 This is about the radioactive Boy Scout. I'm gonna do some demos, but these are video demos of things I've done in my backyard, so I don't have any radioactive material. Nothing's dangerous. Nothing is of any interest that somebody get hurt. Also, I'm gonna give somebody a prize for asking the best question. It's a 1941 quarter. This is not just any quarter. It's a quarter that I retrieve from my safe deposit box that was in the World Trade Center. And it's heavily heat damaged. And if you want to, after the question answer, or during the question and answer session, I'm gonna play a video of my X-ray going into one-chase plaza that is their basement, where all the safe deposit boxes were moved. And you'll actually see me open up my safe deposit box. Plus, you'll see the other safe deposit boxes there. One reason for doing this talk is that I know Homeland Security's idea of a dirty bomb. And I just thought that it was not the best optimized type of bomb. If the person was familiar with playing with nuclear materials or nuclear hacking in quotes, they could build something more capable and more lethal. And also at times, I thought that maybe Homeland Security's model, well maybe that was disinformation, so that people would try to go about constructing something that was not very useful. Radiation, the most basic thing that somebody's gonna look for is gamma rays. Most people who have some type of radiation detector, the 99% of time it's just gonna be looking for gamma rays. The two sources, one second. For a dirty bomb, the two most likely sources are Cessium-137 or Cobalt-60, basically orphan type of nodules where these materials are sealed in with a stainless steel, sometimes stainless steel housing. And these isotopes are used in a lot of well-logged equipment, other industrial uses, thickness gauges. And throughout the world, there are a lot of these orphaned resources, or orphaned radioactive things that have just fallen into junk yards or wherever. Neutrons, a neutron has no charge. It's produced by a reactor. And if you bombard something with neutrons, you make them radioactive. They become an isotope of their own self. Radiation, alpha particles and beta particles. Alpha particles are helium nuclei that has a plus two charge. Beta particles are electrons, minus one charge. Basically, these particles don't travel in any great distance. They're only dangerous if you either ingest it or inhale it, and it stays in your lungs or in your body. These are attacks in the past that have utilized some type of chemical means. The Russian in London, who was poisoned with plutonium 210, he ate it, he was given a very massive dose. Plutonium 210 produces alpha particles. And again, he was given a massive dose. And I guess the reason for the massive dose was to send a message to people. In 1984, the followers of Baguan, this was in Antelope County, Oregon, poisoned the salad bars in a number of restaurants. What they did is they sprayed a salmonella into the salad bars. If you wanted to poison using, let's say, alpha, some type of a nuclei which produce beta particles, alpha particles, you could almost use the same technique. In 1966, the CIA and the Department of Defense sprayed harmless substances on the tracks in the subway system, just to see how far they would carry. These are supposedly harmless bacteria that they could track. In the subway system, I live in New York City, I work in New York City, take the subway every day. You notice that particles, any type of particles can travel great distances just from the trains moving them. Passive detectors, Geiger counter, iron chamber survey, gamma-cellation detector. Passive detectors are probably the most common type detectors. And again, this is a Geiger counter. This Geiger counter was actually made in the Ukraine Soviet Union where they have Chernobyl, the people there need industrial strength Geiger counter. Active detectors. Active detectors illuminate objects with the neutrons of gamma rays. And certain materials that'll be of nuclear interest will actually form a stream of neutrons from being illuminated. Or, radiographically, they would show up. Right now, I'm gonna run a video demo and hopefully everything works. Okay, this is the first video demo. That's an old-fashioned 1964 Civil Defense Geiger counter. The other side, you see this little yellow thing, which is also a Geiger counter and this is much more sensitive. And what I'm gonna do is that's a probe that sends up the gamma rays. I'm gonna open up the probe and the probe will also be sent to beta particles, beta rays. And on these old-fashioned type of... Can everybody hear the counting? Okay, good. On these old-fashioned probes, there's sort of a check source on the side which is a beta source. Now that I closed the probe, it's not really picking up anything. The other Geiger counter has a window in the back of it that you can pull off and it'll be sensitive to beta particles. This Geiger counter also has an alarm when you go over 0.30 microsabs, which I guess in the Russian Federation is the highest level of contamination