 In this episode of Mind Pump, The World's Top Fitness, Health, and Entertainment Podcast, we answer a lot of fitness and health questions that are asked by viewers and listeners just like you. But for the first 43 minutes, we do an introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events. We talk about studies. We tell stories. We have a lot of fun. If you wanna be entertained as well as informed, listen to the whole episode. If you just want the fitness stuff, fast forward 43 minutes. So let me give you a breakdown of the whole episode. We open up by talking about our newest sponsor, Dr. Squatch. They make soap and products that make you smell like a champion. No joke. Check this out. If you wanna get the Mind Pump discount on all of the products, here's what you do. Go to drsquatch.com. That's D-R-S-Q-U-A-T-C-H.com forward slash Mind Pump. You'll get 20% off all of their products with the code Mind Pump. Then we talked about childbirth and the fear surrounding childbirth. My wife is in her third trimester, so we had a good conversation there. Then we talked about the blast in Beirut. Crazy, crazy, crazy explosion over there. It was just fireworks. Then we talked about Adam's son meeting horses for the first time. He's a cute little kid. It was a lot of fun. It's come full circle, hasn't it? We talked about how Disney stock is going up, even though it shouldn't. Doesn't make any sense in how they're releasing Mulan on Disney Plus. That's exciting. Then we talked about Arizona gyms being able to reopen soon. Awesome. Oh, I'm proud of Arizona. Very good. I talked about an article on the path to millionaire and the fastest path to becoming a millionaire. And then we talked about parenting. We had a good conversation about parenting there. Then we got into the questions. First question, this person's neck hurts. Every time they do curls, they'd like a substitute. So we talked about how to avoid neck pain while doing certain exercises. 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Wants to know if they should reduce their volume or increase their volume or what they should do to train differently now that they're over 50. The next question, this person wants to know if we had to eliminate the big three exercises, that's the bench press, the squat, and the deadlift, what would we replace them with? And the final question, this person wants to know what resources and books and things that we've studied that had a huge impact on our current programs. Also this month, all month long, MAPS performance is 50% off. This is a phenomenal program for muscle building, metabolism boosting, fat burning, but it's also really, really fun. It is not a traditional workout. So you're gonna be doing non-traditional exercises. You also have an explosive phase at the end of the program where you actually work on your power output. If you've never done explosive training, you'll love this. It's a great way to get the muscles to really respond but also add more speed to your lifts. 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We will officially be the first and we're the only, as of right now, podcast that is partnered with this company and been loving their product for a long time, love the company, it's Dr. Squatch, which is a soap, shampoo, business. Yeah, all organic, all natural ingredients that are in it, smells amazing and they're fucking hilarious and so aligned partnership-wise. King and Czar, you've seen their commercial, it's hilarious. I've seen it on YouTube multiple times, but yeah, I got to use their soaps and it's great, man. They have all these different types of scents, like one of them had actually like a coffee- Oh, that's my favorite. Yeah, that was my favorite too, that and then the nautical one, but yeah, it doesn't leave that like, filmy kind of feeling afterwards too, which is like- Oh, I'm on the basil peppermint, dude. Yeah. I like peppermint type smell on my soap, it's just, it's amazing. So it got me some action. Straight up. Yeah, which is- Straight up. I got it, I put it in the shower because it smells really good, right? It's natural smells, it's not like fake. And I had it in the shower and I washed myself, come out and Jessica's like, oh my God. You smell amazing. And I'm like- You know what's funny? Here we go. You know who markets that way is that the brand acts and I think that stuff smells like dog shit. Yeah, I know. It's way too much perfume stuff they put in there. Smells like full on chemical. I feel like they should name their scents like douchebag. Like, can you smell it? Way to insult like half the audience. I'm sorry. But it's like you're wearing an Ice-D's axe. Get them to switch over. It's like you're wearing an Ed Hardy shirt, you know what I mean? Oh God, the same thing, right? You're gonna double down on them, huh? Just keep on going. Like a v-neck Ed Hardy, you know? Oh man. It's like your tap out shorts, vodka red bull, you know what I mean? Those people are just late to the party. There was a time that was cool. That was you, that's why. I told you we had this. You had the Pukashells, the v-neck, Ed Hardy. This is backwards ties with the spectrum. No, I never had axe. I had Pukashells when I was in seventh grade. Oh yes, dude. And I had Ed Hardy before it was ever in TJ Maxx. I got a question for you. What's up? I got a question. What's up? You have to be honest with that. Did you ever wear them around your ankle? No, I never did the Anklets, dude. I just never did the Anklets. You didn't do any of the things around your ankle? No, no, no. I missed that part of the face. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that was a thing. I just picture Adam, you know what I mean in the club? Yeah. Can you just stop it? Stop it. You know what I mean? With sunglasses on, like man, it's already dark. You are not allowed to even have this conversation. Say it! You are not allowed to be in this conversation? Absolutely not. I'm so allowed. No, you are not. Because I'm so far on the other end, it's easy for me to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, totally. You know what I'm saying? You had no style for bitching the ass. Get out of here with that. You had no style for bitching the ass. Hey, I have some douchey looks. Did you? Did you guys ever watch? The one was like, OK, I had my hat where I would put it up and then I would hairspray my bangs to go up into my hat. But I feel like it's only douchey when it falls out of favor for a year or two and someone still is doing it or just gets on board. Yeah, it was douchey then. So here, look, you guys are all. Well, you're kidding. Stop it, Jinko jeans. Hey, those were, hey, douchey, you're right. So you guys are watching Enter the Dragon with Bruce Lee when he's on the boat in Hong Kong and the fighters are coming in. And one of the fighters is like, what style do you know? And Bruce Lee. And he's like throwing punches in the air or whatever. And Bruce Lee is like, I do the fighting style without fighting or whatever. What's your style? My style? You can call it the art of fighting without fighting. The art of fighting without fighting? Show me some of it. Later. Try to pull yourself up. Get me out of here. Let's go to line. My style is the style without style. So it's like Bruce Lee's kung fu, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's great analogy for stuff. Hey, I've been learning a lot about some interesting stuff about learning about childbirth. Yeah, I know it's a good segue. Let's think about babies coming out. This is an interesting thing to happen. Well, you know, OK, so obviously Jessica's third trimester. We're going to be having a baby soon. And there was a documentary we watched a long time ago. It was very transformative. The baby one? Yeah, the business of being born. Oh, yeah, that one. So along, this is for people who