 Yes, bonsoir à tous. So welcome everyone at Buchmania. It's as usual for a long time, really good to be here and to see the usual faces in the new commas. And yeah, it feels like being back to the mothership and to spend a week with our fellow aliens and have the discussion and the good feelings that give you energy for the full year. So thank you everyone. So we are here this afternoon standing between you and the happy hour to talk a little bit about movement strategy but before we do that we thought it would be worthwhile to look back on the past year. So if we could, I think the lights are gonna go down and we're gonna watch a movie. I am vision of Wikipedia that is inclusive, that is gender balance and that is locally relevant. I see that with the increasing automation and growth in technologies like OCR, speech-to-text, artificial intelligence, the very basis of the movement that is the collectivism would be disrupted in a massive way. Let's celebrate how big and diverse an international movement we are. The Wikimedia conference gathers a lot of people who are involved in planning strategic meetings and things like that to build bridges between different user groups and affiliates and it brings us all together to exchange ideas and to think strategically about the movement, about our movement, where we are heading. My wish is that we will be successful in this process and we can actually have people on board the whole way and actually have this inclusive strategy that we are dreaming of for the whole movement. Movement strategy update now. It's time for them. Hello, hello. Ah, yes, okay. So last time I stood in front of you we were here in process planning. There was a board meeting in November in which the board said this seems like a good way to move forward and now we are here at the end of, it's February, right, at the end of February with Wikimedia coming up, annual planning in the works. We've been having a lot of conversations with folks here in this room, with folks in our community and ultimately come to a few goals for movement strategy and I just want to review those quickly, identify a cohesive or coherent direction that aligns us all and inspires us around what it is that we might do, build trust, goodwill and alignment within our movement. Part of the outcome is the process itself. Better understanding the people and institutions that make up our movement. Build a shared understanding of what it means to be a movement. Building relationships that expand and enrich our movement over time. Today I'm going to talk to you about something very exciting that has been happening for the past months. We have been incorporating new voices to the conversation and by new voices we mean experts, we mean thought leaders, we mean partners, we mean allies. But the most exciting part is that a lot of affiliates across the globe are also engaging in this process and they're organizing their own events. So far we've had events in Chile, in Côte d'Ivoire, in Poland. This is the consensus findings that we have to date. Wikimedia should be an influencer in shaping world policy for access to knowledge. Inclusivity and new representation can be only forged on lower barriers to entry as learning platforms evolve we need to think beyond the encyclopedia. Knowledge sharing is highly social. Privacy and anonymity are still relevant. You could say about it doesn't matter if we don't all understand but why are you here in Ukraine? My name is Zipro Zipro, and in English, I was invited here. I have a lot of knowledge about Wikimedia. It means on Wikimedia you can find almost everything you want to know about the world. We need to bring more educational resources, more educational networks to collaborate with Wikimedia and its projects. Most of the time there is this issue that Africans don't get a chance to see their own story. My ambition has always been to get more content around Ghana and Africa on Wikimedia and make it accessible to the world. It's also my wish that in the near future we can successfully make every Wikipedian feel less alone. I would like to see more people involved from different regions in different continents and different contributors because at the very end we are all human beings and we have knowledge that has to be shared. Get all the content from all the societies, all the communities in the world, make Wikimedia a truly global knowledge resource. I think we could give a second round of applause to Victor Grigas. We put the video together and to all the people that were listed in the 10 or 20-second credits at the end from comments that contributed to make that video happen too. So Wikimedia is just starting. It's been a day. Some people have been there for a little longer. But the fact is we have already been having a lot of discussions from breakfast to the end of the night for some of us. But our hopes, our dreams, our fears, our expectations for our movement and our project. And the thing is we have been doing that for years. It's not the first. It's something we have done that we have done that since the very beginning. I had this discussion for more than 10 years. I've been with Arne and Alice here in London in their weird bar until three or four o'clock in the night. I had them with Nicole. I'm not going to list that because we have had that discussion like four or five times a year. I have them with Florence and Delphine in Taiwan drinking almanac. Really good French