 అీనావాకాక చార్మ్లెడిందిాకధిందితాధాకార్న్ర్, . కాని. పశిస్వా, పయనితాడిచాని, టతోటర్గారికికాసినింని. తేన్చేగాన్దాదులె నీంత్త్న్చేంాస్రునైన్ట్న్చేచేట్పైరుకారుమ్స్ల్ంతోయేవారురు. చాపనుకరు రురుచిముకైసలేభతోదా. this is about to talk about volleyball and the sports that gets to another level. Kioni was also the Deputy President of the CIVB and a member of the FIVB and Deputy Vice President, Nock so it is a big gap that has been left by Waidaka Kioni but that will be a story for another day. What do you remember him for, because you worked closely, you worked together, and you would have started to clarify? I worked with Qoni for the last 23 years, and he's an amazing man. He does not, what I can remember about him is, never look at the rear window, always look ahead. No matter how the bumpy the situation is ahead, make sure that you do not waste time looking at the rear window. But there are so many other things that we shall discuss maybe later on another programme. Now let's talk about what's coming up, and it's waning, but I understand the Volvo fix is currently under national stadium, right? Very poor planning, very poor planning, I must say, from the department of SOS, because we out of booked an indoor arena. But the indoor arena was booked by Basketball because they have their play-offs, you and I know. And it was done, held as character, maybe to sweet one-ones-will, but that's a story again for another day. We are planning from our end, and I own up as an executive member of NEK. Because right now, as we are talking, they are out, they are sheltering themselves because of the rain. Literally, we know that this should happen. And I think also, if we do not have an indoor arena, we should be contacting the meteorological department to get to know about the state of atmosphere in the next 24, I mean fortnight for us to plan well. And considering you've spoken about a critical point of proper planning in advance, and I made these weather conditions where it's raining unexpectedly, it's quite unpredictable, and probably them getting in touch with KMT is a necessity. Do you think we need to also improvise facilities going forward because there has been scarcity of the same? At the time, I mean, it is overdue, we must say. I think as volleyball, we should also have our own arena. We can't just be sitting and expecting to book from Nyayo, Kasarani, I mean, and these are the institutions that do have their gymnasium. I think time is ripe now for us to think of our own land and the construction of a simple gymnasium like we have it in Egypt, in Tunisia, in Morocco, Algeria. I was in Italy. They belong to the Federation. Yes, they belong to the Federation. I mean, why should we be beggars for the rest of our lives? At least we should have been able to open our own gym, have our league on and then complain but die that we do not have more than enough, but we have at least one of our own. Ken, as a governor of Deste University, I understand in schools and colleges and teacher institutions, sports is something that draws a lot of attention and admiration from majority of students and I am quite sure there are those who are passionate about volleyball. Is there a drawback of a gymnasium for those who want to practice? How do they go about it? I think from an institution, we mainly sit completely outdoors. There is no indoor arena for us to do this and there is no competition that our volleyball team participates in the KUSA league. It is always outdoors we see and even though it is outdoors, there is still the thing of sharing between three or more sports. So, you know, it is not outright a volleyball pitch, it is not outright the volleyball players can come and say it is our time to train here so that also hinders their preparation in a lot of games not only for institution but I have not seen any other institution with the indoor arena so we always have to play volleyball outside and I think what Mr. Boudia said is right because we need to assess before we plan we need to know what is going to happen before we put the games out because sometimes weather conditions can be extreme as today they can be extreme in the rain but they can also be extreme heat so I think with proper planning in the institution we can ensure that the outdoor volleyball grows to something that you know something that can develop into a national type of thing. And that is a problem for facilities especially at the institutional level considering that when it comes to sanctioned international competition seats an indoor sport completely do you think failure to use a proper gymnasium for this training practice and now when it comes to competitive events you have to use facilities you are not used to to hamper the performance as well. I have been in this office now for the last five years because of the delay we also have had our Uchagusi last year in the month of April now we are in April and the last five years Kenya has not hosted any single tournament international that tells you one thing we do not have enough facilities and because the number of times these people have come to look at these facilities they realize that we only have Kasaranya's gymnasium even the facility that we are using in Nyaya for basketball it is actually meant for basketball because the height is supposed to be of a certain level to answer your question directly we have not been able to host in the last five years and there has not been that mentorship because when I was young I remember going to the gymnasium I mean in bombers of Kenya to see Kenya player against Egypt Cameroon, Algeria, name it today the young ones who are in primary school and secondary school they have not seen any team from outside maybe the only advantage they have is the current TV and Google but seeing it live in Kenya it has not happened because of what you are talking about lack of facilities it is the high time we stop mass volleyball because what you are talking about at the university that is mass volleyball even the type of a ball that we use indoor is different from what is used outside so it becomes very difficult even for the importers of the balls to know how many balls we import for the indoor how many do we import for the outdoor so and those balls are damn expensive you and I know because a ball goes at about 6,000 