to have in a residential house. It tells you that by the alarm going off. It's by the way on the internet is about $150, maybe $200. And it's probably one of the better type of a detector for personal use. You're right now pulling out a check source. It's Cessium 137 and it's right now against this one and you hear the alarm going off. Now I'll also have a closer look at it. And it is pretty hot. The one other thing that's happening is I'm detecting both the gamma rays from Cessium and the beta particles from Cessium with probe open. One other thing that is hard to notice is that Geiger counters generally pick up the design for low level radiation and they can saturate. If the radioactive source is that hot, they can saturate and after the needle pins, they can go back and forth or fluctuate. And it doesn't mean that it's safe. It means you should get out of there. And I have a close up of that source that's Cessium 137. It's five micro curies of Cessium 137. If that source was more than 10 micro curies, I'd need a license to have it. But it's only five micro curies. And these sources are available from, this one came from Spectron Techniques, but the sources are available from a number of different laboratories. Right now I have two minerals of uranium. I have a green mineral on the right. Well, I have a green mineral, it's turbinite. And radioactively, it's pretty hot. Then I have another one which is sort of brownish, smaller one that's beta-fied. It's not really that hot radioactively. And there's the alarm. I'm opening up the probe now. So six of the gamma rays are beta-fied. The beta-fied is much less radioactive. The green turbinite is about 35,000 counts per minute if you hold the probe right next to it. The beta-fied is about 2,000 or 3,000 counts per minute. It's really not, even though one mineral seems to be physically larger than the other one, it's not related to the mineral size. I'm gonna do one more. This is the 1964 Steel Defense Skiger counter. And I have it on top of a lead sheet. The sheet's about an eighth of an inch thick to show just the effect of shielding. And this is shielding from gamma rays. If it was neutrons, I would use a different. I would use something with a material composed of hydrogen. But this shows one of the effects of shielding. That's, again, the small gauge counter which just showed the background reading in my backyard. Oh my God, went back. Okay, the radioactive Boy Scout, his name was David Hahn. He lived in a suburb of Detroit. As a Boy Scout, he wanted to earn his atomic energy merit badge. He was a great social engineer. He called himself Professor Hahn and he wrote away to a number of different societies and groups to obtain information. He wrote away to the Czech Republic samples of uranite and pitch blend. He said he was a professor of physics instructor. He consomed government officials. He received a reply from one out of every five letters. He was about 16, 17. 94, 95. He also learned from government sources that beryllium produces neutrons. It produces neutrons if you bombarded with alpha particles. Also, if you bombarded with gamma rays, it'll produce some neutrons too. He had a number of chemistry books. He did a lot of experimentation in his backyard and in his shed. He had to go to the book of chemistry and he got great many experiments from that. He developed his own gunpowder, nitric acid and yellow cake. Yellow cake is the first type of refinement. If you get uranium ore and you pulverize it and mix it with a number of chemicals to precipitate it out to uranium, you'll end up losing yellow cake. So that's the first type of ore type of product that you receive. And it's also something that you would really consider toxic or an EPA type of a problem, somebody producing yellow cake. Right now, there are a lot of people in the country doing that, producing yellow cake, but nobody knows where they are or who's doing it. The only reason why I know of just questions that are answered on forums or questions asked on forums that deal with radioactivity. So you can sort of sniff out and figure out what different people are doing. He wanted to build a breeder type reactor, something that would solve the energy crisis. And he's a very persistent type, persistent person. He wanted to obtain uranium-235, which is fissionable, or whatever he could obtain. And he found that uranium-235 or plutonium was hard to obtain, but thorium and thorium from lantan mouths, the old type of lantan mouths, was somewhat easy to obtain. And he got copious amounts of mantles. One of the first things that he was working on is the neutron gun. A neutron gun basically is a type of device that produces neutrons, and it can transmute, not transmute elements, but make elements radioactive. So when you increase the number of neutrons in the nucleus, it's the same element, but it's radioactive. It's not a stable. One of his sources for neutrons, or one of his sources for alpha particles to use to bombard beryllium and aluminum with, was the americurium-241 that's found in smoke detectors. And it's just like