shortened to wash people in rural areas and cities are more exposed and less able to cope with climate hazards like droughts, floods, disease, sea level rise and uncertain The world needs to act now to protect communities from the impacts of climate change. There are so many ways that protection can happen through mitigating future risks by decreasing our carbon emissions and other emissions that are accelerating climate change. And by helping communities adapt to the impacts that have happened and to help them build resilience so they can thrive in the face of climate change. Adaptation and resilient measures are critical for these communities and they need to happen now. But without a crystal ball to know exactly what the impacts of climate change will be for each community. There is hesitancy in how to act. This has resulted in adaptation being underfunded as everyone looks for perfect no regrets or low regrets solutions. In other words, solutions that have no or very few drawbacks regardless of what climate future turns out to be the reality. What would these solutions look like? What can we do that won't have big negative consequences? These are the questions policymakers want answers to to feel empowered to act. As it happens, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the IPCC has found some low regrets adaptation measures that it highlights in its February report earlier this year. One of those adaptation measures was providing water and sanitation services. This means the climate experts recognize that wash is important for building community resilience to climate change and that working towards increasing access to wash services is part of climate adaptation, as well as the SDGs, the Sustainable Development Goals. Building community resilience means making sure to improve the situations of the most vulnerable. Climate change makes that goal harder because it exacerbates all inequalities, including gender and disabilities. Every person experiences climate change differently. Even when a group of people are facing the same climate impact, they each have their own sets of identities and vulnerabilities that determine how they experience that impact. Those identities and vulnerabilities come from many aspects of life, such as gender, age, class and income. We cannot address adaptation measures by treating vulnerable people as a single group. Instead, we need to engage with communities, particularly vulnerable groups to understand what they need and to create adaptation measures like wash services that are both sustainable and responsive in the face of climate change and that are inclusive to all those who need access. This is particularly true when considering women and girls. Younger women have different wash needs than mothers of young children. Women who are pregnant and lactating need more water than usual to remain healthy. We know that women are affected when wash services aren't accessible, but not all women are affected in the same way, so they need a range of solutions. So why are women disproportionately affected by climate change? This is an ICC IPCC report and other research highlights several different factors to answer this question. First, climate change will increase the prevalence of waterborne diseases such as cholera, and women are often the primary family members providing unpaid care for all who are ill. When climate impacts reduce water security and hinder or obliterate wash services, again, the risk of harm increases for women and girls and others who are marginalized such as non-binary individuals. When they have to travel further away for water collection, for drinking and hygiene, and for accessing toilets or the trains. When wash facilities don't exist or stop working, the risk of physical violence increases as these women have to go further to, these people have to go further to access these resources and maybe in situations where they need to go alone. Sometimes you can't wait for your friend to go with you. Third, when places like schools and health care facilities and disaster shelters don't offer women and girls the safe water and sanitation facilities they need, it's a real problem. For example, some disaster shelters are a single room with shared facilities, which gives women and girls no privacy and increases their risk of gender-based violence. They can't feel safe and often won't use these facilities which puts their health and sometimes their lives at risk. At best, for schools they won't get the education they need to make the most of their lives. Knowing that girls and women are disproportionately affected, we need to understand in what ways, how much, and where when we think of crafting the right kinds of policy responses. This often leads us to a question of data, of evidence, of proof of the problem, but much of that data to segregate it by gender doesn't exist and what does exist is often simply accounting of the number of women present at an event or a meeting. This counting metric does not tell us anything about the challenges different genders face or if women are part of real decision making and where gender equality around wash is happening. Additionally, normally non-binary gender data is not even collected and so cannot be part of any gender disaggregated data that does exist. When recognizing that numbers cannot tell the full story, we need a baseline from which we can monitor these indicators for comparison to detail the gender challenges faced and any progress made towards gender equality. It is important to monitor indicators for agency empowerment and participation in wash to understand a more holistic vision of what is happening regarding wash and gender equality. These indicators could factor in aspects such as balance of work and control over household assets across genders in the family level and at the community level. Having the right indicators, ones that don't just measure if women are in the room or theoretically have access, but that track a range of challenges and are disaggregated by gender can not only help with monitoring and evaluation, but the lessons from that monitoring can help us diagnose the right challenges and design interventions for her. We need inclusive processes that bring women into the heart of decision making and give them the authority to help make decisions and to be full members of any decision making body. We need to strike at the structural inequalities that keep women from being