for the pimpled one for indoor goes about 8,000 so even planning even for buying this ball becomes a problem it is the high time now we move from outdoor we go indoor we only leave the outdoor game for beach volleyball and you know that boils down to administrators of the sport someone was had written something this morning and I was going through and I think even our failure as Kenyan sports to grow and get to another level in terms of development is also attributed to what we have at the helm in charge of people you know who are supposed to govern and see the administrative aspect of federation just pursuing self interest at the behest of you know players double it up with the lack of resources interest of watches I had we only think about our pockets what we gain when I go for all African games how much money how many dollars am I going to put in my pocket I do not go there to study and find out what are the Moroccans doing to promote the game of volleyball about other games and so when we come down here when doing our reports back to the national sports council for it to be presented to the minister what do I put down there for way forward instead of just putting down problem problems problems we also look at way forward and this has not been happening and I can tell you and I am saying this in blue day right I think majority of us in sports we are not after the development we are after one staying in power taking the I mean the revenue once we retire we normally get a comfort zone where we go to our safaris outside the country at the expense of a threat in this country it's a matter of time and take note of this Uganda they are going to beat us in the next few years because they have really developed structures we are talking in the month of April all their threats in Uganda are in camps and they put the camps the national coach they get coaches from outside and they pick one student who is well versed with the game he is also attached to a given camp these people are looking far the ministry of sports is under the ministry of education in Uganda but the assistant minister who is in charge of sports goes to the cabinet to talk about issues sports this is how serious these people are where did I get this when we went for East African games everybody from the ministry of education and sports they were all there including the ministry of sports yes the national sports council was there that will be a research that you need to do because I leave it to you because I am also part of the system I got shocked because the national sports chairman of Uganda was there taking note basketball why are we not doing well the commissioner of sports from Uganda was there the minister because he is an assistant minister was there the commissioner of sports back home the last time I remember was Godo Nolochi do you have someone at the helm of that position right now I did not come here to name names because right now the director the change that term to director of sports right now is Mr. Gitonga but as I have said I did not come here to discredit those who are in position because I will also maybe be there tomorrow if the time allows and you never know how I will also fear on I am saying it is the high time we call ourselves a small meeting who are we who do we present what do we want in the next 30 years where do we want to go if we do not have a strategic plan my worry is Uganda Rwanda Burundi much as they don't have money because they did beat our team in Burundi yes the other day beach volleyball Tanzania they are waking up Kenya will be Rwanda they are building facilities the time has been at the forefront they have the best the sports facility if you are chairman of volleyball you have a bus you have an office do you even have an office Kenya volleyball federation you may not be aware we don't we use somebody's office to do our meeting but that's a story for another day if we keep lamenting without giving solution then we are done I am happy the current minister has said that once that house is complete the knock house we shall have all the federation there before we go there what are we doing by the time we go there do we have our facilities what is the role of government in development of sports one, facilitation two, we should not be lamenting the government wants it to give you a new way to go to academy at the way it is after PESA if the government has given you a tick you should appreciate that the government has given you an environment to do your activities we cannot be crying from January to December we have not been facilitated by the government we do not have air ticket what are we doing also from our end to make sure that we go to the government we manage to get the air ticket what we cannot afford is accommodation in that other country and that way we move as a unit Ken you and I probably would agree and read from the same script because as a product of Upper Hill and you know this is a supremo when it comes to having been a principle of some prolific high school in the country you must have seen talents rising through the ranks but you know immediately after they are done with school you never get to see them afterwards not only in volleyball, rugby, basketball, football and there is lack of continuity the follow up from high school to university in terms of sports and looking at these sportsmen who are really great during the high school years is really really low because you never see most of them breaking into the league teams and making it even to university to play the same sport it's really really low and I think that's because there is too much dependence on your academic grade rather than the sports because you can be a great volleyball player and not be that good in academics so that means they have to push you to make something of your life with the volleyball and that's what's not happening because people tend to quit even though they are very highly targeted they don't see it as a career something that they can live off for the rest of your life so they end up just quitting and hoping for the best but in terms of growing the sport and facilitation I think that's why we really need to improve as a country because as Mr. Boodi again was saying what are the people in those positions doing because as much as government