didn't listen to this episode a long time ago. We did, you know, we would talk about these topics. And I talked about how childbirth was so dangerous and women would used to die all the time. And thank God for Western medicine because it's no longer a major death risk or whatever. You got checked. I did by a midwife. I had a midwife. So midwives are the legit experts on natural childbirth, more so than even doctors. Doctors are experts of what they do. Midwives are experts just at childbirth and natural. One of the best investments that we've made in Max, in my opinion. Yes. I mean, they're having them as a support. Oh, incredible, right? So a midwife contact means like you're totally wrong. It's a very natural process. The way we treat it is totally wrong. And, you know, I try to be open minded. I'm like, well, I admit this is not an area of expertise. And so I did some study, watched that documentary. And, you know, the way we treat childbirth is like the way we treat a lot of things in Western medicine. Yep. Well, it's a medical emergency. It's a medical emergency. Right? And so here's something that's very interesting about this. So the muscles around the cervix or the muscles that control the opening and closing of the cervix are a sphincter muscle. So sphincter muscles are circular muscles that when you tighten, they shrink and tighten up like your butthole. As sphincter, say what? Exactly. And open up when they're relaxed. OK? And so here's a big problem. Now, since none of us have ever had a baby or never will have a baby, I know it's 2020, but it's still not going to happen. Let's say you're trying to poop, OK? You're trying to go poop, but you're terrified, anxious, and scared. Are you going to be able to have any poop come out? You're not, right? Because everything is tightened up. Those muscles automatically tighten up when you're scared, or anxious, or fearful. That's what they do. It's hard to relax sphincter muscles. So when women go into childbirth with all this fear and the way we treat it is like, ah, somebody watch movies. Oh my god, my wife's going to have a baby. And everybody's so scared, it reduces the percentage of women that can have natural childbirth because those muscles want to stay tight. What do you think, too, about the theory of we don't train the pelvic floor muscles as much as what we used to? I mean, think about back in the days when you'd be in a squatted position and probably gathering things and working those muscles and being connected to that, and the importance of that, and then also the drugs that you used to numb all that. To me, I think that's a part of the reason why everything becomes a medical emergency with childbirth thing, is that you go in it, you're to your point, and that's the first phase, is like you're freaked out, you're tense, you're tight. You're scared, they're constantly checking, oh, three centimeters, oh, you're not moving fast enough. Right, oh, let's give you the epidural, let's give you, oh, pitocin first. Pitocin first, yeah, then the epidural, right, and then you get that, and then it numbs you from the waist down. And we know, when you're trying to activate or work any muscle on the body, how important it is to be able to feel it and be connected to it. And so you're asking a woman to be numb in that area and to try and help push it through, but not be able to feel it, which, and then you're already somebody who doesn't train pelvic floor muscles and doesn't have a good connection there as it is, I just think it- Well, C-section rates now are through the roof, and there's this theory, midwives talk about it all the time, all the time I should say, where it's this cascading, I can't remember the term they use, but essentially you're doing medical interventions that then lead to more medical interventions. So like phase one, you go into the hospital, you're freaking out, they're constantly checking your cervix, oh, you're not moving fast enough. And so now you're kind of scared. You feel like, I'm not, what's going on? I'm not moving fast. It's not happening quick enough. I'm already in a hospital, which is like an emergency place. So then in order to progress the process, because they say it's not happening fast enough, and we all know, you know, part of the reasons I think why they say that is, they gotta get you out. They need the bed. They need the bed. But anyway, so they say you're not moving fast enough, give you pitocin. Pitocin makes the contractions unbearable. Very powerful, unbearable. So now you've got that. Now your pain goes to the roof, which leads to epidural. With an epidural, you can't often, you can't stand, you can't squat, you can't move, you're disconnected. You lay down. Which then leads to, you can't get the baby out, and that leads to then, we gotta cut the baby out with a C-section. So they call it this, I can't remember the term they use, but it's like one step after another leads to this big intervention, which is surgery. Oh yeah, that's why it's really helpful to have an advocate, you know, on your side. And so like, much like the midwife, we had a doula basically with a set of, of sort of things that we were trying to make sure that we, you know, we're able to kind of assess things slowly and have like different positions that we could try. And because they don't even want to like, because it's such a machine, like the way that they go through these procedures and they try to get you to have, you know, get to the point of it all without any discomfort. Like they're trying to solve like a discomfort. And so anytime there's any kind of noise or anything, there's always this rush to get the pain solved. And imagine too, as a woman, and you have a doctor who's telling you, let's do this or let's do that, or we should do this. And you're vulnerable. Yeah, of course you're vulnerable. You're in pain. This is the first time maybe you've done this. You're freaking out. Like it's, we know real easy to listen to a doctor telling you, like, hey, let's do this next. And I remember our Dula was like, no. Like if that was the biggest thing that I got from it was the support like that. Because I would never win in the heat of the moment when that was happening. If it was the doctor saying this way, and even if I, we want to go natural, hun, we want to go, it doesn't matter at that point. If he's saying, oh, let's go this route. And I'm all, I'm right away, yeah, I'm right away vetoed in that situation. But with the support of the Dula, she would look back at her and be like, you're okay. You're doing great right now. You're fine. Just get the baby to rotate and certain things to happen. You know, like, yeah, it's totally like an emergency situation, high stress. And so like to have somebody there to kind of be your advocates. Yeah, and I do want to say this, you know, obviously as an observer, it's easy for me to say certain things. I've never experienced a childbirth. I have tremendous respect for the whole process. I've witnessed, you know, both of my kids being born. Obviously I have another one coming along the way, but here's something that I've also understood just through fitness and through, you know, understanding the human body through health is that you have pain and discomfort. And then there's a second part of it, which is the perception of them. And for example, if something hurts, but you know it's not damaging or dangerous, you tend to perceive it differently than if something hurts and you know this is natural it's supposed to happen. For example, when you're working out, the kind of pain that you feel when you're working out, you learn to perceive it differently. You still feel it. Workouts still hurt for me like they did when I first worked out, but they're not unbearable like they might've been the first time because I know, I'm familiar, I understand it, this