a little button source. I should have bought a picture of it, but I forgot. He calculated that he needs at least 100 detectors to do, say, large enough stream of alpha particles to produce neutrons. He also was able to come across a large stage of radium. And radium, you don't see that around anymore, to radium dials for instruments that are used in the dark, or airplane instruments in the dark, or watches, because it is radioactive and potentially toxic. He was able to come across a, a, what do you call those places, a shop that dealt in older furniture, clocks, things. I'm gonna say an artifact shop, I guess an antique shop, sorry, antique shop. And he's able to find a clock that had a vial, I think quarter ounce of vial of radium in it. It was contained in it. The people or the women who originally painted dials apparently left them in there. And the way he was actually located that is he was driving by at the shop with his, the Geiger counter on his dashboard and started clicking very vigorously. And he wanted to see where that was coming from. So sort of very fortuitous. He had great perseverance, it's incredible. Okay, so he wanted to build his reed reactor and he has now his reactor startup. His neutron becomes the core of the reactor and he has tiny four-wrapped cubes containing thorium. He also has cubes containing carbon, using the carbon to slow down the, the neutrons so that they'd be captured by the thorium nuclei. The outer layers of the thorium, of the box were also contained thorium. And the shoebox size device was about 4,500 grams. It was about a little over two pounds. He didn't make any type of presentation or made any type of a thought that maybe things get out of hand, how do I shut this down? Today, all reactors that you can see that are built, they have control rods, which can basically turn the reaction off or on by pulling the control rods out or putting the control rods in. He had nothing like that at all. His reactor was getting more and more radioactive by the day and he started detecting radiation from five houses down. And basically he got scared and he took it apart and put some of the pieces in his trunk and the toolbox and other pieces he hid around the basement of house and the hint of shed. And I'm not sure why he had that thought to do that. And he totally, from what I've gotten from the internet, from forums, when people have a problem, they've been doing something with radioactive minerals and things seem to get hot and they sort of panic. What they tend to do is take everything put together and they're buried in some type of park, somewhere around, not in their backyard but some type of park. There's one interesting aspect about David's uranium engine and it's that the Nazis were also experimenting during World War II with uranium engines or reactor type devices. And if you look in two books, The Virus House, which relates to Nazi work with radioactive materials and Hitler's uranium club, you see some parallels between the work that he did and where the Nazi scientists were going. Also, if you look at some of the resources you realize that the Nazis were also trying to produce some type of a dirty bomb, something that they could drop where it would perform or just be a type of cancer type device, something that would produce cancers. What I think today, I think, again, he was a hobbyist. I don't think he's doing anything now. I did try to contact him a number of times with telephone and email and I got no response. I don't even know if I got the right person. I think World War II is probably three to five people who have some type of reactor type device that they have running. It's something that produces neutrons, something that is getting harder and reactively day by day. It's not a real reactor. It's more of a public health product or public health concern than something that being a terrorist type concern. I think today you can build something like what he built and you can make tremendous improvements in the design. Well, we don't know the neutron flux of his device. We don't know any of the gamma ray values. All of his notebooks, he burned. He was afraid when he took everything apart that maybe he had a real problem there. Maybe he thought he was coming after him. He just burned everything and tried to eliminate any type of tracks. The EPA or the Michigan EPA eventually cleaned up the site and what happened is he packed up the red toolbox in his trunk of his car and the day after that he was in terms of a neighborhood at around 2 a.m. And the police were investigating the break-ins that they had in the neighborhood and they asked him what he was doing and he didn't give the police a good answer. So the police checked his car. They checked the trunk and they saw a lot of strange things in the trunk and they asked him about the red toolbox and he said, well, don't touch it. It's radioactive. Hey, so, which is not the right response, but this was 1994, 95. That was an era when people were not sensitive about these things. So they arrested him. They put him in the police station. They