alcohol. Until three or four o'clock in the night. And this is our discussion. We have been keep having and having and having a lot across the years. That's yours. Oh, and yes, sorry. Thank you. And even with Achal, I don't know if he's around. I haven't seen him yet or he's not. On the beach in Israel talking about our station that was back in 2011, I think. So do that discussion. We have been repeating having what Christophe for mine. Am I now I am what Christophe was saying to me earlier is that we have been having conversations one on one about the future of our movement and our hopes and our goals and aspirations since the beginning of the projects. And in fact, this is the very first time I ever met Christophe at Wikimedia conference in 2009. And you can see we are having a very intense conversation about the future of the projects. But so although I am newer to the movement than he is, I have also had these conversations with Lucy from Wikimedia UK walking down the street on the way to the tube one night in London with Adele in Barcelona visiting our Catalan Wikimediants with Maria on many long Google Hangouts about what our hopes and fears would be and Abraham about the future of Wikidata and what we can be and build in the world. So these conversations. Oh, I almost forgot someone really special. Yeah, yeah. And of course, with Anna Suga Singupta, who has been a mentor and a guide to all of us as we think about our future. And the fact is a year ago back in Italy, we asked ourselves what if what if you instill the dreaming of this conversation with these ops of and having this discussion one on one? What if we had that conversation altogether? What if we could capture this discussion? What if we could foster them and build on them? What if we could have this discussion with new people from community meetups in Cote d'Ivoire, our policymaker in Brazil? What if we were spreading that discussion from local communities to the global movement? What if we were trying to build a shared and common platform to use the thing that makes us so unique, the thing that makes us so special, our curiosity, our hopes, our dreams, our commitment, our optimism to build a future for our movement to define a shared strategic direction? What if we went full Wikimedian and spent eight months discussing the answer? What if we dug into data, read the research, understood, interviewed, had conversations on Wiki, on Telegram, on Facebook, everywhere, in all of these different languages and tried to use this to build some sort of shared understanding? Yes, there would be citations. Yes, it might be disputed. Yes, we might realize that there are further conversations to have, but we could use our strengths to identify and understand our future. And then at the end that we could write it together and create something aspirational, something that helps us understand the future impact that we can have on the world, that allows us to fully embrace the remarkable thing that this community has created and think about what that next remarkable thing might be. And actually that is what has happened in the last eight months. That is what you saw in the video and today and the coming weeks actually, but we are running the last mile of that product. We are going to bring all of that together. And the thing is, a year ago when we said, we asked the question, what if? And we were kind of meeting resistance or at least doubt or interrogations. And we promised that. Questions. And questions, yes. And we said that by this year, we would be sharing with you the results of these discussions that you all had all across the globe. So we're going to do that. We're going to share the results of those discussions. But before we do, I want to thank you all. I want to thank you for coming with us on this journey over the past year. I want to thank the thousands of Wikimedians and it has been thousands who have contributed and commented in your languages, in your communities and on your projects. The individual contributors who have offered their critique, mostly constructively, of our future direction. The affiliates who have hosted salons and conversations and stayed, oh, no, that was the critiques. The experts from museums, from the media, from technology, from social movements, from education and policy who sat with us and offered their vision and their time because they so believe in what it is that we have to bring to the world. The board that supported the vision, the cuteness association here with us on stage. I want that endorsement cuteness association wherever you are. The regional conferences that brought strategy conversation into your agendas. And of course, the whole big and sprawling strategy team. And I also want to take a moment to specifically recognize our colleagues from Wiki and Daba and the Ibero co-op. Because they offered us a very specific vision of the future in two letters that were sent over the course of the last six months. The letter to Catherine from the Wiki and Daba community and the Cartagena Buenos Aires from the Ibero co-op community. And the vision that they articulated was a world in which every single human can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. But also a world in which their communities had a powerful voice in our movement and were represented through a truly diverse global movement that acknowledges and understands local context and supports and builds off that to make us all