 I'm some one of those and sometimes I'm not and that was the case that proved it who know where they are and The the elements from the ancestors call to them So that was I wanted to share that with you because that's a part some people can sense them and they can pinpoint Some people can feel the spirit and there are times when I can but not always So what we do is that we go in the field with four different tribal representatives male and female So we get a good reference because The knowledge may come through one tribes line and not through another tribes line So what we do with four tribes is that we get a good cross reference a lot of times I get pushed into the field and so I have to even make a phone call and say hey I'm starting to feel something. What do you think? Oh You would have to ask me such a pointed question first of all the turtle is the teacher In honor of my teacher Whose totem was the turtle I carry this bag She is she is herself wolf clan, but she was guided by The turtle to you what is the turtle me? Did you hear that? It's the spirit of the thunder the lightning and the rain and the fire From other issue connect it's a female is the one sit together with the mother Late in the fire And they This is a guy We ask questions What is the answer? Well You may be giving us guidance that we now need to go back in time and properly address turtle One of the things that we what let me explain our process We knew we had to deal with scientists We knew we had to deal with people in state and federal government So we had to devise a system that was scientific and yet still tribal and cultural and traditional We had to create a balance So we brought in a team of people who could help us with our mapping So one of the first things that we did was we said okay if we find something once and it's intriguing We'll say that's an anomaly We find it a second time somewhere else we say ah, that's a cultural anomaly You find it a third time. It's no longer an anomaly. It's cultural The ancestors are repeating a pattern and so what we began to do was to make note of these patterns So we could identify and to go back through because much of this knowledge had been lost to us Now let me also share That when we did the Narragansett Indian Reservation and I told you this earlier we did the Narragansett Indian Reservation I Took my team both of indigenous people and non-indigenous people out to do the mapping Before I went to an elder in the tribe who had been a hunter all over New England So I said if anybody knows these these stones he will have seen them all over New England So I went to him and I said can you tell me What the ceremonial stones mean those right here on the reservation? And he looked at me like he didn't know what I was talking about speaking a different language So okay, he doesn't know After we finished mapping those on the reservation and I now was the caretaker of a lot of knowledge I went back to him and I said well this means this and that means that and he said and then he started telling Me all the stuff that he knew I Said wait a minute. I Came to you before and I asked you for this information and you acted like you didn't know anything and he said Harris you weren't ready. I Said pardon me sir, but I'm 70 years old. What do you mean? I wasn't ready He said you weren't ready. Well, it's 75. I can appreciate what he's talking about You're not ready. You're not if you can't see it You can't see it if you can't appreciate it if you cannot stand and defend it. You're not ready So I share with you that because I Want you to be ready This lady. I was shocked. All right. She was ready to go to war As a matter of fact she wanted me to come up there and go to war time. So wait a minute I'm going to war on a lot of different fronts Well, you need to be here right now because I'm seeing this this and they're going to do that and you did Thank you for your enthusiasm. Thank you for being the warrior that you are And then she started interpreting the Constitution It was knowledge it was knowledge I needed More tools that I needed in my toolkit if I was going to be the warrior that I thought I was But I was going to teach other people. Yes, ma'am You tested to see their magnetic and gravitational anomalies Well, we have not We have not begun that testing process We are starting to move to the additional phases of what we but what we have found on occasion Is it you'll go with a compass and all of a sudden the compass is going So yes, they're there and the evidence has spoken to us Or sometimes you'll know that north is over there and you go here and it's pointing. Wait a minute. What's this all about? So yes, the geomagnetic fields that we have not yet begun to test what we've just begun to test Is for age We have an agency that has asked to be remain Anonymous until we get our results back who have just this year Gone out and done a lot of testing to determine the age of the stone features Because if we can prove that they're 3 000 years old and it's clear to everybody That no columnist had anything nor at least not an english columnist had anything to do with this Any other question I planted her in the audience What I don't do and I cannot tell another human being what they must do of them I will not attempt to repay them My mission is to protect them and to teach others how to protect them It is the ancestors who knew what they were doing It is not we the curious Who have the right to replicate or confuse what has already been developed So I've had people say well I can do that or I should do that or I had one lady say We are going to be charging so much. We'd like for you to come and consult because we're going to teach people. I said wait a minute Wrong answer that is sacrilege Sacra listen to me. Please that is sacrilege I will not come and be a part of your your workshop I will I will protest if you develop such a workshop and I'll be there thorn rocks and and using picket signs if you attempt it So she had to be real clear that I didn't have to get that huffy I recently met her and I met her husband and I spent a night in their home and she was from europe and her artwork depicted All that she had borrowed All that she had siphoned from other cultures And she was just going to add this to her toolkit I spoke with her I embraced her I tried to deal with her respectfully and I tried to mend the space that had been wrenched open By my response to the fact that they