 Welcome to vlog Thursday Tom and his backyard edition because it's beautiful out I love the fall and I thought hey my backyard seems like a great place to be right now So unfortunately, it doesn't lead to the best lighting conditions, but hey, whatever How's the audio? There's the first in probably more important part is that the audio is working Get my phone because it's making noise Yeah, did it do All right, I just had to turn my phone off there we go and message a friend a smart-ass comment So I'm gonna start using these a lot more and I need to do a lot more on-site videos and which is why I bought this DGI system Which works really well, so that's that but um How was the conference to journey thing from it? Yeah, that's what I got to talk about in That's also why vlog Thursday didn't happen on Thursday. I was just You know Really having a great time with the ninja they call it the cab meeting Well, I forgot what cab stands for customers It it's a meeting with other MSPs to talk about the future of the product. It's the it's an event It's like an advisory board that I was invited to it's not a public event So I can't talk about and you agree to an NDA because they're talking about the future roadmaps What features they have they turned on more beta features for us which would be a weird predicament I need to ask the people at ninja one a question about this. I now can't do an updated demo easily without making sure I don't Share some of the things we're testing But nonetheless, I will do some updated videos. I'm positive. They could spin up a demo account for me That doesn't have things turned on so we can just talk about it But why was I there? What is that event and let me describe that a little bit further? I I Basically Oh, this oh quickly for the video setup. We'll get this out of the way. These are DGA microphones They were great. I've got the little I Only know it by its common name, which is called a dead cat. That's what the fuzzy thing is that keeps the wind noise down But it's got the fuzzy thing on it and I'm in my backyard and I'm using my new Dell laptop I don't know. I'm not a big laptop review guy Maybe I'll do review on this because I am running Linux on this laptop and I really like it It runs Linux well and the camera is not bad if I do it like this But the Sun is in a different position than when I started so when I started the Sun was Down further now. It's lighting up my backyard and coming over my house because this is my house well, this is my back of the house and This is my backyard and it's I love the fall I just don't want to do you're looking you guys get any videos out of time in the fall because I just want to sit Outside all the time, but I'm doing this one outside because I thought I was gonna do it Outside so I'm just using the camera on my laptop. So it's not amazing. I was not gonna go drag stuff from my studio in my basement Just to do the videos back to the Ninja one thing. I want to get this out of the way So I'm invited with a lot of other MSPs We have a great discussion about the road map of the product where it's going where they are Things like that. It's just awesome and my wife had a good question I was in Austin, Texas for three days for this event Well, even technically one day, but I came in early the first day hung out with some of the Ninja people has a great conversations I wanted to meet a lot of them and then the second day was just dedicated to And they just don't have enough time for how many cool things they're doing And all the discussion we had so that went really well but basically it's a whole conversation around the future of the product what we can test and You know how we want to see this and all the little nuances of it and my wife Can it's just be a zoom meeting, you know, can't you just talk that way it as much as I'm a person who keeps wanting to believe that putting a keyboard between me and other people is adequate having a Video conference will not change the nuance of human interaction. It does it does dramatically You have a richer experience with them direct so anyone can do a webinar and Give you hey, here's the new cool things we're doing with this and that Cool, but what really came out of it is the conversations is of me sitting with the CEO Me sitting with some of the other project managers and not just knowing what they're doing but getting to know them personally getting to understand the passion that drives them and Understanding like how they care about the product. They don't care like oh We're gonna deliver this new feature in Q3 or whatever that might be your standard deliverables So those are cool on paper But understanding like how they're thinking about it how they look at it and that little, you know sit down At an office sit down actually some of these conversations happened at a restaurant They set up a really nice gathering You know how you have it like an event venue at the back of a restaurant And it's kind of bounced from people to people you get their history you get their stories Matter of fact, we had a lot of fun sharing origin stories with each other How we got places and things like that you don't want that on zoom because some things are like all right You kind of look around you're like, I don't know if any of this is under, you know It's past the statute of limitations, but this is what went on at this company I work for and it was really shady and this is what I learned from it like those are funny stories That made me connect with people better and I always have a hard time Like I have a lot of conversations but really connecting with people is not easy But the tech people are easier for me to kick with because we have common stories. So it was definitely um A lot they're doing so much there that gave me I have so much better Feel for the product now than I did like I was positive. I'm using it for and we're growing with them Going further Having that meeting with them and I'll do some debriefs where I actually get technical I'll even bring some of them on because there's things we can talk about There's things that have been released even since I did my review video of it And we can probably put some of it together and I even was talking to them at like when you want to talk about passion around security Meeting with people and talking about how they deliver security the challenges you have and how you scale a company to the Scale they're doing it is some really interesting things that not everybody gets to do Even talking to people about, you know, the way you develop software the way you think about project teams um, and the functional things you do Might be some interesting video content because not everybody gets a peek behind the scenes at a company at that scale I mean they have over 600 employees There's just a lot of things going on at ninja and yeah, they're you know, that's a lot to take in And it was fun. I really learned a lot. I was excited and I'm super stoked for all the things They have coming we got to turn a lot of new things on our dashboard because we right away We're trying things out And the reason they don't make these public is because a lot of people are very hyper critical of things And this sucks. I don't like where you're going with this and versus they look for people the other msp The other users of ninja that were there, you know, we're all people who want to put together very constructive well thought out feedback of how to improve the product because once you really Use a product that is deeply embedded in your business process You are tied to their success And you really want to make sure they're doing everything right. So it's just really you know, um a lot to Go back and forth with to make sure you're doing things in a way that doesn't hinder doesn't create noise doesn't Do anything but work on a positive forward motion with with the company's kind of how I look at it that way And I really got that feeling from being there for a couple days. That's where everything was going I had some cool ideas Some were not cool But this is also it's fun. You always think, you know, the right thing and some ideas were not cool Some ideas were cool. And when you talk directly with people who have to develop them They're going to let you know if they're cool or not cool ideas or if they're I kind of joked I said these some of our tom features some of our features I think will help the majority they always have to focus on things that are going to help the majority Almost tom's idea is just something the majority didn't see and didn't think to do it that way. So Um, yeah, that was a lot of the conversation it went on, but it was awesome So everything was like, um, just Yeah, oh, I'm super positive experience and as much as I wanted to just stop and do the vlog Thursday thing I'm like, I didn't want to take away from like the constant and things got a little behind schedule That's why I also I assume they would because as soon as I seen things in the morning Taking a little longer because of the discussion Uh, I was like, okay This is probably going to go a little longer than they said so I can't really schedule my vlog And it was just a roller coaster of non-stop good conversation Which I you know, hey once I flew all the way down Austin, Texas I love all my youtube followers. So I'm like, I'm gonna have to get a little delay You have to live without me on thursdays, which some people seem to like me on saturdays anyways Because you know, it's earlier for them people aren't at work. They don't have to disrupt their work day So here I am on vlog thursday doing it on saturdays. I have a commitment to do at least one live stream a week So i'm doing it now Yeah, I see people saying and I believe this, you know Virtual meetings cannot replace the informal contact between people just like you said those Worst stories generate new insights into problems for