 What have you achieved at the age of 25? That is if you are past 25, what have you achieved by the age of 25? Or if you are 25 now, what have you achieved now? Or if you are younger, what shall you have achieved at the age of 25? I am talking about a lady called Jacinta Joki who was here recently on the strength of a woman who has done her masters, is organizing events and doing a lot at the age of 25. That was then and now we are on the topic of the day, the discussion of the day that is public show of affection. My name is Sina Komred, Oguda Bradley, Sankara Kaisu and I am joined by very beautiful queens. I am joined by very beautiful, very beautiful queens who are going to help me or help us understand what it means to have PDA, that is public display of attention. One is Jacki Lwile, that name was rather tongue twister to me and another is Ferdius Amena. So Jacki you are going to tell us more about yourself. Okay, thank you very much. My name is Jacki Lwile like he has said. I got it right. Thank you. Very many people don't get it right, especially the Lwile part. So my name is Jacki Lwile and I am a teacher. I teach geography in Swahili. I live in geography in Swahili. Yeah sure, I am a teacher and my Facebook name is Jacki Jones. Jones is my dad's name. That is something. Why are you saying your dad's name? My father. Because there is no somebody else. There is but he has not made it official yet. So I am still using Jacki Jones. So Jones is my dad's name and that is my name on Facebook, my username on Facebook. On Twitter I am Kandi Shrill. Shrill is not my name but it is my name aka Shrill. I was a very good actor back then in high school and I played a role of someone called Shrill. The main character and everyone ended up calling me Shrill. So Kandi Shrill on Twitter and Jacki Lwile on Instagram. You look good, you look amazing, you look fabulous. How can I describe you? There is something about ladies with the gap between the two. It enhances beauty. Welcome to white faifan, welcome to wine in the morning. Thank you so much. And then we have another beautiful queen here. She is called Ferdows. I am pronouncing your name because I want to prove that I can pronounce names even outside our culture. Ferdows Amina. Have I got it right? Yeah, that's right. Tell us more about yourself. Okay, good morning. My name is Ferdows Amina Omaj. I am even interested in learning your name after this. I am the only one who had a hard name but since you are many. Yeah, so I am Ferdows Amina Omaj. You can find me on Instagram. Afirnike, underscore beauty. On Facebook Ferdows Amina Omaj. Twitter Ferdows Amina Omaj also. And then also I am also on TikTok. I Ferdows underscore baby. What else? I am a student at the University of Nairobi. I do nothing. I just do that. But I am also a TikToker. I think that's a profession nowadays. TikToking is a profession because we do a lot. So yeah, that's all about me. Your name is Baby Beauty. Yeah. I love something about it. And you are indeed beautiful. Thank you so much for that. I am blessed to have two queens on set today. Both of them are very beautiful. Very beautiful that you look. Thank you so much. Wow. So we are here on PDA. PDA is an acronym for Public Display of Affection. We are going to start with you. What is your take about it? Okay. My take is public display of affection. Yeah. That is people kissing in public. Kissing, hugging, holding hands. Personally, I think it depends. It depends on what is it that you are doing. And why are you doing it? You know that. So, for example, why can you, for example, if you are with your partner, you can be doing it for yourself. The both of you. The two of you. Another reason you can be doing it to show off to someone else. Another reason it's for the sake of public. Okay. Let me explain this. For example, if it comes naturally, for example, if we are dating and we get some very good news, there's not automatically we'll hug, kiss and everything. That comes naturally. But now there's this one. I'm with you. You are my guy. But now I've seen your side there working. So I'll just force it. Kiss you by force for the sake of, so that the other can see we are together. You know that. And the other reason, for public, celebrities are doing this. You are in front of the camera, in front of people. You are doing all these things for the sake of the public and everything. It depends. Why are you doing it? So depending on the reason, it can be the good or bad. Okay. Let's take the opinion of Mualimu. Mualimu, you know you deal with children. So that's why I'm really keen to hear what you say about it. She's a university student, so I can understand why she's at a point justifying it. I want to know your opinion. Okay, my opinion is simple. You see, she has said it depends, right? But she has talked about, you know, you can be having your partner and maybe you want to show off or something. But I beg to differ. I will differ with that. Because this is Africa and Africa is our business. We emulate so much from the West, right? But we have to know that in Africa, everyone has a right to consent or not to consent with what you're doing. You cannot go ahead and start kissing her. When you stand even on the streets of Nairobi here, when you go there and start kissing in public, you