 that that's true or not. But like any celebrity, you can't, you can't get out unscathed. I mean, look, being a parent back then was a different thing. Well, you, you, you can, if you're not, you know, torturing your children. It's hard. It's hard. Well, and the kids all dispute whether Gary's stuff was true or not. So it could be exaggeration. It was also a time when corporal punishment was common, if not standard. None of them said he, all of his kids didn't, except for Gary, all of them deny that he's like, he never beat us. He's like, was there spankings? Yes. You know, was he a disciplinarian? Was he harsh? Yes. Merry Christmas, everyone. Sorry. I mean, you know, it's interesting is being cross, we also showed up on the episode of Battlestar Galactica. Really? Yeah, he was, he was Starbucks dad aboard the, well, he pretended to be Starbucks dad. Like his Star Galactica. Yeah, I thought he said he died soon after the 1977. Yeah, he died in October of 1977. I feel impossible. Battlestar, Battlestar has been around a long time. You sure it wasn't one of his kids? I remember it was, I think you are going to talk about the original Battlestar too. Yeah, which came out when 80? So it came out in the 70s. Right, but 79. Oh, no, I think you're Fred Astaire. Sorry. Oh, Fred Astaire. That's kind of cool. My bad. Oh, yeah, they're not all the same, Roger. They kind of aren't of me. I'm sorry. Off the sensitivity training for me. The the the legend is that Bing Crosby, after his, as he was walking back to the clubhouse, said that was a great game of golf, fellas. And then he had the heart attack and died. And those were his last words. But other people dispute that and say his actual last words were, let's get a coke. Like that was a great game of golf, fellas. Let's get a coke. And everybody's like, well, it's just not mentioned, but let's get a coke, bro. Maybe if you had a deal with Coke, you might say, you know what his actual last words were. I don't know. Does that is that work, though? I thought I thought the same thing. But I'm like, would Coke want to be associated with some of the last words? I don't know. Tell you what, that's what he wanted. Well, he was still alive. You get a coke. You'll die thirsty. Coke didn't kill him. He never got the Coke. Yeah, you'll die. Coke in heaven. Right. The drink being drink. Dying wish. Yeah, I know. You just have one more coke. Too soon. Oh, thank you. How about you? Catch me. Well, give me one of them. Justin, Robert Young, would you do me the honors of reading line three today? Oh, Tom, it would be my pleasure. Oh, fancastic, then. I will count you in at five works. Here we go. Five, four, three, two, one. Hello, friends. Anthony Marco has supported independent tech news directly for almost five years. Thanks, Anthony. Be like Anthony. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, December 20th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland, California. I'm Justin Robert Young. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Shane. Roger, are you OK? Yes. That's my voice breaking up. A little bit, a little bit. We're just we're concerned. I'm just going through a second childhood. Day 25 of Roger's cold. And he refuses to see a doctor. We are going to talk about whether we should fire up our angel fire in live journal and tripod sites in order to fix what everybody thinks wrong with social networks. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Qualcomm was granted a second injunction against Apple Thursday that bans Apple from selling some phones in Germany that use chips from Intel and Corvo. Apple says it plans to appeal. But for now, in the meantime, iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models won't be sold in its 15 real retail stores in the country of Germany. Uber is resuming on road testing of its autonomous cars in Pittsburgh Thursday. The company paused all testing in March after a woman was killed by an Uber autonomous car in Arizona. Uber will also put self driving cars back on the streets in San Francisco and Toronto. But those cars will not operate in full autonomous mode. Two safety drivers will be in all of the cars. Two by two. Ubers of blue. Some Slack users with ties to Iran found their accounts had been deactivated Thursday. The bans affected users living in several countries, including the U.S. Slack did not notify users beforehand that this was going to happen, so they didn't have time to create archives or back up their data. In a statement to The Verge, Slack said it complies with all U.S. regulations on embargoed countries, which prohibit Slack use in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Syria and the Crimea region of Ukraine. This issue likely is linked to IP addresses in Iran tied to a Slack workspace's primary owner, even if that owner isn't where that IP address is. All right, let's talk a little more about Amazon. Having a little