sure. Um, let me get the camera point it up Why it looks does it look better like there you go It's not I had I had my laptop on a box, but it's now Backed on the floor I should set something up out here make this a little better. So I don't know if uh engineers are arbitrary of cool see google Yeah, there's um I don't know. I like the uh engineering team there. They were some super cool people great stories You know, Austin was an interesting city. I thought that was kind of cool. Oh, let me get something out of the way You know, where am I going to be? This is a thing I've been trying to do at the very beginning I'm sat nine minutes in so I guess I could say this I will be at it nation connect 2022. I'll be at um the acronis cyberfit I don't have the dates pulled up in front of you google it nation connect 2022 You it's the first result. You can't miss the time for it. So um, yes Absolutely there say hi to me. Um, I know there's at least a handful of you that follow me because of how many people I met Uh gurkhan was awesome. Um for meeting people. Let me get these comments off. Oh, dear. I forgot. This is a touchscreen I have a dell ins from is it called a flip? I don't know the screen flips on it. So I think they call it a flip or something Um, I don't know but I can touch the screen. So I'm happy All right. Is any other questions in here? Are we hiring? Um Not exactly at the moment, but yeah, I feel a lot of we have a thing I think if you go to our high-risk page or something about jobs on there Um, I don't know maybe one day I'll set up a career page. We're I'll figure that out I'm not we're we're not trying to hire a bunch of people right now. So So let's go ahead. You gotta find let me move That out of my way so I can sit. Oh, there we go. That's way easier It was kind of tippy top because I had one of those laptop things Ninja's been impressive especially the response uh to slower-waints flight chamber ability. They Uh got out here and laid out it. Yeah um The my overall though, uh, you know, someone asked the other uh, someone asked my forums this and you know, I should pull up my forums It's a good question. So where's forums? And then we got to share the tab come on This is gonna be easier to do Sorry people watching my laptop flop all over the place So let me go to the latest here. I'm gonna hit share screen And we're gonna have something more than just me on the screen That you put it on there All right, I can click share screen Once I present the screen it's a lot easier This is over in my forums. This is people asking the question of do you need an rmm? This question comes up all the time, you know If you have an online separate local remote access ab both with an ab dashboard windows patching Do you really need our own too? Let's just say windows patching is uh garbage and Yes, if windows patching worked I so this is actually a topic that I didn't really have time to discuss with the people at ninja They offer rmm for the linux. I don't use it for that because I don't they were talking about linux patching I'm like linux patches itself Really really well We in the linux world do not have discussions on How do we hold back patches because it's a disaster? It's going to destroy the system Microsoft on the other hand has patches that don't work break the system don't run or my favorite was all the exchange patches The first time around they were wrong the next time you're around they were Right, but you may apply them, but then they don't actually work even though they say they're applied The reality is your rmm has to wrestle with the microsoft beast if we didn't have the microsoft monopoly that exists today We could probably do things in a better way But we have to deal with the reality we have And the reality we have is microsoft has the majority of the desktop if you work in the business support world Depending, you know, I would say it's small business to mid market and even some of the well Obviously a lot of large enterprises these are toolings you need to Get things done at scale and that was my answer for it and it just comes down to microsoft being garbage And having no consequences. So, you know, I this was my reply in my forums Was it really depends if you want to scale your company with people or tools that make it easier? We're using ninja one and have everything integrated into one dashboard allows us to manage over 70 separate companies without As large of a staff is doing things manually And the reason they're all separate companies is as you get into them each company unless you're working a single vertical They have different policies. They have different rules. They have different times They are different time zones in my case because we manage companies remotely across um All the different areas of the united states, you know, they're not just here in detroit So you have to come up with things that are customized to those companies monitor all of them And I've seen people there's a couple of videos that are around for people like bypassing Or this is how you run a business without rmm. They just keep throwing people at it. And I'm like I mean, that's cool. But people aren't I know someone asked for hiring but generally speaking people are not easy to find um scaled people I should say To do all these things. So you kind of have to have something such as tooling to make that easier This is the same thing with uh security monitoring at scale My framework for security team for a very large company. How do they do it? They have a lot of tooling because they manage like 200 000 endpoints in the security thereof. So there's lots there um Oh, thank you very much for donation. You love the t-shirt designs. I have some fun ones coming Um, I was reminded of one. We were talking about a security incident. Um, we had done And some of their systems weren't hacked because they were using novell So where you have these shirts that we didn't publish yet called security through antiquity with a typewriter on it I just thought it was funny Um, so yeah, there's probably some new shirts coming soon. Um, but yes, thank you Much appreciated much appreciate the donation Make sure set my coffee all the way down So I don't uh spill it on me Have you used or heard of comic backups? Thought you have yes, we heard of them We thought they were pretty cool. Um But there was a few things we didn't like with the way the api keys were handled when you were doing deployments on there Uh, I don't remember the exact notes because eric is my backup expert one of my employees And um, but let me pull up I can pull up comment backup. So yeah Here's some people. I don't think it was a bad product. Uh, it's pretty cool because it's got the ability to host it I didn't think I'd like using a touchscreen on my computer, but it's pretty cool But um, yeah comment backup. It's I think it's just what is it here the url is uh Oh man, now I hate a touchscreen. Just goofed up my screen. Here we go Comment backup.com. It's a neat backup tool. It hasn't been able to self host. I think it's pretty neat. Um I but when it comes to doing things at scale their dashboard was not the most helpful Uh for what we do and just the vault once we got to the volume of companies we did we didn't find it as uh usable for that um, so yeah, that's That's where things are right now Not a terrible product to check it out if you want Um, it's fall your favorite season because you love the outside views and all the leaves Yeah, that's I mean look at this Look at all those leaves. That's just awesome. Not good. I don't know why the video skipped for a second Apparently if Tom will it moves his computer too much But yes the fall colors and the trees I can have you guys just look at the trees User friendly is key that is for sure. Um If things are not user friendly or Scalable we think a lot about this. This is a big discussion you have Um When it comes to you know, with the team at ninja and things like that is about how UI usability how you do things at scale? Um, and when I say things at scale There's a different use case Tom has then the ninja people when they see scale because the other conversation You have with their engineers of how do you scale a company to the scale that they operate at is? You know, they have like, I don't know. It's 10. They even on their website like 10 000 customers and millions and millions of end points You know, I'm talking about just how you know, we're having the discussion. How do I manage to? Uh, do it support for 70 companies? Um, or in a lot of those are co-managed So we're working internal with teams policies and differences between what they have Think about that at a different level when you are a even larger company you want to scale and some services don't just scale easily like that So Although it was your forum post awesome Uh, what's your prediction on availability and pricing of network switches coming back to normal? Um, it will happen I just don't know when but I we're starting to see you supply chains Pick up a little bit I actually follow if you if you're into Economics at all which are interesting to me economics and tech and the convergence of the two I follow scott galloway and he's Economics professor has a lot of interesting things wrote several books Uh, it does a lot of consulting but he's got a lot of I he's got a lot of good reasons He says that things are looking up when it comes to Fixing some of the inflation problems fixing some of the supply chain problems. So I think things are actually Going to be a lot better soon Um It's gonna it takes time, but they've ramped up the production The demand is there and companies are good at figuring out how to meet that demand The supply chain was disrupted because we realized of our dependence on two small and number of suppliers That has been remedied, but you can't remedy it immediately. It takes time It's just like when people