realize that these are things you watched in the movies, right? Yes. But when you start kissing, you realize that there is reaction from the public. As much as this is a city, you realize that there is a certain reaction from the public. And they will not like it. And you know, PDA ranges from anything from kissing, holding hands to even eye contact. Oh, even eye contact. Eye contact, it is public display of affection. Yes. When you look at someone... Suggestively. Suggestively. You can ogle at someone like, you know, staring at someone. That is also public display of affection. You see, anything that goes beyond a certain amount of time, it becomes uncomfortable to the public. Yes. There is a kiss you can give to someone like a pek. Yes. But there is a deep kiss you can give to someone. You see, there is a difference between the two. Yes. When you give someone a pek, it might be too quick for the public to notice. Yes. You've given someone a pek. But when it now becomes a deep kiss, the public will notice. Yes. When you touch someone on the face, the public might not notice. But when you go beyond the neck, the public will notice. And we have to realize that we have kids. Like I said earlier, this is Africa. We have kids that look up to us. These kids emulate so much from us grown-ups. So when you start kissing in public or caressing in public, you realize that these kids will grow up emulating that. And you think that is wrong. We should stop emulating so much from the West. Like you see, there is a video I watched some time back. Kids, really young kids, less than 5 years of age. And these kids were kissing and the parents were taking videos. No, it's not in Africa obviously. But these kids were kissing and the parents were taking videos and they were happy about that. And Africa, we want to emulate that. You look like a disciplinarian in your school. I am a disciplinarian. Are you in the disciplinarian committee in your school where you teach? Or are you a disciplinarian in your home? I am a disciplinarian in my home. I am a disciplinarian everywhere. Even if I were not taking education or even if I were not a teacher, I would not advocate for us trying to emulate everything from the West. I mean, the kids looking at the grown-ups kissing and then they are like... So for you, Jaki, this is a West thing that Africa should not take at all. Yes, thank you. There is something about being you, even you as an individual, there is something about being you. You should not copy what someone else is doing. When you copy what someone else is doing, now you stop being you. I get you. So this is Africa. Africa is our business. We should continue being Africans. Stop emulating what the West are doing. So when we start kissing in the public and having the public display of affection in public, we will see that these kids emulate us and they will grow up not reasoning. I mean, I'm coming back to you. You said that there are situations that can lead to that. According to you, that is very okay. If there are those situations, if you recount these situations, you said when you want to show somebody that you have some booty. You have some booty. Now we get in the reality. Let us talk about the culture and everything. Times are changing. When times are changing, we just have to go by what is really happening. Personally, I think it can either be good or bad. Or bad. So you are in both. In good side, this is about being in the good side of it. For example, I said, if we are together and get some good news, for example, a company has done something, there is that automatic, you can hug. It just comes naturally. But that when you hug everybody, like you have achieved as a company, let's say Y-54 as a market as the best media, maybe in the country or youth media in the country. So all the staff of Y-54, the camera lady here, Patricia, everybody in there, we come and hug and hug. Is that PDA? This is the example. We are running Y-54 as a company. And then we got the good news that there was a project that we were working on. Then it succeeds. We get some very good news about the project being successful. So sometimes you can't even hug and you can't even kiss. This is so exciting and everything. Kissing has happened. Can't kissing now be classified as part of celebration? Ya, that's part of it. What do you think? I didn't say kissing is bad. Kissing is good by the way. You can kiss as a way of showing affection. But you know why we are saying kissing is not good. The only time kissing stops being good is when it takes much longer. When it takes much longer, anything that you overdo, when you overdo anything, even hug, when I get a good news like she has said, let's say I get a good news and the people of Y-54, let's say you want to celebrate. We want to celebrate as a group. I'll go hugging you. But when I stand here and I hug you for too long, then that is bad. You see, that is bad. Let's get practical. Let's get practical with you. How long do you think a hug should last? It's not about the length of the hug. She said it's about the length. But what do you do with the hug? So according to you, according to you, length is not the only factor. Length is not the only factor. There are other factors. So tell us first how long you think a hug should last in public, then you tell us other factors. 