data problem, Justin. An Amazon user in Germany got access to 1,700 recordings from another user of Amazon's assistant because of what the company says was an unfortunate case of human error. The user had requested his own files under the GDPR, but the link Amazon sent him also included the files of another user. The requester reported the error but got no response. However, Amazon subsequently deleted the stranger's files from the link, but the requester had already downloaded them all. Amazon told Reuters, quote, we resolve the issue with the two customers involved and took measures to further optimize our process as a precautionary measure we contacted the relevant authorities end quote. Well, I think we're gonna hear a lot more about little issues like this and it won't be just Amazon, but for Amazon to say, you know what this was? It was not our assistant's error. It was a human. Don't worry about what human that was. We're on the case, but it wasn't our assistant. Keep buying Echo Speakers. Thank you very much. The take I see a few people having out there is this is a forced error because of GDPR, that if GDPR wasn't forcing companies to comply with all these requests, even if they're not necessary, I mean, this user in Germany, by all accounts just was curious. It was not like he needed the stuff he just wanted to see, which is fair, you should be able to do that, but a lot more people are doing that now because of the GDPR. And therefore it's increasing the number of requests which increases the percentage chance of error. What do you guys think of that line of argument? I think, look, is it an explanation? Sure. I think it's safe to say that, you know, this would not have happened if GDPR hadn't come about and forced a lot of companies to make a lot of different changes to accommodate these kinds of requests. Is it an excuse? No, it's not, it's not. Dems the rules of the road. It's what you have to do. I think that this is fairly obviously some kind of a human error. Thankfully it was only limited to a spot case unless we start hearing more of it. But this is, I don't know, at some point someone's gonna drop the salary and try to put it on display. Yeah, this is also not sort of like, oh, I meant to send an email to Tom Merritt and I sent it to Sarah Land instead. Whoops, oh well. This is 1700 recordings that happened within someone's private home between the person who owns the speaker and whoever might have been in the room at the time or perhaps just them. That's a lot. That's a huge privacy issue. And sure, it's a fluke. Let's call it a fluke. Human error, okay, fine. Go ahead and that's fine with me. But if this happened to me, I mean, it's such a privacy breach, a personal privacy breach. I don't know how I would feel about it. I know I would be extremely upset and I would get rid of all my speakers. The one thing I would like to point out is a lot of people are saying, well, obviously humans handling this was the problem and they should automate the system in the future to prevent this, which is the exact opposite argument you have every time an algorithm messes up and say, you know what we need is humans looking over this to make sure that the algorithm starts screwing things up. So I just want to point out that every time there's an error with one thing, the opposite thing is presented as the solution when, you know, maybe it's not that easy. Maybe it's just men, maybe sometimes mistakes just happen. Well, all systems are fallible. And I'm glad that we find them so we can patch them and move on. Totally. Well, some customers are upset about this next story as well. After some customers on social media and a few Mac rumors forums claimed that their new iPad pros seem to have small curves or perhaps bends either out of the box or soon after being taken out of the box, Apple confirmed to the Verge that yes, some 2018 iPad pro models indeed are shipping with a slight bend in the aluminum chassis. Apple says this is due to the cooling process that involves the iPad pros, metal and plastic components during manufacturing, but it's not gonna impair performance. It's not gonna get worse. And Apple does not consider it a defect. You're worrying about it wrong. All right. Let me ask you this question. So you got a bent iPad. What's the problem? Apple's new slogan, get bent. Yeah, finally a bent Wookie for our own generation. Will they swap one out for you? They will if it's within 14 days of purchase. That's just the standard thing. They have not said they'll do anything exceptional for this yet. We're waiting to see if they say, oh, if it bothers you, bring it back even outside the 14-day return. But any product, you get a 14-day return. If it's so cool that it's not a defect, then it's so cool that you can resell it. That's my opinion. You should be able to go get a non-bent iPad pro. Well, and as the Verge noted, and many publications posted about this