say manufacturing is coming back to the u.s Yeah, cool. If I said it today building a factory is a several year build out. I actually met with a, um Manufacturer they're finishing their building. They've been working on it for the last couple years Uh to build their new fab facility here in michigan It takes that long to engineer it. I mean, I talked to one of the high-level engineers met him at a bar Randomly talk about what he did, but you know, the challenges of building that are really technical and really difficult. So, uh Once this plant gets online, which is going to be not till next year when they can start producing chips at volume Uh, it it it'll change the game But not until they do it at volume. So What's the next thing computer networking hardware to get you say? Well, nothing really in the computer networking and hardware gets me excited. Um Is much like I really like the high density servers in the hardware The networking is probably the part that gets me less excited networking is networking cool that we're getting faster networks. Um But what I see the the virtualization technology and the condensing of servers Uh, when they'll just hit a video on the new super micro server or I love the video title because I think he's right One u is dead. We're not going to do one u servers Why would be the engineering problems with one u servers is the smaller fans The small fans can't move the volume of air So it's hard to get good air cooling a two u system has better physics for that And he really highlights that because now we have two separate nodes and one two u chassis So things like that, uh where we get higher density compute is going to be Really pushing and leveling up the game. We can get the high density uh High density compute in a small two u Um system and works really well Gravity zone includes patching I don't know any large msp. I learned this from being there too that doesn't hate gravity zone and thinks it's uh problematic product so We didn't really spend time evaluating it But we know a lot of people that move from it and move to the things we use which is ninja one and sento one and they um They said it's substantially better. I just I don't have firsthand experience to to really dive into why but These are a lot of big msp's with like, I don't know one guy had six thousand end points So I think they've tested it well enough um, but I don't know that's I I suppose things they didn't know how bad it was until they tried something else and that's actually a very frequent problem You would run into Still on pop o s. Yes definitely on uh Pop o s works great Really happy with it. No complaints about um it well there is a problem with the new uh chip set in this system um And linux in general, but it's not a del problem. It's specifically in a bunch of problem But there's I have some mitigations. It has to do with the way it consumes some it consumes more than the normal amount of power When sleeping so minor problem doesn't bother me that much, but uh this del laptop, which is like a del inspiron Flip or something like that that it's called Even has a fingerprint reader works fine in pop o s. So when I unlock my computer, I can just put my finger on it Um, so it works. I really like it. It works quite well Yeah, gravity zone interfaces hell. That's what a lot of people had told me You've had issues with s1 set-in-one and the brick systems I can't speak to that because we're doing a lot of set-in-one and I don't know anyone that's had that issue with it um So that's not been a problem. I burned into a set-in-one as a bricking systems How far away from them 10 gig switches replace the current one gig consumer switches are going to be for us One gig was going to be with us for a long time because the consumers just don't need 10 gig the homeland people want 10 gig The businesses this was a dumb argument I had um, I'm linked in with someone and I'm just like I think some people just want to be contrary and are you with me which is fine I mean, eventually I'll just Ignore you which is why I had to do with this person They were trying to tell me is how 10 gigs of standard where they are and that I'm wrong and I'm like, okay But we're doing business with a lot of large companies and wiring these large companies And we pretty much still just see one gig and most computers come with one gig And it's because there's not a need for what they're doing There's a diminishing return with minor exceptions. Do you work in the movie industry? Okay, cool. You probably need 10 gig if you're doing editing of large files You need 10 gig you need to move large amounts of data. You need 10 gig You need to do a live stream. I can do this on under under 100 and do live streams and talk to 80 people who could also click the like button while you're at it 80 of you could be talking to me on I mean, I don't know 20 meg connection It's not because you think about my internet connection to limiter and my wi-fi is obviously not going to be even at full speed Wi-fi is never the speed it quotes for those of you that didn't know that's a common thing when people set wi-fi It says it's got a max speed of this and I'm only getting x of that. I'm like, yeah wi-fi never gets the max speed So back to your question. It's not likely that it's going to become mainstream 10 gigs been around since 2006. So we're what does that put us 18 years in? So it's it's uh, it's going to be always for only people that need that extra I looked at different laptops. The reason I'm using this Dell Is it had the best looking uh, OLED screen? I wanted OLED. I'm outside I got the screen at what is this thing at? 20% brightness. It looks I'm reading everything perfectly fine. I can get it so bright. It looks weird Like when I turn the brightness up a little it's wild like right now I got it at 50% and this is not something I'd be able to share Easily, but the screen on this is incredible I wanted a really nice OLED screen and hands down when you start comparing things side by side The Dell OLED screen was just beautiful. It sold me on this laptop. I could care less that the screen flips around That's kind of a novelty option. Um, but yeah The screen being beautiful is really what it comes down to But now on the topics of technology that gets me exciting I guess in in some terms of networking not in terms of network hardware The overlay networks are super exciting. Although work around that has been amazing. Uh, so that that's really cool Um, so the the reason two and a half gigs exists Uh is the long tail of legacy two and a half gig will work over 5e networks and I want you to think about things and how it works in a large company Let's say we have an office building that has oh, I don't know 3000 people in an office building and for 3000 people There could be as many as 5000 Cat 5e runs in there think about what it costs and how much of a remodeling problem It is it's not just pulling the wire to replace 5000 cables in an office like that Well, two and a half gig will work over 5e So the reason for two and a half gig is because there's a need for a little bit more speed in areas They need to get a little more data across but they don't want to rebuild the infrastructure Of the company. So here comes two and a half gig to save the day I don't care about it that much. It's not that exciting. It solves the problem for those companies that don't want to rewire um, but it's not You know, most of the time two and a half gig is kind of a band-aid on it home users seem to get more excited about it If you're a home user and you're trying to evaluate a two and a half gig switch Spend just a couple more dollars and get a get a 10 gig switch or spend the same amount of money and get a used 10 gig switch 10 gig switches are especially if you're a home user and you're looking at sfp are so inexpensive right now Um, that they're hard to pass up. So that's for the reason for a lot of those We're using rocket backup and lean to shift your beam. I haven't used beam Some people have taken the time to architect it to be really happy with it. Um, I don't have any gotchas for beam People like it. I know people using it and uh, yeah We switched msp 360 backup and it's been good so far. What are your thoughts on their arm tool? Um, I'm really bullish on ninja one. Um, I haven't really taken the time to evaluate msp 360 school But we're all in on ninja one. So I I don't really have the time to do it It was really difficult to switch from enable. We had used it for so many years And even our testing, I mean, we had to test and move like we moved 400 end points for a demo Just 400 of them just to try and make sure we understood the product With ninja one and we loved it. So we stayed there It's hard to evaluate other products because testing it on 10 end points tells me nothing testing it in Real world scenarios across like, you know, we are moving blocks of like 100 here or 200 there and getting up to 400 That's a real test when you know if the product works. Well, and we were really happy with the way the product worked So then we eventually migrated all of our end points over there That's where, you know, we understand the product better if you're just trying to do it at small scale It's hard. So I don't think I could give a fair shake to the tool. I don't know enough about it As an msp, have you seen requests for customers about crypto either setting up or explaining of it? I mean people ask about it. Sometimes I don't Setting it up crypto miners. I've done a lot of consulting on crypto miners, especially because I do storage consulting I did a lot on chia I thought I don't have any crypto miners I think most of crypto solves no real world problems. It matter of fact seems to create them because crypto Uh, I could rant about it, but I won't get turned into the crypto rant Because the crypto bros will come after me go, dude, it solves all the problems