30 seconds already. 10 seconds. That is too much. 10 seconds. How long is 10 seconds? When you go beyond 10 seconds, now you guys need a room. You need some privacy now. You need some privacy. It should just take 10 seconds. More than that, it starts being gross. I have begun for you how long 10 seconds is. So you tell me just a third hugging. 2, 3, 4. It's still hugging. 5, 5, 5. 7, 8. No, no, no. 5. Oh, you've reduced it to 5. I didn't realise 10 seconds is that much. 30 is overdoing. 30 is overdoing. She said 30, I said 10. And we are sorry, we are now coming back 5 seconds. We are apologising to the public. We are apologising to the public. We are apologising to the public. I don't know, I asked someone why don't people hear after watching all the movies? Why don't Africans kiss and everything in public? Unless I'm 10 back, I was working around, I think it was our year in town and then I saw some girl and her body was kissing. That thing was disturbing. That thing was disturbing. They were kissing. Deep kissing. Deep in public. That thing was disturbing. Tell us exactly how it disturbed you because I think we are going to use that to gauge how it disturbs people. How exactly did it disturb you? Did it arouse some feelings in you? I felt uncomfortable. What they are doing is something very wrong. It felt so wrong. I don't know why. So it was on the negative side. Maybe you are in a room with a couple or lovers then you are alone and they are cuddling. They can arouse some feelings in you. So that maybe I can say that is positive. But when they do it in public it is negative to you. You also talked about the factors that the terma in whether ahag is good or bad. Can you point out two or three? Whether ahag can be good or bad. Yes, in public. We said if you, for example, I am working with someone and I see for example there has been some rumors that that is the side and everything around to show off that he is mine. I can just kiss you or something the way that you have to do it. And you make sure she sees it. You know, that's all. The issue is you are the morality in the room. The problem is this is a public now. These are the ladies. It's not the only one watching you. Everyone is watching you. Do you think the lady care? The one doing it. The lady doing it doesn't care. You feel when you are hugging someone or kissing someone in public. By the way, there is a picture trending. This is what you feel. But there is an image you are portraying out there to the public. What the public see is not what you feel. I saw it. You see, you are feeling good. You are feeling great. I think they are magic. Some magic Some magic waves around you. Some magic waves around you. You see the sunset and all that. But what the public sees is something different. So when you are saying that you are kissing to show a lady or to make a lady jealous or anyone else jealous this lady might not even be looking at you or something. She might be on her own businesses. But the people who are concentrating or who are looking at you might be at different audience that may not be targeted. So the kind of message you are portraying to these other audience may not be taken in a good way. By the way, do you consider the person now you are kissing? Do you think it can be comfortable? Now that's another issue. If the person will either do it back it's not because it's coming from the heart or something it's just out of circumstances. You are here contacting me. Kiss you already. What are you supposed to do? You are supposed to be a couple. In that way you are not satisfying the other partner that you are with. In that way you are doing it for your own self gains or something. So it can be selfish if you are doing it to maybe another person. And you are aware that there are people, there are side chicks who are hard-eyed and can't translate from my direct translation from my language. Kuna una muenyewe the men chick. And then you are doing it to her man in public to your kwejilas. There are people, there are even polygamy. Both are officially your wives. And then this one now is overdoing it for the other person to see that you are more loved than this other one. Ladies can go to very much extent to prove a point. Ladies can go to extremes. But ok we don't really advocate for PDA but I know ladies can go to extremes. Now let's now stoop down to reality. Ladies can go to extremes to prove a point. Ladies can go to the house Is there a situation that can make you do a PDA? Any situation extraordinary situation because you hate it but is there an extraordinary situation that can make you do it? Honestly no. I really mind by there there is something about me I am not giving out my weaknesses but there is something about me I really mind what people think. You see this notion of I don't care what the world thinks I don't care what people think about me and all that what people always say out here especially the youth I really mind what people think I really mind what people see when I walk around So personally I cannot display affection I can hug you affection PDA can range from eye contact PDA can be hugs PDA can be kissing but anything that goes beyond 5 seconds is not my thing I can't do it. Okay I was there is a list of what people think are not