 Boom, what's up fam? Anthony Johnson here today, founder of 21 Studios and the Red Man Group. Got a special episode today, episode 157 with special guests new to the show for exclusive interview with Jeremy from the quartering. Before we get into today's show, check out our sponsor, of course, 21 Studios and New Locals. It's like Patreon, free speech oriented, co-founded by Dave Rubin. So it's like Patreon, but they won't ban you for hate speech and all those other fake garbage that they do today. So check out our new locals, support the channel. As a lot of you know, we recently got demonetized by YouTube temporarily. We did win the appeal, but the still longterm kind of sucks. Obviously that kind of stuff can happen again and even bigger channels can get nuked. Recently Jeremy did a video on a video or a channel of two million subscribers that got terminated, no warning, kind of like we did recently from the partner program. 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You can see he's got over 600 million views, so over half a billion, which again is just amazing. So very excited to have him on the show. And without further ado, welcome Jeremy to the show. How you doing, man? Hey, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. How are you doing today? Doing pretty good, man. Yep. Yeah. I appreciate coming on. We've been talking a little bit since the Jack Murphy phenomena. Arguably one of the biggest internet implosions within the past couple of years, if not ever. Yeah, definitely the biggest in my, probably in my lifetime, like creating content, one of the most epic unforced errors of all time. Yeah. It just kept getting worse and worse too. Like eventually people paled on, but initially it was really to stall him. And yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, it's if he had taken his L early, it might have cost him, what people don't do is they don't do the math. He lost like 40 Gs, 50 Gs a month. Not 40 or 50 Gs a month. If he had just taken his L on that article, people probably would have moved on. Yeah. If he didn't have like that meltdown and people just asked him about the article and he's like, ah, whatever, it's stupid. That would have been the end of it, almost certainly. Yeah. Like he dug himself out of, obviously I don't know if every member that left was a monthly member, but it's a fair assumption. You know, that's, you know, he lost like 500 members at 99 bucks a month. I mean, that's- And that's a short-term, long-term elusive and more. I think he'll be facing bankruptcy at this rate. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I assume his group is seated by people that either paid much less earlier or like his friends, but like, you know, you don't want to like sell $100 a month membership and then only have two members in there who would look weird, but yeah, I mean, his name is Don. He's going to have to change it again. I suspect he'll pivot into this like blue pill, blue pill back, back to his blue pill stuff where he'll be like, oh, the ride is just so toxic. We're going to do our own thing now. And then that's his only play left. I think you might try a God thing too. That's what a lot of my friends that know him were saying, like a big God pivot, but this is a good idea too, a blue pill thing. Back from Democrat to deplorable, back to being Democrat or whatever. Well, or he'll say like, you know, it was all an experiment. I embedded myself with both sides and I'm actually smarter than both of them. And here's what I now know. And the, but I actually, based on actual things, like I know you have your moles as well as I do, they're probably the same people. They have noticed a change. I have noticed a change or a strong biblical, like in his, in what he's telling his group now, he's talking about a lot of religious stuff. And I don't know if he was before, but he was a little bit or a past few months, but the timing given his implosion will be, yeah, I think that's one of the main, it's one of his top two pivots at this point to survive. And I don't want any harm to go to the guy. Like I've known him for years. I want him to be completely broke. I want him to get a regular job and have a successful life, but I don't want him grifting off men. 100%, 100%. Yeah, that's what I said. A lot of my friends were early on before the porn stuff came out, the spicy stuff. They wanted me to back off Jack and kind of ease up. And I was like, no, we're going to, we're going to meme him to oblivion. And the only thing that'll make me stop it is to get suicidal. So long as he's not suicidal, I'm going to keep going with the memes even now and just for fun. Yeah, they floated that. And that's a very frustrating thing because, you know, I've been open about that too, where like, you know, I have a big channel and I know no matter what I say to people, there's going to be some people that go too far and whatever, it's just sucks. It's a part of the game. Yeah. But like, once somebody pulls that card, I'm just out, just out. And like, does that mean that people are going to do it even though they're not? Yes. And like, I had somebody email me and say like, bro, back off, he's suicidal. I'm like, do you have any evidence of this? Well, I heard from my herd, from my herd. I'm like, okay. Well, here's a new meme of him sitting on a dildo. Like, I don't have a lot of, and even though his business has collapsed, he's still, if the numbers are month, I know the numbers of his members. So if they're all a monthly, he's still pulling 30, 40 Gs a month. So it's hard to feel bad for him. Yeah. I do hope he falls apart though, that whole thing. I mean, it's, it's sick. It's fraud. Like, it needs to stop. And I want to say to you, man, that you did, one of the reasons I made this meme specifically, it's actually an old Trump meme that we've adapted a couple of times to different frauds and stuff. But once you, once you drop the, I think it was when you dropped the spicy bits on, cause like this, this was hysterical with the Cuck stuff and then him imploding, but you took it, someone, one of your followers, I think on Twitter said, like, you took this to like Clinton side, like Clinton levels, dropping this stuff on Twitter. Dude, like, I know a lot of guys from speaking and stuff, you know, meeting Jack at our conventions and stuff. We've known him for years. And none of us knew anything about the porn stuff. Like this got us, the Cuck stuff is pretty bad, but you know, his whole life. That was always floating around too. That had been floating around for some time. You know, there's, how do I say this? You know, the reason I, I mean, when you reached out about doing the podcast, I don't normally do them. Yeah. And you seem like- A very exclusive podcast. Exclusive, ultra exclusive. Well, it's, it's a more about like, you know, finding somebody who's authentic. Like there are other people in this space, you know, if you know who I'm talking about and you want to name them, that's fine. But there are other dudes who like wrote articles about bang and trannies and then there is our transvestites or whatever. Cernovich, Cernovich. You know, like, yeah. And like, hey, here's my thing. Awesome. Bang who you want to bang, bro. Like I couldn't care less if you have a thing for, for, you know, trans women or men or whatever. But then don't, don't like, don't, don't try to act like some super alpha, you know, I am the way. Hyper masculine, yeah. Yeah. Like bang who you want. Awesome. But there's a lot of guys in the, in the manosphere who are complete frauds. Yup. And, Amen, brother. A woman. Yeah, a woman. You know, the, also, there's a lot of degenerates that a lot of people don't know about. I'm not like going to drop names now, but like if you hang out in these circles, a lot of these like conservative guys who are family guys are actual like, you know, poon hounds and like, you know, they talk, they live the, they live the clean life, but they don't, I see it because I go to conventions, you know, and I speak at these events and I see people on our side, what they're really like. And it's, You've done a public speaking. I wasn't aware of that. Yeah, I've done a myth con. I did a couple of MRA. I did the, Oh, I see mine. Your thing. Yep. Yep, I did that. Cool. And, you know, I don't, I don't love public speaking because I get real anxious with it, but you know, I've seen all these people behind the scenes and they are having fresh and fit. Oh yeah. Like, you know, like all of these, like is there, is there, I mean, the amount of, oh my God, I remember the, do you remember coach Red Pill? Yeah, I know he is. Yeah, there's that guy and like, all these dudes end up being shady. They have some, you know, they have fake names and then all those bad bullshit attached to their old names. And, I don't know much about coach Red Pill, but He's a dead meme now, but I mean like he was, you know, he was coming up and he was doing these, he would do these, you know how in the, in like the MRA space, there's a pretty clear line of delineation that doesn't get talked about a lot. Like if you talk to a lot of these men, there's like, there's like migthouse, which is to me totally fine. And, but then there's like also people that like really hate women. Yeah. And like, that's not healthy either. No. And so his following was like that, you know, like, oh, treat women like garbage because they're just a warm, wet, whole kind of stuff. And I'm like, well, this is not being a man either. Like this is like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like women will never love me. So therefore I'll be terrible to them. And then they won't love me. So I'll prove myself right. And they get in this like confirmation by a cycle. Yeah, exactly. So it's, I saw Lauren Southern attacking coach Red Pill a little while ago in a debate. So that makes sense now. I didn't fully understand why she was doing that. He's, yeah, he's like a dead meme, but I mean, he was pretty popular in the space for a while. Like there was a time where like, I think he had gone to like, he rose pretty quickly to like 100,000, 150,000 subs. Back when that meant something, like back when you could still grow organically on YouTube. Yeah. And then like, I would watch his videos. And it was crazy because he like seven camera angles. They were like over, and he was just sitting there drinking his coffee all dramatic, like you never stick your dick in crazy. Drinking his coffee, he's like a gruff, like dude who probably doesn't get laid at all, you know? Yeah. There's another guy with the cameras like that named Donovan, kind of in Sharpic column. Donovan Sharp is his fake name. Yeah. He has like 10 cameras he bought for like no particular reason. And they're always just switching. And it's like, I get one or two, you know, if you want to look for maybe even three, but like seven and like it gets nuts. It's just this rampant narcissism. And honestly- Right, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I want to say too that like, I love the man's sphere. I've been in it since 2005. I found it when I was a kid in high school and it really helped change my life and I built a whole business out of it. We built 21 convention is basically like a TED Talks for men, kind of like an independent TED Talks. Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to admit 100% that what you're saying is correct that the man's sphere is a really positive place, but also this like toxic shithole that attracts like a lot of frauds, frauds, degenerates, like liars and thieves. And like it's a lot of men end up in it that are exiting, you know, bad relationships, toxic relationships, marriages that go south, divorces, family court, whether it's MGTOW or men's rights or Red Pill or even the PUA stuff. And therefore it's like, it's a necessary thing. I've seen a lot of YouTubers say, I've been preached of this too, but then also it really attracts like real predation and it just sucks. I've been fighting a tooth and nail for a couple of years now trying to make it better. And it's like, it's a real, even Sernovich called a man's sphere the ghetto of the internet a couple of years ago and he's right. Like it sucks. Probably not wrong. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's, you know, there's that stuff where, you know, it's there's a lot of good there, but you know, and there's a lot of attraction to it. But yeah, the janitorial stuff, I appreciate you doing that because it's a, it's like the bigger these clowns get, the faker they are. Like these fresher fit dudes, like bonafide clowns. And- They didn't start that way either. I met Myron, one of them fit, whatever out of the two of them a couple of years ago came to my convention. He had a small channel like 5,000 subs. It was about fitness at that point. And I didn't think he was a fraud at that point. I just didn't, I didn't really think he knew anything. And so I just kind of ignored, I thought I was polite. I talked to him and then he emailed me and I just kind of ignored him because he wasn't hanging out with these mega frauds yet. And he wasn't like getting into the red pill stuff that he clearly, he clearly doesn't understand women. He clearly is like socially awkward and sucks. A lot of creepy Harvey Weinstein shit. That, right. That's right. Like he treats women like garbage because he thinks that that's like the thing. And then like I get people emailing me about stuff he's done and like stuff that I would really have to have some receipts to bring up. Like women he's brought on the show. And I'm like, okay, well I hear it from one person and then I hear it from another and then I hear it from another. And I'm like, this is a little too spicy for me. Like I don't really, I'm always replying. And I'll say like all cops, you know, like this, you know, this I meme on people. I don't, I'm not like an investigative service, you know. I did one investigation last year, but and people really loved it. It was called the truth about Donovan Sharp. Be like a hundred thousand views pretty quick. And it really exposed that Donovan guy. And it was a three hour documentary. Like I really, I spent a week on this. And that was my first time really trying to investigate somebody. Cause the more I dug, the more I found. And I was like, oh, so it was constantly like I would film and then I'm like digging through all the stuff I have. And I'm like, oh, shit, oh, shit. When are you going to do one on Rallo? I've done a couple on him, but they were smaller scale. One, my first one, that was actually my first dabble at like investigating someone. That was 20 minutes though. And people complained that there wasn't enough receipts. So it was too short. And then I made this three hour one. People loved it, but then like, oh, it's too long. Trying to find a sweet spot. Rallo too is also, he's been hunting you for a while by the way, he loves you. He follows a lot of your stuff. He wants to use you to like distribute his toxic crap. You and a razor fist is another guy. He stalks like that on Twitter. Yeah, he, I know I'm not stupid. I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm saying like, I see he like DMs me. He's like, oh, I saw you know this Jack Murphy stuff. If you want to come on my show, I'm like, dude. Yeah, we'll be buddies, bro. Yeah, we'll be buddies. We'll be buddies, man. I can talk about my book. Like, no. And like, oh my God, when he went on, you are here with this like post rock ponytail and like talking about slaying chicks and stuff. Yeah, yeah. We actually have a big video on Rallo going out. It's supposed to go out this morning, but there's a copyright block on it. It was supposed to end after 48 hours. So I hit up YouTube and actually got back to me. So it should be out tomorrow morning. I'm excited to drop it. It's one of our best hit videos on Rallo we've ever dropped. And Rallo is the worst, by the way. Jack, well, Jack and Rallo are equal mega-frauds, but Rallo has not been discovered yet and exposed at that level. That was what was so crazy about Jack blowing up as he was like this mega-fraud. And then you had all this evidence that like equaled the level of insane fraud going on. Rallo's at that level, but he's whimmer, clever. He's not stupid. Yes, correct. Yeah, he's not stupid and he's been in the game for a long time. I think, you know, the thing about Jack, you know, he has so many receipts. I mean, who would have thought that? I think Nick Monroe bought the book, but there was like that book written by somebody who is like a principal or whatever at the charter school that like named him specifically. Oh yeah, I found that. He used him of like specific stuff. And I'm like, dang, like that's a hard receipt. Yeah, soup, yeah, right. And there was so much stuff that didn't add up. Like there's, excuse me, I don't like, and maybe it is the narcissism, but the people that think their viewers are dumb. Like, bro, one of these two things is true. Either you made millions of dollars fixing charter schools or you had to do amateur porn on a campsite. Because when he came out, he's like, oh, we just didn't have any money coming in and we just had to do it. We didn't have any other. Bro, just say that you're into it. You clearly are. And then like he probably would have lost a third as many. He would have lost some, especially people like hard. There's a lot of like very hardcore, like Christian religious people, they would have been out for sure. But like, there's a lot of other people that probably would have stayed. But no, he's like, oh, I was just eating out of can of beans. I couldn't afford to live. But I was also a super powerful school district guy who made millions a year. Yeah. I want to give an example too, by the way. Like a lot of people would not be, like the hardcore Christian people would not be into Jack being bi and cucking and all that stuff. Yeah. The cucking in particular is like really anti-masculine in a way. I don't know how you're going to swing that about even general population. Or peeing on your wife's face. Peeing on your wife's face, exactly. Like that. Hook up the butt. But I want to say too, there's another Jack in the Manusphere who's very legit, Jack Donovan. He's an author and kind of a philosopher. He read his books called The Way of Men, A More Complete Beast. And it's the really cool, I've known him for a long time. And he's actually bisexual, gay, but he's open about it and he doesn't lie about it. He's never lied about it. And so everyone's known that from day one, so they don't mind him speaking, not only in general, but even on issues like masculinity. Because he's not a fraud and he's not a liar, he doesn't cover it up. It's the insane level of deception that Jack Murphy got into for years and all of it, just the hypocrisy of it, peeing on your wife's face, now he's into God. What does God think about you peeing on your wife's face? I wonder. Yeah, that's actually a really good example. It's people think, it is a narcissism thing. I'm smarter than everybody. I'm gonna craft my persona. And then, but the reality is people, if you have something good to say, people will ignore a lot of your baggage. You don't have to lie. You just don't have to. You don't have to dye your beard like some kind of weirdo. You just have to. You know, I asked him in person about that beard thing several times, I'm like, is your beard naturally like that? Do you dye it? Because I'm like, this has to dye this, right? It's insane, right? Yeah. I think he puts it in there. Yeah, yeah. But he kept claiming it was real. I'm like, dude, like it really looks dyed. Like I'm 99% sure it's dyed. You sure it's not dyed? He's like, no, man, it's real. I'm like, whatever. The lines are too clean. Like if I put my beard out, I do have like, like on the sides here, it's brown, but it's actually, it's like a reverse Jack Murphy, but it's still not like gray. Like there's still like other regular colors on there. But yeah, I'd be interested to hear, you know, I would be willing to bet that almost all of the members of the Reminal Order came from Tim Poole's viewership. I'd be interested to, you know, hear what Tim had to say about that one day off the record because I'm sure he's not happy. He'll never be back on that show. Never, never, never, never, never. That's just it, you know. Yeah. Someone was actually asking in the chat, are you still on the outs with Tim Kast? I don't know what that's about, but anything you comment? I don't, I mean, I'm not mad at him. I think what really happened was they brought me out and like they said, hey, you wanna come on the show? For the second time. And then I was like, yeah, sure. But like to be totally honest with you, for me to take a day off work, I lose a lot of money. For me to take like two days off work, which is what it takes to travel and school, it's really a lot of money. So look, when I do, if I do an appearance somewhere on site, it has to be worth it. Like it has to be, you know, it has to equal or be greater than that. And I had already been on Tim's show. I already, you know, kind of had that. We share such a huge percentage of the audience. I was just looking at it from a business perspective. So