And then I can tell you exactly how it's never solved the problems and now the crypto markets crash so much Just go to web 3 is going great Let's go there This is my favorite This is my last thing I'll leave you with We'll pull up this site You know a bunch of touch works way better than expected But yeah, web 3 is is going just great. Follow this website laugh and laugh. Um, that's my thoughts on crypto so Hey, hello, don't think I've seen the house setting before. Yeah, I don't use this the first time I think I've ever done a live stream in my backyard. Um, I just uh built this gazebo back here and um So, yeah, this is definitely, you know, I wonder Here, we'll see how far I can get Oh, I'm gonna stand up for a minute How far can Tom get in his backyard? Without the wi-fi. I don't have um my wi-fi works in my backyard But usually I go with back in the gazebo, but yeah, I'm at my house. Let me spin around. That's my house. So That's my hot tub That's my trailer so Oh, there we go But uh, yeah, I can probably walk back here. Oh now I'm in the sun Can I do can I do my live stream for my gazebo? That's the next question How good is my unify in my house to reach this far back, which I never did a video about that Holy crap. It works Yeah, I have a pretty big yard. You can there we go Ah Oh that now the sun's in my face. Hold on because switch seats There we go There's a sun. Oh, there we go. Now the sun's not in my face There and then you're looking at my house that way all the stuff in my yard I like spinny chairs there. This is a nice view I don't think I can go much further back Tell me is the live stream cutting out Um, I don't have any complaints about being like I said I have some MSPs. I know that are really happy with it. So uh, but Even though we're using mf3 360 now Uh, oh is it 480 now? It's getting glitchy. All right. I'm gonna go back up where it's not glitchy So, all right. I gotta put a there's a project video tom putting outdoor wi-fi at his house So that's that'll be a thing No, the sun's moving at least There's leaves everywhere where I set this down. There we go I'm actually plugging the cord back in so I like to take the battery charged And things the battery's pretty good on this but um, but we're still I spent you know kind of back on the ninja one thing. I spent a lot of time talking to the ninja backup people we're gonna We you know, we had some glitches here in there that have not been solved the problems we had have been fixed So we're gonna be evaluating again and doing more testing with it. So If you're looking for a new backup system and you're a ninja one user Check out what ninja one's doing So those things it's not a separate product. It's all part of an integrated offering they have Let's see What else do we have in here? Oh, um, yes um At the very moment we're using fresh desks, but we will be migrating. I Can't give all the details yet but right now we're right now as of today we're using there so Uh, we didn't switch back to them yet. Uh, we're gonna start doing testing. I'll just be honest So we're gonna do some more testing with it. They solve the problems in some of the glitches and they've uh, they're doing a lot of This is the cool thing, you know, it's hard when you have Certain things working a certain way that people become dedicated to The hard thing is when you are actually willing to take the time to refactor the code and one thing You don't learn till you really get to know of them. It's like they're really taking the time to fix any of the little it was just um Some glitches we had with some of the uh, full imagery stores and they're just going to be adding more features to it. So Um, if you're looking um, and I can't give all the details I I I will get them on to talk about it. Uh, that way I'm not ever in Potential any violation, but they're really They've hired well things. I can't say they've hired some really new project managers that used to work at big msp's These project managers were msp's that left uh that now work there And it was a really cool insight is seeing that they have people not just developers developers work for those people But some of the project managers in charge of uh product Product managers not project product managers. So yeah, let's see. How do we ban people? There we go come on Let's see Thoughts on ninja ticketing. Yes. That's my thoughts on it. Yes I say yes on ninja ticketing. So um Let's see. What else do we have here? Oh, yes, youtube chat so much fun. There is kind of a weird thing that I don't know how to solve easily Um, this is a a bunch of things if you touch the touchscreen it works great the problem with the uh touchscreen is The mouse disappears and you can still use it But it doesn't have a mouse pointer and you got to wiggle the mouse like this Well the touchpad like this and it just pops back up. It's working because you can watch it moving But you can't see where the pointer is and the uh to to ban things You want to ban something you got to you got to touch these little three dots Why leave the goal is to keep everything as much as possible as much as reasonable into one single dashboard of a ninja one The ninja one ticketing the ninja one backup the more you can do everything. So you have A place to check things. You know see earlier comment where tom says he manages over 70 businesses How do you manage 70 businesses? You don't want to do it with Eight dashboards and try to look across all the different clients across dashboards the more data you can put into a single dashboard so you really can understand what's going on and Pivoting there is a switching costs and both mental and physical moving between things When you have to go. Oh cool. I've noticed a problem. Let me go over here. Oh, here's a ticket But when you start integrating those things and you can say, hey, there's a ticket by the way on the sidebar Here's going to be all that information I need about it. When was the last backup run? When was the Um, you know, what's the status of that machine? Uh, can I connect to it? Can I click and just boom remote into that machine with that ticket with all through one area without switching around And having to even look even if it's only a minute It allows your text to be much much more efficient So having it all in one place where I can answer all the questions without going, uh, hold on Let me know our tab. Oh, let me let me look at this. Hold on. Oh, you need that file restored Um, let me go into that. Oh, I wasn't logged into that one. Hold on and even if it's single sign on Maybe it logged out. Maybe it timed out, you know being a dashboard. It's just a whole lot. So Oh, yes fingerprints all over the screen drive me bananas. So you're I'm with you. So I've had a sonology answer for years. You're really like all the features offers If you think about getting a second master backup, but you make a lot of synology Something else, you know, sonology to sonology backups are smooth So if you're a very familiar sonology and you like it, you're happy with it But you want to duplicate it Sonology with their hyper backup makes that easy and it's a smooth process. So I would say yes I use cove Cove data ninja attempt to look at ninja for some test out. Yeah Uh one dashboard or if you're a product sound worth it. Yeah Well, there's a reason I'm on product committees and at events and flying to from Detroit to Austin to have conversations to improve products So yes and product is improving let's see is it Uh Is it worth revisiting schooner scale app deployment networking once you get out of the vm hypervisor mindset Just uh clicks for how much more convenient is uh for chart beta apps. Yes. I tweeted today about this. Hey, let's pull up tom's twitter Because that's why not I tweeted about this today and I'm just using the mouse because it's way faster to like it's cool, but um Let's see. What do we got here? People tagging me in stupid things That's what I wanted. Come on So I this is me having a conversation with the true charts people Like I talked to them and uh, this is one of the things I told them. I'm really looking forward to Is a better backup restore system for Let me drink some coffee real quick here better backup and restore for everything Uh, so yes, I think it's really cool But the problem that I ranted about was really simple If you run these apps users, especially Home lab users and new people in technology Get really stoked about one click deployments and things like that They also reach out to me having youtube channel because we do consulting because they lost all their data And they don't understand Um necessarily because it's part of the learning curve how to back up and do that. There's a lot of documentation Uh Is being produced now to get that sorted out and so I'll do some videos on it like hey not just how to install that But I think some uh tutorials kind of skip on this part Here's how you store it. Here's how you back up the data. Here's how you restore it and your data So you got to make sure you understand how that works because I feel terrible for people I had someone that just lost three terabytes of data and they were thought you could just Undelete a whole data set in shrewd ass and I'm like you can't Um, that's there's not like an undelete button once you like they thought you could just do that And I'm like, no, no, no, you cannot they're like, oh, well that changes my needs a lot for support. I'm like, yeah, probably does Um, because then I have to think about what what what to do next because they have no more data, uh on their system So yes Oh, yeah, yeah their product manager hires are awesome. Like I got to hang out with all those people Uh, I made some good new friends. They're There are other msp's who did things at scale who are really smart Exited the msp market those really fun stories Well msp owner market and moved into the msp market in terms