 Welcome back after the break just before we went for a break. We were we began looking at chapter nine, but money and We were looking at I asked this question, you know, how do you know you have love for money? So many of you shared your thoughts You know, we're ready to do anything for money when you're holding up money, you know, sometimes We give more importance to people who give us big offering compared to people who give us You know small offerings, okay, and sometimes we're willing to compromise our honesty our integrity in doing things that are wrong dishonest Just to raise money in the name of God in the name of ministry, okay Also, sometimes we connect ourselves with bigger churches with Greater men and women of God bigger men and women of God were famous So that, you know, we can get larger Contributions, okay, so all of these are some things that will show us are indicators that show us that we have The love for money, okay Also, when we keep money for ourselves, they're not willing to give it out to help others into minister to others, okay Now some people join Christian ministry because they think they can it's an easy way to make a lot of Money, right? Because when you have a church, you know, all you need to do is Preach a sermon on Sunday Do some house visits people will give you money easy way to get money Which is a very sad way of thinking sad way of getting into ministry Also, some of them think that when you know, why is why did I think ministry is an easy way of getting money? Why do some of them think that ministry is an easy way of getting money? No need to work hard. Yes Nobody's setting you some goals. You have to do that. You're your own church. You do what you want. Just easily What else? How is an easy way to get money? You have your own ministry Christian NGO Church foreign funds right in right to Foreigners, you know Christian Organization and churches abroad and give them your sad story how you are from India and they all think India is a very very poor country You know, and they just send money, okay and Sometimes we even invite You know overseas Worship leaders ministers and we say we'll do crusades for you will organize Programmes for you here and then when we do that we can even cheat them You know the cost is so much if it's if it the whole cost comes up to 1 lakh We tell them 3 lakh, you know because they just believe anything and everything that we Say and so that ways we take away huge money Sometimes we have Christian organizations. We say we are having a orphanage or a de-addiction center or for poor people You know poor children, whatever, you know, we're doing Sunday collect funds, but we can use that funds that come in for our own Cells and all this is dishonest and God is watching. Okay We also think that Yeah, we also to start branches asking contribution. Yes, we want to start branch churches these and we also ask Contributions. Yes, right We need to sow spiritually in people and let them give that get let them give us materially, okay So as ministers of God, it's important for us to think how we can Sow into the lives of people how we can be good shepherds by leading them beside Water, you know greener pastures feeding them well feeding their soul when we feed them, you know Spiritually, they will just pour into our lives God will cause them to just pour into our lives and to take care of the material needs our material needs and also the The church so we need to sow faithfully so Consistently and also teach people to give into the kingdom of God, okay So that is very very important that we think how we can Help so into their lives how we can feed them how we can teach them How we can minister to them how we can get them into their calling their destiny God-given destiny calling Assignment for their lives how they can we can help them fulfill God's plan and purpose how we can extend God's kingdom even as we do this, you know God with Will pour into our lives, okay? God is not any man's debtor. He will just pour when he pours into our lives a cup will be pressed down shaken and overflowing, okay, because The summer says one thing I have seen the righteous. I've never seen the righteous begging for food Okay, so we don't have to beg from anyone. Should we be dependent on foreign support? Why some of you are saying no Why do you think we should not be dependent on foreign support? We as Indians, why do you think we should not be dependent on foreign support? We need to depend on God. Okay. Come on. Give me some answers On online students. Why shouldn't we depend on foreign support? Those of us who are based here in India Or even other parts of the world, why should we not depend on foreign support? God is able to fulfill our need Okay, for a meter says there was this. Okay. I think she's just giving her the son Okay, why shouldn't we depend on foreign support? We have enough wealth within our own nation, right? Andrew says God provides if he wouldn't provide he wouldn't call himself Jehovah Jaira. Wow. What a statement. Yes Okay, good statement. Thank you Andrew You know God has given us enough wealth to you know Reach out to our nation But what is important is that we have a right heart a right mindset to tap into it and To use the funds in the right way And to do the things that God wants us to do in the right way with honesty and integrity Okay, what do you think in the villages and Smaller towns today have the kind of wealth To support themselves Just yes, I think yes, you know what they did in Mizoram Mizoram is way up in the north