once it got some traction, but they did just that. And their second iPad pro was also bent. So if it's a bunch of 2018 models, just because you get a new iPad pro, it might not solve the issue. If it bothers you, that's why Apple's saying, nothing's wrong with your iPads. It's not like the iPhone 6 where it seems to be impairing function. It just looks weird. On the other hand, Apple prides itself. If this was another company, I might let them go. But Apple prides itself on machining and manufacturing being pristine, things that feel good in the hand and look good to the eye. No, that doesn't. You pay for form and finish. So if you're unhappy with the form and finish, then I think that even if it takes, throwing 15 of these boomerangs back at them, that you can get more people on the level. Just so you know, Justin is being metaphorical. They aren't bent quite as bad as a boomerangs. Modern encryption is based on a one-way process. It's difficult to reverse. It's usually multiplication of primes or something like that. However, quantum computing promises to make that reversal easy, if not trivial. So the worry has been, how are we going to encrypt things when quantum computing becomes ubiquitous? Well, a team of engineers at Penn State have developed an encryption protocol that is unclonable and unable to be reverse engineered. To do that, you need truly random numbers, not from a random engine on a computer, but like truly random, which is a very difficult thing to do. So the engineers look to something that has no mathematical basis, human T cells. They take photographs of a two-dimensional array of 2,000 T cells and digitize it. Pixels that are where a T cell is become ones and empty space pixels become zeros and you create the key. Living cells stay for a long time, at least in computer terms for sure, and move around randomly so they can be photographed repeatedly to create new keys. In a recent issue of advanced theory and simulations, the team notes that even if someone knew the cell type, the cell density, the key generation rate, the key sampling instance, it's impossible for anyone to breach this system. Wow. I mean, never say never, right? As soon as you say it's possible, somebody will figure out some workaround you didn't anticipate. But mathematically speaking, this is impossible to reverse engineer. If you're gonna crack it, you'll have to come at it some other way. Well, the well part of this is the fact that after all of encryption's issues and shortcomings and the need to make it better and breaches and privacy and data and all that stuff, human T cells are actually what we're looking towards now as, you know what, this actually might be the safest way to go about this, back to the human body. They're immune to hacking. Yeah. Yeah, this is insane. Mr. Roger. It's kind of leaves you speechless. It really does. I mean, really, I can't say anything to that. I'll tell you what, did you fit that story to a T? Ha! About 110,000 passengers on 760 flights at Gatwick Airport have had their flights disrupted because of drones flying over the airfield. Sussex police said that they don't believe that this is terror related, but it is a deliberate act of disruption based on industrial specification drones. Gatwick Chief Operating Officer Chris Woodruff said police didn't wanna shoot the devices down because of the risk from stray bullets. The Army has been brought in to assist with specialized equipment. Subbed Justin Burton Shaw, Head of Armed Policing for Sussex and Surrey said quote, each time that we believe we get close to the operator, the drones disappear. When we look to reopen the airfield, the drones reappear. Now, hopefully they have found this person by the time you listened to this, but I thought that this morning, when I first saw this and they still haven't figured it out, advanced persistent threat, country on country disruption, prankster, hard to tell. This is like a modern Sherlock Holmes story, right? There's something very dastardly about this kind of thing. And also it's like, man, talk about just tremendous disruption during the holidays, no less, just shutting down an airport. That's why we need those trained eagles or those nets that we heard about and ways to defend airports against drones. We need those here. It worked for Lord of the Rings. I mean, part of me is like, how did this not happen sooner? Because if it's a certain kind of drone, yeah, you can't fly within a certain area of airspace and those who have such a license would know that. So I can see why authorities are like, this is deliberate, somebody's screwing with us, right? It kind of reminds me of the era where in the movie theater someone was pointing the red light at the screen and upsetting everybody. It's like, okay, well, you're not hurting anybody, but to disrupt this many folks, hundreds of thousands of passengers flying during the holiday season goes above and