PDAs but are they are about 35 and one of them is holding hands So are you saying you cannot hold hands for more than 5 seconds Depends on where you are Let us now look at culture here You know PDA the first P means public So where you are is public Let's talk about that You see you've said about holding hands You can hold hands in the streets of Nairobi but back in my village people will not take that as they will think you need privacy the two of you need privacy you will see everyone from little kids to the aged looking at you like really what are you doing and attend to what you mean So yes So what I'll say about that is that it depends with where you are you should know that people have the right to consent and not to consent and when I say people have the right to consent I mean that you should understand your culture or the people around you here in Nairobi you can hold hands people in Nairobi hug for more than 5 seconds for more than 10 seconds and you will see maybe the public will not react unless you overdo it but back where I come from in my village even holding hands people will just look at you like officially married wedded in the church and all that and the whole village knows that you guys are married yes and then the following day now you are here holding hands maybe your arms are wrapped around your partner every these people will look at you like what are you doing somebody cannot just pass you like you can't just sit down and you will see and you will see how you are doing so you should mind the environment that is why you will find that you see where the kids are in the malls we have kids in the malls but you will find people kissing in clubs bars those areas where we go to enjoy ourselves people go to enjoy themselves you will find people kissing in clubs and doing all those things but not in the malls do you consider club really public because things people do in club are sometimes very worse worse than that my director is telling me that he really hates when somebody holds his hands in the public and we said that even that should not go beyond 5 seconds yes let us get religious on this I am happy that I hope you are a Christian and this is a Muslim is it halal to hold hands in public with your wife I think it's allowed but Islam allows more than one wife allows four wives can you hold the four in reality I don't think they ever go out with the four you never go out with one tomorrow you will take the other one the other day you will take the other one out Quran allows it you can hold hands with your wife there is no verse in the Quran against it I have never I have never I know it's just holding hands doing other things like what you are condemning like kissing you can do that in public people can according to your religion people can hold hands for more than 5 seconds while working people do that people do that I have talked about considering where you are coming from can you tell me which place is full of Muslims Saudi Arabia no let's say in Kenya let's say Isili no isili is in Nairobi apart from Nairobi that is there okay Pakistan or something places where is not so much advanced like Nairobi Nairobi you can hold hands I am asking now can people hold hands for more than 10 seconds or 30 working people do that people do that people around the public don't react to you holding hands I think it's because of the changing time because you will never see anyone complain about that it's rare to see someone complain about that I have worked in places I have stayed in northeastern for quite some time and I see people working holding hands as a couple there is no issue there is no issue with that tell us what you know about this in Christianity okay in Christianity people do hold hands like she has said in Muslim in her religion people do hold hands right but okay in Christianity people do hold hands too what matters is the culture how people context to what you are doing yes you see as Christian it's not bad holding hands it's not bad holding hands you can hold anyone even your little sister even your brother even your father and you can hold your mother's hand affection doesn't have to be romantic yes it doesn't have to be romantic what I'm trying to talk about is how the public sees this yes the public perception you care how people will talk about it you care not everyone will know if I go around holding my father's hand you see people in my village will know that's my father but let's say we go to what's your county Migori me and my dad now we are holding hands for mother there is holding hands there is touching his hands there is holding hands and then we are walking for a very long distance to my tembea you can get in Migori County people don't know if this is my father you see what will they think I'm not talking about Nairobi I'm not talking about Kisumu or Nakuru I'm talking about Migori the interior part of Migori we are holding hands mimi na babangu till kusara you see what people think let us get to social media social media is a new public is pulling a cheer for a lady is that public display of affection I'll give you a list I'll give you a list of what people don't think is public show of affection but they are actually are I'll get to that immediately after this so let us go to the new public now that is the