towed his car to police headquarters. They were potentially afraid that maybe he had a time bomb, which why would you tow to police headquarters? Why don't you tow to a pistol range, a rifle range someplace? And they got other people, other authorities, including the EPA, DNRC, other authorities, take a look into this matter. And ultimately, David wasn't arrested, but they did go back and forth with his parents a number of times. Of course, today, if you do this, I think you're gonna be in a lot of trouble. Yes, he did. He got the merit badge. Although the Boy Scouts were at first, when all this information broke, the Boy Scouts were a little bit hesitant about giving them the merit badge, but he certainly exceeded the boundaries of any scout with a ton of energy badge. Now going to a Homeland Security model of what they think about the dirty bomb. And I think these orphaned sources of COVID-1960 says in 137, basically somebody would blow them up with a high explosive like TNT. And when they say high explosive, they're talking about TNT or something along the same lines like C4. It's just as easy as this source may be propelled by the explosion as that'll be broken apart. I've always thought maybe this was disinformation because if you have a radioactive source, you can do other things with it. And one of the things is that you could use it as a seed corn. Basically, you can make other things radioactive. If you make other things radioactive, if you don't have one dirty bomb, you potentially have many and you can build many. Okay, seed corns make other things radioactive. What would you pick? Well, we probably better off going with nano-sized materials. A nano-sized material is very, very small. It gives you right here what human hair is in nanometers. Red blood cells are nanometers. These nanotype particles pass through a HEPA filter. HEPA filter is a high efficiency filter that originally was designed during the Manhattan Project when they were developing atomic bombs. It'll pass through also just about any other type of filter including filter paper that some devices use to sample air. They sample air and then they collect the residue in the filter paper and test what it is. Also when you have nano-sized particles, you have an inner compound can be toxic at the nano-sized level because not only if you inhale it, it'll pass through cell walls and potentially irritate cells. Okay, build a perfect dirty mom, a nano-sized material. The NRC, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has a program on their website called the Toolbox The Toolbox shows what different of isotopes of different materials. They're alpha particles, beta particles, the energy that they release, and also the potential biological hazard of these materials. This is something that, this is almost a dual nature type of device that you could use it if you're a reactor site to see if somebody was exposed to compounds, how much potential problems they'll have in the future, but you could also use it as a designer type things for specialized designer isotopes to affect people or radio people. And again, you can make multiple bombs at different sizes. Nano-sized can be passed just by the air or the subway system. It can be passed by just trains passing. If you wanna pass it, otherwise you could use some of the Simples Black Powder which is readily available. Okay, next thing. If you do have multiple dirty bombs and I live in New York City, I take New York City subway every day, I work in New York City, and this is what I thought somebody would use as strategic targets. The fire department, hazmat trucks, the decon shower trucks, these are all fire department equipment, hazmat one, and this equipment is known by a member of Harvey, a fire department hobbyist. They know where the equipment is located. So the equipment is not hidden, but again, somebody tried to use it as strategic targets. The NYPD also has a hazmat truck at the base at Floyd Benefield, which is probably harder to get to. Let's talk about radiation alarms. What can settle for radiation alarm? Obviously, uranium minerals, radiologic procedures. If you had a spec scan or PET scan, you're injected with radiological isotopes. A radioactive drug is radio seeds, and that's where human being. Interesting thing happened to me coming home from work. My radiation detector in the New York City subway goes off and on public grounds. I call 911, I give them all the information, and I found that it was actually a seed across from me that was radioactive. I give them all the information, including my cell phone number, I expect some type of call back. So this was a Friday. And I even remember the subway call that was in, it's 5333. Okay. I get nothing back from the NYPD, so I was curious. The next day, I call New York City Information Hotline, a general hotline where any general information that you need, you can receive, get from them. And the operator did not know what the word radiation meant, and this is just incredible. So that was Saturday. Sunday, I called the NYPD the terrorist hotline. I gave them all