is normal, soreness, how many times have you had a client get sore, they've never felt sore before and they freak out? Or even in the middle of the workout, the first time they feel it burning. That's right. You know what I'm saying? If you've never worked out before and that burning, it's like, oh, it's burning, I'm stuck. That's right, and historically, you know, that the way that was happened is that when she went into birth, you had these elder women that were experienced and wise and they would take the woman away, they'd go in a tent or whatever, and they'd be very peaceful, very calm, and it would change the perception of kind of what's going on, and I feel like that plays such a huge role. Now that I've done much more research, again, I'm far from an expert, so if I'm annoying people right now, that's whatever, totally fine, I'm a trainer, but just from my perspective, I think it's all very, very interesting. Hey, did you guys see the Beirut, or Lebanon, the huge explosion? That was a massive explosion. What the hell was that? That is insane. Did you see the before and after? Yeah. It left the crater. Now, has anyone done, like, I didn't dive deep into it because I didn't have the time yesterday, but what was it? I heard rumors, fireworks, then I heard chemicals, and I was the first thing that came out that it was like a firework warehouse or something. So the official story is that there were stored chemicals or fireworks, and that went up in flames, and then it blew up. Some people are saying the color of the smoke and the mushroom cloud, because it was a massive explosion. I mean, it affected miles. That's how big it was. It looked like a mini nuke when it went on. It was on fire, and so that's why there's a lot of people actually filming from different angles, and then all of a sudden you get this just explosion that just, it throws you back even watching it on video. Yes. Now, here's some other theories that are coming out. Hezbollah, which is the terrorist organization, often funded by the government of Iran, basically they say owns that port, okay? That they own that port, and then that was a place that Hezbollah was storing certain types of missile and rocket fuels. And when those burn, they turn white. That's why the smoke they're saying was white, and why it was such a massive explosion, and now there's a big cover-up that's going on. Other people say that maybe it was Israel that saw what was happening there and attacked this port, which I hope that's not true, because a lot of innocent people died. But those are not the official story of what's going on. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I wonder how we're gonna find out what happened or if they're gonna release that, or it's just gonna be one of those things in the new cycle that just kind of goes away. What's the death count out? Do you guys know how many people were? I think it's up to you. I know last time I checked it, I think it was close to 100. I know it was like 70-something, and then I was... Probably a lot more injured, right? I imagine, because it definitely... There was one video where someone was driving on a bridge, and then there's like a bunch of, like the water separates the bridge from the area where the fire was. And it's far. It's like if you're... Oh, I thought that was a boat video. That's why I thought that was... Someone was in a car, they were driving, and they were filming it from their car. And I mean, it's far away. You would think you're totally safe for the distance. Then the explosion goes off, and the shock waves, it knocked the car on its side, all the airbags went out, the rear of your mirror blew off. 20 seconds, then all of a sudden, boom, then the shock wave hits, and it just shakes everything up. So 135 death count, and then 5,000 were wounded. Yeah, they said they're blaming it on a 2,700 ton ammonium nitrate stash, is what the official... What is that for? Was that fertilizer? And explosives. And explosives, yeah. Oh, wow. I don't know, that's crazy though. I mean, the before and after picture is just... Yeah. It's just... Imagine being there surviving, you would think that... What would you think? We're at war? Yeah, you would have thought a bomb hit somebody. That's what it looks like. You just dropped a bomb on it, it was crazy. It was just like a huge explosion. Oh, it's insane. And when you can see the shock wave moving out for miles and taking things out, I mean, it's just scary, very, very scary. So I hope the people out there are the best. I hope that people are doing okay out there. So anyway, we'll see what happens. Hey, I wanted to ask you, Adam. I saw you post a video of your... Looks like you took your son to see some horses. Oh yeah, yeah. No, I took him over to see my dad. My dad has a ranch and they breed horses. And so that was the first time that he had actually seen it. Did you guys just sound? My sound went a little weird right there. That was Justin. Oh, it was Justin that went so weird. No, it's okay. You know, we took him over to my dad's ranch and they breed and sell horses over there. And so that was the first time that he's seen a horse, right? So it's in-person, right? Obviously, books and stuff. And I've been waiting to see how he would be around like farm animals. Cause he's just now really in the last like two months or so, I think really becoming aware of everything and like pointing and looking at things. So it was cool to see his reaction. So that sent us on this like, oh, you know, he's almost ready to go take him to like a zoo or do something. You know what I found in Sonoma, you guys? This is so badass. And it's a, it's glamping, right? So you can go, you can go stay. You in court. This is in Sonoma, right? I didn't even think that we had something like this. Oh, is this the Africa, like the big safari? I've heard about this. Courtney stayed there, yeah. She did? Is it good? Did she like it? Loved it, yeah. She's trying to get me and the kids to go up and check it out. So I want to take Max. We want to wait until he can kind of, where she should be walking any day now. Like I want to take him when he's walking at least. I think it's like 500 a night and you stay in these bungalows in like this little mini safari. And then you get up and get to drive with just like giraffes and stuff like just hanging out. Yeah, it's like a zoo that's like on this property. Is it open right now? I believe so. No way. Yeah, I believe it's open. Oh, I'm going to go there. It was one of those, we were actually worried because remember when they had all those fires up in Sonoma? Like I guess it made its way through and didn't affect that particular winery. I didn't even know we had something like that over here. I know. Yeah, I thought that was a random. I heard about it like once or twice and then I forgot all about it. Really? Yeah, and I was like, oh, we got to go. And then I forgot all about it. Yeah, Katrina found it. I mean, what sparked it was the horse, right? Us being with him and seeing the way. Wow, look at the bungalows. So Doug just pulled it up. Yeah, safari West. This is it. Wow, that's legit. So another thing too. You don't need to get a bunch of malaria drugs and trust. Yeah, exactly. Another thing to consider out of like, so there's other ways to glam. And so this is, I've been trying to get the kids to actually camp with me, you know, and like go like camping and like rough it a bit and like Courtney's not interested at all in that. So she's pulling me into some, I guess there's a way that you can basically rent out a trailer that they drop off at one of those camp sites ahead of time. So you have it all set up and all that stuff. And then like it's a whole community of these like trailers. Yeah. And so again, it has like pool there. And it's like. So I've seen those. Those are like the air streams. Yeah. Wait a minute. I know somebody who just did that. You just drive up and it's there. He's just, it's already there for you. And then they take it away when you leave. It's just like a laser. So I haven't seen that. I've seen the ones that are like, they're actually, they're like RV parks that are like really nice. The pool amenities, fire pits, everything like that. Like really nice camping grounds. And then it's all those air streams that have been kind of gutted and then customized to look like a hotel room. So it's like, you get this. It's like that. They're just like putting the rolling trailers in at a similar park just like that. Oh wow. That's for you. 100% what I would do. Yeah. 100%. I'm like, I'll try to be out there and pitch my own tent and do all that kind of stuff and teach them things about roughing it. But it's like, she's, I'll just do that on my own. My sister and Tom, they just bought those ATXs which are like the little off-road ATVs. Yeah, those are awesome. Do you know what they sell them at? Do you know which those are? I feel like 12 grand. 