of working with ninja So they really get it. Like they understand what we as people who have to manage computers They understand what was needed At a really good level Oh, do you have your ninja allowed to just one ip address? Uh, my my workers are remote. So no, I haven't allowed to any of their ip addresses, but um That helps from a security standpoint because if someone were to Get your username your password and whatever you're using for tootp. By the way, we use phyto keys Um, they wouldn't be able to log in. So it will help from that aspect of it Ah, yes, enjoying the indian summer aka, um, autumn Um, I don't really think scale is more scale to me Um, other than have some ui element issues I don't think the user it slightly looks different because they didn't just copy paste it from core But I don't think it's any more complicated. I think user write management is not something people Understand very well. So I need to probably do some updated videos on it. Um, that's on my to-do list What's my go-to coffee? Um, I do like good copies. Uh, but I'm not super super picky I mean when I was traveling I'll do starbucks. I like big bees I'm not a real picky coffee person. Um, but tim horton says really good coffee, too I'm not like this. I'm not I'm not really a coffee snob, though I I will drink and I have well like when I uh travel on my motorcycle. I'll drink some really garbage coffee because it's there You know, we'll be coffee heated up on a camp stove and I'm like whatever it's better than no coffee Could you do some provider content regarding sim really appreciate it? I'm working on that. Um I want to do a security on your video. So Your ninja rep is awesome. Yeah Ubiqui with ninjas great Uh, do you plan to make an updated ninja video go over how everything is set up after using it for a long period of time? Yes um That it's if you maybe weren't here for the earlier video though They've turned down a lot of features on my account that I'm testing kind of related me going to the event So I'm gonna probably have to I'll bring people in because maybe we'll talk about policy and set up A little bit of how we do things. So I can't just show my ninja anymore because there's too many things we've turned on But uh, I can talk to them. I'm positive they'll spin me up like a separate demo account that I can do that for and have some discussions about it um Well, you know what there might be even a better way to do this, uh I pitch I I these are ideas. I float is like, you know, how can me and ninja work together more? Even if it's creating content on a youtube channel for them, uh For because it'd be very dedicated ninja and I like talking about products. So um Yeah, definitely topics that can be talked about gotta figure out where they land Because there's a lot of good information um That they have forums and things like that and you know, the more we can get people Collaborating with each other to share ideas on how the product works. I think the better we all become As users and ninja also enjoys the interactions of watching how their product is used because that's what gives them insight back into getting things done All right, I'll let this go a few more minutes because I want to play in my motorcycle because it's nice out and uh I might go in the house because I want more coffee. So I'm taking you guys inside Oh How do I open the door with all this stuff in my hands? With my foot probably, you know, I can do my arm Oh, we're going to tom's house Now the cool thing is My wife's in a meeting in the other room I can do this you guys can hang up my kitchen with me There Yes, there's led lights in my kitchen because of course there is see one nice thing is when you're not tied to the um System in terms of the microphone Because this wireless microphone works all over the place I can just walk and talk and have a conversation with everybody about this It's really bright in that window. It's the lighting's probably better if I did this way This is a lot of light that comes in my kitchen. So Go here Now I can have a stand-up conversation and it's just chilly enough to wear a jacket If I don't need a jacket anymore and take that off So ninja Ninja one By the way While I was at I was waiting for someone to give me some crap about this I had my dado bag at ninja one. No one said anything I don't use anything dado. I just happen to have a dado bag Well, let's see What is your process if you're doing file backups, uh, you can do it that way We're getting we're pushing everyone to the cloud when it comes to quick books because quick books is end-of-life hanging um The whole the on-prem product of quick books is getting end-of-life So they have to use the cloud get them there sooner and it's less of the emergency So, yeah, oh, what about the motorcycle are you riding one? Yes, I love riding motorcycles You know, here's a thing. How do I find this? Where do I have that video at? So if we went over here, well, I can just pull up photos Uh, somewhere I'll share it. Oh, I did manage to um Hey, that's my motorcycle right there So, um, it is when it's not laying on the ground. I have another picture of it somewhere See is it That's what it looks like not on the ground when it's actually there. So it's uh, yabba ha super, uh, super tenor a You like the writing videos on my other channel Yes, if you, uh Are good with the google foo you can you can find tom as a personal channel. So There's no way my larger cubi enterprise users will be able to use quick because online Well, they're gonna have to find something else because quickbooks is Moving that way. Uh, they've already done it in some of the other countries. They haven't done it in the us yet The date has not been announced. It's gonna be like a year or two out But it's happening. Everyone knows it. Uh, they're getting rid of the on-prem product So they're gonna hit that move to a new product or Move online so Yeah Um Without scooping up my youtube. Can I do this? Can I um I can pull this up. I'll drop a link for it my personal videos. There we go I share these. I think I shared this one on uh There's if you follow me on twitter, you're able to find these things But yeah, the uh, that's me writing my vertical. I do post videos Uh, of me writing That's on my other channel put this on my channel. I mean this doesn't belong on my channel But for those you want to do it, I have an instant 360. So I was always having fun Making videos and All the fun stuff to do wasn't that There's actually another video on there. Um, what that's a kind of fun. Whoops Go back It's gonna be So this is actually pretty cool too Where'd it go? Uh, I met someone on a dune buggy and uh, they took me for a ride. So I hooked that camera up to it, so So as I this is actually just done with an instant 360 in my uh pixel uh pixel 6 camera I mean that's my pixel 6 thing is just Also, I like editing and playing videos And I like dune buggies and motorcycles But if uh, yeah, if any of you want to see any of this stuff on my personal channel, I don't care It's I I'm not trying to get subscribers for everything like that. It's just something I do Like I don't know where else to put it. So I put it there. I share it with friends. I share it on twitter Sometimes there's not there's not a lot to it All right As mentioned sim content will be very appreciated. Yeah, absolutely. I um, I'm Just got to find the time to it. I really want to do a video on security younging because it's amazing Actually, I got something cool. I'll show you guys Is uh with security onion I got to meet some of the security union team at an event and uh I have a security onion So it only encourages me more to do this. So Absolutely What do you think of docker tech? I find it confusing and easy to break. I'm using cpng virtualization webmail operations for small business um It really depends everything has a use case. There's a use case for docker But not everything should be docker. So Having things as virtual machines can be very beneficial, especially All the networking challenge that may come with it But if you need ephemeral stateless instances of things, there's a good reason to use docker And if you architect something and it comes down to the product you're using And whether or not it would be a good fit because people ask me why I don't just break things out into more uh The whole Like break everything out or why everything broke out into a series of virtual machines versus docker and I like the Each machine to be completely individualized because I don't run into any conflicts I don't have to do any weird networking with it and everything's its own independent vm This also helps in the event that there was some type of escape of One of these like because there are sometimes external facing hosted things If something were to escape the lateral movement between there and access between things could be More damaging. I trust virtual machines to be especially was endserver extremely isolated from each other At a very fundamental level. So but it comes down to the products you're using and how they're interdependent on each other And how you set things up. So there's times to use it. There's times not it's not like there's just one answer for everything Does anyone having a problem using yumi multiboot to get a bunch of server on your usb? I've never used it. So I have no idea Doesn't everyone use what is the tool that everyone loves so much? um for usb boot The multi tool thing. I can't remember what it's called. It's it's on tip my tongue right now, uh, but Yeah, I there's It's it's the multi boot tool for usb's Someone say it rufus. There we go rufus is the one So yeah, that's what most people use when I need to image something bentoi bentoi is the other one bentoi is the one that I was really thinking of because it has the multi boat etcher is good too. I see people making etchers. There's a lot of different