beyond a prank. Oh no, this might not be terror related, but this is, I mean, disruption is a kind of term for what this is. No, this is millions of dollars in either lost revenue or money spent by these airlines to re-accommodate all these passengers. I mean, the reason why you don't see it stuff like this is because this isn't just one wackadoodle flying his drone around. This is a big coordinated effort, right? And it is hella illegal. Like this is like some real- Oh yeah. Well, this is not like, oh, you scamp. Like someone's really getting in trouble for this. The mind wonders if some organization might have an axe to grind against the UK for some reason. All right, I'm gonna invoke some executive privilege here. I've been doing this kind of show for more than 10 years. I've been doing this show almost five years and usually I only include stories if they have a direct impact on the consumer, but I've also been talking about copyright for 12 years and I am ready to celebrate as Smithsonian Magazine notes January 1st, 2019 for the first time in 20 years since before podcasting, some copyrighted works in the United States will pass naturally into the public domain. Among the items from 1923 that will become public resources will be Robert Frost's Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening poem. The song Yes We Have No Bananas, Public Domain as of January 1st. The stage adaptation of the picture of Dorian Gray by Theodore Pratt and the movie The Ten Commandments as directed by Cecil B. DeMille. The gap was caused by the Sunny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act, which added 20 years to the existing US copyright protection in 1998, making works that were made before 1978 become protected for 95 years and anything produced after 1978 protected for 70 years plus the life of the author. Mickey Mouse went at that time from passing into the public domain in 2004 to now staying protected until 2024. So clock is ticking for Disney to start lobbying to extend that act again. Well, you mentioned, Tom, that this might not be something that directly affects the consumer, but think about the YouTube mashups. Right. That could be created from these works of art. Oh my God, right? Or just the, yes, we have no bananas, cinematic universe. Yeah, we're going to wait for that in 2019. Finally. Well, Robert Frost is a great example. Everyone knows, you know, I took the path less traveled by poem. Why? 1919. That one's been in public domain for a long time, but a poem from four years later, no one can use without permission. So it's virtually unknown. Yeah, I mean, look, this is obviously a very controversial issue. I think the question that we should have with stuff like this is not only when is it a better public resource and when should the law not be in between somebody who wants to make something or reproduce something, but also it's like, what is the benefit of having it being reproduced? I think for something like Robert Frost, look, there's a lot of stuff there that the world would benefit by cheap copies of his poems being put out into more hands. And a lot of our historical perspective on the 20s is skewed toward the early 20s because that stuff's more accessible and you don't need permission to put it in your work of history that you're putting out there talking about. You don't want to use, yes, we have no bananas over your podcast without permission until January 1st, and we can. You need to open your first live, you need to open your first live DTNS with, yes, we have. The five year anniversary show should open with, yes. We have no bananas. We have no bananas. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. Jason Kiebler from Motherboard wrote a blurb today suggesting we should replace Facebook with personal websites. Now, he kind of waxes philosophical about his old sites that he used to have. I think he had a tripod site, which is still up that he points to. And he writes that Facebook isn't really all that much better or more convenient for publishing anyway than having your own website or sending emails or chats. But for some reason, Facebook and Instagram are where we post now. And Jason posits that he wished he had given up control of his publishing and just kept doing his website. Now, of course, the other side of this is, it's sure you can publish through your own website and emails and chat, but are your friends and the people you want to reach there, are they paying attention? Because they're paying attention to Facebook for good or ill. And that's the other side of this equation. One of the solutions that gets touted to this is decentralized social networks so that you can easily tell people go here and see all of my stuff and I'll see your stuff. And there are a lot of them. Just today, I came across a listing on Hacker News for something called PocketNet, which uses the blockchain to create a decentralized social