26,000. Oh, that's a lot. That's a straight car payment. Are they legal on the road? No. Okay, so I was actually talking to my sister this morning about this. So you can drive things like that including like my ATV. You can up to two miles is the law. So for two miles. And the reason why that. Two miles on the road? Yeah. How do they know? Well, it's because it's an off-road vehicle. You can't drive it on the road. You can't. You will never see that driving downtown or some shit like that. But the theory or the idea is this, is that, you know, trails aren't always linked. You got to sometimes cross over a freeway or do something so they allow that, right? So when a tractor comes on the road. Yeah, exactly. You're allowed two miles. You're allowed two miles with these off-road vehicles to be on public roads. Dude, you still have yours, don't you? Yeah. And I forgot about that too, yeah. Where'd you put it? It's coming up there, dude. I'm gonna, I'm getting, the chain on it, I told you that I broke the chain riding it not that long ago when I got it all fit or Katrina got it all fixed for my birthday last year. And I snapped the chain and then I was like, oh shit, of course. I just got this running and then the chain snapped. So then it's sitting over in my brother-in-laws barn and covered up and we just fired up every month just to make sure that, you know, the battery doesn't die. But now that my sister has that and then we found out that the truckie house is like the head of all the main trails of like Nevada and that whole area. And Tom is like hardcore, like mapping everything out and find all these rural areas we can go. So that's fun. They can drive from their house to our house without ever hitting a road. From Reno? Yes. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, so excited. Hey, did you guys hear about Disney's release that they're gonna be doing? No. Okay, so. The Milan thing? Yeah, so two things. Number one, this is how, I swear to the stock market makes zero sense. It does not make any sense right now. Disney comes out with earnings and they tanked. But because they tanked. Less than what they predicted. Less than what people thought. The stock went up, you know, like 11%. What a weird time, Eric. Oh, that wasn't so bad more money. You guys sucked, but as bad as we thought, right? It sucked that hard. But anyway, so Disney's, so a lot of people are anticipating this adaptation of Milan, right? Like they did Beauty and the Beast, I don't remember which other one they did. Well, they made it all like this warrior. Like I saw some of the trailer for it. It looked interesting. Looks really good. Actually, Milan's one of my favorite Disney cartoons. Absolutely love it. So a lot of people waiting for it, a lot of parents are waiting for it. It was supposed to be released in March, I believe, but they didn't because of obviously everything that's going on. So they're gonna release it on Disney Plus. So this is an actual motion picture Disney. Just skipping all the theaters. All of them released on Disney Plus 28, excuse me, $29 you have to pay to watch it. Don't you see this is what's happening? I mean, you kind of have to do that. I mean, to me, this is like our movie theaters gonna be a thing of the past after COVID. I think that all these streaming companies, all these production companies have got to figure something out, right? And the only choice is to go straight to streaming like we're seeing right now. You're seeing that too. You brought it up about Prime. There's stuff that would be in theater that you can now buy on there for a premium rate. Well, once people have to be going like I mean, it's been so long now with zero revenue. Like there's no way, like how are they keeping the lights on when they come back? Well, and it's also like once people get a, this is the same thing I feel about education. Once people get a taste of watching these releases at home and even though it's gonna be 30 bucks essentially, I'm still saving a ton of money. I got two kids, me, Jessica, plus you buy whatever. It's like 70, 80 bucks when we go to the movies. I'm still saving money. I'm in the comfort of my own home. I could buy whatever snack I make in my own popcorn. This is why we need automated cars because then we could turn our garages into theaters. I like what you're thinking about. That's what I wanted to do. Mine's a gym. Well, gym slash theater. But I mean, once people get a taste of this stuff, I think that's why homeschooling's exploding. People are getting a taste of it and saying, hey, look, is that super bad? I think I'm gonna go in this direction. Well, it sucks, because I wanted to see Maverick in the theater. You know, the new top gun. I was like, oh, excited to watch that one. To me, it'll come back, but it'll be like one per town. Like we'll have one in this city. That's how I feel like. Just for things like that. I mean, there's gonna be movies that the experience of going to watch it in IMAX and crazy surround sound is just, it just doesn't live up to, unless you have that, unless you've got a $10,000 plus setup in your living room. Go to Shaq's house. Very few people have a setup like that. So I still see that there'll be some people that will wanna do that, but not enough to be competitive. Not enough for there to be like, what do we have? Like six or seven different theaters here. I was just so surprised that these drive-in theaters haven't been just rocking through this whole thing. It's like, I mean, you're in your car, you're obviously social distancing, you could roll your windows up. What is going on with the one down the road for us? Is it one? Because there's one in Santa Cruz too that hasn't been running. Is it open? It's open. It is open. Yeah, you can go watch movies there. Like new movies? No, old movies. They're doing like double headers of like, Predator and Alien or movies that you would wanna watch. Hey, look, it's kind of fun. If you take, this is what you do. You take your kids, especially if you have a big car, you open the back, lay the seats down, put some blankets, bring some snacks. The kids said it's a lot of fun, especially in the summertime, right? Hey, did you guys hear about the gyms in Arizona? No, what happened? Dude, so they won a ruling. So they went against the state, went to court, and now they're going to be allowed to reopen in about a week. So gyms are gonna be allowed to reopen over there. Did you know that Arizona is ranked as, if not the, I think it is the top fittest state in the country? Did you know that? I thought it was Colorado. No, I think it's Arizona. And maybe it's not the fittest. Maybe it's the most gyms per square foot or something. I know that they have, like it's one of the most fitness minded states in