able to speak up and lead. One example of empowering women to solve wash and climate challenges is some work being done in the small Bangladeshi village with the support of WaterAid. A group of women were interested in working with WaterAid and another local NGO through WaterAid's Water Entrepreneurship for Women's Empowerment or WIWI approach. This approach centers the leadership on local women who are trained to manage and run a new drinking water treatment facility to bring safe drinking water that can also be used for hygiene to their communities that had significant issues, salinity issues partially due to climate change. With women leading every step of the way and through the COVID pandemic to keep their community safe, it became clear to the entire village that women could and should take on who leadership roles. WaterAid has worked to create inclusive and sustainable frameworks that can be used in engaging communities and designing wash services to ensure they meet a range of gender needs and that they are adaptive to climate change. Later this week will be releasing guidance that we have worked on with Diageo and Coca-Cola to help communities and implementing NGO partners systematically embed gender equality and women's empowerment into the design of wash projects. Our collective work on gender is not just about ensuring authentic and impactful gender equality by listening to perspectives but also ensuring that wash and climate work involve gender diversity at all levels including at decision making and leadership levels. Every day there are women and girls who are expected to carry heavy water jerry cans back to their homes for drinking and hygiene and or who are expected to care for ill family members. These women and girls are having to create adaptive solutions to the climate challenges they often face without any real support. And their struggles and challenges are not being shared with those trying to design the right adaptive solutions for vulnerable communities. We need to ensure these women and girls are formally engaged in identifying both challenges and resilient solutions to climate change for their communities and beyond. Their involvement in design and implementation of wash solutions is critical. They deserve a seat at the decision making table because they know the challenges and what it takes to build resilience. A twofold reality presents itself. While women are disproportionately affected by climate change they are uniquely situated to lead efforts in response to it. This session aims to collect recommendations for further cultivating women's untapped potential is the heart of resilience. And so this session will focus on presenting methodologies and tools that can help with that. Back to you Sandra. Thanks Catherine for this valuable overview of nexus between gender wash and climate change. I think a very important topic to discuss today. So next up we want to better understand this nexus and also understand what different partners are already doing to understand that the landscape better with their different methodologies and tools. So we're going to a panel discussion and for experts and the moderator for the discussion is Naomi Carrot, a research director at Institute for sustainable futures, a research center in the University of Technology, Sydney. And Naomi's applied research focuses on sustainable, safe and inclusive wash. She has particular interests and experiences in the link between wash, gender, quality and sustainability transformations. And Naomi works in partnership with governments and geos and researchers in Asia and specific countries to realize the human right to water sanitation and sustainable future for all. And her work is a mixed methods, balancing being practical and idealistic Naomi please take the photo floor today does in the panel discussion. Thank you Sandra and thank you Catherine for that really fantastic welcoming presentation and I think the phrase that really jumped out at me was that we need to find ways to strike at the structural inequalities and I'm really looking forward to hearing from the panelists today for really interesting approaches that they each are sharing and in ways to understand the inequalities that exist, engage with people and improve our learning so that we can then take implement approaches that do strike at those structural inequalities. So the first speaker today is Sabiha Siddique, who works as a monitoring evaluation and learning advisor in Somali, supporting programs in Asia and in Africa. Sabiha's work focuses on wash, gender and climate change. She's passionate about her work around research evaluation and the human rights for water and sanitation. Her example is her work implementing the making rights real approach and incorporating the human rights to water and sanitation in wash entrepreneur activities in Bangladesh. So today Sabiha is joining us from Kathmandu where she's working with her team, and she'll be sharing her work researching the connections between wash and violence against women in Nepal, Bangladesh and Uganda. So Sabiha, to kick off this panel discussion, are you able to share with us a bit more about your focus group discussion approach when trying to address gender based violence. How does your particular focus group discussion approach facilitate gender sensitive research. Thank you very much Naomi for introducing me and for a very good question. It's an honor to be here today with all the panelists and thanks a lot to all the participants who joined us today. Thank you for your question. I would like to start with a small brief about the truth. And then we'll go in depth on the, on the, on the tool. The research on a topic sensitive topic like gender based violence against a woman requires more attention, reducing the gender biases and using the gender sensitive lenses. While doing the key informant interviews focus group discussion and this reviews are key to the research process. These like Bangladesh, Nepal and Uganda women and girls, as well as the stakeholders or in society in general they do not talk openly about the harassment or the violence happening in relation to while accessing to water sanitation and hygiene facilities. For example, sex torsion for the safe water harassment while taking a, taking a bath in an open source like font, or the violation of dignity that happens due to using a toilet with very fragile infrastructure are really there out there but