network platform. It's not alone. And it's certainly not the best bet. There's also Mines and Memo and Sola and Steemit and SocialX and more. None of them has the momentum yet. But seeing this on motherboard made me think, Justin, I've been saying for a long time this pendulum's gonna swing back against the centralization of this kind of publishing. Are we at the apex of the swing here? Is somebody gonna crack this and figure it out? If I had money to bet and I were forced to, I would bet no. We are not at the tipping point for these kinds of sites. And I say that with a heavy heart because man, as somebody who came of age professionally in the blog Revolution, it was something that I think back now tremendously fondly of. I loved my little visit from house to house. It's still the predominant way that I get my news. I don't spend a lot of time on Facebook these days. And I would say that publishers and websites probably greatly regret the siren call of Facebook as the predominant way that they could garner clicks as Facebook has become more and more restrictive of that. So that being said, to me, the moment that things took an irreversible turn toward the social was the fade of RSS readers and the fact that even the kind of an industry standard with Google was something that they didn't think was really worth it to push into because that to me was the way that if you wanna like, okay, well, you gotta make sure that your friends are paying attention. You wanna make sure that people are doing that. In my mind, in the odds, I thought that the next step was going to be smarter, better, faster, clever of evolutions to RSS to make sure that you got a personalized experience within by going out and tapping all these different kinds of places. And then obviously we just found out that the easier way to do it was to go into these walled gardens on Twitter and Facebook and just get the social proof of what our friends are into as the way that we would understand the world around us. Yeah, somebody who was blogging, I don't know, from when I first realized how to put together a movable type of cascading tile sheet and then I moved on to type pad and I've been blogging for a while. Blogging was the thing. Not everybody did, but those who were enthusiastic about it we had each other on our blog roles which was a little bit of a social network, right? And yeah, it was something that worked pretty well for a while and then it got to the point where social networks existed and then, okay, I've still got my private blog that I, or my public blog, but my personal blog that I'm updating and I can certainly easily share a link on social media but now I'm asking people to click out of that and no one wants to do it. So I can just write it in there. So I think that my sentiment is shared by a lot of folks where there was no real, this is better. It was more just, well, yeah, I want people to read the stuff I'm writing, the pictures that I'm sharing and this is before the days of Instagram. Times have changed somewhat but I am very much of the mind, particularly when you might be, I don't know, you're posting a new podcast episode and you really want to be able to quantify the numbers of people who are visiting your website to click and watch something. All the social networks, those numbers are a little bit weird and we all know that having worked in the business for some time. So I don't know if it's the answer to try to get everybody to just get their own domains again and make it all back to the old days of blogging but I certainly do miss them in the sense that I knew that if somebody was actually visiting my blog that visitor number counted for something and if they were commenting, it took a lot more effort than it does these days. Yeah, let me pause at something and try out an idea. I think the key to the rise of social networks in general and particularly Facebook was the ease of finding your friends and then the ease of communicating with them. Cause GeoCities had all of the things, right? You know, you create your page, you can link to other pages, you can be in neighborhoods with people, live journal as well, but Facebook made it super easy to find people and also by design or dumb luck became the place that everybody wanted to be so that it was a self-fulfilling prophecy that you wanted to be on Facebook because that's where everybody was. Well, and before that it was MySpace. Well, but Facebook really became because of the exclusivity with the college kids and then it became a desired thing and once it got momentum, then it was like, well, I should be on Facebook because everybody's on Facebook, you know? And it snowballed from there. And now it's hard to get away for a lot of people cause they're like, yeah, but that's where my family is. That's where my friends are. That's where I communicate. That's where I talk about things. So to get people off of that, you have to