the country. I can't remember when I read that article, but I read that years ago and I didn't know. I assumed that we would be. I thought that California would be one of the leaders and that we're not. Yeah, no, I'm really, really happy that they got the opportunity to reopen their gyms in Arizona. And I know people right now are like, it's dangerous, here's the deal. Yeah, fittest. Go to most gyms per square foot. It's your choice to go into a facility like that and take risks. And it's the business that's gonna decide how they set that up. It should be. So I'm very happy with this ruling. Plus, here's the deal. We do know that poor physical health is a major risk factor for severe symptoms of this pandemic. And so some people, this is how they get there. This is how they get all their activity is by going to the gym. So let's see here. Doug's bring it up. Colorado was what, number nine? Number 10, number one. For most gyms? Oh, Minnesota. Minnesota. Wow, wow. Minnesota? Minnesota would never have guessed that. They have the most gyms per what? Per square mile. Really? Where's California? It was a thing to do. Not even until 10. Especially in the winter. I wonder what it was for Arizona. You know what? You know why though? California's got such big expanses of area that are not, nobody's around. Yeah. But I remember when we were in Orange County and they were talking about like, how many gyms per square foot? They were just like right next to each other everywhere. Oh dude, in Southern California, there's literally blocks where there's like two or three. Well, I wonder if they can't. I know, I wonder if they count like crossfit gyms now too, because that has to inflate. That's not a gym. It has to. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding everybody. Hey, I read a cool article today. The title of it was the fastest path to becoming a millionaire. So you guys want to guess what it is? Like the fastest path. Saving your money. All right, so there's four ways that they listed that you could become a millionaire. One of them is the fastest. Real estate's number one. Well, hold on, hold on. Let me give you what they are, because they labeled them kind of different. Becoming an influencer. You imagine, think about all the TikTok influencers right now. Oh, they're fucked. Yeah, TikTok's about to be banned. Yeah, as McDonald's hiring. All right, so here are the four main paths to becoming a multimillionaire. The saver investor path. So this is somebody that makes saving, investing part of their daily routine. Then there's the company climbers path. These are people that work for a large company to all of their time and energy to climb the corporate ladder until they land a senior executive position with a very, very high salary. Then there's the virtue. It's really hard to do. Right, then there's the virtuoso path, which is the, this is people who are the best at what they do. So they're paid a very, very high premium for their knowledge and expertise. So these are people that are like the best of the best in their category. Virtuous, I love that word. And then there's the dreamer's path. The dreamer's path are all in pursuit of a dream. Starting their own business, becoming a successful actor, musician, or a best selling author. It says your dreamers love what they do for a living and their passion shows up in their bank accounts. So out of those four, which one's the fastest way to becoming a millionaire? I still think it's saver. No, virtuosos people. I think they're the ones that like you can charge a ridiculous rate. Okay, but it's random that people find them. So it's actually the dreamers. So the dreamers, yes, but it's also the most difficult. So first off, the saver. High risk, high reward. Yeah, exactly. And it didn't say the safest way or the most guaranteed way, right? It said the fastest way. Because I feel like the saver investor path is probably the most, it's the most methodical. Consistent, yeah. If you like that, you'll love The Millionaire Next Door. Mike turned me on to that book like a couple of months back. I finished reading that a while ago and that was really good. And they actually, the whole book, White Side, I think you'll love it is it's all studies. It's all research. They break down the numbers. Yeah, the thing that I was most fascinated in was, and I'll probably mess up the exact percentage but I know it was like really high like this was, that like 80% of like multi-millionaires don't drive a car that's worth more than 40 grand. Yep. Which was like, whoa. So like when you see somebody, when you see, you know, you go down to Santana Road, right? That's an area where we see like all the Lamborghinis and Bentley's and stuff. Now I look at it all differently now. And I think to myself like, damn, how, just statistically, if I just saw 10 of them go by me, at least half of those guys aren't even really boner. They've rented it. Wow, I thought that was really, I thought that was really fascinating. Bro, it's all, it's like insecurities coming out. It's like no different, who's the guy at the bar that wants to start all the fights with everybody? It's not the trained MMA fighter. Well, I don't think it's always, I don't think it's, I don't think you can default to it's always an insecurity. I drive expensive cars. I like cars. And then you, you've alluded to this before about, you know, where you get joy, right? Like, and I love to drive. I mean, I always drive us everywhere we go. I've liked to drive since I was 16 years old and I love cars. I'm into them. And so I enjoy them. So I don't think it's always a default to like, it's insecurities of people. Well, no, but I think you're right. I'm generalizing, but I think a lot of it is. I think it's a lot of these people. Well, I agree with you. They leverage themselves heavily. Here's how, here, okay. Here's how I know, okay? Same place, Santana row. You're sitting, now right now you have to sit outside. You can't sit inside at all. So I've been there a few times for lunch or dinner with Jessica. And we're sitting out there. This is what people do with it. They drive by with a Ferrari or Lamborghini. By this is the most douchiest, stupidest thing you could ever do. First of all, you're already driving an amazing, bad. Everyone's going to look at your car anyway. Well, they're nerds. They need some advantage. You don't need to rev your engine. Well, as you're driving, it's so stupid. You're driving by five months. Ring, ring, ring, you know, whoa, whoa. Oh God. It's like what we did in high school. Yeah, like it's just that now, all of a sudden they're like, ooh, I'm cool. It's like, this is what cool people did in high school. They take your shirt off of the beach like, oh, you know, I need to do some push-ups and strength training. I think it's more Freudian than I think it is anything else. That's it's more of a- They want to sleep with their moms? No, it's not, not everything is fucking- That's Freudian, I don't know. No, Freudian can mean too that these people, this is like men trying to attract women. You know, it's a sexual thing. It's more of them. This is their way of peacocking, right? You want to attract the wrong women, I guess. Well, maybe. Yeah, look at my car. There's still a large person. I mean, we've said it before on this podcast. Like, what do you think is a more guarantee that you find a wife being this nice guy or being a rich guy? You know, if you're being, and that's one of the ways- A good wife, a nice guy, just a wife? Yeah, you're probably right. Presenting and peacocking, so you get attention. Yeah, so back to that article, so this guy did a huge study and he found that 28% of the individuals in the study were dreamers. Here's some cool stuff about them. They had an average net worth of 7.4 million. Here's the crazy part. Most of them were able to