the information, and they asked me what type of detector I told them was EcoTest, this was the serial number, I give them serial number. Then they asked a bunch of other questions, and I told them that I felt very likely with somebody who had some type of a radiological procedure, because a seed was, from top to bottom, is radioactive. And again, this is, they picked up a number of people who had this procedure before, meaning the NYPD, and they didn't realize it at the time, but these people were radioactive because of the procedure. Okay, what they didn't ask me on the terrorist hotline. Well, first thing, they didn't ask me to detect a saturated, that would mean that, it's very, very high radiation limit. They didn't ask me what the highest reading that I obtained, either. And that I was very, those very strange. They also didn't ask me if I received the readings, and from any foodstuffs that were nearby, or if any foodstuffs were located. Something else that I've seen in the past 22 months, and I can't understand it, all of the hot uranium minerals that used to be on the internet, and other source, private sources, have disappeared. And I don't know why that's happened, that all of a sudden, they're gone. And other people that I asked who had minerals or had interests, nobody had an explanation for it. I mean, I have no explanation. I thought at first maybe Homeland Security for some reason was trying to get them off the market, but this is country-wide or worldwide, and I have no idea. And if anybody has an idea, you can let me know. Next slide. The government, after 9-11, in the World Trade Center, the government basically had a disinformation type of, I don't know if you call it the policy, but it was the policy that the World Trade Center was safe to go back to, that the hazmat workers and the other workers can work there without any type of negative health aspects. The government says it's safe, but what happens if a very media-savvy terrorist says it isn't? What happens if somebody launches some type of attack where it may be difficult to obtain information that it was an attack and has a disinformation type, well, basically a disinformation type of policy? And one last time, one last slide. If half the terrorist, the Homeland Security has this 10-kiloton bomb, hypothetical bomb that terrorists could set off, hypothetically if they did have this type of bomb, what they probably would do is salt it. And by salting it, they put in cobalt or sesame zinc where they have a much longer half-life and that the area would remain radioactive much longer and people would not be able to return to that area. Also, these would be picked up by the air and the people down would have a high incident of cancer. And I've got something else, I've got something. I had one other demo and let me just, this is the last, this is the background radiation in my backyard, 0.08, 0.09. Microsoft's, I'm taking the back wall for the detector, so I can also, now in gamma rays, I can also record beta particles. This is a lead pig which you keep radioactive materials in low-level radioactive materials, maybe check sources, probably some minerals. And I'm taking a bolt out of there. I'm not using forces because this is radioactive really hot, I'm using forces because I have fat fingers and I can't really grab the bolt with my fingers. And this was a steel bolt and what I did is, in that pig, I have alpha source, alpha particle source and then I have aluminum foil over it and basically a small pebble of beryllium. So I'm getting neutrons in there and making this bolt radioactive. When I'm probably producing iron 55, which is also a heavy beta emitter and that's one of the reasons for it to be taken off the back. It has one side that's more radioactive than the other side. So now it's over the limit. It's over the limit for the Soviet Republic to have in your residence. Actually, there's a side of it that's actually much more radioactive than that, but this is just like a demonstration. Everybody can tell I live near an airport. Now I'm taking this apart, that's a little piece of carbon. I have a little wash from there. That's my powder beryllium, that's aluminum foil. And those are the old Coleman lanterns that contain thorium. So it's now for emitter. And this is more proof of concept that you can make things radioactive. The Apple particles, Hindi loom and beryllium and release neutrons. I don't know, any questions? Granite, all granite is radioactive. It contains a certain amount of uranium. Uranium's not an uncommon mineral. And if you go into Manhattan, which is part of Manhattan is radioactive, not radioactive, but there is granite in Manhattan. You'll pick up readings. I had another video or demo that I was gonna do. My father just had granite steps put in on his porch. And I went out to there and it was pretty hard. It was like, it should have been 0.08 on this detector as like 0.20. A lot of people getting granite or granite type of tabletops or granite type of kitchen areas. Yes? I read about them about four or five years ago. And I was just sort of