wanted to just do what curious americans do And that's me too I can do that too And I know that in the buddhist tradition the use of stones is a practice And what you as a buddhist american do In 50 years can go to the national register of historic places And I've said this we've presented multiple property listing to the national register for indigenous american Ceremonial stone landscapes of the northeast I said because if a scotsman comes here and wants to scottishly place Stones, I cannot stand in his way or her way And then in 50 years the stones that they create will be eligible by law for the national register I said so I want to make sure that this is well defined as indigenous American Yes, ma'am Your first picture reminded me On the big island of hawaii They have their temples and their stones are Similar to the first one they saw So maybe There's something You know bigger than just america that's With the stone people well if in fact that hawaiian american wishes to come here And build stones in his tradition in 50 years. I want him to be able to go to the national register What I want to be able to do is to keep the distinction between what our ancestors did and what anybody else may do Or what anybody may have done in scotland or ireland Yes, or in hawaii. I was speaking from the spirit of us as well One people I I hear here in north america hawaii is north america also right now, but But the spirit shows With the ancestors like our ancestors are Connected in some way That knew how to speak to the elements and our other relatives I believe what you're saying But I cannot impose my belief on a scientist Scientist wants to see the facts he wants to see the data I have to present the data and that scientist is then guiding a federal agency and that federal agency will either agree with me And protect something or disagree with me and disallow protection Right now we've had that happen First federal energy regulatory commission allowed The gas line company to dismantle One third of the 73 stones that we identify stone features we identified they dismantled them They then took them to a storehouse They documented them took them to a storehouse and then Did their construction work and then came back and we produced them And said this Is what we're giving you that is our mitigation. We said no you've engaged in sacrilege You cannot recreate what our ancestors did a thousand or two thousand years ago So that's what we're fighting with that's what I have to do I have to be prepared to operate from the culture and the tradition but to documented scientifically Yes, I said I was thinking that the question a comment that netu was making is is it possible That indigenous people in other places of the world may have similar Stone formations just like the pyramids are found not only in egypt, but they're found You know in south america And communications and I believe that but My belief Oh, that's been documented my but my my belief Does not say a scientist Scientists wants to see data. So what we've done is we packaged what we do in the form of scientific data That is not challenging to the cultural belief system of the four tribes who put that together Yes, father taught me that when I was mad at somebody or I had an issue to dig a hole And shout it in the hole and then fill the hole works quite well, doesn't it? Yes, by the time you dig a hole it had to be three cd These days there's a lot of pain and anxiety and people get hurt and there's accidents and you know People's father to get killed in the war Whatever It would be nice to be able to to go to that spot get a stone Put your prayer On the stone and bring it to another sacred spot and add it and you know talk to the earth mother And ask her to you know intercede or help With the pain or just I don't see why it has to end Why we can't teach this in a respectful way and have a proper place And for people to make sure that they're not disturbed. I think that'd be kind of There's such a thing You and I have to worry about thought because thought will lead us down some A lot of stones Right behind mr. Trump and over over over a chasm We need to be careful And in the role that I play I cannot confuse what I must do with what I would like to do I would like to if a tree knocks a stone grouping down. I'd like to be able to repair it I'd like to be able to go back to that place on pratt hill where the man knocked down those stones and put them back in place But what I recognize is that is not my mission Doug stick to your mission Now if in fact a medicine person comes along and says this is what we must now do i'll step back Because he has guidance or she has guidance Beyond what I have the guidance that I have from the ancestors is your job is to protect and teach others how to protect not to Not to replicate Not to satisfy your need to Help other people do this in in a similar way But to protect So I share with that with you, please Protect what we're going to do with our four tribes We're going to reach out to the tribes in main because we're working with them to get them involved With their state historic preservation offices to come in with us and join this process What I would want you to do is to have us help you get in touch with a local tribe And then we can come up and assist them and you In identifying what this was and how to protect it Now some people say oh It's squared off inside. Well, that's obviously not indians because indians only deal in circles What's the longhouse What kind of what kind of footprint does a longhouse have? It's rectangular So you only see the roof and you say oh, well, that's the no We dealt in rectangles We dealt in squares We dealt in full geometry When I when I presented this Mapping on the Narragansett Indian Reservation At the two years later, I was presented with A footprint An architectural footprint of a new health center that we had just gotten funded for And that footprint was going to block three of the alignments that we had mapped So I did a position paper submitted it to the tribal chief sage And I said if in fact this building goes into place where it's planned we will lose The ability of future Narragansetts To use an instrument left behind by their ancestors to learn astronomy and geometry It took him less than a week to write me back and said that's not going to happen not on my watch We will not block the ability of the Narragansett future to communicate with the ancestors He