accumulate the wealth over a period of roughly 12 years. Very short period of time to get to multi-million, especially when you compare to the other people. Now it says here, what makes their path so hard? Here's the things about it that are difficult. Very long work hours. The dreamers in the study worked anywhere from 65 to 75 hours per week before they finally achieved their dreams. Now this makes sense. If it's a dream of yours, you're so passionate and focused, you're just gonna work on it all the time. All consuming. Here's the stressful lifestyle aspect of it too. It says until the dream begins to pay off, making ends meet can cause almost intolerable financial stress. Totally I know what this like. You start a business and it's funny because people look at a business to be like, wow, you guys crushed out of nowhere. It's like you don't see the previous 20 years where, you know, whatever. All the foundational work. High risk, it says dreamers by nature are gamblers. They're willing to put everything they own on the line in order to get to their dream. And then here's the last one, it's demotivating. Because they have such high ambitious goals, some people try talking them into pursuing another path. So imagine if your dream is to start a fitness podcast that's successful, for example, like we did. And you're doing it for a whole year without getting paid like we did. Imagine, you know, impatient spouse or friend. It's like, hey man, you're not making any money. Maybe you should just get another start. It's just draining everybody around you. I wonder how they measured that. Cause I know in the millionaire next door book, they attributed it to real estate because a large portion of people, even if you didn't have a massive high paying job, if you invested early and you could pay your mortgage, you know, and if you've had the house for 12 years, and definitely if you live in California, the thing is worth a million dollars. There's a big difference between net, like your worth and how much you actually make because there's a lot of millionaires in California that don't make a lot of money because they bought their houses like my grandfather. My grandfather came to this country when my mom was four, zero skills. He was, you know, as a child is extremely poor, dirt poor, worked since he was a kid, lived in Venezuela for a while to try and make some money. Finally came to California. Was a custodian at schools and cleaned movie theaters. This is how he supported his family. Bought a house. That's back when San Jose was a farm towns before the tech industry came here. I think he bought his house for $16,000, right? My grandfather now is in his 80s and his health is worth at 1.3 or 1.4 million. So on paper, my grandfather is a millionaire, but the man probably never made more than, you know, 30, 40 grand a year in his entire life. I got a question for you, Sal. So I was, I got a new show that I'm watching right now called Yellowstone. It's with Kevin Costner. Okay. I've been trying to watch that but I can't figure out where to watch it. So yeah, I had to, I bought it on Prime. So I had to buy it on. Is it good? Yeah. I like it. I'd give it a B minus. Okay. Yeah, it's got me, it's got, I wouldn't say it's like one of my top shows but I enjoyed, it's a cool show. But the question that I have for you. So in this show, Kevin Costner is a grandfather who was terrible to his kids and now he's got this grandchild and like he's obviously trying to be this. And he just, and we've talked about this before how you guys see your dads with your kids and like, what the, where was this guy? Right? Right, right, right. Trying to make up for lost time. Well, and a lot of that is, yeah, well, they're older, they're wiser. They also have, they recognize at that time but at that point in their lives maybe the mistakes that they made with raising you guys. They're better people. So the question I have with you, I know you're not a grandfather but you have this large gap. I look like one. Yeah, you have this large gap with having children and I'm sure you've already thought a lot about this. Are there things that come to mind that you either wish you would have done different or there's things that you plan to do now with the child that you are about to have that you look at your kids now and you feel like, man. 100%. 100%. I got this lesson going through a divorce and when you go through a very challenging, painful time you either become more of what you were or I think you change. And so I chose to change to try and become better. One of the things I recognized was I just was not nearly as present as I should have. I missed a lot with my kids. Most of what I did a lot of, I worked. I worked a lot. And I was constantly thinking about work and focusing on work and reading and trying to become, to expand my knowledge base and all that stuff. Meanwhile, I missed some of the most important moments with my kids either because I wasn't there or more often than not I was there but I was half there and my mind was somewhere else. With this time, I'm gonna be far more present and luckily we've created a business that allows that so the hours aren't like they used to be but just being present means literally being there, not just thinking about other things or waiting to what I gotta do tomorrow, whatever. That's the big one, man. And then patients, my patience is way higher. I mean, I think- Now, do you see it in your children's behavior and your relationship though? Because I see your kids and I think you have an incredible relationship with your kids and I don't see, like, I mean, I know you guys have met older kids, kids that are your age from other friends or people that you know, and it's sometimes obvious. It's like, oh wow, the dad really missed the boat here with the way, the communication or the way he probably was raising them and you can see it now as they're turning into teenagers. I don't see that with your kids. So you say that you weren't very present but I don't feel like your kids feel like you weren't very present. I think they always felt loved. I always, I'm very affectionate. So I'm not one of those dads that has trouble showing, hugging and kissing their kids and expressing how much they love them. And of course, important things I never missed. So like, school events and stuff like that I always tried to make. But I know, I know that I was not as present as it could have been, you know what I'm saying? So I appreciate you saying that, it feels good to hear that, but I think this time around I'm gonna be even better throughout the, but again, I'm still raising my other kids. So I still have, now I'm far more present with them. Yeah, but they're both at an age now where I think you start to see, because five to seven is the most formal years when they really start creating those pathways, behaviors. And by the time they start getting into teenagers is when they really start to revolt or really push back on maybe. You see how all the work plays out. Or the lack of work playing out. And I just don't see that in your, I don't feel like you're, I don't see any like behaviors that your kids express that I go like, oh, that's probably because Sal wasn't around very much or wasn't present. So I think you're probably harder on yourself than what you really, than what you really were. Yeah, maybe, you know, maybe, but I still, I still think like this time around, plus here's the big one too. It's like, it goes by so fast when they're little. You know, one thing that Facebook does that I love and I hate is you go in your feed and it's like seven years ago. Memories. Yeah, and you see a picture of your kids when they were little and you automatically want to cry. And it's mainly because you missed that when they were that young. Oh my gosh, I remember that. Oh yeah, it's like a