tools out there. So, uh bentoi is the cool because it's got the multi boot options on it So that one's uh, definitely pretty cool Uh, oh Try to think of what else here Yeah, I had something else on that topic. Uh, jeff from craft computing did a video On a device that does it a hardware device that does it that's pretty cool And it's funny because lots of people started going, but what about bentoi? I like bentoi and I'm like, whatever dude People me and jeff was laugh how people like if you review something people if they don't Or if they prefer their other product, they just go crazy about it. Like you've got to talk about this and Yeah, I've never used yumi. So I have no idea Post in I mean it's probably posted a bunch of forums. I don't even know if any one of my forums is using it Yeah craft computing did the video on the the hardware one We used to use the early version of that like years and years ago Uh, we just don't like as a business. We just don't have a strong use case for using it Uh, most of the time we're just loading windows. So we have a lot of windows usb's We that's like from my business. We're not loading linux and everything. Um That's just not realistic. So we're pretty much like hammering out lots of uh installs with Like window just windows installs It's boring so Some people like qem kvm. I like xcp and g We do a lot of consulting with xcp and g for companies are doing things at scale I mean we help the company migrate over 2000 virtual machines off of vmware over to that So while you're running 2000 virtual machines, you have different needs than a home user with 10 or 20. So different different use cases um We don't even have that many virtual machines on there ourselves We have more stuff we play with I think I was sharing before um Do we have Go to our storage servers Make sure I share the screen Make sure I make the screen bigger Yeah, so there's 42 um Not 40. Well just about 42. Some of these are going to be snapshots Uh, but there's probably like 30 virtual machines on here for stuff. We're working on We also have a lab environment. So we got a bunch. We have a handful more not a bunch more but A handful more there are 27 over and there's actually less in the lab right now That'll change there's a lot more being built I have a new video on our Ryzen servers because they're stupidly amazing I would actually use case image machines was specifically made images I get you cert because I have uh different versions of image depending on the hardware being image. Yeah I relay I put uh, uh rely On proxbox, however our company we use ibm Uh and vmware cool Oh, but the I got to do a video on these Ryzen machines Um My staff doesn't find this as funny as I I do Don't worry everything happens for a Ryzen because we were making everything happen on it and uh, but Yeah, these Ryzen machines, um, someone's gonna complain. I know someone's gonna have an opinion not complain. They're Ryzen 9s So yes, this is the specs on them And someone will be upset that like I already had that I posted it on uh, I don't know where I posted maybe twitter But tom you went with the 12 core not the other core, you know, and so people asking Why'd you go with the Ryzen 9 5900x you should have went that's a that's one thing I I guess why the hardware videos get so many views is because people all have to offer their opinion Like oh, I got to watch it. I got to tell them why he's wrong Do you see sbs wanting oh, yeah the new price increases of vmware wanting it's like We're doing a consulting gig that may involve 14 data centers 14 data centers moving away from vmware Um, so for you fellows you that will add the comments tom. It's just not used vmware is the just standard in there Yeah, that's cool guys. I'll keep doing my thing over here while you guys tell me it's the standard And everyone uses it and there's it's just it's a toy that's only not used in there I can tell you that xcpng is now being used At least I can't say the name of the company, but they're in the fortune 500 and they've consulted with us So, uh, we can now say xcpng is being used and I there's probably a few more than that. Um, it Yeah, yeah, it's used quite a bit so How I made the list for the Ryzen build yet, uh, I will I want I got to do a video now I wanted to Build it and use it for a while and now that we've used it and let me show you one of the things that's changed here We haven't just used it when you go to our um host You may notice something missing from here Our del servers are gone. We sold them. Uh, we actually had a client that needed them As a backup. So we ended up, um They had one of the there's they had a the calamity of things But we upgraded them and they have a brand new del server But they also wanted something good enough to run and back it up So we actually have our old del server We gave them a really good deal to sell it used to one of our clients as a backup and You know, that's how we I was like, you know, we have a client that kind of needs this and We're friends. These are like co-managed and people who are now just with it And we told them like hey, we got a good deal on this del server The only thing you didn't have is we we use seagate nitro drives Their enterprise ssds they needed a few more for their storage needs. So we actually filled it up with a brand new seagate nitro ssds for them and Sold it to them for a really good price But we went all rising for everything we're running internally and it works really really well Yeah, yeah yet not the default in any major cloud provider. It vm. We're yeah, it's not going to be That a fall it's just too expensive and they're really Doing it Doing a great job of making it more enterprise accessible And it's xcp and g and zen orcs just scale very very well to large companies Do you do consulting on ad us? Not really ad us isn't really my thing so no Trinus scale basically data plus apps would be the best or at least ways to run the apps and the app server And the data on trinus core. I can't think of any way to do that Uh, good way to do that. What is the best architecture such a system method a protocol to get two separate services to talk to each other nfs nfs is how you want to talk to each other about honestly, I wouldn't do that It I if you're going to run applications, you run them on like a good hypervisor that can run the applications Um, and then you nfs over there. So for example, and and zen orchestra for us when you look at my storage You know We'll just go this one here. But how is it connected? So This is all attached over nfs And that's how you want these connected. Is it say here? I don't know. Where does it say stats? I don't know either way Just I guess it just says it here. I'm sure I thought it was a spot where it said like the type of connection it is I guess it doesn't oh, yeah, it does right here. I just write in a right in the middle of the screen um anyways You nfs is a really good way to attach them The system that runs us is a true NAS core system because it's still very performance oriented. So it handles all of our Needs for doing things in zen orchestra because zen orchestra runs all of our compute and Not all of it and we have local storage as well So anything that doesn't need to be on local storage now some of our stuff that is on local storage Is going to be on these like the rise in one local storage. These are mvme local storage. So I do have another 18 discs on here But the local storage is all mvme based. So it's a little bit more expensive But for those small things that I really want to have really high performance it definitely um It has no problems with the performance on running mvme's So that's what runs on the local storage a couple things run on there There's only a couple terabytes of mvme storage, but most of the stuff we're running is not that big Like the unified controller and things like that but Yeah, xo is just an awesome tool Now if you're going to run things in true NAS scale the way you run them in true NAS scale is um Log into my scale server It's making sure that you have the apps separated. So uh When you look at the settings for this Make sure it's in the screen just being shared properly, right? Yes Oh, I clicked on that data. I meant to click on this edit so The way you think about it is your applications are Essentially should be stateless and ephemeral and all of your data should be stored within a data set. So When I run the applications on here So should I run true NAS core a I I don't run true NAS core with a hypervisor and run the apps on the same hypervisor and I test them together Yeah, if you're using core, I don't use virtualization core at all. I don't use virtual Well, I'm testing virtualization in scale and I've noted in my scale videos the bugs on it I run a completely physically separate server But if you are going to use the apps within true NAS scale You just want to make sure you're saving the data to the data sets because that's that's going to be your fastest by running the applications And doing it at the kernel level. So they're not doing it in FS here when you set the applications They're doing it at the apps have direct access via the kernel to the local data sets That's going to be a really really fast way to run it. Um, it works really really well for that I get it depends on what you want to run like I run things in scale and they work fine Not everything works fine, but it can it depends on what app you want to run So I run syncing because it works great I found that syncing works great. There's all the apps I run Oh, I was playing with Collabra. I was playing with next cloud to do some testing I don't really use it in any production The only thing we use in production right now is syncing and it works wonderful But it comes down to what apps do you want to run? What are the needs and where's the best place to run them? You know in the end. I love gray