of India You know every time the women come for Bible study or worship they bring one a Handful of rice and they sell that rice and with that rice. They have supported missionaries all over India and the world Imagine just a handful of rice. I think that's such a powerful Destiny to what God can do he when he can multiply the five loaves and two fishes Why not on small Handful of rice that women will bring that is all because they grow rice, you know There's no way they can get economy up there in the hills You know everything is so expensive there because they don't have any factories nothing. They can't grow anything. It's all hilly terrain They grow rice. They just bring a handful of rice and that they sell it and they support their pastors and missionary and do mission work amazing, okay Kofi says what will supply our needs according to his riches in Christ Jesus Amen, okay? So what do you think? The the towns and the villages in India should do if they don't have the resources and the finances who should help them I Think they are quite sufficient in themselves to help themselves But if they want to get started who should help them? What do you think should help them? We only yes, it should be us right as City churches who have enough we can get them started support them and get them to a place where they will be able to self-support Them okay, so God has given us enough resources opportunities where we can tap and get the resources and money that we need for our Ministry, but we need to be intelligent in the way we do it do it honorably So that you know, we will receive God's provision and abound in the work that he has asked us to Do okay, so parameda says let me read what parameda says She says that there was this pastor He shared a pastor shared this incident he along with his wife used to minister in a house church And they just pray and worship and they don't take any offering this disappointed the pastor This place is far away from his house. It's financial crisis, but still traveled even leaving his children Okay They don't take offering okay, so There's another pastor was disappointed. Maybe he didn't get any There's a second part of this question Okay, my question is was this pastor wrong to accept offerings of the people coming to the house church Should have provided offerings. Can you just give me the whole scenario explain it? I'm not able to understand This was the same pastor. He was like why they are not Mmm, I mean why they are not giving offerings So the pastor and his wife have started a church and they don't Started this church Okay, so pastor goes to some other church to minister. Yes, ma'am and They in that church. They don't give any offerings Yes, ma'am This was just a house church. They don't do any sort of offerings This is a house church. So he goes this pastor goes there to minister Right, that's what you say. Yes, ma'am. Okay, and then he the people coming to house church The question was was this pastor wrong to accept expect offerings Yeah, he was wrong to expect offerings He's not going there to preach and teach to peddle God's word God's word is not to earn money God's word is to Build people to strengthen people to edify them. You know to share the gospel for life transformation Uh, it is not for us to earn our living but you know, but God is Will provide so even if they did not Provide him offerings. He should not be upset because this is anyway just a house church He should just have gone to bless them Right. What do you what what do the others think? To this pastor who went to minister in this house church and he did not get offerings So the question is was this pastor wrong to expect offerings? What do you think was he wrong to expect offerings can others give you a suggestion? Yes, he was wrong because Jesus has given us freely. Jesus said I've given you freely freely receive and freely give Amen. Oh, you should have accepted. Yeah Yeah, so she's quoting from the bible great freely you have received freely give That's the final statement. Thank you get rude. Yes So the people coming to this church should have provided offerings. What do you think should they have provided offerings? No, even if they did not give a cup of tea or water. I don't think they did anything wrong You know, okay, and we should not expect We just go to preach and teach God's word. Thank you for Amita for sharing that Scenario, okay What are some things that we shouldn't do? You know as ministers of God, what shouldn't we do, you know Sometimes we tell people, you know, I'm operating this church this ministry by faith Um, but you know there I have so many Needs when you're living by faith. Why should you state your Needs only the person asks hey, what are your needs? How can I help you say it? But you know, uh, they indirectly hint at you know, I need help Okay, that is wrong. Another thing is, you know Trying to get people to contribute by saying it as a prayer request You know saying we have a prayer request. This is the need You know pray that God would give but indirectly we're actually asking people Okay, if you want to ask people directly, just tell them directly. Hey, this is a need Would anyone like to Contribute and then say if you want, you know, just pray about how much God's leading you to contribute Or just say that you know, you just pray that God would stir the hearts of people. Okay um Sometimes also people. What do they do? What are the some things that they do wrong to get money for their ministry? What are some things that they do wrong or they