video with their little cute little voice. Oh, it hits you so. Sometimes I can't even look at them. I can't look at it right now. I'm embarrassed myself in public. But it happens so fast, like you're a kid right now. It's, believe, trust me with this. It goes by, even though now you're present, you're a very present father, I'm sure you're gonna look back and be like, oh my gosh, that went by so quick. Oh, we talked about it last night. You know, he was asleep, we just put him down and we're sitting there, we're getting ready to watch, we're watching that show. And then the kid that I'm referring to that was a grand kid to Kevin Costner. He's probably five or six years old, somewhere around that range or seven, somewhere around that range. And I was like, God, it's gonna be any day, like we're gonna be having conversations with him. How weird is the thing? Like right now getting him to do sounds and point and say, dad has like such a big deal. I'm like real quick here at a blink of an eye, he's gonna have full on conversations and we were talking about how weird that's gonna be and feel and then be thinking back to these times right now. I definitely feel like, and I'm sure this happens for every parent that it just keeps getting better and better, right? So every phase or every new chapter of his life, whether it presents new challenges, oh, he's gonna run around and be like, people always talk about all the hard stuff, you know, for me, there's a reason why I waited so long because I knew it was fucking hard. I knew that it was a lot of work. I experienced that with my two younger siblings. So that, I feel I'm the most prepared for. I'm prepared for the sacrifice, I'm prepared for the hard work. Me, I get to, and I think maybe that's what allows me to be more present is I was ready for all that and so I can really focus on the moments, the fun stuff and the things that I'll probably look back five, 10 years from now and go like, man, do you remember when the first time he giggled when the horse came and this and that and was like, he was so innocent? Like, of course. I think older fathers do a good job, but forget the age part, I think you're just more mature. You're wiser, you're settled, you're smart, you're not chasing certain things. Hopefully he's more selfless, right? More selfless, yeah, but it's, watching the personalities develop is really funny. I remember my son was three, three and a half maybe and, you know, his personality changes all the time, or develops and I remember like something fell in the cupboard and my son stops, he was playing with his trains and he stops and he looks up and he goes, what was that mysterious sound? It was like the first, at three years old, he said that. It was like the first like hint that this kid, he's gonna be able to express himself verbally, you know, in certain ways. I remember thinking like mysterious. Yeah, yeah, where'd you come all the way? Where'd you get that word to? That's so cool. I know, that's what, we haven't hit this yet. Like, that's what I can't wait to see, who does he take after more personality-wise? Like, I see it in Justin's kids, I see it in your kids. You know, right now it's too early for us to see, like, is he more like Katrina, is he more like me, is he the perfect blend of both? You can't lose, you guys are both good people. First question is from Wellner Wellness. Both my husband and I suffer from neck pain and find that bicep work, standard curls and others aggravate this. What are some bicep workouts we can do? I love this question because this reminds me of the flak that I got on YouTube in regards to my bicep curl video. Do you remember that? Oh, you do your split stance? Yeah, the split- Oh, they're giving me shit about that. Yeah, the split stance and then teaching people to pull the shoulders back and then just coming up to full flexion and where your dumbbell is about to your, you know, right about your nipple line or so and not rotating up, which we know that, you know, full, full range of motion on the bicep requires a little bit of that rolling up of the shoulder. The problem is that this is exactly what I came across with clients. Either one, they would allow the shoulder to take over a lot of the movement and they'd feel it less in their bicep or it would even aggravate their shoulder because they're in this kind of forward position and then they're moving and rocking up with the bicep curls and then teaching them in more strict form. One, help them feel it in the bicep more and then two, eliminate things like this. Yeah, well, okay, so the big thing for me when I hear questions like this is a reminder that just because an exercise works a particular body part, it does not mean that the rest of the body is not engaged in some way, right? So a bicep curl, single joint exercise, you're bending the elbow, you're just working the biceps. Does this mean your core is not involved? Does this mean that your shoulder girdle doesn't have to be stabilized? Does it mean that your head and neck position aren't important to pay attention to? If you have a tendency towards neck pain, what a lot of people do with exercises is they either shrug their shoulders a lot with all exercises or they look down or jet their head forward. They look down, they head forward, they strain out of their neck muscles just by grinding their way through the exercise. Yeah, so I would say keep your shoulders down, keep your head straight and tall. A long gait creates some traction in your spine as you're doing your bicep exercise. The other thing I would say is work on your shoulder and upper back mobility. Work on those areas because if your neck is preventing you from working your biceps, I mean, it's gonna prevent you from doing a lot of things, especially exercises like squats and overhead presses and deadlifts, so I would definitely work on mobility. Now there are also, of course, supplements that can help with pain and inflammation, although I don't consider these things to be first lines of defense or solutions, they can help and the way that they tend to benefit is they reduce inflammation, which then gets you to move better, which then helps you reduce future pain because when you have some pain already there, sometimes we protect ourselves with certain positions, which actually contribute to the pain over time. I know Organifi has got a great natural anti-inflammatory supplement called Move. In fact, it has, that's the xanthin in it. It has that in there. It does because of its anti-inflammatory properties. It's got a holy basil in there and other products as well, so you could take that and help reduce the inflammation, but you gotta fix your positioning and your mobility, otherwise this problem was gonna stick around. Yeah, this was actually a common one I would get from clients doing bicep curls, primarily like you had mentioned, the chin kinda tucking down and like, because they're trying to concentrate so hard on what their arms are doing and looking down at it, but also if it's a heavy amount of weight where they're grinding their teeth and they're really squeezing and straining a bit in their face, the neck's not in a favorable position and then they're adding all this extra tension and stress in that area, they ended up getting these tension headaches as a result. If you haven't watched the YouTube video I did on bicep curls, I know it's one of the top 10 or top five videos that we've done as far as views. It's pretty easy to find on our Mind Pump TV YouTube channel, watch that. If you wanna take it to the next level, so this is where I would love to pull out my PVC pipe. So I would take this person, I would put him in that, splits, I would lighten the load, especially when we're talking about an isolation exercise, pushing yourself towards the highest dumbbells you can curl or easy