social media can you post it I've never done that I've never done that why I've never done that I've never done that I've never done that I've never done that and I've never done that and I've never done that I've never done that but that's why I think post-in we already broke up you know one of your reasons for not sure for allowing pd yet is that you can want to do that so that somebody sees when you take social media in social media we fake a lot we really do fake a lot in social media we fake a lot it's not a real public it's a fake public for example whatsapp status you can do that for example if we are for example we are like three wives and you know I have the numbers for other two wives and everything I post our husband there but you know yesterday was in my chest for the sake of to make others feel bad but us who don't know if you are doing that for the other one to feel jealous or something we will never understand that you will take about this social media being a public and how people react I can say I've posted somebody before three days ago I've posted somebody three days ago on Sunday but you know you'll get mixed reactions from everyone in your contact list but what I can say is now it depends to what extent you see I've never posted as kissing I've never posted as kissing kissing and being all that maybe holding tight or something like that I've never done that it's always standing here eating or something bad having coffee or doing all those things but not the deep intimacy things this is this is undoing your first assertion that time 10 seconds because social media that Sunday post is still there to now so it has been there for three days how many hours are there in three days 72 and how many seconds are there in three days so it is undoing your or you didn't consider social media I considered social media that is what I am saying even if you go check but it was not something so intimate you will not even notice if he is my guy or your brother if we take a picture here or if someone takes a picture of the two of you like this and then posts that picture now that is what I mean I've never posted a picture of us kissing and being so intimate because that is bad that is bad I have siblings following me on my social media accounts I have little cousins my younger cousins I have younger sister and maybe they look up to me sasa watashanga now what is our sister doing they look at that and feel that people when they grow up this is what they should be doing I mean I want to take you through some actions here you tell me whether you think it's PDA we have talked about holding hands think it's one somebody is talking about sitting beside each other in a movie theater sitting it depends are you leaning or something just sitting beside each other sitting here you are sitting in a movie theater I don't think so that is not public display of affection the way we are sitting like this we can sit like this in a movie theater someone might be so close in as much as we are not touching that is not public display of affection do you realize you can go to a movie theater and you are not you don't know the person sitting next to you you guys are just sitting there that is not public display of affection you are giggling giggling what do you think of me giggling that is not public display I don't think so you see PDA for it to be considered for it to be uncomfortable it must cause a reaction to the public so me giggling with someone as much as it is not being uncomfortable to someone watching us then it is perfectly okay playing footy under the table the footy flat I think that is true that is PDA because now what are you doing in public the footy flat you can also be annoying imagine you are sitting let us see here there is a table and you are crossing your legs to her you are just there in everything and I am seated here that is offensive I will just chase you out of the room can you tell me fixing your hair him fixing your hair kuka visuri it's not wrong that's okay you don't think that is PDA you have hair that can be fixed they are not okay but they can fix it it's just the same as him tying my shoe that's okay it's not making anyone uncomfortable so that's okay then wiping away eyelashes fixing them for you fixing like anything in public I think that's also okay fixing his collar that's okay as long as it's not making the public uncomfortable it is okay remember the public is our concern here it is not making them uncomfortable then it is okay even if you are not even dating and I see there is something wrong with what you are putting on I will just ask for your permission can you kindly do it and if you can't, can I do it for you wireless communication like you are in the crowd public then you communicate you are far apart then you communicate with signs suggestive like flushing yes it depends on what extent depends on what extent you are going in but I don't think that's bad not everyone can read the non-verbal cues not everyone even the kids around there cannot read the 19 if someone is seated at a distance and I'm looking at this person suggestively I want to draw his attention or he wants to draw my attention if it is not causing any kind of distress to the public it is okay it is okay because even the kids or the elderly will not