amazed. And then I was also interested in radioactive minerals and collecting them. And it came up on some forums. You handle it for a short period of time. It's probably better. Like the green mineral that you saw, turbinite, is very hot. And also the flakes, the crystals there on the surface are very soft. They're as soft as my nail. So it's usually better to have them with the gloves. But wash your hands. Don't do it after you eat. Don't go and play with them and then eat later on. No, I don't go on the dock. Yes? Yeah, you could easily infect the subway system with it and just spraying the materials out because just by walking on it, you're gonna make it mobile in the air. And also the air currents because it's so small. Just air currents themselves will be transported. Also, there's not a type of method to remediate picking up nano-sized materials in a large area like not only the subway system, but in Grand Central Station or Penn Station and Transportation Hub. There are more and more companies every day selling them. It's not as difficult now as it once was. I'm talking about, let's say, iron or cobalt as a nano-sized type of product. Go ahead. I think lead is still the best that they use. I think what some places, what they do is they just seal it. But lead is like the best radiation defense against gamma rays. Neutrons, it's something different, right? No, no, no, no. So I can go ahead. Excuse me. Is churnoff radiation when you see a glow or bluish glow? Okay, no. I mean, you'd have to go to something that came out of reactor for that. Sorry. I really don't know. The Nazis built similar devices that were enclosed and some of them blew up or caught fire. You know, he would have had a big public health issue. He was in like uncharted territory and I don't think BNRC or any public officials think that people actually are nuclear hobbyists building this type of devices or having them playing with, right? Yeah, they're wrong, sorry. No, I read the story. It was, I think, an apartment building. They're still in smoke detectors. I guess he was trying to relive his glory days. I don't know. I tried to contact him. I tried to, with phone, email, and I can't get ahold of him. Maybe he had a lot of people just for cranks trying to contact him, but I don't know. The radiation. Well, thorium is toxic and he dealt with a lot of toxic materials and he was heavily exposed there for a number of years. Also, the particle, he did use a mask when he tried to do these things, but some of these particles are very small so you don't know what's in his body. Uranium hexafluoride is used when they want to separate U235 from U238 in a centrifuge. I thought anything rich fluorium or compounded fluorium is very dangerous because fluorium is the most reactive of the elements. I don't know if uranium fluoride hexafluoride is dangerous because the only people who have access to it are government people or people in specialized labs. So I wouldn't want to be around it. If it's highly corrosive, it's corrosive, too. But, yeah. One other thing, the bolt that I made radioactive. You could touch it, feel it and everything else. It's not a problem. If I ground it very, very, very fine and somebody ingested it or somebody inhaled it in their lungs, potentially that iron would leach out into your bloodstream and it would combine with the hemoglobin in your blood and also reside in the bone marrow, potentially be a cancer source. If it was a nanotype material, it'd be much worse because, again, there's no remediation today if somebody inhaled nanosized materials and you try to remove from their body. The best analog to using nanotype materials as a destructive force is the pleated uranium that they used in the First Gulf War. And you had some portion of the spectrum of materials, actually the uranium nanosized range and the soldiers inhaled. Yes? Could you speak up? I'm sorry. Yes. I thought it was a person who had a medical procedure. Then I realized I never checked underneath the seat. I should have checked underneath the seat, which I didn't, I was excited. Yes, yes. No, you're right about that. And I could have overlooked looking under the seat because I thought maybe while his sweat had some, wait a minute, it was pretty hot. That seat was actually pretty hot. I screwed up. I mean, I could have really, what happened is I was two stops away from my stop. I was sleeping on the subway, which is normal, people do that. And normally if you have a 20-minute stop away, 40-minute stop away, you could just get up for the stop. I got up and I thought, my God, somebody's cell phone, stupidity cell phone's going off. I didn't realize it was my detector. And I got excited. I actually found something radioactive. And actually, they probably thought I was crazy on the subway because I was standing up and going like this to try to figure out where it was as a seat across from me. So I screwed up, I didn't find it. I'm sorry, go ahead. I know people, and by the way, I contacted the New York City Police Department and New York City Office of Emergency Management about this