 So according to the title she says that we can still get build back better at this point. It is completely dead and gone Stick a fork in it. It's it's over build back better is dead and I do not expect it to even be seriously discussed Ever again But apparently she's gonna be asked about this. I haven't watched this yet So I don't know what she's gonna say But she's apparently still optimistic and I'd like to know why she has more insight insight than I do obviously But let's just let's watch and especially a voice as mean as that one. Let's talk about build back better You know as I said in the intro Congress comes back build back better At least trying to get it reworked into the president's desk is on the agenda You wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post a week ago today Laying down a marker. I want to have you listen to what congressman Ro Khanna Also, the Congressional Progressive Caucus of California had to say when I asked him about the future of build back better. Have a listen Do I think it's going to be the bill that we voted out of the house? No Do I think it's going to be the exact framework the president Biden had? No, I'm a realist and here's the point We in the house are stand ready to compromise. We want to get something done So what we need the 50 senators to tell us is what are you for in the president and the house will work to getting something done and a Compromise that is necessary for the American public I'm sorry. I have deposit right there Ro Khanna, I think that you're great in many ways, but you're not a realist and What would really help me is if some of these folks would just come out and admit that they were wrong and they were Redupt by Democratic Party leadership Did any of you catch the interview that jen you grant to IT had with Ro Khanna before they passed the bipartisan infrastructure deal? Ro Khanna said I believe that Joe Biden and Joe Manchin made a deal and this is going to get done That's why we're essentially caving not his words mine, but that's why we're caving That's why we're voting for bipartisan infrastructure That didn't happen So at some point I would like to know that they're reflecting on the situation reflecting on their strategic failure and They're they're learning from it, right? So so what he says there that's the result of giving up your leverage, man Oh, we just need this the 50 senators to tell us what they what they want We're willing to compromise. They got what they want. You knew what they wanted They wanted that corporate toll road bill and you gave it to them Ro So What incentive did the corporate Democrats have to pass even a watered-down version of build back better Joe Manchin? I believe doesn't even support the one-year expansion of the early childhood tax credit Democrats were rightfully boasting about how the early childhood tax credit cut childhood poverty in half But now it's expired and you have fuck all going into the midterms. So Joe Manchin doesn't even want that So I just I feel like it would be really cathartic and useful if they communicate to us and they let us know that they've learned from this experience and They fucked up, but even like with Pramila Jayapal a couple of weeks ago. Didn't she say something to the effect of oh Well, I actually don't regret anything I don't know what the specific quote was but it's just to think that after you got rolled is honestly Comically naive and I honestly feel sad for her. Yeah, she disappoints. I mean these folks are great progressives Pramila Jayapal writes phenomenal legislation This is the author of the Medicare for all act, which is the best version of the Medicare for all bill It's better than Bernie's bill But there's a difference between being a good progressive and writing good legislation and being a leader and look you just have to admit that Pramila Jayapal doesn't have leadership qualities I Mean I'm a progressive. I'm anti-capitalist. Does that mean that I would be competent as a leader? Probably not because I'm not very argumentative Maybe I'm not as assertive as other people like you want someone in leadership That's gonna bust fucking skulls or at least be a little bit more assertive But I don't think that Rokana has that quality. I don't think that Pramila Jayapal has that quality I think that somebody who does have that quality is possibly Corey Bush Maybe someone like Nina Turner We need to get a Shama so one in Congress because she has that quality. It's just yeah, bad tactician J Ty, that's it. So let's see what she has to say here Yeah, Congresswoman Jayapal what I took from congressman Kanna's statement there is that we stand ready to compromise and that the bill A new build back better. Yeah, you know what as well what we've been talking about for months now So from your vantage point what absolutely needs to be in the new version of build back better Well, I mean this conversation is so irrelevant What needs to be in the version to even pass any version at this point would be a minor miracle. So I Guess I'm trying to find the point of this entire conversation because it's not gonna pass So the the point of talking about it right now. What should be in it? We're beyond that now. It's just are you gonna pass anything because it seems like it's over in fact I know it's over nothing the thing that I tried to lay out in the op-ed was the process that got us to where we are Which included an agreement from senators mansion and cinema and the president and that the progressive caucus endorsed What we're calling the framework that the president laid out before he went to but you can't trust their words These are corporate Democrats and they don't answer to you. They don't care about keeping their word to you They care about appeasing their corporate overlords and that might seem like an oversimplification but it really is the reality of the situation it is and I don't like being critical of people like Pramila Jayapal because she's done good things as leader of the CPC Just today. She actually Signed a letter endorsing packing the Supreme Court adding four more justices. I think that's fantastic Finally, somebody is explicitly saying it She is calling on Joe Biden to stop with the continuation of the destruction of Medicare It's a privatization scheme that started in the Trump years and Biden is continuing that so she does good things She's a great leader in the sense that she can effectively communicate a progressive policy message but when it comes to getting things done and Tactics and Negotiations, I feel like she just she's proven that she isn't able to get it done Is she this naive or does she think we are Terry? That's a question. I'm asking myself lately and again I feel bad, you know criticizing someone who ideologically I align with probably like on 95% of the issues but there's a difference between Governing and supporting policies right and you have to know how to govern you want to be effective to get these Progressive policies codified into law 86 and it had the critical priorities not as big