not been discussed. And the challenge around the nexus between gender, gender based violence and wash is invisible yet very real. Therefore, Simavi conducted a research on violence against women and girls in relation to use and access of our resources. And in that research we introduced this tool of having a workshop, the east focus group discussion. We did this three to four day long workshop to create an enabling environment for the participants to understand the concept of gender gender based violence and wash at first and later opened a floor for the discussion and to answer the questions are better. You can see in the slide that, like most of the research we also did a desk review transact work in the communities and key important interviews with the police officer healthcare workers local government and community people. And for the FGD with the community I we conducted this workshop. And today I would like to focus more on the how we did the workshop approach within the research. So the workshop was actually the aim of the workshop was to create a safe and enabling environment for all the participants, especially for the woman and girls to talk about the harassment or violence happens on a daily basis in their lives. We started with the conceptual clarity on what is sex gender gender based violence and wash, because the link was not very clear to the participants initially. We also introduced several games to create a friendly environment of all the participants because there were male and female participants of different age groups. We also did group exercises to for the participants to be to contribute and share their opinions regarding these, these topics. We also involved a very expert gender expert who also has a facilitation expertise, so that we can also have an effective workshop all together. So the facilitator ensure the participation of woman and girls during the workshop throughout the time. On the last day we actually introduced the focus group discussion, and we asked the questions in in a different groups so female had where in one group, one room and the main square and another, another room. Sometimes we also asked question all together. So that was the tool we tried to be inclusive and during the research work so that we really have open, open communication and also so that the woman can also share their experiences and to have a better result. So that's all for now, I will give the floor back to you now me. Thank you very much. Thank you so much so we have a sharing that example and what really strikes me from your presentation is the importance of creating safe spaces when you're trying to explore these kinds of sensitive topics and it's not the sort of topic that you can explore with a simple survey or a data collection exercise of that kind of nature and so we need these innovative qualitative approaches to really get to depth on these sorts of issues. So we'll move on to our second panelist now and as we do please do put your questions for so be her into the chat and we'll come back to them at the end of the initial round of introductions. But the second speaker I'd like to introduce today is Jacob Baratza. Jacob works with some of you as a program officer focused on wash and climate. He's joining today from Amsterdam, but his work focuses particularly in Kenya in Africa and in Nepal and Bangladesh in Asia. Before joining Samavi he was working for the Center for Social Planning and Administrative Development as their advocacy and communications director. Jacob's work seeks to build transparency accountability and participation of marginalized groups in water related decision making processes. And he's recently been exploring interests in climate finance for wash and digital water diplomacy for peace building, both really important and fascinating areas. So today Jacob is sharing a systems visualization approach to fostering women's participation. And the question I'd like to ask you Jacob to kick off your contribution to the panel is how can systems visualization be used to identify strategic entry points for women in climate change and wash decision making processes. Thank you very much Naomi. We appreciate the background that has been given by the speakers that have talked earlier on, and we appreciate the fact that wash climate change and gender they are very much interlinked. And over and above that is the fact that we don't have resources, adequate resources to address climate adaptation. So as much as we are talking about participation and meaningful participation for that matter, the question is, how do we make sure that women are engaging at the right time through the right entry points and have the right arguments. And so to do this, together with CIMAVI, CESPAD had to conduct a study in Kageado and McQuinney counties in Kenya, where it was identified that one of the challenges is that there is increased population growth due to the proximity of the counties to the capital city of Nairobi. The other thing is that the two counties are arid and semi arid areas, which have issues with water scarcity, and also because of the behavior and the norms of the people there is a poor wash. And finally, very low climate change resilience practices. And above that one critical element that contributes to women not being able to participate in decision making processes is the gender patriarchal norms. For example, in Kageado County, women are not able to talk where men are. Or if you have less cows, then you have no voice. And remember, the cows are run by the men. So that makes women participation very challenging. In the castle loop, we used to identify what are the three critical entry points that women can maximize on if they have to contribute to decision making processes in wash and climate change. So one is through the water and sanitation lens, where they would use their needs. Of course, we appreciate that the needs for women and the needs for men are totally different. And again, just highlighting an example, when you go to a water point in Kageado County, women will have to fetch water last because the animals that belong to men are prioritized. So over and above the long distance, we have also the long queues and waiting for them to fetch water after the cows have taken as much as they can. The second one is through non-discrimination. And as a country, Kenya has a number of legislations that speak about public participation. May it be in the Public