I said, okay, well, I'll come out, but I wanna go on like two nights in a row. Because I, you know, I gotta fly out there, drive for an hour, all this stuff. And the first night went great. And then the second night, I was probably a little too laxed. I didn't know Tim took his like, his prep so seriously. So like, I went on his ex-friends podcast at like five o'clock. And I had no idea that this would have been an issue because I was told by people in his house that it was totally fine. And then his show started at six. And then so it was like 5.50 and I was gonna head up there and he was pissed that I wasn't there for like the pre-show. And I was, and so I canceled the show. And then... Beanie Commander swinging hard, dude. Yeah, so then I said, basically, and that's so many words like, okay, fucking, you know, I was like, okay, this is dumb. This is an emotional decision. You said, well, I need to prepare. I'm like, dude, I do this for a living. I don't need to prepare. I know what's in the news. And I know what, you know what I mean? Like, it's not like I need to know the topics of that day's political news because I already know it. So I was like pissed that I flew all the way out there and then he had like a little meltdown. But... And this is like New Jersey or something he lives in? It's a way, it's out west, yeah, in DC area. And then out west, yeah. East. That's east of the country, yeah? I don't know where you live, but... But the, and like, so... But I accept some blame there. Like I should have, I guess, asked him directly. I think he was mad that I went on Adam's show because Adam used to be on his show and then there was some weirdness. I don't know, I don't know the truth of what it is. I think he was mad about that. And then the fact that I showed up like five minutes before live time, he was double mad, I think. You're still not late. Technically you weren't late. I wasn't late. I wasn't late. And then... And there was employees in his house that told you this is fine and go another guy's show? Yes, yes. Everyone, his assistant told me, or Lydia and all these people told me it was totally fine. He doesn't care. So I went on his show and then, yeah. And then like, it was like 5.50. And I went outside for like a cigarette. I'm like, okay, I'll prepare for Tim's show. Well, you know, just mentally clear it, go out there. And then he was like, yeah, we're not doing the show tonight. And then I think I was like, okay. Like I don't know if you wanted me to like fight for it, but I was like, okay, see it was Friday night. I was like, all right, peace. You know, like I'll get back to my hotel and leave tomorrow morning and I'll just stream, which is what I did. But it wasn't like anything major and I don't hold it against him. You know, maybe I just didn't take it seriously enough. But to me, it's just a podcast, like I don't care. Like it's... So I don't know. I don't think he was, I think he was mad that day. I don't think he's like holding a grudge or anything. We still talk occasionally. So anyway, long answer. But yes, I'm fine with Tim. I'm sure he doesn't give a crap about it either. Okay. Yeah, it's good to get clarity on it. I wasn't aware of this, but I guess some of the fans were. Well, yeah, and of course I hyped it up, you know, because I did a live stream right away and people were like, thought some major, major thing went on. Really just, I think he probably takes his show more seriously than I thought he did. And he was like, I will just take the night off. Who knows, you know, maybe he was having a weird relationship issue that day or something. I mean, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying you never know what people... I worked retail for a long time. And like one of my early bosses that actually respected, you know, when I would get a customer that was rude to me or something like that and I would get mad about it, you know, they'd just say like, hey, you don't really know what they're going through when they walked in the door here. So maybe he was going through some stuff. I don't know. And it just came out in that manner. What store did you work at? I used to work retail too when I was young. Office Max, Best Buy, Menards, Staples. I was a circuit city and a Sears guy in HH Greg. Oh, nice. Circuit city, dude. Ress and Pepperoni circuit city. Yeah, I know. I loved the man growing up, it was fun. Yeah, well, they had, they paid their sales guys commission too, which was, I always wanted to work there in where I lived. By the time I got there, they had shut that off. Some of the guys working there were, they had an hourly that was their old commission. Like it was huge. Way more was like triple what I made or quadruple. Oh, cause they had to compensate for it. Yeah. Yeah, they did. By the time I, so I'm, I'm 38, but like my friend who's 41 worked at circuit city, he got paid commission. I think they did cut it off like by the time, cause he was making, I mean, I thought back then, you know, when it was just been like mid 90s, he was probably making 60 grand a year. Yeah. Selling PCs to, cause they were new, you know, it was like the Pentium One era. Dude, the commission guys I worked with, they were making like some of them are $30, $40 an hour. Like we were making, we were making like eight bucks an hour as kids, you know, working there. That's what I made. I made like 725. I like the commission I got was, if I sold a cell phone contract, you know, or if I told the extended warranties. Yeah. Yeah. I was a slayer dude in the circuit city of the warranties. All the old people love me dude, five year warranty for 800 bucks, no problem. Oh yeah. I'm an, I'm an $1100 computer. Well, not TVs mostly, but I had computers too. Yeah. I worked in computers and I would be like, oh, you need a three year service, and people would buy it. Yeah. And it was like two or 300 bucks at OfficeMax and the computer was like 700 and they'd buy it. Yeah. But for me, like, I would get, I think I only got 10%. I got like 30 or 40 bucks if I sold it. Yeah. But like, that was a lot of money when you made seven bucks an hour. You know, I was like, shoot, you sold two, three of those a weekend. And you know, you've lived in life. Yeah, I'm killing it. It was fun working there too, man. Goofy stuff growing up. We used to like Gamecube and like Xbox to like three in the morning sometimes, like dodgeball, we destroy this like huge TV once, manager hit over the dodgeball, just crashed. All kinds of, all kinds of, there's all kinds of stories you get from working retail like that, dude. Our GM one time, even this chick, she stole like a couple dozen iPods. Then she got busted. Oh nice. They didn't prosecute. She didn't get arrested, but she had to resign. Like the CNN president, he just resigned. Yeah. Retired, you know, immediately after 20 years. All kinds of stupid shit like that. Well, yeah. Anyone who's learning retail knows that the overwhelming percentage of shrink or theft comes from employees. Like I had a key to the electronics. I was like 16 and I had a key to the lock room. Like, I don't know who else had keys, but I know like big one for us was Ram, computer Ram. I'd be like, oh, it says we have seven of these sticks and Stock and I can find one. And back then Ram was expensive. It was like 250 bucks a stick or 200 bucks a stick, you know? I was like, oh, that's pocket sized. I wonder where that went. Yeah. Taking a few steps back out of the manager sphere. I just want to say, man, like you did a huge service to our community when you destroyed Jack Murphy. I know you weren't the only one involved obviously, but you were a major tipping point, I think with getting it out to a big audience, which helped spiral it into this massive PR storm that he deserved for grifting and defrauding people so long from the truth. And I appreciate it. I know a lot of guys do as well. Yeah. I'm, you know, hey, it was fun. You know, I mean, it's always, everyone loves exposing a fraud. Everyone loves watching it and. Everybody with balls. I mean, some people really, they don't want to ever touch this stuff even when it's obvious. And it's like, man, someone's got to like step up and clean this shut up. Well, that's in, I mean, you have no problem with that, but inside of like our communities, like the concentric circles, you know, we share similar viewers. And, you know, the, there are a lot of people who like are popular that know Jack that knew about all this stuff. Not only did they not say anything, but they never said anything, even when it came out, which to me is like, bro, like you've, you've been retweeting this guy for years and you didn't even address it. And there's several people and you probably know what I'm talking about, but like, come on, man, like this dude prayed on your audience, say something. Like, I'm not saying you got to put out a two hour video, but acknowledge that, you know. Sernovich said it says something. The fact he didn't does not bode well for him. I don't think he said anything about it. He never said a thing. Pasobic never said a thing. Tim never said a thing. All these guys have propped him up since the beginning. And like that kind of blackpilled me a little bit on like internet friends kind of thing. I've met these guys too, Pasobic and Sernovich and stuff. And they're all nice. They're all nice people in person. And, you know, but like I lost a lot of respect for like, you know, Jack in particular, who's hoisted him up and Tim a lot. Like, bro, he's on your show every other week and he's like grifting his stuff to your viewers and he refused to even just acknowledge. Just say you fired him. You don't even have to say why. Not even a tweet, man. Not even a tweet. Nevermind a video, nothing. Yeah, I did a video call him out for this. I kind of went over the top of it. I kind of pushed it. They actually, well, they actually monetized it. They reviewed it. Yeah. Thanks, yeah, yeah. That was really depressing to me. I mean, I had a feeling that Sernovich and Jack wouldn't say anything, but like, Tim, come on. He's a regular on your show. Look at your chat. His live chat was like killing him for weeks and he never said a thing about it. And I was like, Timmy, I know you don't like drama, but bro, this is your guy. This guy is grifting off your audience. All you had to say is like, all right, I know about the Jack stuff. He's never coming back on the show. That's all I'm gonna say about it. And that's it. He didn't have to say a lot. Look at this guy peeing on his wife's face. He didn't have to talk about any of that stuff. He could have just said, yeah, he's not back on. It was Apex level stuff, man. Apex level. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's real Apex level. Sigma stuff. I think what the, I know you said you got blackpedaled by it, I know what you mean. Like these guys, these men have huge following, Sernovich, Pesovic, in particular, and Tim Pool. And each is a different personality and a little bit different audience, but like, there's men and women who look up to these people. There's like leaders and content creators and like, almost like champions in this culture war. And when push comes to shove, they say nothing. They close ranks. Yeah, even when they know, even when it's obvious, even when it's proof, even when it's in their own space. And it caused harm in some way, financially or whatever, to their own fans. And they said nothing. And yeah, it's fucking, it's pathetic, man. I hate it. Yeah, there's a lot of these guys too that are, yeah, I mean, and like, it's frustrating. You don't have to be like mean about it, but like you said, I know, you can, I was, but the, like, I guarantee you there were members of my audience that were in the liminal order. And like, you know, and like, because they emailed me and they're like, they're almost like embarrassed by it. And they're like, but they were allegedly, they were actually doing some good things, not, you know, in spite of Jack pretty much to help each other out and stuff like that. And, you know, they, I don't know if you caught this, I've revealed it a few times, like casually on podcasts, but like, you know who sent me the spicy stuff? I was gonna ask. I didn't know, and I didn't know if you wanted to share the note for it. Sure. It was one of, it was a consumer of it. Wow. Wow. So they enjoyed his videos, but then the hypocrisy is why, you know, then they sent it to me. I mean, that stuff was so serious. I didn't, I didn't know where you got it from, but I was like, dude, is there some like government agent dumping this blackmail all of a sudden on Debbie Haddon Jack? Cause that was a theory, and unfortunately, understandably, given what happened. Well, a lot of people talk to him like, that's career ending stuff. It was. Yeah. That was the, he was able to like, he would have survived the cuff meltdown. Yeah. And then on Tim's show, which was his pipeline of customers, that was it, the videos, that was it. And then the old audio clip of him on that podcast, just being like a total degenerate, like. Yeah. How about the little boys? There's some audio or the porn stuff too, like the little boys and shit. They're tight little assholes. It's like, oh my God. I know. And you don't just say that stuff. You know, like, at least not in like context matters. Yeah. And he's like grifting gay men in that, like, in that scenario. And like, yeah, college boys, right in their tight little assholes, like Jesus dude, like. I never found any. You're still coming back from that. Yeah. Now I never saw any Pito stuff out of it. I was worried that would come up, but a lot of it was really flirting with that line. Like the little boys and even, you know, I fuck little girls and shit he said. The little girls thing was really bad. And I know, like, I think even when I covered it, I was like, I made sure like, you know, I'm going to look at this in a, as like, as good faith as I can and say it's creepy. But there were people that were like, took it, you know, in bad faith and was like, oh, he's definitely a Pito. I didn't really see that as a Pito thing, but it was also like, the rest of the article was enough. I didn't need to focus on that little thing, you know? Yeah, I was confused by that at first, but then I found out it was like a BDSM thing or the girl's dressing for shit. That makes more sense. I don't think Jack's a Pito. No, I don't either. Until I see evidence of that, I don't suspect that or believe that. He's really obviously super weird, but I don't think that. Yeah, he's just like a, you know, a kinky dude. Again, as you mentioned earlier, would have been fine. Would have been fine. He might have lost some people, but and Tim would have kicked. The most important blow Tim was Tim kicking him off the show because he will never regain any of those people or he won't regain that pipeline. I know he's going to platform them now, but if he's smart and I think he finally figured it out, like stop fighting it. You have 35 or 300 people that are paying you still $100 a month to shut up, to shut up and get back to work and preserve them as long as you can, which is what it seems like he's doing now. So I think that there's a long-term, like a long tail if you're familiar with that effect of this that we're going to see with Jack. So when I went after Donovan Sharp, he had this guy, you know, the fraud was talking about Conovan. He had 1,200 or so, like 1,100 and change, almost 1,200 Patreon subscribers, paying him anywhere from five bucks to like 50 a month. Most are probably five bucks, right? Yeah, 90% of them, yeah. You know, initially there was a big drop off and he lost some subscribers on his channel, obviously. And there was a lot of pushback. The black man is fair in particular. It was like a subgroup in the man's sphere, like the black man's sphere. It's always black guys. And they went after him really hard. They loved it. There was super high drama. They loved it too. I was like, these guys are great. Now what ended up happening is he lost pretty fast by me like 200 Patreon subscribers. It took another year until now he's done like 550. So in this normal, as you know, Patreon and like kind of like YouTube and normally it just kind of goes up over time to have any kind of, if it flat lines, that's understandable maybe. You're not producing content that people want or something. But for it to tank in half like that. And a lot of that was slow. It was over time. We kept putting out more videos and more memes and stuff. And it's demolished that aspect of his business, which is the major way he made money. So we cut that in half by just by exposing the truth. Well, and the, yeah, you're right. And also it's like the way the other way the long tail works is like every tweet that they put out, there will be someone who's like forever someone will post is like every tweet. And by the way, it's not just a jack thing, but it's everybody who gets exposed like this. Like if you pull up Jack's Twitter again, like he's tweeting again, but every single time there's several people that like, bro, this you, bro, this you, bro, this you, like. Yeah, cause those birds are after mother they're never gonna let go ever. Never, ever. Like if you file internet culture, there are guys like DSP and Wings of Redemption. These are guys that are like internet Lulcows who stream to like 200 people because their careers are dead. Well, like 150 of them are Spurgs who hate them. There are channels that meme on them that are bigger than their own channels. And like once they have you and then it's over. Like they're just gonna always, always, always be on you. Yeah, little Pipples. I love it. Yeah, you don't want the whole internet coming after you like that. But I just want to say one more time, man. Big shout out to you, big kudos. Like you, you put your balls online to do this and you had some, you had some pushback from that. You got temporary banned on Twitter and that can happen to everyone. I do all these memes and I'm pretty, I'm really aggressive sometimes with going after these guys but I know it's not risk-free. And the YouTube monetization thing that could be related to Jack could not be, some people theorize that. And I think it's likely given YouTube modifying the results but we don't really know and we never will. But you, you got temp banned on Twitter that could happen on YouTube, all kinds of stuff. And you still did it anyway. Well, there were people behind the scenes too. Like I had people threatening me, all sorts of stuff. And like sending me emails, like leave Jack alone if you know what's good for you. And then pictures of my wife. Like, I don't publicize this stuff because that's what they want. And I'm not afraid of some pussy who's going to send that email like, bro, I mean, I'm not telling you to show up at my house but I'm telling you, you really don't want to. And like the, you know, I live in a castle doctrine state. And yeah, so I like, I really don't think you want to play this game. But I keep the shotgun literally right here. Yeah, but I have several throughout the house. I have a magnetically mounted on walls like. Nice. Yeah, so like. I don't know, you're a gun guy, that's awesome. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, great. Fuck yeah. Is that an AR or something? That's an AK. Okay. AK-47, yeah. Yeah, nice. I got a short barrel AK. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, the, but that's my, oh, I heard something upstairs. I needed to just put a huge hole in the floor. And yeah. Yeah. The, so yeah, is without, not without risk, but the bigger risk to me is that like, I noticed that a lot of guys that were close to him don't retweet me anymore. Pussies, you know, and like that, that is an actual cost of it. Like you burn bridges, they close, there's a group of like conservative ink guys that like close ranks, like they all protect Cerno. And the thing about Cernovich is like, I don't even care. I don't care that he, if he did blow off of a trans woman's ass, I don't care. But the fact that he like, if anyone brings it up, he blocks them and he has any spurgs out. And he like, dude, like that's, that's weak tit. I don't like that. You know, and then- On the plus side though, I think what happened to Jack in which you're in large part responsible for, it's really put a lot of these frauds on edge. They're really kind of freaked out. I don't know about Cernovich, maybe, but particularly Rolo and Conovan, this guy, a lot of the manuscript griptors, you know, Jack was still very much a manuscript guy. I saw you in a video recently, like November, he was claiming the manuscript as the reason that the Virginia's governor's race went the way it did and the guy won. And I don't even know if I agree with that, but he was saying- Exactly, yeah. Yeah, I know. But, you know, and this is coming from Jack who, you know, a year or two ago was saying the manuscript is dead. So it's constant flip-flopping, you know, kind of crap. But anyway, there's still, Jack was a manuscript fraud, even if he was also mega-fraud and conservative ink. And there's a lot of manuscript frauds who are kind of freaked out because they know that they're next. It's gonna take just enough evidence and just enough guys like you or whoever and me and whatever to meme them and expose them. And before you know it, it's viral and then they're just demolished. And these guys, some of them are dangerously close and they hate it. Cause I'm like, I'm relentless with it too, man. I just don't stop. People are like, oh, you need to stop being drama. I'm like, I don't care. Like, this is real conflict. Yeah, yeah, right. That's like everyone who comes on my channel and says, oh, stop uploading videos about Jack. And it's the bar, the most viewed video I have. You're just clout-chasing, bro. You're just clout-chasing. Yeah. Clout-chasing someone smaller than you, right? That makes perfect sense. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, that's what they said about me interviewing that girl from G4 TV too. And it's like, the people will be like, oh, anything but a Jack video. And I'll put a Jack video, like 300,000 views. And then I upload some breaking news videos and get 70,000 views. Like, no, no, I know what people like, people love it. I love it. I watched like every video on it. Like it was, it was so hilarious to me. Yeah, yeah. It was like, it was remember, do you remember, it was on a less of a scale, but do you remember the hilarity of the Quindu thing, that he will not divide us thing? Oh, with the actor. With LaBeouf, yeah. Yeah, try LaBeouf. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember like, I was like totally, every video about it I would watch and it was the most hilarious thing ever. It reminded me of that where it was like, man, everybody just crushing this guy was just so hilarious to me. And then him, we need a war room now. I need some people who are willing to dig up some stuff. Then he realized that there were moles. And he's like, and then it disappeared. Yeah, go ahead, post more incriminating information in your fed backed chat, your CIA backed wicker chat. So before we get going on you further, you got to go in a little bit. I did want to talk about video games in the hemisphere. Yeah, but also video games and kind of world culture. Like when I first found your channel actually, it was because I was looking at one of my favorite games ever, The Last of Us. Yeah. And then also of course, I love it. Then The Last of Us 2, and you had one of the first videos I saw and I think it's how you found it, I find your channel actually. Yeah. And what's funny is I thought you were just a video game channel. Like I didn't realize you did much wider commentary and reporting and stuff. But I don't want to talk about like the video, the man is fear is aware that video games like Hollywood, like movies, like the media is infiltrated by woke stuff and it's being destroyed. And particularly the movies is like really obvious. But video games are also, so there's an awareness of this in our community, but there's also a lot of hostility to like anybody playing games at all. It's always, especially the trad guys, they just mock it constantly. And it's like low, to me it's like catnip for conservatives and these guys who are like the one to be hyper masculine. Yeah, video games, man, go outside and chop some wood. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's just dumb. I've never agreed with that. I'm one of the only guys in our community that's ever said anything about it. I'll post like a Zelda game I get or something and people like, you know, they find me. You know these dudes, by the way, who are saying that, they're playing like Candy Crush on their phone. I guarantee it, I guarantee it. Like, you know and I know that these dudes that are like, man, just read some ancient philosophy instead of playing video games. Yeah, right. You're sitting at home watching that. Taking ice bath. Right. You're watching housewives stuff or garbage trash TV. Come on. Yeah, it is disappointing that like, TradCon guys are weird about video games because I think that's just stupid. It's like the same people like, I hate NFTs, but I'm not so stupid to like not know that this is gonna be a huge space and I need to understand it. And like, so like, if you don't like video games, that's fine, but if you're like actively trying to like disparage them, that's stupid too because it's an important tool, like you mentioned for like in the culture war. Yeah. You know, it all plays into the, a lot of the tropes that I talk about is like, there's this huge push of demasculate men in every way. Like they told us for years that, guys drinking soy was good and that women didn't like guys who were fit. And they tried to sell us the dad bod. The guys with the pop bellies are the hottest thing around. It's cute. It's cute, man, be fat. Yeah, like these are all, like I don't go super tin foil, but in my opinion, much of this is part of a bigger push to like emasculate men, remove, like, look at your own military. Look at our military ads versus China's. China's have like a bunch of Chad Chinese guys blowing up stuff and fighter jets and our guys are like, ooh, I'm a member of the LGBTQ community. And yeah, like, bro, who do you want defending your country? Like the rock goes all the way to the top. It's in the schools. It's why there's this thing, there is no toxic masculinity. There is only masculinity. And it's very prevalent in the video game community that these beta male and man-hating women end up in positions. And I think they get off on it. I think they get off on, like there's somebody at Las Vegas, it's like subversion. They're like, oh yeah, everyone loves Joel. Let's have an obvious like dude, chick dude kill him because that'll piss everyone off. Like that's how they think. It wasn't even just that though. Like I really tried to play it even though I knew it was going to be terrible because I hate all this wood crap. And the last of us one had almost zero that, right? Very, maybe like Bill being gay that seemed kind of shoehorn, but that was very minimal. And there's always some of that. And that never bothers me. Like when it says, okay, he's a token character fine, whatever, you know? Yeah, exactly. But the way the way to even characterize Joel before he dies, I didn't even get that far. I played the opening and I just fucking shut it down. They destroyed him. Yeah. They destroyed him. They shut the shell before himself. Well, look what they did to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. Yep. Oh, all the men love Luke. Let's turn him into a huge coward. Like on what planet and what world, no, that else. What reality would Luke Skywalker turn into that loser? One where people want to subvert and like, oh, this is millions of young boys looked up to this guy. Let's make them drink kiddie milk. There's in my mind, I'm sure not every case is like this, but I could absolutely see somebody being like, hey, let's destroy these male role models. Let's show men that these guys are really just not as cool as they thought they were. And you just see it everywhere. So you don't think it's necessarily conspiracy, but it is an interconnected, is what you're saying, an intentional. Yes, I believe it is absolutely intentional. I don't go so far as to say like, oh, there's somebody at the top like puppet mastering. Some people do. And I don't have information to the contrary. So I just let it ride. But I've interacted with enough of these people who are in charge of things that Marvel, who are in charge of things that Disney, that talk like this, you know what I mean? Like it's not me just saying this is a feeling. This is me interacting with these weirdos for the past five, 10 years covering these people. And this is how they talk, you know, like, oh, we're gonna take this comic book and we're gonna have a fat character and then we're gonna own the chuds and we're gonna have a character named Snowflake in safe space, like literally. And they got destroyed. Like the book never even came out. But whoever wrote that, you know, that was deliberate. That was deliberately. Is it true that Superman was recently buttpoked in prison? Did I understand that correctly? That's correct. Yeah. That's great. That's really crazy. Superman. Like are you kidding me? And also they turned the new Superman. It's not Clark Kent, it's his son, but hey, he's gay by our comic book. Like that stuff is so lazy. It's offensive to me. It's not the fact that he's gay. It's just like, Jesus, are you that? Do you think we're that dumb? And they, so yeah, I think that, and in video games too. Like I think that 99% of the people that work at these video game companies love making video games. They love the game they're making, right? Then they have like two or three people at top. We see this because the positions, it's a brand new position that didn't exist 10 years ago. These GDI positions, right? Gender, diversity and inclusion positions. Diversity executive officer. DEI, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or DEO or whatever. Yeah, all these big companies, now they have these people. And it's their job to look at this final product and be like, well, you don't have, and then I think what makes it look shoehorn is then they go back and they're like, oh crap. You know, I have to make, we gotta make this character gay now or we gotta make this character less toxic or this. And there are people that get off on ruining masculinity. This is undeniable, but also I do think most grunts who like who work at these companies, because I talk to them. Like when I rip on Blizzard or I rip on Electronic Arts or whatever, their employees email me and they're like, bro, I like your videos, but come on, man. I'm just a coder. I just, I don't make these decisions to kill Joel. That's like made by Neil Druckmann exclusively. Like there isn't anybody else at that company that's like, you know, doing that to- There was even employees that protested, right? They left, they resumed, or that. So, I mean like, I get it, but like, I think it's a natural progression when success becomes this like lean to the woke we see with Ethan Klein, right? He made a bunch of money. Now he's like a woke idiot. And the worst part about it. The YouTuber? Yeah, H3H3 Productions. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that, yeah. Yeah, like he grew up on edgy humor. And then now he's putting out tweets like, oh, I interviewed Jordan Peterson, made all the money from it, millions of views, you know? But he's a gateway to the alt-right. Can you believe somebody said gateway to the alt-right in 2022? Well, Ethan Klein did. And he's like, got two million Twitter followers. He's like, he's a gateway to the alt-right. So I'm gonna delete this video I did two years ago and then pause for applause, you know? Once people get money, they all move to the same place. They all talk to the same people. They no longer have to worry about putting out great products because they just have to be a part of that marketing machine where, oh, this is a stunning and brave situation now because Abby, who's, I mean, even if you think that they were trying to hint at her being trans or if you play the game, you know she's not trans. But like the fact that she's like- She's like super jacked, right? Yeah, she's ambiguous. Like she's sexually ambiguous. Like there are angles you're like, this is a dude. And like, by the way, where are you getting Royds in a post-apocalyptic world for a woman to maintain that kind of body mass? Like- 30, what is it? 30 years in a post-apocalypse, right? 30 years later. Not a year later, 30. 30, yeah. Where's she getting her andro? You know, like, where's she getting her muscle milk? Like a woman to pack on that much body mass. So like, I know it's just a video game, fine. They're zombies, you know? But like, you know, that kind of stuff is on purpose. Definitely. Let's pause it because it's not just, you know, video games and whatever it's entertainment and stuff. It's more than that. Cause in my view, it's art and there's hundreds of millions of dollars just in like one franchise like The Last of Us. Nevermind the company's backing it like Sony that own it and Naughty Dog or whatever. It's like, this is a serious thing that involves a lot of money and influence for what people are going to be inspired by and what they're going to aspire to maybe even if it's a video game, right? Joel was a character who was very masculine and it's like a traditional way in game one is really well done. And then he gets killed by trans, abby, super rude, so steroid chick. And he's a massacred loser. Yeah, that's the important part is that he didn't die like heroically either. Yeah. They emasculated him. Destroyed his legacy. That was on purpose. And like... It killed the vicious, just reading about it. Yeah. And by the way, it's also going to be an HBO show. And you know what I'd be willing to bet? I'd be willing to bet that Joel's back to that traditional masculine role. I just have this weird feeling that like Justin, you expect it to be like woke trash. Joel's going to go good again and he's going to be strong and yes, they'll have like the woman with the side shaved cut hair and like, you know, whatever, but like when you want to appeal to the masses, the masses don't like that crap. Women like strong men. Men like strong men. Men like beautiful women. Women like beautiful women. This is like a marketing, my background's in marketing. This is a actual fact of marketing. Like beautiful people and average people and ugly people all prefer to watch and look at beautiful people, period. And so it's like when you see commercials on TV and it's like, oh, here's a fat dude wearing some underwear. I'm a fat dude. I buy underwear. I don't want to see it. You're like, it's not selling underwear to me. So who's that for? You know, it's like, or Gillette running commercials. Remember that like, ha, Gillette. Like there was this commercial that everyone memed on. It was like a year ago. It's toxic masculinity stuff, right? Yeah. They had the one where like the two guys are like outside of a barbershop, a white guy and a black guy and like a woman walks by and the guy's like, hey, what's up? Chicky and the guys are like, bro, bro. Like what the first of all, that never would have happened. And second of all, this whole cat call culture. Like I remember when they were pushing that to like, oh, it's just so difficult being a woman. All these men are just complimenting me. I'll get out of here. Like you love it. You love it. Before we wrap up, it's getting almost an hour now. I do want to get your take on free speech. You've been pretty outspoken about this. Even recently with the C-Tuber going down with 10 million subscribers. I forget the name, AXR or something. MXR, yeah. But you've been speaking out a thing about free speech for a while using your platforms and using your channel, which I appreciate big time. I tried to do the same using my little Twitter and my YouTube channel just quite a bit bigger. But it's dark time. So what are your thoughts on free speech? Like for example, should YouTube take like a gab approach? Is that your view on free speech with YouTube? And can you expand on it? Sure. YouTube cannot take a gab approach because of the system that they're built upon. They can't re-go back and it's just not possible. It's a dinosaur platform. The future is like in crypto and off-platform funding that gab will be able to do. I don't like Torba at all, but his product is still the best in terms of free speech. The issue, the obstacle to free speech on the internet is one that is often misunderstood by free speech absolutists. They're always like, well, I went on your platform and I couldn't say the N words, so it's not free speech. Well, yeah, okay, but the problem is you can start a website, but if you let people go and talk all this crazy stuff on it, your web host is gonna shut you down. Got your own hosting? Well, then we saw GoDaddy retract people's domain names. There's just too many corporations that own too much of it for any real free speech utopia to exist. However, you can get pretty dang close and you can have clear rules and you can enforce them equally, which is like, I think this is, if I could give any advice to these new social media companies that are coming up and they continue to get it wrong, like Parler keeps calling itself a free speech platform. It's not, it can't be, it cannot be, but what they should be saying is we have a very clear set of rules, here they are, and we enforce them regardless of the side of the aisle you're on. And that would be literally all I want. You know, like, okay, I can't say the N word on your platform, I'll live. But like, what I don't like is I say something and somebody else says something and they're a leftist and they don't get in trouble and I get banned. Like, that's all I think people really want. There is a small subset of people that are like, you know, I want to be able to say whatever I want on your platform and I used to get annoyed by them, but I actually think they just don't understand how it works, like, you have to pay for internet. And you know what'll happen? There's New York Times will write some article, like they did with 4chan and like they did with Gab, they'll write some article and say, well, look where they're hosted. And then remember, they did that to Parler. Microsoft Azure was, I think they were on Azure. And like, and then, so they're hosting company just said, meh, you're gone. Infowars almost went down when Alex Jones got banned years ago. They went up to his domain even. He eventually got through it, but barely. Yeah, right. I think it's, it's even like banned.tv now too, right? Or no, that's somebody else. Banned by video. He owns that, I think. Yeah, but like, right. So it's like, okay, you just don't understand the way that the system is built. And then you could say, well, we need a new internet. Internet, like Styx talks about that. Like, we need an internet two or two. I don't know what that even looks like. But in the reality is, I think the 75 people that are angry that they can't like, spam the N word, they can just fuck off. Like, it's just not gonna happen. But I think that we could get a lot closer than what we are. YouTube will never be there. YouTube, because of the way that they're funded. They're funded through advertising dollars exclusively. And most years, YouTube loses money. All YouTube is. So like, here's some like, it's semi-technical, but I think most people easily be able to understand it. Do you know why Google, why Android has phones? It's to serve Google ads. That is the only reason Google got into cell phones. The reason Google owns YouTube is to serve Google ads. And so these are, they buy platforms so that they can serve ads. They don't care about YouTube. They don't care about cell phones. They care about more avenues to serve their ads. And if you, in like, their advertisers are everything. So like YouTube is incapable of standing for free speech. Even Spotify, I believe will eventually fold. I think that like, they will eventually get rid of Joe Rogan or they won't renew his contract or something. And the only reason they can't is he, I mean, he's got 15 million people that followed him there that are paying 10 bucks a month. And they will just follow him somewhere else. So like, they have to decide, like they could literally implode if they fold. I'm surprised they've lasted as long as they have. But if Joe Rogan keeps talking about the coof, they're gonna continue to get pressure and they'll eventually fold because. What do you think about companies like Rumble? Do you think they're heading in the right direction with this stuff? Rumble's gonna be publicly traded. What does that tell you? Yeah, they just got funding too from Peter Thiel, who generally I like, but I don't know. Yeah, but what they're gonna be on the, aren't they gonna be publicly traded, aren't they? On the NASDAQ? I'm not sure. I know they're moving the headquarters to Florida. They're in the process of that out of Canada, which is good. But I don't know, I know the owner too, the founder, Chris Pavlowski or something. I think he owns most of it. Yeah, I think that they are on the NASDAQ. Like they do have hate speech rules, for example, they added, I think, recently. But I don't think that, yeah, to be on the app stores, they'll just kick you off if you don't. But I wonder if they just added that to kind of like play along and then they can enforce it mildly or fairly or equally and just not really do much with it? Yeah, I think that their enforcement thus far has been fine. Like you can look at like Parler, the whole like Nick Fuentes thing. I don't care for Nick, but the fact that they like pre-band them was a bad look. They mean getter. I'm sorry, getter, correct, yeah, getter. And getter is also sus, very sus. It's promoted by conservative ink. Suddenly, everyone like Jack and Mike and Candace Owens like get on getter all on the same day on the same minutes of it. What a coincidence. Like I don't believe, and that's why like making friends in the space isn't important to me because you just can't call this stuff out. If you like, I'm not saying Jack is on the payroll, I'm just saying Jack's probably on the payroll. You know, like