needs to step in you cannot be highly dependent on government because we look at the other countries volleyball, football they have the capacity to bring for their own sponsors and their own partnerships to have them put something on their training gear to get them everything so that falls down to the federation itself rather than government so that's where the real work needs to be done and I'm happy that he passed through the hands of Mr. Orero when Orero was the deputy principal Apahil together with my son and in 1990 the best athletes in Kenya volleyball federation were getting them from the university in 1986 the deputy president was the setter of Nairobi University here with the engineer I mean with the architect Lusweti with the Hangati Alfred Alfred Hangati the coach was Onyango the husband of Jerry Onyango the lawyer we had very many other athletes that we get Jeremy Acione the MP Daragua for a long time he was top at that level and they were moving to the Kenya volleyball federation from the university today it's only one man by the name Kamara whom we are getting from the university to the national team there is total completely disconnect between the university and the current federation and this is cost worry we cannot just be studying without using because when they are in that age that is when they are in their prime age except maybe for the swimmers because swimmers are supposed to be good at the age less than 24 so it is a cost worry and we should ask ourselves starting with the president of KUSA Mr. Morevi whom you should call here and be able to synchronize whatever I am talking about here why are we not manufacturing a threat from the university what do we need to do so that at least they can join the national team I know rugby has a few I know other games have a few but they are not as the numbers that we used to have even the president himself was in a volleyball team at the University of Nairobi those days and he was a super we are talking about 1990 and later 80s including myself I think the show is not mine you see I am really listening to your insights and what do we do for the future of these sports and now that you know people have been at the helm have not done much we can't really lament and you know grumble just like you indicated I want us to follow what the minister did say we sit down take a back seat look at the countries around us you know for a number of years we were training basket bowlers and volley bowlers from south Sudan you get my point until we came up with the rule in secondary school you cannot play a foreigner in one game when they are over over three at a game you can have three in the bench but we were just manufacturing young men from outside the country from Rwanda, Burundi, Tanzania we realized what are we doing wait a minute this was David Googie let's restrict the numbers to make sure that we have our own in the field that is point number one two we must make sure that we also not copy but be ahead of what Ugandan are doing what they were diesel doing some of the best facilities that is where we are going the other years we are taking our own to go and train we have any single now expatriate in Rwanda soon we are going to import from Rwanda to come and train our own it's a matter of time but then your question is what we do we need to sit down we need a very serious politics scandal we need a serious talk where we involve all the stakeholders without looking at how much money I'll be paid after that seminar it is what I'll contribute put down and then have it used in future because I think we are taking how many years before taking part in olympics and you know Paul Bittock 16 good years inspired the team yes KKK played his parts they exactly played their parts the support when they are going to the gym sometimes you go down into a pocket to know our support Natafutazile Kukuzangu Kenchik the Savloons and what have you when they are in the camp you psych them it is an effort of everyone it is not just an individual I'm not saying that Bittock did not play part but because Bittock came how many days before the preparation just a month before they went for qualifier in Cameroon so it was an effort of everyone and Keoni played a very great role made his soul rest in peace because he was persistent when we do not have accommodation we talk to the manager of sports view where he had a problem and they would be accommodated there then we pay later so it is something that was an effort of everyone the media also played a very great role you encourage the young girls and then ultimately our conventional volleyball made it to the Olympic our beach volleyball also made it that is history in making and these federation need to have their own revenue stream so that you know when it comes to accommodation of players probably the government will come in handy when it comes to this international championship facilitation flights but you see these local entities and competitions we can have our own kit that you know facilitated the same it is indeed supposed to be the case I agree with you entirely under this notion of Kenya and Serecharis idea Serecharis idea should die away because what you are supposed to be doing is also coming I agree with the minister entirely we must tell the minister how much money we are getting from FIVB yes of course how much are you getting from FIVB how much are you getting from CAVB by the time we give you what we are giving you to be a person who can pay our needs and need me we don't have to do the double payment and Kenya we have that problem you have seen the governor pay school fees for a student the MCA pays for the same student the MP pays for the same the women rep pays for the and then Nasindo is a person how much are you getting from this structure your governor MCA MPs I mean a women rep to engage in the same sport it is the same thing in sports then once we put it on the table that is a mechanic Kenya may pay for development money 20 million we will be a minister from today we do not want you to help us in the hotel under the camps that we have I will close the board that way we shall move as a team otherwise what is happening in Kenya to naibha pesa kutua kwayin fuku to naibha kwayin gine and then we kill our future your son, daughter will not be able to