Finance Management Act, may it be in the environmental space, water space, they are even including at the county level, numerous provisions for public participation. So this was also identified as another critical area to go through. However, when, when can you be more effective in terms of your participation? And last but not least, of course, anchoring participation and the key principles of good governance, where we would motivate and encourage through capacity strengthening women to effectively participate in the governance structures. So for more information about how the details on how we identify this through the SAT analysis, PESTEL, we can join in in the group discussions to elaborate and also just to hear experiences from the other participants from other places. How this particular tool can be used to identify the areas of entry points for women and girls in the space of climate change and wash. Thank you. Thank you, Jacob. And it's really great to see that approach from systems thinking being used as a way to figure out. Understanding the system is a way of identifying what are the key leverage points where women can contribute and where we can try to reach that goal of shifting social norms that you raised as so critical to enabling transformation and women's meaningful participation. And so now we're moving to a different tool in the form of a quantitative data data collection and analysis tool and I'd like to welcome to present that to our third speaker. Pyranon Tawashiraporn, who works as the director of the Geospatial Information Department at the Asian Disaster Preparedness Center in Bangkok. And Pyranon has worked extensively on risk and vulnerability assessment, and he specializes in urban disaster risk management and catastrophe risk modeling. Recently Pyranon has been interested in the topics of risk transfer and risk financing schemes for natural disasters and applications of risk modeling in wider socio economic contexts. His original training was in civil engineering and he's bringing that experience to the critical gender climate nexus. So today Pyranon is joining us from Bangkok where his office is based and he'll be sharing his work developing a gender equality monitoring tool to collate and share data on gender inequality at sub national levels. And so to invite your contribution to the panel Pyranon I'd like to ask you first of all, how will the gender equality monitoring or the gem tool inform users and help them address gender inequality issues. Okay, thank you Naomi for the introduction. I just want to say good morning good afternoon and good evening to everyone on this on this session. It's my pleasure to speak in this session but I will be more pleased to join the conversation that will follow the presentation. So today, before we start looking at the gender gender inequality data that I'm about to present I want to make a reference back to the set the scene remark made by Catherine. I think she said correctly that the impact of climate change and poor wash is not going to be felt equally to me between men and women. So that was the starting point that brought us to the thinking of whether or not we should then start looking into where this gender gap and gender disparity is strongest before we even even try to manage the inequality. That led to the thinking of this gender equality monitoring tool. So, I think, no matter where you are. We all know that gender inequality exists in your country in many parts of your countries. But have you ever wanted to see where the gender inequality is located, and where it is strongest in your countries, and how the gender inequality progresses over time changes over time be it in a better sense or in a worse sense. I mean, have you ever wanted to compare gender inequality between two provinces in your countries. So these kind of demands were the leading point for our team to start thinking and putting on the disciples starting to develop the gender equality monitoring tool that you were about to see. Simply put, we put gender inequality data on a map to allow users to allow anyone to be able to see visualize do some simple analysis download the data and be able to use them in the future. So just to go back a little bit the tool here that you see on on the screen is part of the program original, but actually it's a global program led by us at NASA. The idea behind this program is to bring data, satellite data modeling technique and mapping technology to address real development issues and gender disparity gender inequality is a real issues. So, what we are trying to do here is to focus in a small region first, but methodology and approach that we developed here are totally applicable and scalable to other region. So in the remaining time that I have I just want to quickly introduce you to the gender equality monitoring or in short we call it a gem tool, just to give you a glimpse of what it can do, and getting you to start thinking about how you can use it in your work and replicating in your region. So here it is about a gem tool. Quickly the gem platform offers basic three functions. The first one, it allows you to visualize the gender inequality indices at the sub national level. You must have seen the calculation at the country level already done by UNDP before but we take one step further to estimate and calculate the gender inequality down at the provincial level in the country. The second function is to look at the gender and sectoral data sets which is the underlying cause of gender disparity in any country. And then the third component is which is very important to me as a data driven person is that it allows you to download data for your own use is not only just to give you the tool to see the data but you can download it for use. As the map portrays the current tool covers only a few countries in Southeast Asia but as I said before this is this concept can be replicated anywhere. I think without going into much detail, I just want to say that now you have seen, I would just a front page of our gem tool, and you heard a little bit about what it can provide. I would like you to start thinking about what it can do for your work. Now, when we talk about the nexus between wash climate change and gender, we are now providing you equip you with data on one leg of the three nexuses. So what how you can bring this data and combine with the other legs on climate change and wash to utilize the data and use them to