log, but for gray log We run gray log in xcp and g and it's an nfs share back over to true nas so Scale is production rate depends on what you're trying to run. I haven't had any problems with scale in terms of stability of the shares those seem to work fine stability of the apps has gotten better Uh, but like their virtualization see my video on it Like I I me and Wendell both ranted about the bugs and virtualization bugs That come with scale the applications. They're still goofiness with them. So would I run the applications in production? Besides syncing that's all I need and it works, but outside of that. I don't know it depends on which application Is the upgrade from sure nas core easy? Yes people really struggle with doing permissions, um, it's It's like one of those things permissions are to me the Uh, the the same challenge of vlands. They're really hard to understand and one day it just goes off in your head like, hey This is how they work and then you're then you get it. Um, I've been dealing with permissions for Since the windows nt days. So I just have never Like they were hard to understand maybe at first where they were really simple back then. Um, I have been dealing with permissions for 20 plus years So I don't know they kind of just click with me just I'm still from doing them for 20 years Oh, oh my I left my phone outside. You know, but this will probably work outside and I hear my phone I was like, I hear my phone making noise It's outside Actually, I'm gonna plug my laptop back in I'll add the cord outside But yeah, the um permissions are just something people have a hard time wrapping our head around Any consulting we've done and permissions have never been I've yet to have people start I Sometimes when people reach out to me they think that they want to tell me there's a problem But the way the permissions work Tom I'll hire you for consulting but really this is a bug in the product type thing and I'm like, okay And then they find out they just just did the permissions wrong so So yeah permissions always a challenge If you like Synology, you're familiar with Synology and Synology makes you happy use Synology I don't we use Synology. We think it's a good product I don't really have any complaints about Synology. Really, I should plug my phone in. I haven't charged it I have a lot of messages I mute my phone all the time People if someone has you for my phone number and I'm like, well, do you actually want to get a hold of me? Because that's not how you're going to do it. Well, if someone else asks for me email. I'm like I don't reply to that either. So um I I have like you get the contact our sales department if you want to engage with my company sending an email to Tom If you're not on the list of people Tom has Created a list for to highlight your emails. You'll get lost in the stream of emails I get so That's uh, that's the nature of um email and knowing people and talking on youtube and going to events and Things you just have to do that. You do you reach a scale where it just I don't know Some people hire personal assistants just to organize their email. I just create filters to organize my email In vendors they have a special filter called spam. That's where all of them live So every unsolicited vendor email is in there. So because they aren't on the list of people that aren't in there So it's all filtered in lists Uh, let's see I don't want to get locked into free bsd next cloud. Yeah, you can't move anything um Between you can't move the jails from truenas core to truenas scale. So that's a definitely an issue I hear assistants delete my emails. Yeah Yeah, I can I can not hire an assistant and just ignore them too. Turns out google gives me lots of storage And then once things are over a certain date, I can just purge them because they're probably not relevant anymore Yeah, I posted this on my linkedin, uh, don't check email can't get hacked. No doubt No doubt. Yeah, I uh, that was my post on What did I post that on linkedin? A couple days ago, maybe Let me find it. I was I Trying to post more on linkedin I didn't see people sharing it through this and This was my post. Be when I post that three days ago Can't get phishing email if you never check your emails So That's the truth Next cloud and apps, you're right Jeep it. I like that it says Jeep it simple. I'm I'm gonna say that because keep it simple. Why not? Yeah Do you set up any business using google workspace? Uh I think about a quarter of our clients are on google workspace. Maybe more We have a decent amount of clients using google workspace. We're using google workspace. I love google workspace Company in Norway just got poned 300 000 users. That sucks. I feel bad for those people Someone's having a terrible weekend Just don't boot the computer How many emails do I have right now that I can't show my emails, but what I can do is tell you that I have 312 000 304 emails right now So Yeah, that's I have a lot of emails And and messages on linkedin that are popping up So playing with scale saw the advantage of having the apps running and tune in for severe xv mostly because of the damper missions Same thing to do an example. Um, I mean, there's see so same thing I I'm gonna do an update a video on it because one I really love the product Uh, there's it someone was asking me today in my forums, which you can pull those up real quick This is a comment I had on this. Um, Both the latest where's the So this is a common question. It comes up a lot. Um Want to know and Can tune as to by direction replication When you're using replication It's just like the name says zfs replication as its name implies is block level replication of one zfs Uh system to any number of other destination system. That's it It doesn't do bi-directional because of the way it works and for those you want to know There's the forum post Um, but uh Same thing is a solution for bi-directional synchronization because once you go bi-directional synchronization The problem you run into is you have to have a management tool that can do conflict resolution between the files So how do I figure out the conflicts between them? And what's the mechanism for dealing with that? Um, also, how do we solve things like the potential for? Um, something to go wrong and it not to cascade to the other system. Well, same thing has facilities for both of those Built-in. So if you want bi-directional communication syncing is a pretty magical tool to be able to do that And it works really really well Yeah, I don't know why they uh dropped it. Um I thought about looking to see if there's a way to put it back out in there, but yeah Can score replicate to each other without a uh master bugs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, Let's go ahead and log into another machine We have a lot of true dance to me. Please note. I'm logging into a true dance core machine The reason I bring that up is let's go over here to Replication tasks, uh all these tasks here Um are all going to a scale system and vice versa works that it perfectly fine as well So yes works both ways. You can replicate from core to scale and from scale to core Without a problem. I no issues at all Synchronizing data. So there's no, uh the the migration of data between them is not a pain At all, which is really nice because for the time being because this particular system This is the I just reviewed this system like Wednesday, um, I posted a video about our tuesday. I posted a video about it. Um, This is my 45 drive server and it absolutely is, uh Works wonderful with true dance core and storing all my hypervisors. I don't run any applications on here. So if you look at the jails It's empty. I don't have a need or use case for it. If you look at virtual machines, I don't run them on here everything runs on My true of my xcp ng system and points back at this system. So Uh, that's how all of that works Always run true nas on bare metal. That's they're all bare metal machines It's the only way to avoid issues and maintain performance Once you run them on virtualized you introduce new problems So, yeah, that's All there is to it Where do you keep your xcp ng system? I don't know exactly how to answer that Um, I'll but I could answer with a photo I keep it right there right in this photo I I don't understand the question me the bottom system is the 45 drive system the uh So that's where I keep it if that's the question I don't understand the question very well. There's the 45 drive server the uh orange cables are storage The black cables are just your standard networking the green cable is um Out of band management and then this one is just an extra cable for separation of networks that we don't want on vlands Uh, because we want them extra secure. So there's where we keep our xcp ng servers Uh, when I when xcp g will get a new kernel distro. There are problems with 10g drivers and microtik I don't know. Um That's a question for the xcp and g forums ask the team there when they're going to update it for support for those things It's not it's not a question. I haven't answered to Uh, what chassis's are using I'll I'll got to make a list because I really don't know they're they're from new egg There's some generic chassis from new egg. I will I will get the list because I'm gonna do the video soon So I'll get the parts list and talk about them. Um, but yeah, they're There's something from new egg. There's not they're nothing special. There's obviously no hot swap power supply and a myrny thing like that They're just generic Uh generic cases that's all there is to it. There's nothing They're actually kind of ugly. They're actually really ugly. Uh in terms of color. They're I don't know I like things look a little neater Are the two on top of the 40 fried? Yeah Yeah, those are both identical xcp and g machines identical rising machines both of the hosts and my xcp and g are the same so These