should not be doing to get money for their ministry? They go behind big politicians businessmen They do what they want them to do say what they want to do so that you know, they can provide for them What else do we do? As what do what does the pastors do to get money from their congregation members? Come on. What did pastors do to get money from their congregation members? They may Mix up their money means like if they're doing something for church They cost this much, but they will show the morbid of that Okay What do pastors do when they are on the pulpit and they speak about the sun? What do they? They ask money with wrong motives. Okay. They force people to give Right. They force people to give they say if you don't give what happens God is going to punish you. God is not going to bless you only when you give you will Receive and then they'll say I prayed and God is saying all those who are wearing gold earrings to remove your gold earrings and give You know all those who have 500 rupees in your pocket. You have to give that You know, or if it's a poor church all those who have 100 rupees, they'll know at least some people have 100 or 50 rupees You have to give that. Okay. So that is all Manipulating people Kofi says they're selling things in church Yes, okay. They sell things in church Okay What else we shouldn't do we should we should not emotionally manipulate people to Give money. Okay. Just share the need Okay, and leave people to Give anyone here has Tighting in the old testament. Is it applied in the new testament? Yes This applied in the new testament Jesus says give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar gift to God what belongs to God gift to God what belongs to him? Okay For the work of the extension and the kingdom What else? Okay um Anyone here has done fundraising before. How have you gone about doing fundraising? Yes, sister get rude My question is anyone has involved in fundraising before and how you've gone about it What are some of the things you have done? No one online students sister, I had ministry for children I I used to Get a sponsorship for each child often child and I used to collect money and personally go and give it to the parents And I had around 16 children sponsored But during the covid time I stopped Okay So, how did you uh, how did you manage? How did you manage those funds transparency? What what? How would transparent wear what are the things you did? Yes, I uh, whatever I received. I gave it to the Children, I brought books for them. I paid their yearly fees And those who have a single parent. I helped the parents with the Amount so all that I received I gave it plus I made my children also sponsored them Okay, so how did you those who sponsored them? How did you uh, you know keep? Um, accountability How did you maintain? I have to send their record of studies and I used to Update them how they're progressing in their studies. What is happening? I have to even give them the Photocopies of the checks that I've given them the money that I received. So it was a very transparent Dealing financial dealing I had so You know, and uh when last time I was in a meeting uh pastor said that Though people brought objection people were not happy with your ministry. God was pleased with your ministry Okay, thank you. Get rude. I think that's very important To be transparent to be accountable to those who are giving you the money anyone else Yeah so, uh I had a personal uh christian youtube channel So from my channel, uh, I posted a video to support the food people at the karuna town So many of them helped me. So, uh, I took that money and buy the rice tracks for pastors And I took that money for uh buying the black kids and clothes for widows and food people We used to collect the money and make the food for one day me And we distributed our book this past time Good, uh, but how did you maintain accountability? So for all this money and uh, uh, my father, uh, He would take care about everything. So he will collect the money and he will show you all the things what what we Okay Anyone else? Thank you. Cyril, right? Thank you Let's see. Yes Anyone else? Yes I arranged a meeting in our church and collected money. I only collected money and uh arranged everything And uh That meeting all finished after that I wrote everything in my Book Very good So you had a meeting the church after the meeting he presented all the accounts to the people. That's good And what we do at apc anyone can go online from any part of the world and check You know, what are the contributions have come? What is spent for missions? What is spent for this program that program? Transparency is there there is auditors who do our auditing Everything is very transparent anyone can raise questions and ask questions. I think that is how we need to be A transparent Cyril says ma'am in our area of any ministry is constructing a church The people of that congregation will go to collect funds from branch churches or other ministry churches Is it correct to collect funds like that? What are you? What is your answer for Cyril's? query he says In his area if any ministry is constructing a church the people of that congregation Will go to collect funds from branch churches or other ministry churches Is it correct to collect funds like that? What do you all think? Is it okay to collect funds like that? Yes, if it's useful, it's good Okay We can collect the funds, but what should you do? How do you be faithful? You only use for that purpose. Okay, but also you Get them to put it in the account