stronger. So right before we went on stage, the responses to those letters have been posted and I want to thank you all. So anything is the discussion that happened in the last eight months. They were really broad, really diverse. They were reflecting of our home diversity in our own communities. But at the end of the day, they were all coming down together to some shared understanding that was kind of, well, that was shared all across the globe from Ghana to Germany to Canada to Asia to South America or everywhere. I mean, it all came to some key thing that are shared all across all of us. One of them is that there was and there still is an eagerness to reaffirm that we are about open knowledge. But there was so an eagerness to say that it is not just about open knowledge as it is today because there was a recognition that there is gaps in the knowledge we are having right now and that we should feel that those gaps. Oops, sorry. I talked with my hands in French. So there was also a profound wish to express that we needed to be, for the communities to be mindful, to be there to provide a space for anyone that wanted to jump into our product and contribute the way they want. And ultimately, to all that happened, that if we want all that to happen and to truly become a global movement in the most noble sense of global, it also means that we will need to have global footprint that is highly distributed and that is always taking into account the local cultural constraints and context that might exist. So how did we write it all down? Oh, more Wikimedia. Well, it came together as this and I am going to read, I apologize, I haven't memorized it yet, that the Wikimedia movement will become and transform ourselves to be and fully embrace this idea that we are the roads, bridges and villages that support the world's journey toward free knowledge, that we, the Wikimedia movement, will forge the tools and build the foundations for creating and accessing trusted knowledge in many shapes and many colors, that our networks of people and systems will connect with individuals and with institutions to share knowledge through open standards and structures and support these institutions and individuals on the journey to openness and collaboration, that we, the Wikimedia movement will be a leading advocate and partner for sharing curation and participation in free and open knowledge. So this is a draft version, right? We have been talking throughout the course of the day and yesterday and we'll continue to over the course of the next two days with all of you in the strategy salons about how we can improve this and how we can make it more understandable, more translatable, easier to interpret over the course of finalizing it at the end of this month. Yes, we are in August, so the end of August, but I wanted to ask you, Christoph, what does this direction mean to you? Oh, thank you for the question. Very surprising. So yes, in the past two days and especially today we have been listening to people and questions and interrogations and about the draft strategic direction. And so to me that strategic direction is about something that are more important to me than the rest. The first thing is it's not about encyclopedia, it's about knowledge with capital K, which means that it can take very diverse ways, very diverse form. It's also about opening doors and windows so that we go outside and meet the world, but also that we open doors and windows to let the world come inside and jump into our product and movement. It's also, it also means that in that strategic direction it also means that we will, we have people around the globe that we know and are friends and we are really happy to see them. But now in that strategic direction it also means that we're going to work with these people and we're going to work with them because they are like-minded organizations, like-minded movement, like-minded people and work with them not just talk and be friends with them. And one of the things that is happening tomorrow is that you will have a session, I think it's in the afternoon, with three of the executive directors of three of the main open culture organizations. So Catherine, that you know, from the Wikimedia Foundation and then the executive directors from Mozilla Foundation and Creative Commons. And this is kind of an example of exactly for me what is in that strategic direction. It's more than just meeting them and having drinks and good evenings. It's also being in the same room, talking and debating and working together. And also this strategic direction, this draft direction is bringing with it opening possibilities in terms of tech. The way we are, again, it's about knowledge capital K and this means that perhaps it's not it's time to think outside just texts or pictures or trying to do some videos because well videos and comments. And to think about other technologies what is, is there fields we need to explore, I don't know in VR, AR, is there any way we could structure data differently as we are trying with Wikidata but go beyond that, go beyond that with every single content we have. I don't know if we can, perhaps we could. And this is about it. It is about opening possibilities and opportunities to us, to every single one of us. But what about you Catherine? Also a very unexpected question. I mean, I agree with you Kristoff. I think that it's not just Thank you. You didn't even let me finish. It's not just about