provide an easy compelling switch and it has to give them something they don't want or give them something they want that Facebook doesn't like freedom that is easy enough and compelling enough that they'll go to the trouble to start the move and it has to have an attractive enough business plan to get the venture capital to get off the ground. And that's the thing. Where is the buy-in when you're saying, no, set up your own thing in space where certainly, you know, is it just that you're gonna sell ads on that? You know, I don't know. I guess, business-wise, I don't necessarily see it, but man, what I love. There is something very delightful to me to the idea that we could be going back to a world where we could all have our own little towns. We could visit it and I'd add all of you guys to my blog role. I mean, it's not impossible for an open source project to take off, but it's harder. The way you jumpstart this is with money and marketing to get people like, hey, you tired of giving your data away? Come to this place. It's safe and decentralized and open. I mean, it can be open source and venture capital backed. That would be the ideal way to make it work. Making it work as a grassroots organization, as we've seen with Mastodon and all these others, really difficult, really difficult to get the momentum. And also, I don't know if giving your data away is a problem in the way that would motivate a Mastodon audience. It's over indexed in the press for sure. I mean, I think it's getting there. If it is gonna get there, it'll get there in the next few years, I would think, but I don't know. Some people, data is just not something that a lot of people understand. Yeah, Beatmaster says a Facebook with Wikipedia pledge. Maybe Wikipedia did it. A personal appeal, yeah. Well, one social network that we love very much is our very own subreddit. And thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. If you wanna hang out on Facebook, well, you know what? We're not gonna leave you out. Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show is where to go. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. Tyness from, he says, almost Christmas and sunny Cape Town says, one of the potential practical uses of AI tech is actually in games. We were talking about this on a recent show. As somebody who has played games since the dawn of 3D graphics, I can remember games with 100 characters all using the same face. It's time consuming to generate those characters. Today, we have far better tools and huge libraries of stock images to use, but I can see the use of this technology to generate a whole clan of elves with familial similarities or weird wasteland creatures deformed all procedurally. Open World Games takes a million men plus to build today and I can see this technology being used to reduce that over time. Totally, yeah, using that artificial face creation suddenly makes games or movies, crowd scenes. You can have more realistic looking crowd scenes with fake people in the background. We also asked folks to send us examples of where a div tag could potentially break a site in Edge but not in Chrome that wasn't designed to do that, an accidental way that would happen. And we got a couple of responses. Andrew from Snowless Colorado Springs talked about something called feature flags which allow a company to turn on or off features without needing to deploy an entire new version of the site. If you created a new section for a website using a feature flag, a possible mistake could be to accidentally put a containing div outside of the feature flag if statement. This would potentially be tough to catch and the release that contained this plug probably would have a decent number of other changes or was one of multiple releases that day. So pinpointing a performance degradation in a lesser used product was probably low on the priority list and did not merit a no-go even if it was caught. Andrew says, I don't mean to condone Google but I wanted to represent the potential process by which this could happen. And Liz in our Slack said, I don't know the specifics about the hidden div tag that broke YouTube on Edge but Edge is very intolerant of unclosed and unbalanced div tags where other browsers seem to compensate for those errors and we'll render what it can. Edge will just not render the rest of the document. What it sounds like to me could be an honest coding error and in my opinion, a serious failure of prioritizing other vendor browsers in QA test coverage. Well, thanks everybody who gives us feedback every week and also thanks to Justin Robert Young for being on our fine fine show today. Justin, where can people find you and hang out with you over the holidays? Oh, you know, you can hang out. I can be a part of your life all year round. Sarah, if you only go to twitter.com slash Justin are young and follow me there. 