not in your personal account Open a separate account just for this church building fund and put it there And show them how it is being used Lucy says yes, we can ask for money Yes, just to share my experience. I was in a ministry where we started a new project for Teens in schools and we were supposed to raise funds So we had another Organization help us they will give 50 percent and You know, we had to raise a rest 50 percent. So if you raise we raise thousand rupees They will give us matching funds thousand rupees if we raise 50,000 they'll give us 50,000 and I just don't like asking people for money I don't even ask like asking my parents for money This is asking people was a very very difficult situation for me So what as a leader what I did was I just You know sent emails and I Just gave out letters and I didn't follow up. I didn't even ask them whether they read my email Whether they that I'm in in in those days. There was no whatsapp and mobile and on I just asked them if they no one even asked him to receive my email if they Receive my letter. I just pray You know and God used to give us God would just tear the hearts of people to contribute and we used to get that money and we should show it to the Organization that was supporting us and we were getting 50 50 50 percent from them Of the matching funds, of course, it was not coming to our account. It was going into the ministry account, okay, so that was one thing Another thing was when when I was in children's ministry again children's ministry I never raised funds for anything But one point of time we wanted to raise the ask children to contribute to provide for a missionary organization So we collected money and you know, uh, whatever money was collected We did a transfer to that organization and I took a snapshot of the transfer That we that we made and I sent it as an email and as a print out to all the parents at the thank you Letter so they saw how much we received and how much of money that was sent Even when a team member say that hey, you know, one of our team members is getting married or they're having a child's birthday They've invited us for a party can be all pooling money and can you buy some gift? I don't encourage even that I don't Deal with money very very minimal when it comes I handle these only these two times when I have dealt with money Otherwise, I don't deal with money because I don't want to give room for You know for me to get into any wrong temptations and given to wrong temptations So I just as far as possible keep away from money. I tell people No, we are not going to collect the funds. No collecting money. If you want to give gifts, please give your own Gifts because then then later on they can say hey, we gave so much. What is the sun? Why was this that all becomes a problem? It becomes can even become a problem in the team So just don't hand deal with any money of us. I try to keep it very very minimal as possible, okay And other the few things that we need to keep in mind is when you know when you're doing Projects and you have people who are supporting you other churches other Organizations that are supporting you, you know state the money that was spent don't double your bill Don't say, you know tell the vendors Okay, how much was the cost? Thousand rupees for chairs. Don't say right two thousand rupees. How much was it for sound system? It was ten thousand don't tell them to write twenty thousand. Okay. That is actually dishonesty and that is cheating so be honest with You know with the money that was spent Maintain transparency And you know so that you can fully show the organization that is supporting you how much you really Spent okay. Now if you're spending some money, okay Don't use that money for your own business if you're having You know, you're collecting money for a crusade or for your orphanage Suppose you run an orphanage, okay And you're running a church and you want to have a big crusade Now you have some foreign funds coming in for your orphanage because people love to Sponsor for orphanage. Now. Don't use that orphanage money for Can we use it orphanage money for crusade? Can we use the orphanage money for crusade? No, we can't use it. We can't tell Can't tell the sponsors we use it for crusade because the children were singing We had the children's choir who were singing in the crusade You know, we had the children singing so we use that orphanage money. Should can we use that orphanage money? No, if you want to use the orphanage money for a crusade, what should we do? If you want to use the orphanage money that the sponsors are sending for your crusade or for some other program, what should you do? You should ask them to ask the sponsors for permission, right? If it is permissible, they give the permission, you can go ahead. Also, secondly, if there is legally, if it is right, legally, that's not right. You can't use money coming in for Christian NGOs, orphanages for crusades, for building, you know, churches and all. All that is illegal, so you need to also check whether it is legal for you to do it and you need to go ahead with that, okay? I already mentioned do not rob overseas ministers, okay? When you have overseas ministers and you are there coming to do some crusade, some ministry, some program, you know, state the actual facts of the money that was spent. If you state something that is extra, what are you doing? You're cheating them, right? And you will be called a liar and a thief, okay? And that is wrong, okay? Why is it wrong to do that? Why is it wrong? Yeah, it