the technology in terms of the back end and the infrastructure and how we structure our data. It's also about how we reach people who are not currently coming to the Wikimedia websites, right? Who are not, the browser for whom the browser is not the primary way they communicate and access information in the world. How do we go beyond that? How do we follow these pathways and these roads perhaps beyond roads? How do we follow pathways that aren't not paved, that barely exist that are unmarked to reach people where they are as opposed to we're asking them to come to us? So I think different devices, different interfaces, different experiences, maybe no devices at all. This is really exciting. I also think, you know, and that is very much about building for the users that we serve. I also think that it recognizes that diversity is the key to our success. That if we really do want to be a support system or the essential infrastructure for open knowledge, that's going to look different in the different communities that we're a part of and so we need to be able to ensure that we're open to all sorts of different voices in order to understand their needs and then build to meet them. So count me in on diversity as part of the key part of the strategic direction. I think it also recognizes that we have a responsibility in the world. I think the number that always sort of blows my mind is that there are the Wikimedia projects receive visits from about 1.4 billion unique devices every single month, which means that so many people use us and so many people rely on us and there is a responsibility inherent in that and I'd love for us to stand up and say this responsibility also comes with responsibility, right, which means that we have a role to play, we have a vision to articulate, that we can be a powerful partner and advocate and voice, that although we have always been content to be open as Wikimedia, we want the world to be open too and we're going to do our best to convince them and conjure them and advocate and push to make the world a more open place where knowledge is more freely shared because knowledge is fundamentally powerful and that I think is one of the reasons why we're all here. And I think that, I mean I sort of have alluded to it, but that we, as a community, it's not about building a product, it is about transforming ourselves so that we are the support structure, we are this infrastructure, we are here as this neutral trusted reliable party that so many organizations can agree to work with, can agree to partner with, feel good about partnering with and then that we offer them value in return, not just by making more things available on our projects but ensuring that more people are able to see all of the wonderful information that exists in archives, in academic libraries, in other institutions that is available to the world so that more people can fully share in it. But, Christophe and I didn't write the strategic direction, you did, this is not about the two of us, this is about all of us together. And so we've talked at you for about 10 minutes but we want to shake up the format, no more formal keynote. You may have noticed that there are more chairs on this stage than people and what we thought is in light of the fact that we had a collaborative strategic direction, let's have a collaborative interpretation of what it means. And so we wanted to invite four other Wikimedians up here to join us to talk a little bit about how what they see, what their vision of this future actually means and they represent very different communities, very different languages, very different projects, very different hopes, aspirations, individual contributors, affiliates, and at least five languages, at least. So with that... So please welcome Yvonne Martinez from Wikimedia Mexico, Merva Salam from Wikimedia, the Wikimedians of Le Bon. I'm French, Le Bon. I know, I know. Magnus Menx, I don't know, Magnus Menx, I'm not sure I need to present him. He's kind of the rock star. And Anastasia Sangupita from With Knowledge. And Yvonne will be moderating our conversation, so... Yeah. Thanks so much, Catherine. And Christopher made this possible, I think. We want to run an informal conversation. But first, I want to present... I know that many of us knows about these amazing persons that I love and respect too much. But I want only to first present who are here in this great panel. We're centering the marginalized, give us a minute. First, Merva Salam has been an editor on Wikimedia since 2012 and has been an Arabic Wikipedia since 2013. Also, she's a founding member of Wikimedians of Le Bon, user group, and active member of the global Wikimedia community, of course. She's also organized the 2015 Wikirabia. Let's clap for her. Magnus Menx, of course, is a senior staff scientist at the Wellcome Trustsanger Institute in Cambridge, UK, and a software developer of one of the first versions of the Media Wiki software. Magnus has worked at the Wellcome Trustsanger Institute since April 2007 and remains an active contributor to Wikipedia and its sister projects Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons. And Anastasia Sengupta is the co-founder of Whose Knowledge, Global Campaign, which aims to correct the skewed representation of knowledge on the Internet. She has worked in India across the global south and internationally for over 20 years and previously, and maybe you remember, previously worked as