there's something, you know, it's astroturfed. Why did Candace Owens promote getter? It's absolutely not a free speech platform. And then they're all calling it that. Jack, Mike, Candace Owens. Well, even Tim Pool walked all over the CEO. He went on the show. And Tim's a baby, like Tim's a teddy bear. And he killed him, like, and that was, I was really proud of Tim there. Like I was like, thank you. Like getter is not, but here's the thing. If they would just never have called themselves a free speech platform and just called themselves an alternative to Twitter, nobody would have cared. But when you say your free speech, then everyone's gonna come in with their little ice picks and poke holes all over your ship and they're gonna, and people are gonna hate you. And then you'll find out, oh, you don't let this guy on, you don't let that guy on. I can't say this word. I can't say that word. But what about free speech? And it's a self, it's a total unforced error. Just don't call yourself free speech. Call yourself, you know, a fair platform that isn't Twitter. Like my interactions on Gitter are triple what they are on Twitter. And I have half as a fourth as many followers. That's what it's like to not be shadow banned. Yep. People say that about my account. They, when I tweet, they can't even find my tweets. I hardly ever see them. Yeah. And they, and then like, I remember when Parler blew up overnight, I think I had like 180,000 followers on there overnight. That's more than I have. I've built on Twitter in 10 years. And then I would like tweet something out and it would get like a 4,000 likes. I'm like, oh my God. Like my viewers can actually see what I'm, so like, if people understood what people actually want on these platforms, instead of grifting off conservative ink and grifting for free speech ink, they would succeed. So anyway, YouTube is lost. No true free speech can really exist in this space. Think that it has to for us to have a viable alternative. I guess this is my position, if that makes sense. What do you have any opinions on Trump's new platform coming out, Truth Social? Horrible. It'll be horrible. Yeah. It has hate speech rules. It has all the same corporate bull and like, you know, and like- Trying to make it family friendly, I think it's the terminology they're using. That's correct. I've never seen that before. It's supposed to be family friendly. So what is it for? It's for his 18 million, 19 million hardcore base who will join it. I'll be on there. Of course I'll be on there. I'm on Gatter. I'm on Gab. I'm everywhere because I, you know, I'm just trying to get the message out. I don't care about Gator's hypocrisy. I care about reaching their users. And then when they watch my videos and I talk about it, then they'll know. Like this- Do you have a tool that's posting to all these platforms for you? Because you're really good at posting everywhere. It's me. Oh, is you personally doing it? Okay. Yeah, it's nice. There are softwares like Hootsuite and like, it's been clear stuff, but they don't work with Gab and Parler and stuff. So what I do is I write the tweet, copy it, and then I have a separate tab open on a different monitor where Gab and Parler are, or Gator and stuff. And so I copy, paste, paste, paste, and then, you know, and then some of them like mines will port your tweets and stuff like that. So- I do that, but I stopped doing it a while ago. I don't know why. Yeah, I think there was an API thing between Twitter where they were probably just like, no, you have like people that say the N word on your platform, so we're not gonna give you access. I'm assuming that's what it was. But like, I have zero faith in Trump's platform, but if Trump's on it and he's active, it will be bigger than Gator, Parler and Gab ever were. All he has to do is use the damn thing. Like, I think people told me that this Kushner guy, when he got suspended off Twitter, he could have changed the game forever by joining Gab or Parler or whatever, but they told him not to. It's not a lie, yeah, I told him not to, yeah. Yeah, so like, is that Jared Kushner? Is that- Yeah, it's a solemn. Yeah. Why? I, idiot. You know, idiot. He had how many million followers on Twitter? Like, 40 million? 90 million. Yeah, it was 90. So like, and first of all, he would have brought all of his fans plus all of his haters. He would have made Gab or Parler or whoever immediately a legitimate competitor for Twitter, like overnight. I think the reason he didn't is because he wanted to launch his own. And I think they were planning that. But it's been two years. Like, he could have, you know, he could just move when he, you know what I mean? Like, you know, all his followers. I could understand from a business perspective why you wouldn't do it, but then you're making a business decision over, you know, wanting to reach your voters, which is not, you know, is not smart. But I understand from a business perspective, but truth social, I mean, anything, any competitor is good. And, but Trump does have a base of like, that will probably want family friendly, no porn. Even people say that about Gatter, I think. They're like, oh, it can't post porn. No, that's a gap. I can't post porn there. Like, there's a million sites for porn. Like, I don't care about, including Twitter, yeah. But I don't care about that. You know, like this is the problem when you try to appeal to like, when you call yourself free speech platform, like there's plenty of places for porn. You can go on Jack Murphy's, you know, get paid or whatever. But like, and there's plenty of places to go spot the N word if that's what you want. But there are very few places where people can have an unshadowed band, like interaction, talking about political issues or important issues. There's literally zero. Yeah. You know what, actually, I want to recommend to you, man, something before we wrap up the show. I think in my opinion, some of my friends know this too with smaller channels, the YouTube community posts feature that they added a couple years ago. I think that's mostly unthrottled on shadow band kind of stuff. They leave it alone. Probably because they don't have any, they're adding ads on it. The engagement, it gets huge, like crazy. That's actually, that's a really good point. You're 100% right about that. I agree with you. Because I see like, I don't use it, but I see like my fellow YouTubers who have like maybe like 70 or 80,000 subscribers and they do community posts and they'll get like 5,000 likes on it. I'm like, whoa. Dude, I can post a tweet. It'll get five likes on my Twitter with 11,000 people. I can screenshot it, dump it on the community post, literally 30 seconds later, gets 5,000 likes in a day. In a day. Now that the follower count is not equal, but like it's insane. So I love it. It's fun. That's a very valid tip. I forget about that a lot, but you're right. The community posts. There are stories too, man. YouTube's got stories when you got a big channel. It's limited to 10,000 minimum subscribers right now, but the stories feature works good too. Well, and if you do, the thing with stories is if you use YouTube mobile, it takes up a ton of landscape on your homepage. Like I see the stories thing, like it shows me like one row of videos and then it's stories every time. And it's like the same three people who are actually utilizing it. So yeah, good point. Good point. Yeah, those are actually good tips. I appreciate that. Not that I didn't expect good tips from you, but... Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I'm still mostly on YouTube. Unfortunately, like we're set up everywhere. Odyssey, BitShoot, Rumble recently, which they've been actually really helpful for support. Odyssey too, BitShoot was the most like slow stuff. BitShoot's hard. They've got like two guys, you know? But you're right. Rumble is very good that their CEO is responsive and honestly, so is Odyssey, yeah. Yep, but still my company's mostly on YouTube by mile. So I'm trying to get off of that because now it was a real reality check when YouTube took like $11,000 for me and kicked us out of the partner program with no warning. You always know that could happen, but you always think you can get a strike first or a warning or something. You can see it, yeah. And they don't do that anymore. Now it's just like the Gulag, man. They just like bullet to the head, you're done. And we won. And they don't care. Yeah, they don't care. Even when you have a huge channel, I mean, my channel is 300,000, some thousand, that's cool. That's big. You're probably in the top 5% of the entire YouTube space. It's not like your channel's small. But even the 2 million guy, he got nuked. I mean, I thought over a million they'd leave you alone or be a lot more careful with it. Obviously not even that's true. Like it used to be that way, I think. They used to even help me, man. Our channel back in the day, I bitched to Google for like six months. It took forever, but they finally did it. They had a Google engineer custom code, our URL, to be youtube.com slash 21. We have a two digit extension on YouTube. You can just type that into any browser and it pulls up. And that was in 2016. They were still really responsive and helpful and partner managers and all that crap. That's all gone now. They don't do that anymore. No, I mean, I have a million subs and I don't, I still have to do the same thing everyone else does, bitch on Twitter. And then I have to talk to the bot and it's really scary. That's why like, you know, even though I have a big channel, like I try, I have to be careful about how often I shill it. But like my subscribers are super important to me. Like people like I join as a member. I'm like, that's awesome, but it would be awesomer if you left YouTube and you backed me there. Because like, if I get yeeted, like that's my only source of income. I'm happy to continue to publish, to Bitshoot and Odyssey and Rumble, but let's be honest, there's zero money there. And hopefully that won't always be the case, but you know, there just isn't. And that's a real fear. I said that yesterday in my video about it. And that's the truth. The first thing I do every morning when I wake up is check to make sure my channel's still there. That's no way to live. Yeah, it's like being in an abusive relationship or walking on eggshells. I know you feel it sucks. Yeah, I roll over, I check my YouTube email address to see if there's bad news in there. And then I open my dashboard every day. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Dude, my heart sank. When I got that email from YouTube, that notification, my heart sank, man, it sucked. Like I really love YouTube. And even though it's far from perfect since Susan came in, like I kind of grew up with it. You know, in the 2000s and early 2010s. And to see them attack me like that personally, like my channel, what I love, it's a major part of my business. It just really sucked, man. Like, huge gut check. Yeah, yeah, it's why someone in chat points out like Jeremy spends frugally, I do. It's why like I have had, I mean, like I have had some monster months on YouTube, like big money. And I put it in the bank. Then you buy your wife an airplane too though. Yeah, but it's not a lear jet. I just bought an airplane, no problems. This is an airplane. Hey, my wife works too. Yeah, my wife works. And her plane was like 70,000. It wasn't like millions of dollars, you know? I mean, that's not nothing, but it's not, you know. Well dude, someone was bitching at me because we still lost, we're gonna get our 11,000 back in a few weeks that they took. So we're gonna get that back. But we still lost about four and a half, $5,000 with no ads for running for two weeks. And that money is gone. And someone's like, oh, why you bitching about $5,000? I'm like, dude, I would bitch about $5. You know, cheap I am. Like if I lose $5 in the wash and I forget about it and then I find it six months later, I'm like, fuck, there's my five bucks. Yeah. And I'm lucky I even got that back. You know, I could have lost it on the street, but $5, man, cheap motherfucker. Yeah, I don't... Well, cause this game is like, you know, you have ups, you have downs, but it's like when I see these YouTubers, that are like hood rich all the time and flexing, I'm like, you're gonna be broke. You're gonna be 35 years old, 40 years old, and you're gonna be fucking broke. Fresh and fit, dude. And that's coming for them, 100%. Yeah, they're spending it as fast as they can make it. And like, you're just gonna, you're gonna, you know, look at those guys. Well, there's innumerable examples. Like very few of these YouTubers that blow up who don't have to grind, you know, they blow up, they piss it all the way. And like, that's it. And then you see them streaming on Twitch for like 200 people five years later. And they're like, desperately chasing that, you know, and it's save your money, kids. And that, by the way, that's, I don't care what you do for a living. Money is power, money is freedom. And I don't care if you can only put a few bucks a week in the bank, you know, if you choose to like go out last, or, you know, you can buy, you wanna enjoy your energy drinks? Fine, don't buy it from the gas station, buy them in bulk, save a dollar each, you wanna have your vices, I'm not saying you can't, but I'm saying like, you know, even if you're like, I wanna smoke, fine, buy cartons from a smoke shop instead of at the, you can find ways to still enjoy life and enjoy vices and put money away and be smart and not end up like, you know, MC Hammer and all these people who go broke. Look at the Brittany Renner chick. She got knocked up by the NBA player. He's paying $200,000 a month and child support for 18 years. He ain't gonna last that long. Good luck getting it fixed. They don't care a lot of the time, the family court, they just ignore when trying to recheck your income and stuff, they don't care. Well, he'd be better off just paying around one time, 9 million, or whatever it is, 18 years, 200,000, it's a 3.6 million. Find a way to pay her out and then, you know, it's 200,000 a month. Oh, a month. It's a month, man. It's a month, it's crazy. That's a couple million a year. That's $36 million or something, it's crazy. You see a lot of these idiot NBA players. And they get, these Instagram models trick them and they're like, oh, I'm not. And then like, boom, that's their meal ticket. They don't like these guys, they don't like them. They're just like, oh, I'll never have to work again. There's all the stories of NBA players back in the 2000s. The NBA put out an official notice that women were banging them, digging condoms out of the trash and stuffing it inside them just to get that check, man. I don't, I actually, I have a little like, yes, it's devious, but like, bro, you control your dick, man. Like, you do that. Like, you see all these young bucks and they're hanging out with Instagram models and then randomly two months later, they're pregnant and it's like, hope it was worth it. You know, that's why- With Russian Fit, I think that's what's gonna happen. Like they had the, they had pseudo Me Too allegations coming in. They had this Harvey Weinstein crap going on. Some of which is probably legit. They're blowing money left and right. They're blowing money, particularly on these girls that they're simping for, that they tell dudes not to simp for and they do it on video. It's insane. They're buying girls left and right, all these like $200 meals and shit. It's like, this is so stupid. Well, and they, it'll be funny as, exactly. Like they don't, they don't, they will be broke. They don't, they don't strike me as people that save their money. There's a reason. If you look at some of the NBA's top players, okay, like Shaquille O'Neal, not Shaquille O'Neal, like LeBron or even Yannis, Hunter DiCumpo from the Bucks, they're with the same girls that they were with in high school. And like, I see Yannis' wife, I'm like, I mean, she's, you know, it's just, you expect them to be like, you know, super, super model hot and all. She's just like a regular looking chick, good looking woman, but you know, what he's been with her since before he got a $200 million contract. Like there's just, you have to, like I, these NBA dudes are out there on the prowl, man. They're just getting took everywhere. And same thing will happen to these YouTubers. The fresh and fit guys will knock someone up and they, and, you know, they'll take all their money and then, and then they'll- Or they're going to get me too to get a lawsuit, you know, oh, hush money and kind of shit. Like something stupid like that's going to happen because they're both emotionally immature and unstable. And it's really obvious. Well, I will say people have emailed me alleging that they like bring in these gas and they try to, they have alleged that there's some sort of expectation for being on the show, we'll just say it that way. And like somebody, I mean, I don't know why they're emailing that to me, but I'm sure they're emailing it to someone else. Somebody like Abba and Preach, who hate them, probably, you know, might put that out there and say like, hey, you know, again, same like a man, a man controls her own dick. These women don't have to sleep with them. There's some people have agency, but that can both, that can be true and it could also financially ruin them too. I'll wait and see and I'm ready to make more memes when it all comes down. You think YouTube's going to keep them monetized if they get me tooed? No. I'm surprised even with, they've had a couple of guns pulled on the show live. I'm surprised they're still on YouTube at all at that rate. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they are walking a fine, fine line and then Tim brought them on and didn't know anything about their riff. That was so disappointing. Oh, they came on there. Oh no, he didn't catch them on the DMCA thing. Yeah, he did. He did okay. There was a little harsh on him for that. Yeah, like he was like, no, that's not how DMCA works. And they're like, oh, well, all right. I think they're liable to get sued right now. They intentionally and admitted it on video weaponizing the copyright strike system for defamation, alleged defamation and liable, which, you know, if you want to sue for that, good for you. Good luck, by the way. YouTube can terminate your channel for that and they tell you you're legally liable. I don't know what the, there's specific like federal rules and that shit. And you could definitely get sued for that and they should be. And had they struck me, I would do that right now. I already have one lawsuit we're doing against another YouTube right now and I would file more if they fuck around like that. Yeah, that's some, and what people forget is about lawsuits. They are very expensive. I had a lawsuit like three years ago that I slam dunk one, never even went to trial. It still cost me like 60 grand, damn. So like, you know, like I bankrupt the guy just in legal fees, but I still had to spend that money. So fuck around, you know, these guys are going to get sued and it's going to be expensive and they're going to lose. So like, you know, there's just, these dudes are out in front of their skis, so to speak, and it's going to catch up to them almost certainly. Yeah, they live in La La Land, man. It's a sick, but good luck for them, man. They live in Florida and I think it's, I think it's actually one of the reasons they didn't fuck with me. I think guys, I could take them to state court a lot easier and faster. There's other, everyone else have to do federal court, which is even more expensive than serious. Well, and the threshold is much higher. You know, you need to have like at least, I was like half a million dollars in damage or something. It was like, It's higher. You know, it has to be huge. Yeah. Our things in state court right now, it's going pretty well. It's a non compete too. So it's a lot simpler, not defamation and all this other stuff that's more complicated on our threshold. But hey, man, I really appreciate your time. It's coming up at about an hour and a half. I'm going to let you go. All right, cool. Thanks for having me. And remember to join the, join the Reminal Order to learn how to be a man. Alpha Ultra, Apex alpha male. Super alpha gigachat. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I really appreciate it. Yeah, man, you're welcome back anytime and talk to you soon. Everyone watching, make sure you go to thequartering.com, go to his website, forget everything else. Go to his website at thequartering.com and from there you can subfollow him and everything. Twitch, YouTube, Bitshoot, Twitter, Odyssey, Rumble. Got these platforms. Rumble is my favorite right now that I'm written for but Odyssey is cool too. And Bitshoot for video. He's also on iTunes, Spotify, like he's everywhere. Follow him. And once again, appreciate your time and everything you've done to help the Mansphere roasting these ultra mega frauds, fraud zillas. Yeah. Well, keep me in the loop if I can, if there's another one because it was a lot of fun for me. Yeah, sounds good, man. Thanks and everyone else tuning in. See you guys next week. Peace out.