is basically you're charging them extra, which was not, you know, what you have not spent, okay? Can we mix ministry and business? Some of you here are also liking to do business and ministry. Can we mix business and ministry? No, why shouldn't we mix ministry and business? Sometimes Christian ministers say, hey, we are using the tides and the extra money that is coming in, we're using it as investments, right? So when we invest, you know, we can get more money so then we can think of building, extending our church, buying things, you know, making our church AC or buying some LED screens and things like that. Do you think that is the right way of going about it? Why? Paramita says no, Lucy says no, why? What happens if the investment goes on a loss exactly? What happens if the investment goes on a loss, right? We can't do that, you know, can we use it to use for starting a business? No, if your wife or your children want to start a business and you're a pastor, can you use that money for starting a business? No, okay? If somebody in your church says, you know, they want to start a business and they say, you know, pastor, why don't you invest? Why don't you invest church money? I will give you 75% of the profit that I make. What do you think? Is that right or wrong? Wrong, why? What if the business ends up in a loss? You not only lose the relationship of the person, you not only lose the credibility you have, people in your church can be very upset and you also lose a lot of money and it will affect your ministry, okay? Now, if God is leading you to start a church and also start a vocational training, start a school, start something else, can we mix the church accounts and this accounts together? No, we need to keep that very, very separately. Keep everything separately, okay? Handle finance is very, very separately of each project that you are doing, okay? Another important principle that we need to learn is that, you know, God's house is not a place for selling, right? For merchandise, okay? So sometimes what happens is like, I think Kofi mentioned, you know, we can use some of the church things like a pastor writes books or sermons or, you know, if the church produces a song, we can sell those CDs for a higher rate. Can we do that? If the cost of the book is 100 rupees for printing, we sell it for 300 or 350 or 500. Can we do that? Why? Greed, okay? That is actually cheating the people, right? What did Jesus do when he went to the temple? When he cleared the temple, what did he do? What did he do when he went to the temple and he saw everyone was selling things there? He turned the table upside down. He turned the table upside down, yes. What else? He cleared the temple, right? And what did he say? You made the temple a marketplace and a den of thieves, right? See, he says, it is written, my house shall be called a house of prayer, but you made it a den of thieves. Why does he call the people who are selling their thieves? They were cheating. How were they cheating? If it was 100 rupees, they were selling it for 150 or 200. Now, what happens was, you know, when the fees of the Passover or, you know, when they were celebrating various festivals, people used to come from all over other cities to Jerusalem to celebrate these festivals. And when they travel and come, you know, they come straight away to the temple. They don't go to the market. They think it's any way they can buy all the birds or the, you know, the grain offerings, the animal, which is sold near the temple. Okay. And these people who are selling it used to actually cheat these innocent people who are coming from far away. So they used to take extra money to make extra profit. And Jesus was angry. First of all, that they made the house of God, a marketplace, then it's a house of prayer. And also he says that, you know, he calls the den of thieves because they were cheating people. So a lesson for us to learn is, you know, when we are selling things in the church, you know, it's important that we don't take extra money from people. Okay. Take the exact right amount. Then some of you can question and say, you know, when we have these sales, where, you know, sometimes people have sales in their churches so that they can raise funds for building project. So if the cake cost one piece of the cake is five rupees, they sell it for 10 rupees. You think that is right? Lucy says, Ma'am, in church, we celebrate harvest festival and they sell the offerings we give at double rates. So is it wrong then? What do you think? Usually the harvest festival, I think what they do is they say, you know, this basket costs 100 rupees. There's some vegetables. The cost of the fruits or vegetables or this item is 100 rupees. If you want to bid, you can bid. Some people will say 200, someone else 300, someone else 400, someone else 500. Then, you know, after 500, nobody calls. They say 500 once, 500 twice, 500 thrice and they give it away. Okay. So in that case, they're actually doing what? They're not cheating people. They're saying, hey, the cost is 100 rupees, but you can bid. But if you're having a sale like this, where you're selling food stuff, you know, and they say, hey, it's for to raise money. So the cake piece is five rupees, but they're charging 10 rupees. Do you want to contribute? You can contribute. I think that is okay. Selling Deepu says selling trade oils for 6000 rupees, but the cost is below 100 rupees. So when you sell anointing oil for 100, it's 100 rupees. The cost is 100 rupees, but you're selling it for 6000 rupees. You