a chief randomly making officer at the Wikimedia Foundation. We want to open the conversation first with the one open question, I think, one more open question for each of us. So what does the Merva, what does this vision of Wikimedia 2030 means for you and for your communities? All right, so as I come from an emerging community that represents millions of people, we know that we are still getting step by step and we need to be involved in all decisions that will be made to establish a stable and cohesive and sustainable base or platform based on which we can build. So as an emerging committee we think that there are opportunities and there are also challenges that we have to come over them. So we need to collaborate together, collaborate with other communities and collaborate with the organization and local communities and external communities to come over all challenges that we know are there and open channels through which we can reach the knowledge that we know it's there but it's not open maybe. So there are a lot of chances for us to go on and build something that will last maybe forever, not only for 30 years. Thanks so much Merva. And for you Magnus. Well I'll take a viewpoint of technology more than people and I think we do have some challenges coming up. There are billions of people going to join the internet and access media, Wikimedia projects through mobile devices primarily. There are also other ways that Wikipedia has access now. Google and Amazon have their speech devices you talk to and ask questions and they use our content but both formats don't really lend themselves for the traditional long text editing of Wikipedia and so we need to find some ways to accommodate this and get people to find our project and contribute to that through these new formats through mobile phones through speech through text and so on. I think we also have some challenges that companies do use our content but not link back to us. We need to present a more attractive target and I think the way to do that is not to get people to comments or to Wikipedia or to to Wikidata but to one project that joins all these things together and there's a strength in there that is I think very attractive one that's presented in the right way where people can get the text and they can get the files and they can get the data and they can get the sources all in one place. Yeah that's a concern that emerged in many opinions in the strategy about that's a equity of technology devices and new codes and the things that we come in the future no in the internet thanks and for you Ana Suya. Monica and Adab and many other languages of those here. I think it's been really interesting for me and the communities that I'm both embedded in and work with to think about the strategic process as a process not just about the future but about the now and so I'm going to try and combine in a way Meravats talk of people and communities and Magnus is the Magnus oh my god I'm sitting next to the Magnus. Magnus is of technology because essentially our strategic direction has to be about both we are an intensely political socio-technical system we're an intensely political socio-technical movement and for me the affirmation about being truly global is an affirmation and it is an intention but I also want to remind us that for most of the world it is the now it's not the future. 75 percent of the population that is online today is from the global south and if anyone has got their bingo cards global south there I gave it to you. That 75 percent is not represented online on the internet through their knowledge through their histories through the design and architecture of the internet and unfortunately certainly not on our projects yet and so even as we think about the future I think about the now deeply and what are the ways in which we can bring our communities both on Wikipedia who are already on Wikipedia and those who still need to be on Wikipedia together in this strategic direction of infrastructure and service. I really like the fact that we're talking about it as infrastructure because I think there's a way in which we need to move from seeing ourselves as product and being in service as you said earlier Catherine to the world. We are in service to the world about and through free and open knowledge and we are in service to each other to bring ourselves online in the fullest way possible so that's the hope and aspiration I see. Thanks so much Anasuya for this intervention and considering the opinion of Anasuya Merbat what role do you see and the partnerships are playing in the in the strategy of Wikimedia. Okay so we compete each other so communities can't work individually we are a global community movement that should go hand in hand towards our directions and strategies so partnerships are important they have to be laid right you have to define your targeted partnerships well so that you can reach smoothly. We know that there are difficulties there are failures but we have to learn from each other from our success stories and from what happened during these long years how we can benefit from the the movements the success that have been made to to move on I mean with with stable steps and this partnership is really needed because communities cannot be closed or capsult so I mean each community have their own plans and these plans have to be shared and strengthen and we know that partnerships maybe between the communities themselves