as we would want not as you know Not as many as we would want but it had the critical priorities of the care economy. That's child care It's pre-k universal pre-k elder care Those were all things that senator mansion agreed to in addition housing. He agreed to that These are things I've spoken to him about as well by the way he also agreed to You know the provisions around climate change those were already negotiated from what we had originally wanted but a Significant investment in really taking on climate and reducing carbon emissions. That was absolutely critical He agreed to health care some pieces of health care To strengthen the ability for people to get health care particularly important now during Omicron These were all pieces that he actually agreed to in my conversations with him as well He supported and my belief is that we can still get that done and so the God now is to do two Two things one work very quickly to actually get that legislation passed It's urgent along with voting rights those two pieces Absolutely urgent on the legislative calendar and then the second is because we don't know how long that piece is gonna take There are executive actions that the president can take today to actually make life better for people and to you know Let's say up the ante a little bit to make sure that we do get legislation done because the other path has to be executive action So I think we will be rolling out our list of things that we want the president to work on he began that by Saying that he was gonna put a pause on on student debt Extend that pause beyond the original date. That's good, but we would like him to cancel student debt We'd like him to take some aggressive actions on climate And a few other things to cut costs for American people So that's really what we're calling on the president this so for her to call on him to cancel student debt I mean, this is all good But the problem is that you can tell him this but he's not necessarily going to cancel student debt because You're disappointed that you didn't get billed back better the way that you get things done is you force them to do this So, you know, I would have basically Not voted for the infrastructure bill unless I got a guarantee or Him signing that executive order that he's gonna cancel student debt that would have been more reasonable, right? If they voted on bipartisan infrastructure before the Senate voted on billed back better If you got Biden to cancel student debt before you cast your vote that would have been a lot more reasonable But now it's a little bit too late again Like I don't want you to think that I'm shitting on her for making these recommendations because what she's saying here is correct But yeah, a text and says she's she thinks she's playing 3d chess But Nancy Pelosi is playing her like a tuba in a jazz band. Yeah. Yeah, as much as I hate Nancy Pelosi She unfortunately is very effective at crushing progressive goals And just like steamrolling the progressive congressional caucus Thank you so much cutthroat by the way for the 90 bits. I really appreciate that So you you said just now that you believe you can still get that done meaning the framework That you just let you laid out there, but I'm still sitting here thinking How are you going to get that done when the guy you were negotiating with and who you say agreed to all these things? said That he quote just can't That's a good question. He said he just can't do the bill that we passed out of the house which Look, I you know, I you know how I feel about this. I've told senator mansion directly somebody I I certainly respect him and he represents a state Where not a lot of I know that she thinks she has to say this but don't ever say that you respect Joe Manchin Nobody should respect Joe Manchin Joe Manchin is a scumbag Joe Manchin is lucky that people don't yell at him every time, you know, they see him on the streets and call him a sellout I mean more people are doing that but this this person is I mean, he's the fall guy But nonetheless he wants to be the fall guy for Joe Biden. He's obstructing Everything voting rights pulled back better. I mean Don't say you respect Joe Biden that triggered me that's when and so I respect That he has a very different view of this But he said he couldn't do the bill that we passed through the house And as you remember we added some things that were not in the framework And so what we hope now and what I know the president is working on with senator Manchin is to go back To the original framework that he committed to There were only a few things that maybe 10% of the bill that was not what he committed to And I think that it was unfortunate that he you know announced on national television that he was essentially killing the bill because There was a little bit that he hadn't agreed to but let's go back to the table Let's get this done It is too important for us particularly as Omicron surges and we have these clouds over us Jonathan the clouds of The economic uncertainty because of COVID again, they don't care you can you can talk about all the issue Joe Manchin couldn't care less. He doesn't give a flying fuck Half the country could literally be on fire and he wouldn't care but I mean, this is why Progressives like myself were just begging members of the congressional progressive caucus to not vote on bipartisan infrastructure until the Senate passes build back better because now you have no leverage now she has to accept whatever Joe Manchin is going to Support he can support like one provision from build back better and now if he does that then he'll be paraded around as a hero It's so unreasonable when he's not It's just yeah, Jay Tide it you nailed it. It's exhausting. I feel exasperated talking about this It's so fucking exhausting folks. I don't know what else to say and of course the the enormous cloud of our of our Democracy that is in front of us Joe Biden Democrats need to succeed in helping Americans to see that we can get stuff done and that we are going to make their lives Better and that we are going to protect our land is the most important thing congresswoman How's it going Lance welcome? So good to see you here. He's very cozy. He is snoring. I'm not sure if you can hear his snoring, but He's snoring really loud Spoken to senator Manchin since he blew things up I spoke to him the day after His his conversation on fox news. He called me and we spoke then I've not spoken to him since that time But I am always happy to speak to him and think about how we get it back to that original framework Jonathan I do I do have to say that as much as you know, we are pushing hard on these fronts And we haven't yet reached the finish line I want to remind people that under president biden and with the democratically controlled house and senate We have at this time last year. We had over 800 000 unemployment claims that has declined by 75 Percent and we've created. Okay. I think that we're we're good. We've exhausted this clip Um, I just feel really frustrated. I feel really frustrated