think that is, I think that is really cheating people. I don't think you should. I think if they say the cost is 100 rupees, you can pay 200 or 300. It's good. 6000 is a rip-off is cheating people. What do the others think? Any thoughts on that? What Deepu has said? Sorry to hear that Deepu. What do the others think? That's cheating. Okay. Thank you all in-person students. I know it's a fact. Yes, Deepu, what about the online students? It's wrong. Anyone, I get through this asking, does anyone buy it? Deepu, does anyone buy it? We must pray over the oil ourselves for anointed oil. Sanjay says that we need to pray over the oil so that it can be anointed. Esther says it's not fair. Yes, ma'am, in awesome people, yeah, I think in awesome people just pay and buy it. It's so sad. They think they can get breakthroughs. People are so innocent. That's so true and it's so sad. Yes, it's not fair and it's wrong. We need to really pray for whoever is doing this. You know that God will speak to them. Right? Okay. Just before this end of this lesson, it's important that we guard ourselves against greed. Right? Is it important to guard ourselves against greed? Yes. Yes or no? Yes. So how do we guard ourselves against greed? What should we do? Come on. What should we do to guard against greed? Paul tells Timothy, godliness with contentment is great. Gain. If you're godly, you need to be content with what you have. How can you guard yourself with greed? Can we have some answers, please? How can we be content and how can we guard ourselves against greed? By praying about it. Okay. Yes, we need to pray about it if we have a love for money. Lucy says, be happy with what you have. Yes. Okay. Focus on God. His word. Ask God's word to cleanse us. Confess our sin to God. Remind ourselves what the word of God says. Proverbs 4-23 says, keep vigilant. Watch over your heart. That's where life starts. Okay. Can greed come in? Even if you don't love money, can greed come in? Yes. So you need to set some boundaries. Like I said, some boundaries for myself. I will not collect money. I will not go, you know, do any fundraising. You know, I will not ask people for money. Okay. Whoever wants to give, even if they want to give, you go directly, do online, whatever, put it in the offering, give it to the church, go to the church office. Or even if they say, hey, you know, I'm not able to go to the church. I want to give this money. I say, please give a check in the name of, you know, whatever organization or son, I will pass on your check. Deepu says, stay away from involving in the money transactions. Yes. Stay away from money transactions. What else? We need to be satisfied. Okay. Satisfied and happy with what people are giving to us. Don't be demanding. Don't be expecting, you know, don't expect huge offering. Don't force people. Don't condemn people if they're not giving. Don't say God's curse is going to come up on you. You know, don't curse them and scare people to give. Okay. What else? Be happy. Okay. And don't and be satisfied with the lifestyle that you are living. Okay. Sometimes when they're getting more finances, more money, you know, we want bigger cars, bigger homes. We want to live a lavish lifestyle as ministers of God using all church money. And that is very, very wrong. Okay. And if you're doing that, we need to ask God to change our heart. And we need to know that greed and all of these sins can come in very, very slowly and subtly without us even knowing. Okay. Before even we know it, we are deep into it. We can't get out of it. We are all, we have already gone so deep that we have sinned. So it's important to check our lives and our hearts daily. And it's important more than that to keep boundaries for ourselves. I have put boundaries for certain things in my life. And I think we need to keep boundaries and think about boundaries before we get into those temptations. Okay. Any questions? The last point is give financially into other ministers or other ministries. One way to overcome greed and to keep ourselves from the love of money is to give money to others. When you give money, it's very, very easy. It's very easy to give money to others. Right? Yes. It's not easy to give money to others. When we give money to others, we are, you know, checking on our own lives where overcoming the love of money, we're overcoming greed. It's very painful to give, but it also is going to bless others. And that is what God wants us to do. So the best way to keep our hearts pure and free from the love of money or to be controlled by it is to give into other people's life, give to other ministries, you know, and we need to be a river and not a lake. What happens when you're a lake? A lake or a pond? What happens when you're a lake or a pond? You're a stagnant. You're stagnant. When you're stagnant, you're bleeding all kind of mosquitoes, all kind of insects, all kind of unwanted weeds and grow, but if you're river, what happens? You're just flowing. So be a river. Don't be a lake. We say, hey, give, give, give, give and keep and hold on everything that becomes greed and greed leads you into all kind of sin, but be a river where you are flowing and giving into others' lives and ministry. Okay. Any questions? Any questions? How will we know if someone is giving money for church? What is their mindset behind that? Like some politicians and some businessmen used to give funds for church and that all. So is it for good mindset or bad mindset? How do you judge people and their mindset when they're giving, especially