people who are presented here are okay but we have other open space to do more partnerships with external parties the universities the organizations here and there we know that they can benefit the organization and movement they have things to to cooperate with but we have to learn how to get to them directly we have to get the interest I mean we have to uncover the interests they have we have to find this balance the when to when situation so that they really come happily and do these partnerships we are looking for yeah of course we don't know the precise routes we don't know exactly how we we will walk I mean there are trials some we have some success stories for example the partnership with UNESCO for example this was successful so we can benefit from how it was made people can't share I I don't know who who was on top of that but this was something good that we can study as a success story and we can mimic it right okay great Magnus in in a more technical part that you are deeply involved we know we many of us know about your all the your deployments your developments so what kind of technical changes it needs to happen in order for us to achieve this vision huh yeah big big question yeah no it's I think one one direction what we have already had lots of successes is mobile both in the mobile browser mobile app I think there's a lot of potential there especially we need to integrate the other projects beyond Wikipedia more because some of them actually lend themselves much better to mobile than long text on Wikipedia so for example comments uploads from mobile I think is something that's really needed and they would integrate with the nearby feature in the in the app and with the descriptions coming from Wikidata and so that's already merging together but I think there's a lot more room to develop there I think we should also not shy away from trying out maybe the odd outlandish sounding ID not going to give any examples but I think we are we're in a position right now where we are at the forefront of open knowledge and we are respected more or less in general and we can we have the we have the room to to experiment with things and to fail and say okay we tried the system doesn't work but this does and I think we should use it because this will not last forever and if you just continue the way we have I think that that trust and respect will slowly shrink over time if we don't do anything with it and if we don't explore that more thanks thanks for your your intervention Magnus and finally Nasuya what we need in your opinion your personal perspective to be a truly global movement because we well thanks for that Ivan it's a really simple answer you know Fatima Mirni see the Moroccan feminist to paraphrase her she once said dogma is when you ask a complex question and you get a simple answer so I'm not going to give you a simple answer and I don't think we should give ourselves simple answers but I want you to do a little exercise for me and then I will offer some thoughts some suggestions I want you to look at the person next to you on your right and on your left do they look like you do they look different do you know where they come from do you know their language do you know how they identify themselves do you know how they feel about being wikipedia nor wiki sorcerer or wiki voyager when this room is a room in which you look at each other and you're constantly surprised by who you sit next to we will be a truly global movement and we're not yet there so now I'm going to get wikipedia and a little just offer some details because you know hey I'm wikipedia and so you know the meta is all very well but let's talk some practicalities and I'd like to put it into I'll offer three examples maybe one is the fact that knowledge itself is if it has to be truly global it has to incorporate the knowledges of the world in a way that our community still struggles with when google did its somewhat ill fated project around google books they did a projection of how many books there are they projected 130 million books in 480 languages 20 percent of which I think are in the public domain right now there are over 7000 languages and dialects in our world today today every language represents a worldview most of our knowledge is oral is embodied and is not on wikipedia because our ways of thinking about references about reliability about verifiability about notability are all based on published peer reviewed methodologies that is not to say that that didn't get us it got us 15 16 years of an extraordinary extraordinary dream of a dream that was you know impossible theory and possible in practice yet it is not the way it is oops there we go uh someone's shutting down my voice uh oh uh oh uh no help um so strategy means or strategic directions mean tradeoffs what happens when the rubber hits the road what happens when we have to make decisions what happens when we're on wikipedia and we have to make decisions about oral citations are we going to show up to that conversation are we going to have it it's a complex difficult conversation but we need to have it languages i'm sitting here with amir right in front of me and i think about languages a lot 7000 languages in the world how do we do localization and integration in a way that makes sense to all of us you know i can say vanakam i can say namaskar i can say adab that sounds really great and i'm wearing a sari so yay but tamar bangla and urdu which are the