talk, and expressed absolutely no interest at all in coming to this talk. And to our shows, I don't think that what they're doing, I guess they're doing the best they can to New York City Police Department. I guess they listened to Homeland Security, which, I don't know, I mean, I think I could make a much more lethal, dirty bomb than they could ever come up with. But, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead. I don't know because I only had about six or seven months. It's on all the time, by the way. And if I had a radioactive source, I could show you that it would go off. So this basically is a dosamoon or two. It could sum over a number of hours or days my radiation exposure. But it's also an instantaneous reading type, gag account. What was I gonna say? I'm talking, yes? Really, yeah. I mean, somebody could try using it that way. I don't think the Department of Homeland Security is that very creative in thinking about how to build things. Let me just give you a perspective. Somebody who's a hacker utilizes the materials that they have at hand. And usually you don't have a lot of money, so you have to be very resourceful. Like this kid, David Hahn, was very resourceful. If you're a government bureaucrat working for the Department of Homeland Security, you have a big budget. You don't have to think about how to make things work for the smallest amount of money. You don't think of all the possible materials to use. You certainly wouldn't think that, hey, somebody radiated nanotype materials and deposited in the New York City subway system or Penn Square, Penn Station, or different central stations. How would I detect it? How would things happen? Which would be very difficult to detect. Yes, yes. I don't have a great deal of faith that they're doing the best, I think they're doing the best they can, but I don't think they're as creative to understand what is doable. I mean, they did not realize what was doable when David Hahn put his thing together. I'm sorry. I'm a data security analyst where I work. You know, I've always been interested in science. Hacking, I was always used to go to 2600 meetings. I did publish an exploit against war dialers, which is about over 10 years ago, much more 10 years ago. I'm a survivor of 1993 bombing of World Trade Center, which for my experience, hold on a second. For my experience, people thinking that they could bomb the stock exchange and cause it to shut down, that's not gonna be the case because in 1993 what I did is, I was located to another building. I created a bunch of mainframe IDs for people and they ended up transmitting files back and forth through the mainframe into the lands. You know, we had, you know, you could use a binary transfer of the transfers so that was successful. My cousin on 9-11 died. He was New York City Fire Department captain. He was possibly promoted to Battalion Chief. I had my coin collection in a safe deposit box in the World Trade Center and I don't know, why don't I run that film here? My actual recovery of this from the World Trade Center, run it here. I don't see, there's no talks after me, so. That sounds like a good idea. And I'll still answer questions. Oh, it is being used. So unfortunately, the room is being used. I'll tell you, if you wanna ask more questions, ask more questions and then when I have to leave, and I'll just give you a little taste of what that, they give me a Q and A room. Actually, I guess say what? Why don't I move over to the Q and A room? So anybody wants to ask more questions? Anybody wants to see that film or that DVD of my recovery, yes? Yeah, the question, let me just read. The question was, why should I think the Department of Homeland Security is doing the best they can? And I have a very easy answer for that and you're not gonna like the answer. The answer is I'm a coward and the government seems to go after people who make waves. The government seems to have picked a number of people like in the anthrax, this is Dr. Hadfield, this other guy, then there was this professor up in New York State who was a professor of art and used bacteria cultures as a form of autistic expression and the government investigated him, the F.B.R. for a number of times. So I'm a coward. No, no, I'll tell you the reason why. I'm fine, I have other reasons. I'm 54 years old, so I work at a place where you don't have young people, little people. So I have cancer, I have an autistic son. So I'm a coward, I just gotta, if they say, I'm serious. So I'll shut this down, we'll go across, I'll play the film on my recovery and if you want, if we only have a couple of belts passed around the quarter, it's that they don't really have any creativity, they don't know how to build things on a small and they seem to think the government seems to, in their big picture, the people that they're gonna catch are very, very stupid and so far the people that they did catch and went to trial were very, very stupid. I mean, they couldn't, honestly, the people that they caught, they couldn't make a good cup of instant coffee yet alone run a cappuccino machine.