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Also, a very nice way of saying, let's just stop singing, Tom. Yeah, no more. I get the hint. Wait until the second when I just do- Not in the public domain, Tom. Yes, we have no bananas for an hour. It's coming. I'm sorry, Roger, you were saying. No bio break for hackers. That's the whole randomized T cells to make encryption keys. Stop trolling the Interport. That is a wild story. That is a crazy story, really is. How about it's time to Facebook Facts? Or is it time to Facebook Facts? Because we actually are not sure that it's time. This is probably the cover. Just escape from Planet Facebook is pretty good for me. Yeah, I like that one. Let's do that. Two minutes to go from the BBC. No end in sight to Gatwick Disruption. I'm now obsessed with this. Yeah. When it, I saw it this morning, I'm like, whoa, that's weird, but I'm sure they'll figure it out. And when it was still a story for the show, I was like, this is getting out of hand. This is getting crazy. And it does kinda, you know, I don't wanna be an alarmist, but it does start to raise the conspiracy theories. Like because the longer something goes without a reasonable explanation, the more likely it is something unreasonable, right? Right. Well, it's all about finding the people that are flying the drones, you know? They say, well, every time we think we're good, then another drone shows up, we gotta shut down the runways again. And they haven't found them. I'm just looking. And like where, you can only be so far. Although, I guess, you know, when you're talking a certain kind of industrial drone, you can be pretty far. So, yeah, I don't, I mean. Especially in the right way. It's a fascinating story in perplexing, really. I mean, how are they gonna just follow the drone with their own drone? Well, but what if the drone is just designed to like get to the airport and then it's disposable and then there'll be another drone? I don't think that's what's happening, but I mean, that could explain it, if that's what it was. I wonder how many drones are at play here because there's gonna be, I mean, this has to be a tremendous cost. Are they capturing the drones and then more show up? I thought it was just the drones show up and then disappear and they weren't able to get them. It's like, all right, but to maintain secrecy. Yeah. Like. It's a sophisticated, it seems like it would be a sophisticated outfit, right? Though the army is called as being called in. Yeah, I said that on the show. Dude, this is going to be hell for drone regulation though. Yeah. I want everybody to chill out. That's what I want. That's our holiday wish. Just chill out, you know. Think of all those people or try to go somewhere for the holidays and it sucks already. I don't know what specifics are with drones. Yeah. We suspect, who benefits from this, right? Cause we, it's either a prank where somebody's just trolling or. Yeah. You seem to be conspiratorially glancing towards state sponsored. I mean, I, and the reason I don't say it is because I've tried very hard not to play that card, right? Because that's the card everybody jumps to. And I'm surprised I'm not seeing more people jump to it, but it, it starts to, and if they're saying, we don't think it's a terrorist organization. By the way. Right. I don't know. It seems to be a pretty well, a tightly formed, coordinated, expensive operation, you know, to be, to be a sophisticated prank. Well, yeah. I see what you're saying. In that sense, it's like, who would pay, like a, really think about it. Okay, like anarchy, great. But who would actually put together, you know, the money and the resources to carry out something like this? Are you saying this is state sponsored of? I'm saying, I'm saying one starts to go in that direction when you think about what a big deal this is. But it's, you know, this is how the employee, could be like a really sophisticated aviation enthusiast, drone expert, disgruntled employee. Could be, could be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty sophisticated, but it's not impossible for somebody who really knows what they're doing. It's sophisticated, but it's in the scheme of things, it's not all that expensive to pull off, you know, in terms of, you know, for other things to harass or an effect in the airport. Well, I mean, it really depends on how many drones, which is something that we don't know. And I would say also these kinds of stories, we don't exactly know what is going on because, you know, what looks like many could be less than what we initially think. That being said, BBC has a collection of people tweeting about their Gatwick stories, and they are rich in drama and emotion. Tom Rich at Rich Tea Biscuit says, my friend Jimbo is stuck in San Francisco. He's not going to be able to make it back for Christmas drinks with the boys this Saturday and we're all devastated. He might not be home for Christmas, which is even worse. Hashtag