rich people and politicians? What did we learn in the previous chapter? Don't judge. Who are we to judge? They are accountable before God. If they're putting things in the offering, they're just putting things in the offering box. If they're giving to the church, they're giving. Don't think whether it's black money, white money, what money, you know. But if you know they're coming and telling you and they're saying this, then you have the right to say and teach them and help them. Okay. If they're saying, pastor, we're giving this money. This is black money. You know, we're giving it to the church. Please take and use it and bless me so that my business grows. Then you can say, then you can teach them in a loving way. But if they're putting the money then without us knowing then we can't question their motives. They are accountable to God. They're no one to judge. Good question. Anyone else has any questions? We have two more lessons. We'll finish it next week. Next Friday is our last class, right? Yeah. I saw some ministries in the matter of account. They're actually too much transparent. Okay. It is like what they're getting on Sunday offering. They are telling in an announcement, okay. What they're getting. So it is like fully transparent to you also. It is good or not. What do you all think? Fully transparent, is it good or not? They're saying some churches, they were fully transparent. They didn't even say how much offering they get on Sunday. Is it good that Tide has come or not? Who gave or not? They are announcing everything. Lucy says it's good. How much Tide comes in? How much came to offering? How many came for mission work, this work? Is it good to announce those things? Sister, I feel as long as they are not praising anybody's name and saying so and so has contributed so much offering, I think it is good that they be transparent in what they have received, glorifying God. Yes, I think it's good. It's good as long as, yes, you're not saying this person gave so much, that person gave so much, you know. Yeah, I think it's a good thing to. Transgender. Transgender. Transgenders, okay. They do those business like. Okay. Transgenders do business. So, can we take offering from them? So, their business is not good. It's a bad business they do, but they have a godly, that God expect all. Can we take money from them? I mean the offering. So, when they give you in the hand, you're saying or put in the offering box? Anyways. Okay, when transgenders, then they put offering in the offering box. They come to a church, they put offering in the offering box. Can we take that offering? Can we accept that offering? Yes, we can. Because another businessman can be a businessman, can be doing also living in a lot of sin, doing a lot of things in the illegal way to get money and he can be putting the money, but we won't judge him. We think he's a businessman. We see him in being very honest and nice, but who knows how he's getting his money. We can't judge somebody like that, right? Who are we to judge? Yes. So, the offering is a God. They're giving it to God, right? So, that's why God, they are finally accountable to God how they get, earn that money, but it's important also for us to teach them from the pulpit. So, I mean should be based on like this money, how we earn, how we generate income, how we need to be honest and integrity and we need to earn money in righteousness and holiness. Yes. Yeah. Any other questions? Can you give him the mic please? Just before he says that, today evening I will post the last assessment and yeah. So, you can submit the assessment by next Thursday. Today I'll post the last assessment. You can submit it by next Thursday and next Friday we'll complete the last two lessons. Yes. If anyone is doing ministry, we are only involved in ministry only. So, how he will fulfill his needs is to use that money which comes in offering of what? Yes. A worker is worth his wages. So, in your work, you receive wages from your ministry, but even when you use that money, you need to know that it's tight money or accountable to God and how you use it. Not lavishly spending for your greed, but for your need. He should set a boundaries or what? Yes, it's important. You know, you need to tell the church, hey, I'm using so much for children, this one house rent, for what are the things you're using, for travel, everything should be very clear and transparent and anyone can question you and you need to get the church to endorse that you can use all of this money, so much money for all of these various needs of yours. And if the church says we can't provide for your TV subscription or for your mobile subscription, you can't use it. Like that. Can one start a ministry without finances? The question is, can one start a ministry without finances? You can start, but it's hard to run out. Yes, we can start ministries slowly and you can ask God to provide and God will provide, yes. I think we run out of time. Maybe next. Okay, quickly. Why did Elisha refuse the offering from Ramat? Why did Elisha refuse the offering when Naiman gave him and Gehazi his servant took the offering? I think Elisha would have heard fear instructions from God don't take it from Naiman. That is why he refused the offering. Yes. Okay, we'll stop here. Lucy, can we discuss the question number seven assessment three? I'll discuss it over the stream chat so you can discuss it with me there. Okay, we run out of time. Thank you everyone for joining class. Have a blessed weekend. Next week will be our last class. Thank you.