read the non-verbal cues yes you talked about a pek on the cheek you said it can be okay if it is fast enough what do you think it can also be okay for your baby but it is public you've shown the public that you love him a pek is too quick for someone to even notice it is too quick for someone to notice so a pek is perfectly fine okay now let us get to saying this is my boyfriend or this is my wife just telling people this is my wife this is my boy in public do you consider that PD okay it's affection can it be affection could it be coming from his heart or something it is affection it is affection but if it is not leading to moral decadence people do that people do that there is no problem in saying this is my because even your kids know that where we nimamina where we nidadi and they know so that is not bad you said a bit of the former president yeah what's her name and everything this is my only wife you saw that video it is old but it never gets old I have only one wife who is Lucy that is public but don't you think that was under duress that was like he was in a gun point we don't care what will happen like when I prepare in the room and I will say maybe this is the script the president was reading a script but we also have pastors do that I came here with my wife even the posters you see many posters the pastors do post they are always with their wives the pastor and the wife maybe even the wife is not even a preach or a translator or anything but a pastor always post pictures with the wife so that is okay we are used to that they are supposed to be a role model and everything but personally my view on that this shows the public that you are united for example if you come to me you are a pastor you are there to tell me what and family things and you don't have a wife how am I supposed to take on that so having your wife and everything I think it helps them the public know that he has a family already even when you open doors like you are opening a door for the car then you are holding for him to get in or he is holding for you even watchmen do that for us yes thank you then just walking together not holding hands but we don't have enough people in the house we don't have enough people that's okay when you have kids that's okay We are not in a hood. We are always together. As long as we are not... Don't you think it is the same PDA we are condemning? We are not condemning PDA. What we are saying... To what extent are you doing it? To that extent where the public feels like you people need privacy now. You see? Okay, dancing. Now it depends. It depends because... We may have a song here. You're standing there. I'm here. And we're just dancing. But the moment we now get close... And we now start... What's the name of that kind of dance? Lap dance. Oh, when you're so close. No, no. Okay, the kind of dance... We'll get a name for it. Like the kind of dance that people do in clubs and all that. You know, go down and do... Oh, talking and everything. Yeah, now that's wrong. Up on... Now about can you live... Let's start with you. If somebody is so much into PDA like he wants the public to know that you are in love. Can you boot somebody because of that? Can I? Boot somebody because of... Because he wants everybody to know you are in love. Everybody to know that you are in love. Being in love is not strong. It's okay. But now, how are you doing it? Why do you want everyone else to see that you are in love? Can you get irritated to an extent that you leave somebody you think you love? Because? Just because of that. It happens mainly with the elderly lovers. The sugar daddies. He wants to get hold on your hand in public. You are in a restaurant but he wants to... to spoon feed you in the restaurant. What is the worst that you can do in such a situation? I think... Personally, if you find me, for example... Now, in the case that you are talking about there's one person where there's love only one-sided love. Love is only one-sided. So that means I'm just there for the sake of... I can even slap someone. Slap and leave. That is violence. I can slap and leave. We are in public now and they are trying to kiss me and everything. I'm not into it. Slap and leave. What can you do? I'll also leave. I hope you will offer a better solution. I always get so uncomfortable when I'm a center of attraction. You might be in a restaurant. Everyone here is... everyone in that restaurant is there to eat or drink something. But someone is there trying to spoon feed you. It gets uncomfortable because you people are now being weird. These are things you can do in your houses. Why are you trying to spoon feed me? I know you love me. Love should not... You should not show your love by trying to display to everyone that you love me by spoon feeding. But I don't like it. I won't take it. That is why there was a video me going round. You see a man going down on his knees trying to propose to a girl and a girl runs away. Yes. You can do that. But proposal suspension. No. It is special. But there are some places where this thing... If we had not discussed it... You said it was... You said it was supposed to be surprises. No. You might think you are ready but I'm not ready. Thank you. You've gone to a restaurant done every reservation and everything. There will be my... Sometimes