make better decision to address this gender gap in this room. I would like to invite you to join me in my breakout group discussion and we can go a lot deeper in than this four minute that we that I have in this introduction, and then we can discuss further there. Let me turn it back to you Naomi. It's so exciting to see this kind of initiative happening which is both collating data and making it available in a way that it hasn't been before and also exploring new and innovative forms of data collection, such that it can be usefully integrated with multiple other data sets for decision making and advocacy and I can see many other uses. Look forward to that discussion in your breakout room. Moving on to the final panelist before we move to questions and and our further discussion. Our fourth speaker is also presenting on a measure based tool today. And that's color liara from the Stockholm environment Institute. So welcome color color is a water and sanitation specialist focused on gender and human rights. She's been working for several years on sanitation and sustainable development initiatives, including undertaking field work and remote management in Africa and Latin America. Currently she's a research associate at SEI and as part of sanitation working groups in Susanna and the sanitation and water for all Alliance. Today joining us from Stockholm at the center of conference activities. And color will present the empowerment in wash index or the ewe, which is a survey based tool designed to monitor and evaluate gender outcomes of washed interventions. So color for your brief introduction before we move to questions. I'd like to ask you to share your thoughts on how the ewe can help monitor and evaluate gender outcomes in the context of climate change. Thank you very much for that introduction. And thank you everybody for joining the session this very important session and thank you for our speakers for joining me in the session. And so first of all, I give you an introduction about the empowerment in wash index or in short the ewe or ewe I however you decide to call it it's okay. And then I'll jump to answer your question about climate change and how these two relates to it. So let me start to say that the ewe is a survey tool designed to provide missing data on how wash interventions may contribute to changes in wash related gender outcomes. Some of these wash related gender outcomes can be decision making voice and control over resources. The index is comprised of indicators to assess empowerment in relation to wash roles and responsibilities at individual household and community level. Basically the index allows us to see, okay, how is how empowered are men and women in the household but also in a bigger role for instance in governance of resources outside of this household and in the society or in the community or village. It's all it can be used in urban and rural context. And of course the tool is quantitative and it can be supported but qualitative data so you can do interviews besides doing the survey. So data on each indicator is collected using a survey as I mentioned before that targets both male and female decision makers in households. This survey can be it's developed in word, but it's usually installed in M water or cobalt so you can be used in a mobile device and it's very easy to use and understand it has a scale one and two, and then 99 if you get no answer so it's very qualitative and we actually have specialist looking at that area of the qualitative aspect of it. So now back to your question Naomi. I would say more about the empowerment in Washington next in the in the breakout session and I'll give an example of Canada. But to answer your question Naomi just in the context of climate change, we want to use the w i to or the we to understand how changes in wash related outcomes can have an impact on community resilience. Basically what we want to know here is if more empowered women and men in wash would have a greater adaptive capacity to climate change. We're still exploring this and we're exploring how we integrated into the tool because as I mentioned is very quantitative so we have to be, we have to give wages to each other questions so it's not as easy as inserting a question there. We'll do that later this year by applying the survey in Bangladesh with actually one of the speakers today's Aviga, we'll be trying it out over there, and hopefully by next year in the next World Water Week, we'll be able to present some of the results. Thank you very much and back to you Naomi. It's really exciting that you'll be trying it out next year in Bangladesh and looking forward to hearing those results and it's so important to think about this fascinating question around the connections between empowerment and resilience and there are some of the issues that Catherine referred to in her framing presentation. And so to consider whether empowerment can be a driver of resilience and how we can build resilience through empowerment based approaches is a really critical area of research. So moving on to questions for the panel now and Sandra I'll ask you to jump in and give us an update on timing, and how long we have for the discussion in a minute but what we've heard from the four panelists today is a really interesting and complimentary mix of different ways of engaging with questions around how to understand gender wash and climate change links. We've heard about a qualitative approach for creating safe spaces to discuss gender based violence. We talked about a systems mapping approach for looking at intervention points, and then we've heard about two different quantitative approaches to collecting and making use of data to progress gender equality in the context of wash and climate change. And we have an initial question for you Jacob that's come through in the chat box. And that is from an kit who says that the systems visualization approach looks really interesting. And what he would like to know is what framework you use to you to develop the visualizations. I'm not sure if that's referring to the software or the kind of conceptual framework so perhaps you can answer both aspects. And also, I'm kid is wondering what the red and blue arrows signify. Thank you very much the two frameworks first of all we had to use a pastel where we were looking at the political environmental ecological legal and technological issues in these counties, and then the the the deep side where