three languages in which i said hello to you just now are in the top 20 languages they're not in our top 20 wikipedia's i love our esperanto community for instance but esperanto is the 32nd largest wikipedia if there were alien invasions tomorrow because of course you know with the orange ness in um in power that is very possible see another bingo i mentioned him convolutedly um but with an alien invasion tomorrow if they were to look at wikipedia as their way of understanding the world they would think that esperanto is the 32nd most important and spoken language in the world and what i would love to see is for our esperanto community who's fabulous by the way meet an esperanto wikipedia they're fabulous to yes there they are um to help me make my tamar my bangla and my urdu community is stronger how do we do that um what does it take how do we affirm each other if we are affirming each other through edits we have for instance across the world issues of bandwidth and electricity where most wikipedia's will create an article with one edit what happens when we acknowledge and uh affirm each other through article count or bytes does that completely change who we get on our scholarships to come to wikimania things to think about and finally safety and hospitality all of our cultures are deeply embedded in hospitality but what does it mean when you have a wikipedia who has 100 000 edits to their name and comes up and shows shows up as a harrasser or a troll on someone's wikipedia page because they're a woman or they're non-binary or they don't look like them are we going to turn around and say sorry we appreciate those 100 000 edits but you are no longer welcome here those are the trade-offs we have to make those are the decisions we are going to have to make if we truly want to be a global community and now back to you iban what do you think i'm just you told me that i'm only moderated or not so no i think uh my community one one some members of my community told me that uh the the girls who are performing a strong gender gap initiative told me that they know or they know perfectly what they want to achieve but it's some hard to express in in strategic concepts and this kind of this course so i think uh there's no there's no easy answer there's no easy way of of of say some things that we want in the in the in the terms of the future because we don't many of us don't have too much plans for 10 years or five years so it's it's hard to to say what we want in in 30 years but i think i'm very grateful when i talk it with with katharine in musio sumalia in the editon of 72 hours about this uh but she told me that i will explain you in a sheet no in a paper so she see yes you begin to to to to draw the strategy i said wow it's the very first time and i i feel that i can be part of this change like uh there there's some doubts about the the the the pillars with rule this movement and i have strong doubts about some concept that we assume as granted in this movement and i i say i i want to join that effort of strategy and being honest is more than we i supposed in that moment we talk it at the musio sumalia uh well we are getting some minutes i think only a few minutes yes five minutes uh just to to to end this this panel merbat how how does this start to become real this strategy in your context oh yeah so four months there have been discussions and for the the past two days i think there have been also too many discussions around the strategy and directions but what's next i mean we have the thoughts we have too many ideas and people identified their directions and objectives but what are we going to do and how we will um interpret all that into actions this is what's important so there's somehow focus on what agnes was saying about the technique technical things and such because yeah board changes rapidly so we have to run after the changes technologies and we have to decide where are we going in the coming years are we staying for example the desktop the mobile stuff how things change so we have to think also about how to do actions and quickly and for you magnus the same question how does this start to become real well i think that's uh i i i do agree uh with my neighbor here uh on uh on this and in a very pragmatic way it will be the same way we've done uh coding and wikipedia so far which is one line at a time um and in another way i think it's it's um i think we have to change uh some some of the pace so we have been chasing uh the the uh the now for a while on on uh wiki media and especially in the technology there was a lack where uh technology didn't really improve with the rest of the internet and uh i know we're still catching up but i think we need to do more than that i think we need to at least in some points try to get ahead of the game uh and even even if that fails uh we need to um try and we need to show that we are still there and not just just following uh everyone else a few years behind thanks and how does this start to become real for you oh it's already real um and i think really to echo magnus and to talk about it in terms of not just technology but people and attitudes we need to be ahead of the game rather than following and that means we need to understand what it means to show up for each other as allies someone today this morning said beautifully at a panel um allies of the and we can be each other's allies we can show up at each other stock pages and user pages and rfcs