get Jimbo home for Christmas or Jimbo. Jimbo, our thoughts and prayers are with you. Yeah. It goes to fly out of Gatwick to some other Marietus to spend first. Mauritius? Mauritius maybe. To spend first Christmas with our family in four years. Some staff was lovely, others not, but lovely British Airways customer service lady on the phone was amazing. Thanks Vicki. On the plus side, I'll get to send Christmas with my other half this year. Peace on earth. Yes, we have no flights for you. Yes. We have no more flights. The yes, we have no more bananas, bothers me for, shouldn't it be no? We have no more bananas. No. That's the fun thing. That's the gimmick, right? Is it? Cause they're like, wait, he said yes, but he's saying no. That's clever in 1912. We have no bananas today. Oh, and you sing it that way. Yeah, you guys, we're first yet. We can't do this. Whatever happened to those eagles from the Netherlands? What if we became the last people sued for improper use of yes, we have no bananas? Dutch. Those Dutch eagles, they can send them in just like a replay of Lord of the Rings at the end, or Lord of the Rings. The Dutch eagles? You know the ones that they trained, the police. Oh, right. Right. No, I mentioned that. Where are the eagles? I know that's what I said at the beginning of the fellowship of the ring. Why don't they just take eagles straight to the mountain and skip all the walking? The response is like it worked for Lord of the Rings. Six hours. We could have been saved six hours. You have to walk. You can't fly in. That's why. It's a no-fly zone. Mordor. Well, but if somebody was smart enough or there was a good state-sponsored coordinated attack, Mordor should be toast. Honestly, Frodo was a state-sponsored, like Gondor funded his expedition. I suppose that's true. Like this is a thing. You could put Lego Loss in whatever amazing elf archers on the back of the eagles. They could fly combat air support, and they would basically screen the skies. Look at these pretty strong eagles. Yeah, but they're huge eagles. I mean, they may as a... A Lord of the Rings eagles could be any size. A lone actor thought to be funded by the states of Gondor and Rivendell was discovered trying to penetrate our borders this morning. Frodo Baggins was apprehended at the gate. He smelled heavily of burnt weed. What? That's the whole thing. They spoke weed, right? The hobbits? Yes. Says who? Not at that point of the story at all. They smoke some tobacco, or is it something else in the shire? Yeah. Oh, I don't even remember that, but okay. Stays in your system. Sure, yeah. They're going to jail, Frodo. You leave the Lord of Gondor alone. Fell and throw away the key. What do you have against them? They're fine. If you put Easterlings on a bunch of war elephants, you can put a bunch of amazing... Mordor has instituted sanctions against Rivendell and Gondor after the incident. Yeah, but they didn't trade anyway. Yeah, no, that's the joke, Roger. Wait till Qualcomm gets word of this. And just saying, eagles with archers on the back would have been an amazing way to get them straight to the volcano, drop it in the Dianetics pool of lava and fly back. They would have been burned to a crisp before they even crossed the border. That's the risk. But as long as the ring is destroyed, isn't that the... No, but the ring wouldn't have been destroyed. It would have just fallen out of their hands. Orcs pick it up, bring it to Sauron, Bob's your uncle, world's dominated. And you've got roast owls to boot, or whatever they were. They're eagles. Yeah. You know, you can put your spin on this, Tom, when Lord of the Rings goes into public domain. He's halfway there already. Been writing a book. Or a really good press release, I mean. Lord of the Rings is told from the Mordor side. It's a tragic tale of the destruction of a successful country. Exactly, no, you do your wicked. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The orcs misunderstood. I just wanted to make Middle Earth. You just like, you know, smashing stuff. What do you think, Oat? He says, I think the orcs are pretty cool. Mordor was just a progressive industrial power looking to better society. Was it truly progressive or was it just old? And it was trying to be dragged down by these recidivist countries around it. I would modernize their economies. Well, you know, you can make the argument that Mordor was kind of the industrial revolution in the heart of Middle Earth. That's the exact argument I'm making right now. Yes. Well, you didn't make it. You should say there was a progressive. I just got beaten or two behind today. Just a beat. Industrialization doesn't imply being progressive. I said it was the industrial. Never mind. Just don't beat. We get the beat. One of the go-go's go into public domain. That's what I want to know. Will we pick up the beat? Video folks, you'll never know. I'll show folks, stick around. There's hope.