we were looking at the drivers. The responses, the impacts. Yeah, so those are the two frameworks that we use to highlight and to see what is happening in the counties. And then with regards to the second question to the second part of the question, which speaks to the red and blues. Now where we've used the red, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad thing. Rather, it means that there is reduced so like for example, if, if, if, if, let me let me use the first example where we have safe waters and sanitation access. So whenever there is safe water and sanitation access, then it reduces the domestic water and sanitation gap. So the gap is no longer as huge as it was. But if you are to look at it from the perspective that this is a bad thing, then you will see that the red indeed is negating that that idea. But in this case, the red was to show either decrease or an increase. Yes, I don't know if that and then for the blue, the blue, the blue shows an increase. So for example, when we have unsafe water storage, it also increases the use of unsafe access because what we have in that situation is that there is more polluted sources or the storage is is at large polluted therefore that means that even if we have developed it as a point where people are going to then we see that they are going to unsafe sources. Yes. Thanks Jacob that's really helpful and I think you covered both aspects of that question really clearly and hopefully that's enough for you and Kit to be able to understand a little bit better and I please do join Jacob's breakout room to hear more of the detail about the approach. We have a question for Sabiha now from Cecil and Cecil is asking, so be how do you get to reach the women and the people that are involved in your workshops and convince them to participate in the workshop. And then second part to that question is how are you measuring the impact on the communities after the workshops. Thank you very much for the for a really nice question so first of all we started going to the community so we have this transit walk as part of the research design. So we went to the communities in the research areas and talk to the people, we also sit in a small groups with the females and with the males and discussed several questions around the gender gender violence and wash. When we found that there were people interested to share their experience and then we asked would you like to join in the workshop. Then we can have more detailed discussion about it and that's how we got the number of participants from there. So the transit walk was really helpful to start with. And for the impact in the communities is that at this moment we finished the research and we will disseminate it with the LGI is in the local, local level, and with the communities and with CSOs as well so so that they can take action in their upcoming awareness raising and activities is also within our CIMAWIS wash STG program areas therefore we will also strengthen the work in there. As well as we would also incorporate the research results in future programs so that we can take more action together with the different stakeholders at local level. Thank you very much. I hope that answers your question. Thanks Sabiha and yeah really great answer and something that came through from me and what you shared then is the importance of building those long term relationships and partners with the institutions in that communities that you're engaging with both to create that space where people are comfortable to participate in the process and also so you have those connections in an ongoing way such that you can look towards understanding the impact and amplifying the impact that you're able to have. So, and Cecil said thanks a lot. So, a question that I have now, well please do keep adding to the chat box we have a few more minutes for the panel questions, but I'd like to ask a question for any of the panelists and perhaps starting with you, Carla, just to reflect a little on some of the challenges involved in working with the tools that you've been working with so we heard each of you share why you think that they're their helpful tools, what you think that they can achieve and that's a really great start but I'm sure as with every process we all experience challenges and it would be really helpful to reflect a little on what some of the challenges have been so far. Thank you Naomi. Yes, of course I'm happy to answer that question. So some of the challenges that we've faced is the contextualization of empowerment. So how do you actually contextualize empowerment within the community that you're working with for us. The word empowerment was kind of defined by the research by literature so it's very academic related right so you need to go to the community and see if it's the same thing that you're understanding within the research that it's being treated in the community. But I think as you discuss as you and I discussed or you and the group discussed before, there's also needs to be a consistency in data. So you have to be aware that if you change empowerment too much then you're not going to be able to have that consistent data. There's a risk between you know context contextualization of the word empowerment to make it fit to the local context, but also to make it reflect in a wider space of of data, a continuity or consistency story. So that's a big challenge I think for the tool. And if anybody has suggestions or has this issue will happy to discuss them in the breakout session as well. Thanks Carla and it's such a curly question to grapple with and yeah very, very good good to continue that discussion in the chat group. And would any of the other panelists like to share challenges in the approaches that you've taken. Jacob or Pyranine any Pyranine maybe we can start with you next any challenges in the work that you've been doing trying to collate and make accessible the very sort of rich and and varied data sets that you're working with. I think what you have just said was was the challenge that we face when we thought that by collecting a lot of good data would be the end of the solution but it was far from it. Getting the people getting the stakeholders to really use this tool was a real challenge, because I think at the beginning we thought that we developing something great we give it to them they will use it was not the case. So we changed the approach by bringing the stakeholders and user to come