to talk about what it means to bring knowledge online in a truly global way but we have to figure out how to do that in a way that centers the leadership and um the histories of marginalized people and remember when i say marginalized that is the majority of the world i come from india where one of my ally roles is to be an ally to dalit bahujans who are 300 million people who have been oppressed through the caste apartheid system and for them bringing their knowledge online is not just an act of courage it is an act of deep epistemic injustice that they are writing and for me to be an ally in that is to remember that no one is free and no knowledge is free till all of us are free and all knowledge is free anything to say kathryn i saw you and i do one do you want to add some things we were allowed to comment yeah no censorship um i mean i i i deeply appreciate the perspectives that you've all brought here and you did see me nodding because i i loved evan the comment you made that so many of our wick comedians have a sense of the vision of the future but may not know exactly what the strategic way to express that is and one thing that someone said to me yesterday is that hopefully going forward if a strategic direction is to make more knowledge available to the world in a more structured way to magnus's point so that it can be reused in different manners and queried and searched and organized and redistributed and shared and curated in different ways it actually makes every edit more meaningful it makes every edit more valuable because it means that more people will see it it means that more people will be able to interact with that knowledge and so i think that there's been this tension that i've heard around we want to move into a place where we're taking on a greater role we have this ambition for our projects is how they might truly make not just the impact on the world that they already have but an impact on the world that honest to you just described but also this little bit of this fear of does that mean we have to leave everything behind everything that got us here and i think to magnus's point we should push ourselves we should think about how we move forward we should be okay with failing a little bit um maybe even failing a little bit more than a little bit just not failing a lot um and in doing so we can have the space to both move forward but also celebrate what has gotten us here because every edit every contribution can be more valuable when contributions reflect more people more ways of contributing and more ways of sharing absolutely and christoph something to say quick yeah um and so actually i agree it is already real especially to me um because as i've said since i've joined the wikimedia movement i've had this discussion had this endless discussion about what we would dream of what the wikimedia movement could do and could be for the world and that has been 12 years um that's a long time and the fact is that today with that draft strategic direction it it is the first time that i'm totally comfortable having that discussion at any single point in time with any single person in the room because there is a shared thing that is structured that is existing that is written and that um is a base for the discussion to happen and i'm pretty sure that we could debate and argue about what is that in that document until very late tonight and i'm pretty sure we will uh but we will be talking about the same thing all of us all together so the discussion is happening uh the change is happening because the second you're starting to discuss about that you are starting to consider it a possibility you're starting to consider that yep perhaps we need to think about all the things people that we are not thinking about um and so it's already real and the the last thing i'd say is and i'm sorry i'm sharing that and um but this is something that is uh meaning a lot to me personally but um it also means that we are starting to have another conversation is what do we as this generation of Wikimedians you call them second generation what do we want our legacy to be and when you ask the question about what do i want my legacy to be as a person is to whom who is going to benefit from my legacy and the fact is it is not the person we are providing content and knowledge to if we think down the line in 2030 who is going to who should be and who will be benefiting from the wiki media products and content and communities it is not people from the us and europe it is the rest of the world and that is also that thing that is important that document that's what is real is that we start having those discussions thinking a lot about what it is now and you said it's in the app but also who is going to be there tomorrow and who is going to benefit from that tomorrow and how do we make sure that we're going to be prepared for them and provide them with the right thing so i don't know okay thanks so much mervad magnus anasuya katery kristoff for joining this panel and for everyone we encourage you to go to the multiple strategy sessions over the weekend and also stop by the strategy space to wrestle these questions thanks so much and all right before you go everyone i'm going to tell you about some parties some parties they're going to take some photos i'm going to tell you about parties there is a bar on the third floor go check out the posters and have your 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