said but is there anything we can do? I said that was chief sage and Matthew Thomas We now have a new chief sage and Matthew retired and uh Anthony Dean Stanton is the new tribal chief but What I gave him was what I had my scientists give to me And that was if in fact the building was rotated 70 feet It could be rotated away from blocking Those alignments The building was still in design So it was on paper. It was rotated 70 feet And now we have the full ceremonial landscape unblocked But the exciting thing that happened Was that the front door Of the building as it was rotated was rotated into alignment with a Shadow that is cast by a stone that cast a shadow between two uprights At the time of the fall equinox So now the entrance way to that building has a shadow from the fall equinox Cast into it now. I haven't been told by the medicine people whether that's good or bad But it's happening and it was done by virtue of the tribe doing the right thing Yes There's actually don't have some in the future site, but we have a beehive chamber And we have some that are square Now this is a this is a half hour presentation, but we can take three hours Because if if you as an audience needs dialogue, I'm here for them So you got you've got to be cautious because you're playing with me and I love to play long and hard Next slide please I see where they get the laughter from Hell This is a serpentine road. I just wanted to show all of it. This is the head of the serpent and this is the body of the serpent And For indigenous people serpent was not evil Serpent was not a sign of the devil It was a part of a whole other belief system And I'm sorry that my sister is left because I would love for her to share Her belief as she did about the turtle But we are told That the ancient traditions serpent was a part of the balance and the harmony and We are told as below so above And we absolutely will not be able to see this in this level of reflectance. We go to the next slide this if you could see it Is well that is the star ontaris And this is in the constellation Scorpius And another configuration within scorpius is what the Cherokee call Uctena Now I can speak That word in Cherokee because I can't speak The equivalent in Narragansett during this time of year In English we would call that a taboo It's something we simply cannot do. It is to be done only in the wintertime But hopefully I'm not offending Cherokee tradition I was I was shared with with I was given Uctena by Walker Calhoun Of Cherokee who explained Uctena in the tradition in Cherokee And he said that they had a wonderful experience once they heard the Uctena coming down the mountain. He lived up in big Cove Heard the Uctena coming down the mountain was in the middle of a storm They found out it was just a gas tank that had broke loose and it was thumping and banging against the rocks But he and his family were sure that the Uctena was coming for them So In this in the constellation of a of scorpius there is a horned serpent You can see this is a part of its tail The horns and in its throat or in its head depending on how you configure that Is the star on tares and the story the lore around Uctena Is that if you find an Uctena in the woods And you can pluck from it that quartz Jewel Then it will bring you all kinds of great powers. Well, no one has ever reported having plucked it and come back alive with the great power So the presumption is that either Uctena destroyed the plucker or the plucker never found it But that jewel Is on tares. So next slide Little higher right one of the things that you look for with with the serpent As a serpentine row as a ceremonial stone row is behind the head There is often a niche And in that niche can be found an orange or yellow stone And that's one of the things you look for Was there why yes on this one there is one right there And that is the equivalent as above so below Of the on tares Wow, what is that stone made of? That stone is made of jasper And most of the time you will find the orange or yellow stone will be jasper Yes, where is the jasper from? Some jasper can be found in new england Some jasper can be found in north carolina, but jasper is usually found some distance away from where it's being used So people are bringing it specifically for that use with a serpentine row There are certain things that are classic There is the head often the stone usually an undulating form And usually its tail will be in a body of water a spring a lake a pond a river a brook So those are the four things that we look for Are you having a revelation my dear? Well The question and i'm so sorry that that my Mayan sister is not here because she would give us explanations that i'm not prepared to offer We have begun moving northward and i hadn't considered southward, but northward into the ancient tribes north of us Who still have a star tradition and i've met some of them and they have they have described songs and dances And i met them in in in a ceremony that was depicting Iroquoian star songs and what the star songs and this was um the Anthony Avini at Colgate University. He's written several archaeoastronomy works and he was describing and depicting the Archeoastronomy of the Iroquois people and the songs that they had and the myths that they had And we had two men who had come down from Northern Ontario And they were down for united south and eastern tribes meeting at the Oneida reservation And we were all laid back looking up in this planetarium And he was Anthony Avini was describing what we were seeing and all of a sudden i hear In a foreign language somebody saying something and then i heard it get translated into french and then i heard it get translated into english And he was when it was translated it was go back go back And so they rolled the thing back and he said there there translated through three languages and He said that it was the dog star And that they had a song and a dance That celebrated the dog star and he and his brother He was a medicine man. His brother was the chief They got up and they started playing their drums and singing the song to the dog star So i said well if they know that much i may have to travel all the way up there But i'm going to get to help us decide for some of what we're finding Because we are finding What the ancients were depicting And we no longer have the songs and we no longer have the stories Or at least those who haven't are telling me that i'm not ready yet