on board and start working with us to co-develop the tools. I think similar to the contextualization challenge that Carla had mentioned but to get them to be part of it get them to own the process as well that increased the likelihood of them using it. Much, much more in at the end. So I think that that is the challenge but it was turned into an opportunity to work with the stakeholders. Yeah, thank you that's yeah really interesting reflection and it makes me think I believe that there's a face to face workshop at the conference this year looking at data use that water aid and SNV and others are leading and it's a big question for the sector and then we have a lot of data where we're working on building better and richer data sets all the time but a really key part of that step in is making sure that it's actually useful to inform the work that we do in the decisions that are made. So I think our time for questions is up so what I will do now is thank each of the panelists for your really engaging presentations and fantastic responses to questions and hand over to Sandra to set up the breakout groups groups and looking forward to the breakout discussions and then final coming back to hear reflections at the end. Thank you, yeah we thank you for all the panelists for this. Yeah wonderful discussion, and I think it's just like the first, yeah, picture first introduction to the different tools and there's lots more to discuss so please do stay for the breakout groups. And it's a very good opportunity to discuss. Yeah, directly with the panelists and to get more information on know on those different tools and how you maybe can use them in your own work. So we have five breakout rooms for you and you are able to choose the one you want to get your most most interested in. So we have four rooms linked to the four panelists. So the first one is around the gender and worse research tool, but will be facilitated by Sabia and Emma. And why should you join this room to learn more about doing inclusive research and how to create a safe space. So yeah, if you wanted to learn more about that, please join room one in room tool will be about system mapping in Kenya, and they will be sharing experience from Kajado County. So Jacob will be there to get a bit units from suspense. So why do you join this one to understand how the causal loop diagram can be used to identify key entry points for women and girls meaningful participation in Washington climate change decision making. So if you want to know more about the system mapping, please join room to room three is about the gender quality monitoring tool with a gem tool, where they are now together with his colleague faculty will be joining. Why should you go there to get oriented onto the tool that visualizes gender gaps at subnational level and also contribute to its development. So if you want to know more, please join that room in room four will be focused on the empowerment in wash index. And as Carla really mentioned, she will share some findings from Ghana. So Carla will be there. So please join if you want to partner out the generates gender data and evidence in your region. And we have another room for you to discuss the policy implications and needs to integrating gender wash and climate change. So Catherine will be there. And why did you join this one. This is a chance to share your thoughts and experience around gender climate and wash. So I will open the breakout rooms and you will be able to choose one. So in your zoom toolbox you'll be able to see the breakout room pop up I hope, and there you can click on and you can choose one of the rooms. So I think I already see some people moving so please go to your breakout room option and click which one you want to go to. And if any issues, please let me know. You're still some people unassigned for the ones who are still here. I see room number five is very small so if you want to go there. You're very welcome. Welcome back. You see some of you already coming back. Let's wait a few seconds for everyone to come back in the main room. I hope you had a fruitful discussion. Yes. Good to hear that. We still have a few seconds for people to come back here. Welcome back everyone to the main room again. I hope you had a good discussion in the smaller groups. Yeah, as you only want one group you also want to do around and see what are the main highlights of different groups. How I want to give the floor to Emma to give a one minute break up. Yeah, sure. Happy to we had a very nice intimate break out room and we're really able to go into details that was really nice. We also had someone there was actually working on their own research in Nepal also about like the nexus with GBV so that was interesting. We talked about you know how Sabia and the team set up the research from start to finish. What are the things you think about before setting that up what are some of the challenges that you encounter. So we talked about you know the different methods that were applied such as a transect bulk, the key informant interviews how to then also involve government officials, and then the workshop and the focus group discussions. We also shortly touched upon you know which activities did go really well and also really prompted people to really open up about these issues and then to be here with the example of role play, which is like a very fun method for people to bring everyone together to involve people and have them in different roles, basically creating a scene about a certain wash situation and see how everyone responds to that so that was also something that was shared. And then at the end Sabia shared some great tips about you know how to deal with consultants the importance of having a good facilitator there with a good expertise on gender. That was sort of going to not show the things that we discussed and it was a really nice. Yeah, it was a really nice discussion actually so it was great. Thank you Emma sounds very interesting indeed. So let's hear from Jacob to hear how room to discuss. Thank you very much for room we went into the details of the castle look diagram and to two interesting questions came up. One was on the how. In terms of when, when, when do we engage and we went into the details of the planning process which calls upon going through the budgeting process and when the develop the planning documents are developed and why it is important to engage in the development of these planning