I usually tell my friends and then the moment we are out of the public I'll just give him back the ring and tell him I was not ready. But the public has already concluded that you have accepted so every time you are seen we will never... Obviously we will record. Maybe the media is there and all that. So you will accept it. Accept and give back the ring maybe later on to avoid maybe the shame. To avoid embarrassing him. Yeah. But also you can also go away. I've never seen such a situation. I want also your opinion on when he wants to show it where your relatives are. Like in the presence of your dad in the presence of your siblings. Now this is my wife. I want to give you an example. I went to a funeral back at home and somebody a lady, she really looks like you was married to a German and now that was a funeral the lady's mum died and now there was this kujafunero but this muzungu doesn't know our culture so it's like he wants to everywhere that this lady goes and stands at a kwenakum kumshikaivi kuhold hands kutu all the time everywhere aki sema I don't know whether it's only about my ethnic group but aki sema familiya wasi mama kutu katikati yao familiya nasi mama nao aki na kichiwa kulatiao againi ni niya kutu katikati yao What's your take on this? That wasn't right. If I was the wife I could have reacted the same way. One lady said go sit down Please go sit down because this person thinks earlier on I talked about emulating what the West people from the West did this person is not from Africa they are what we Africans consider as a moral decadence so I will not allow my husband if this muzungu was my husband I will not allow him to show public affection to me you want to show everyone like you're holding my waist like I'm your wife these are Africans and it's not in Nairobi it's in Afiniru okay be with me but be decent for them it's just decent for them but the problem that this lady did she did not brief the husband so maybe the lady is to be blamed the lady is to be blamed can you kiss in the presence of maybe your one brother or your one sister no I can do that can you in fact I always wonder what I'll do in my wedding you can now kiss the bride I don't know what I'll do in front of my grandma and my dad I will tell the pastor to just keep that because I don't know if I'll do it okay let me also add this so we are also for example if you are taking for example your husband you are taking your husband to your family there are some families that are they have also adapted to that you feel that your mom is okay with that even that your dad is okay with that another thing is this I was watching some videos and the guy was like I have to be very like I will be very caring to my wife and everything the reason being this lady saw what her parents used to do to okay her parents her parents used to do every time they used to like every time pulling chairs hugging and everything some of the kids will learn from it they will want to chase for example I would want to chase my lady this way because I saw how my father cheated my mom so that is hereditary you are in heriting yeah you know then there is no even you have no romances reason being they saw their parents they never used to do that they never used to do you know you are not even born between the two our time is really up so can you look into this camera and tell your fellow youth something about how you want them to behave so this is what I will conclude the show with so if you are for example mambaya chumbani that's my mambaya chumbani bedroom things this small small things show affection to your partner or to whoever it is that you are dating but make sure that the public or anyone around you they don't feel uncomfortable but if you want to irritate a side check you can do it in the public you said that you will finish that is what you say that is what you say that's what happens that's what happens we are doing with it what I'll say is that PDA is totally okay but I will still insist to what extent is PDA okay if you see that whatever you are doing is causing distress to the people around you then you should stop doing the public has a right to consent and not to consent to what you are doing there are places where people will consent to you guys kissing and there are places where people will not consent to you guys kissing so what how I will conclude this is we should just not display affection in public because this is Africa Africa is our business yes we should not display affection in public after here you may kiss your bride in church okay let me add something before we close the show someone told me such dating and you will know how this thing happened we don't know what really happened I wish we had I wish we had a whole day because Yaki is bringing now the Mayuki's the bride as a public show a public show of affection I wish we had time to discuss now from me I personally agree with them that you should do the right thing at the right time because we should also not show like should not be free movie to people there are several people who made this video possible of this success my technical team led by Stella Moengap, Patricia, Lynette and then my producers Ram Nadia and of course my boss Fidelis and all that thank you for making this possible till we meet next time salute