develop in this country to key in the layer now I have to come and move here come around the office to come now it is the high time at any media to scrutinize same who you move to does it in the support sport although he supports his family and his pocket and ken I think going forward that will restore order in kenyan sports because you have seen what the government is doing and see a sport because even WRC rally championship we told the organizers how can you be using 2.6 billion for a 3 day event and I think the same thing is asking kenya valuable fraternity to account on the resources they get from FIV and the same should you not equal to across all federations where most of it goes you know it doesn't go to them maybe the players the technical bench you know it goes to people maybe the corporate side and that's a huge question because if you cannot take care of the prime resource which is the player I think that's why we really fail even the development because we cannot create superstars from any sport in this country because at some point we are supposed to travel we are supposed to take part in the BSWR7 series and players are taking to social media too vent their frustrations over non-payment I'll give you a good example yes this is a man-eat-man society I go get the money from whichever company take for example this is Sablon these are my supporters for volleyball for many years over 11 years and they have been giving volleyball a million every year learn this tournament and we account to the letter and what we told them we do not want to handle that cash do it to yourself and just come during the final give the winners the cheques buy the uniform yourself do everything give us only we got money going through you yes give us only 100,000 to pay the referees you see and then they found and they were very comfortable if you are not asking us that one million we are going to support you until the cows come home unfortunately covid came and because the company the headquarter is in South Africa we have not been able now to host it from 2018 but we were able to agree with them it is not a matter of money even Dipit Dipit company they sponsor my beach volleyball I tell them we don't need that money keep it 100,000 is for their threat 100,000 is for X, Y, Z come with the cheques give the winners and give your product to the winners do you think federation chiefs can accept that from corporates because safari commanders and mobile service provider always wants to use that formula criteria while supporting Kenyan sporting activities there are many people who are seeing me on eyes and stone they are thinking when they take the money they will say 100,000 is for the party 100,000 is for the party 100,000 is for the party 100,000 is for the party 100,000 is for the party yes and that is the reality after coming here that is why we do not develop sports in this country and not just there I would have named other institution but that it was not name naming but you can find out even from the government whether that is what happens the previous government sorry to say I rest my case so beach volleyball how is it like beach volleyball I told you it is like fire in hamatan it's growing it's growing because of the strong wind and passing through a the dry grass I can tell you we had a very success of beach volleyball in mombasa sponsored by deepit and our threes went home with the money and other than that we were able to be supported by other companies who gave us their product we want to thank the big tree hotel because they give us the venue and we had a fantastic fantastic beach tour which was our last one for the year 2022 we are now planning for year 2023 on Saturday if I am thrown out by the delegates for not working I have said yes I did my bit and what I will do I will just take the person who has defeated me take him to my sponsors not to break the hearts the momentum and I am not saying that I am going to be beaten that even happened because it has happened I can tell you the last time I was beaten I was beaten because of Savlon they said Boudia gets a million and you know the kawid went round that way and people are convinced delegates are convinced the MD from the company said what come and ask me how this money does what but already I was where I was out there was no time now to say no the MD has said it never happened so you are saying the question was how we doing we have set up the structures are still there I must thank Moringa I must thank Oino I must thank Ruth Ropp and sorry because of being there for last it has been working as an engine I must say well oiled and the sky is there in it our target now is 2024 that is next year Pali 2024 Olympics and all african games the Ghanians I am told they have pushed it to next year so next year we shall have african games in Ghana and and Olympic in but we didn't participate one game in Morocco which will affect us big time because volleyball a beach volleyball and like the convection of volleyball you must earn point what you call homorogated tour we missed one homorogated tour in Morocco and that one is going to hit us so I don't want to bring the person who will come over and say that now they have started doing badly already we have that disadvantage of that one game that we missed thank you for coming through Moses Mubia Kenya volleyball affection deputy treasurer talking to us about you know the upcoming KVF election said for next weekend on Saturday and its all systems go preparations have been finalized to make sure that there is proper transitioning after you know passed on and it was buried in midweek on Wednesday and you know Charles Nyaber who is always seeking to get elected in the same capacitor in top seat is acting in that particular docket as we wait for the elections and wish you good luck and all the very best thank the president he was very emotional she cried throughout the zoom meeting and also she sent the president of zone 5 the president from Rwanda was here and he went all the way to Kiamwangi and buried Mr. Kiyoni so the African continent was well represented the president from Togo sent his message the president from Zambia quite a number you can see what what Mr. Kiyoni was was box energy parties and he wrote kinda moments when we got wanted by and the last