two hosts rise in one and rise in two Um are identical So there's nothing about them that's different There are the same processors same memory same motherboard same everything Um, nothing about them is special True nest core servers and then separate physical hardware for box Yeah, yep No, they're not an ha they're just in the same pool You don't need ha as much as people think you need ha ha can create more more problems They're just in the same pool you create resource pools But you don't have to have that thing in ha but the resource pools Do allow so this is the pool of zen and there's your Rise in one rise in two in a pool of zen, but let's go find something Actually, we can probably take my cali linux box if we wanted or you know, which another one Um, yeah, I got ferronix. Whoops. That's in the lab. I need something that's in pool of zen Pool of zen one here we go So it lives here. I can start it Start on Either one of these so let's start in on rise in one. So we're going to start my ferronix pool on rise in one So let's watch it boot Which will happen really fast So let's boot it up and show you what happens here It'll start up It's kind of weird when a bunch of boots because the new bunch who kind of just gives a black screen for a moment And then it's like, hey, I'm here and it works So It boots really fast. It just black screens for the moment I don't really understand why but you can see it's doing stuff because here's the stats Even better right now. It's detecting It's like there we go And it's booted because I know it says the last little part it does Like reset the screen a little bit. So I got a little too big here Hi, honey. I want to say hi to a few hundred people on the live stream All right, so it's booted and it's running on this server here This is stuff that you really care about, right? No, not at all. I don't care about annuities She sells annuities But with it running on this server here Even without it being ha How do you get it on the other server? You can actually just migrate it really quick. So It's actually let's log into it. So it's got something on the screen other than this Wait, I think it's All right, so it's running htops. You can see it's doing something but if I want to migrate it From where it is to where I want it to be let's put it over here and hit okay and It's going to run And we're going to watch it switch from the rise and one you can see it up here at the top and you're watching Oh, it's going to blink the screen because it's now connecting me to the other one And now we're on rise and two we just migrated virtual machine live and I don't know eight seconds I don't know. Was it even eight seconds? Did someone time that? So So I thought the trueness curve was On top of the 45 dray. So I was actually on there as well. What's that look like? It's all connected via nfs. I said that earlier There are two there. There's three machines two risings and one Trueness core with an intel processor in it. They're physically three separate machines connected with nfs morning Mr. Wizard of technicals But no, you can see how quickly I can just move things between The different servers so I could you know start on when you're starting at any one of the servers in the pool there's only two right now, but I can migrate back and forth between them and You know, we can start it. I could probably start a timer But you know it runs without shutting down the virtual machine I can just move the machines where I need them. Let's migrate it back. So go over here Go over here And let's time it We're gonna find a timer No, we'll just go over here and watch it do task 13 11 12 10 8. Oh, it's going way faster than seconds So this is how fast I can migrate it to another virtual machine. So I don't know four seconds I wasn't really timing that so that's how you that's how quickly you can move these back and forth between there So you don't need them in ha to do that As long as you're all in the same resource pool You can just take live machines and bounce them between servers anytime you want If you deployed any mcrest cameras in harsh color environment a customer needs camera deployed near c with lots of weather Uh Probably the the cameras always have limited dynamic range. So but they should work there. We've got them all over the place I have issues installing xcp horizon Uh 5950 x motherboard the installer stops the cpu one panic and reboots post-center forums There are some fixes for problems horizons, but I mean I'm running this with uh Where's the host horizon advanced These are 5900 x 12 core processors. They work perfectly fine Um, we go back to the host. What's this one? What's the lab one? I think the lab one's different This is a rise in five Works fine too So I'm it's working with values in five and it's working with the other one. So I really don't have an answer um post-center forums Will the camera survive Don't see why not if you get weather sealed cameras um, but I make do a follow-up on these these are Log into this mine have survived fine, but i'm not on the ocean Uh, I mean michigan gets like five degrees outside or lower I mean we we get well below zero for those of you and they aren't measuring in freedom units. We we get like 10 and 15 c below like celsius it gets really really cold in michigan It gets really warm in michigan. We've had plenty we had a few days where we reached about 100 degrees So I've had no problems. That's good because i'm going to do a follow-up video on these um These are my Cameras that still work fine Um after being outside for a year. So hey, there's my backyard where I was just setting Uh, here's harsh lighting conditions because it's still bright outside right now But they they work quite well and they these have been up for a while So I have videos if you just type in and crash you'll find the videos on these to see the models and all the details of them So I think they work perfectly fine What motherboard are you using xy 70 or b 550? Let's log into that because I don't know But I know how to find out they're I'll find the motherboard model in just a second because i'm going to log into the ipmi on these their um The name is on a tip on as rock. These are as rock systems So as I log in I'll share the screen because it'll have the board in here I'm going to do a video on them next week, uh because now that I've used them for a while By the way when I say use them for a while Um 76 days of power on hours. So yes Uh, this is where is it motherboard model? Here's a little drop it in here This is an as rock and i'm throwing the model number in here so That's the motherboard x5 70 d for you So x5 70 board Yeah, michigan is um Michigan's no joke for sure But yeah, uh, they they work really well. Um Haven't really had any major issues with them. I like all the monitoring. I really like the Um html viewer in here. So i'm going to cover this stuff like this works really well in here Power control dashboard sensors system information. I they got a nice modern looking All management system on here so I can manage all these systems. They're at my office and I'm at my house So I'm able to manage them remotely. They work great though This is why I want to do a video on it because I want to make sure my video doesn't reflect like hey these work No, these work. They've got 76 days of usage on them. They're running all these applications We have load tests of them to the point of trying to overheat them We peeked out all the cpu's uh doing really heavy testing I don't see if they would overheat like I went through all the testing so I could give you a more honest review to come to that but I think i'm gonna go ride my motorcycle. I've been talking to everyone for a while, which has been awesome But uh, I eventually do have to go do things Fun fact frosty to snowman was actually filmed in michigan. I believe that that makes sense The other things I can do where did my Where did I put my shoes? Oh, they're over here Probably don't really need them For those of you that you know, I'll end the live stream if you're wondering So I'm gonna go play with motorcycles. Anyway, so let me go Open my garage There that's the motorcycles. So wait. Well, I probably don't need to share this screen too. So There we go That's what I'm gonna go do Excuse That's my front yard. I live in an area that's not really rural, but um, I'm kind of on the edge of the suburbs. So It doesn't take me long to get out in the woods, but yeah, you guys can see my garage and my toolboxes and stuff and The other my tesla and truck and there That's what I'm gonna go do next people. Is there any final questions before I wind this down? Does my wife have any final questions about doing a live stream? No does next time let me know so I'm not walking out in the middle of it. I don't care if you're walking on the middle My live streams are very informal. So Oh, let's see. All right. Well, thanks everyone for joining awesome I might do more of them like this. I like being able to walk around with the laptop and do things I will be doing them at the office To with the same way because I want to be able to walk around the office and just use this microphone It's just worked amazingly well. So Oh Don't smoke bees man Uh, I the only person qualified to talk about that. This is my son whose name is don't smoke bees online for those You that have found them. So Uh, yeah, uh, that is that is a topic for another time. Thank you everyone for joining and see you next time This went really long hour and 30. Wow Oh, the ash rock do not come with 10 gig we added We added 25 gig cards to them. So that'll be part of the video We went 25 gig, but they'll obviously you can put 10 gig cards in there So 25 gig cards are why I'm able to transfer VMs in the matter of seconds because they're transferring at 25 gigs So that's yeah, that's the topic. All right. Thanks everyone and uh, talk to you later