documents, starting from the five year to the annual one and when specifically can you influence. So, the other question was on why the choice of the two frameworks that is the pastel and in the deep side, which we highlighted that first of all, the nexus wash gender climate is a complex nexus. And also it touches on different aspects of the two frameworks and so there was need for us to contextualize the, the, the, the wash system in that, with that regard, and having said that we also identified some of the challenges that are, that are hindering meaningful participation, which was done through a context analysis and among them was how information is shared to women. The distance through which they have to travel if they have to, to participate but most importantly we highlighted the need to be networked, which was also undertaken through a social network analysis. Yes. Thanks. It was quite compact. Yeah, thank you. I think you had the biggest group so I think a lot of interest for a broad tool. So let's move to room three. Okay, so we discussed a bit of technical aspects of the tool and what are the possibilities in terms of data visualization from the tool. We also got one good feedback on how to make this tool applicable across sectors, but the key takeaways largely from our experience in putting the tool into practice where that you know policymakers are looking for such tools including you know the gem tool for, for making more informed policy policy planning decisions so that they can prioritize their interventions, but then these tools more importantly they should not have just the macro view like taking the data from the national levels but also you know have some components of informing from, you know, in the bottom up way so that local level engagement also in designing these tools is very critical. So that's quickly our two key takeaways from, from largely implementing the tool. Back to you Sandra. Thanks a lot. Very nice summary. Let's move to room four. Karna, can you give a short update what you discussed. Yes, so we presented the tool a bit further on and then we talked about the case study in Ghana. And it was nice because one of the participants is working in Zimbabwe and rainwater harvesting she was interested about using the tool in her project research project. And she was kind of realized like okay I'm not paying enough attention to gender and I should. And we think it's a perfect timing for that so we'll be keeping in touch with with her. And then another question was about participants being overwhelmed with too many questions if you're already applying other surveys other questionnaires if you're doing qualitative quantitative work. This tool can be a bit too heavy for them. So what is that is that wash questions at the beginning that they're needed actually so it can co help contextualize like what's the wash situation in the community and it doesn't need to be separated into many questionnaires. It can be one, and then you can facilitate, you know, the stakeholder overwhelming. I don't know the correct term but you I think you understand. So that's basically what we discussed in our group study. So I think I think it needs to surface fatigue is is yeah some things take into account. How many minutes like what is needed know what is nice know and how do you balance that. Lastly, Catherine, how was your discussion. It was really good. And so we were the kind of catch all group to share experiences and really look at policy and not focus on a particular tool, which meant that our conversation with everywhere. So sort of four big takeaways. One, a real focus on transformative approaches and really thinking about it in that way and making sure we're not putting the burden on the women who need access the most to be the ones to fix the problem. Talking about multi-identities and sort of the intersectionality of different identities and not treating women, girls, or men as a single group. Talking about the impacts of policies that are external to wash but then impact wash. And then fourth, how do we communicate these messages to get people interested in making the right kind of policies and how we need to think about the audiences and shift the message depending on the audience and changing the level of detail depending on the audience. So we're very grateful to have a comms number in our team to give us some advice on that. So back to you, Sandro. That's great. Yeah, and that brings us to the end of today's session. And I would like to thank everyone for sharing your reflections and also for joining the breakout rooms and having a discussion with us. I would especially like to thank the presenters and the panel members. So Catherine, Naomi, Sabia, Jacob, Perenan, and Carla. And of course, all the people who have supported on the background to make this session a success. And I think, yeah, from today's session, we have seen that well, women are just proportionally affected by climate change. They are also uniquely situated to lead efforts in the response. And it's a very important and very urgent journey. I think we can all see the impacts of climate change in our own countries. So we really should think as a sector, take it on. And there are different tools and research results presented today that are a step towards stepping into the potential of women in this nexus. So we can hope the session has helped you to inspire you and to know which tools are out there. And please reach out to us in case you want to know more. So we can not reinvent the wheel, but build on what is there and really make sure that we tackle this challenge together. And we have a very big and important battle to take up. So I think SG-6 in 2030 is I think still behind. So we should make a big effort to make it happen. And let's not think we all know the answers, but let's keep on learning from each other and in a way that we can improve step by step. And once again, thank you so much for participating. And if you want to stay in touch, I will put my email address in the chat box on Patebol. So feel free to reach out. And I can link you to the different organizations that are supporting in this session. And if you want to know more about the different tools, happy to thank you all. And yeah, I want to wish you a very great one this week and next week. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much, everyone. Thank you, everyone. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.