curl. Nobody cares, nobody's bragging about it. Not even just nobody cares, but you're not gonna get that much more benefit by lifting 10 more pounds than what you could in a bicep curl. You're gonna get better results with more better form. Right, so lighten the load, watch that video, and then even the next level to that is especially, I think this person said they're working out with their husband, right? So there's two of them working out together. You take the PVC pipe and you put it behind your partner's back and you want the back of their nodule of their head touching it. You want their upper shoulder blades touching it and then their low back by their hips touching. Those are the three points that you do not wanna lose contact at all. And then perform the movement like I teach it in the YouTube video. That should eliminate a lot of the stress that you're feeling in the neck and in the shoulders. And again, just focus on form. Remember we've talked in the previous episodes about progressive overload. You can do that by slowing the tempo down. So lighter weight, slow the tempo down, control the exercise, focus more on the bicep. Make sure you're keeping that spine nice and neutral. So the PVC pipe is four. That's why I like the split stance. You can also do that with a wall or a squat rack. I do that sometimes with a squat rack where I place, instead of using a PVC pipe, I'll use one of the bars from the squat rack and I'll put that in the middle of my back or I'll put my back up against the wall. Put your back up against the wall, keep your shoulder blades hips. Tuck the chin. And tuck the chin and put the small nodule at the base of your skull against the wall. Keep them all in contact. And if you really want to make it strict, keep your elbows in contact with wall and then do curls like that. I would recommend that because part of sometimes with the shoulder aggravation is that last bit of flexion that happens in the shoulders engage and that might be aggravating it. Next question is from Rari Walnitz. I just turned 50 this year and I'm an experienced lifter of 25 years. I have been working out basically the same way as I did when I was 25. Should I be scaling back the reps and volume for heavier weight and lower volume or should I be adding more reps and volume? Oh, this, see, I like questions like this because I think sometimes we read what we're supposed to do based off of our age or our sex or whatever. And we think, oh, we start to question. Like, am I, should I do this? Because I read this article that says- It shouldn't really be lifting heavy, right? Yeah, once you're over 40 that you need to do this or whatever. Okay. Nothing is above your listening to your individual body. Okay, so I can't answer this question because I'm not in your body. I also don't train you in person. Should you scale back? Well, if you're finding that you're getting more aches and pains in your joints, if you're finding that you're having more trouble recovering, then yeah, you might need to scale back a little bit. There may be some other stuff you can look at as well. Should you increase the volume? Well, I mean, is it easy? Can you increase the volume and still feel recovered and improve in which case then increasing the volume is okay? It all depends on your individual body. It also depends on what you're currently doing. So if, you know, he says I'm lifting, what is the same as 25, right? So does that mean you're, and I'm guessing because there's an option here to either add volume or add reps or also add weight. I'm assuming you probably fall in the muscle building category of the sticking around eight to 12 rep range. And in that case, either direction is gonna be very beneficial to you because it's gonna be novel. Going down and remember this too that, you know, heavy at 50 may be different than what heavy at 25 is. So, you know, maybe, you know, when you were 25, you were deadlifting 400 pounds. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to go that heavy just cause you've done it before. Heavy now may be 315 pounds and that's what might be challenging for five reps. But the value of, you know, working down in the three to five rep range, if you never do that or you haven't done that in years or even haven't done that in six or eight weeks, that's extremely valuable. Same thing goes for the other direction. If you've been hovering around that eight to 12 rep range and you haven't moved up to 15 to 20 reps for a phase or a cycle, that has tremendous value. So, yeah, not only knowing what this person is feeling and where they're at and what's going on with their body but also what's going on with their programming. It's not enough information for me to know what they were doing for the last 25 years. Whatever you've been doing, moving away from that is one of the best things that you could possibly do right now if all things are healthy and fine. I'll tell you what though, if you've been training with traditional resistance training in the gym and you've been doing it that way for 25 years, I'll tell you what, math's performance will blow you away. It'll completely blow you away because of its emphasis on mobility and because of a lot of the movements are non-traditional in that program. So, if you've been doing traditional bench presses and squats and rows and overhead presses, they're kind of the traditional bodybuilding exercises which are great, there's nothing necessarily wrong with them. If you go to a program like Math's Performance after decades of training a particular way, it will literally blow your mind. I'll tell you what that way is. Yeah, I've actually been going through this with my dad who has been doing the same routine for about 25, 30 years. Similar situation but is at a point now where it's getting this sort of repetitive stress where it's starting to affect the joints, the knees, his hips. And so for me to now get him moving laterally and twisting is really crucial to fulfill and basically alleviate a lot of the pain of him coming back in and doing these workouts he was doing and really changing it up is gonna be transformative for him. Well, and the beauty of the programming like if you take or you go through Math's Performance is that we take you through all those phases. So, I mean, you're gonna go through a strength phase, you'll go through a hypertrophy type of phase and endurance type phase. There's an explosive phase, it's the only program with an explosive phase. Right, so it'll, if you have all the laid out for you so you go through all that and then you modify the weights to where you're at currently right now but Sal's right, the different types of movements that are in performance, even if you're somebody who's been training for traditional weight training, it's foreign enough and novel enough that you're gonna see some great results just from doing that. You know what is interesting about this, people like this though, is that they're your ability to handle work and workouts, it doesn't decline until you're a little older than 50, much older. I mean, if you've ever met a 50 year old construction worker or a 50 year old farmer, they will blow your mind how much their bodies can handle because they've been doing it for so long. The work capacity is incredible. I used to help my dad in construction all the time and you'd see these men in their 50s who've been doing it since they were teenagers and here I am, I'm a teenage kid myself, I'm pretty fit and they blow me away by how much they could work and do. They're just way more efficient. Yeah, they whistle while they're doing it and having a good time and meanwhile I'm like sweating my ass off and I can barely breathe and so you'd be surprised at how long it takes before age starts to, especially you've been doing it for 25 years before age starts to force you to have to reduce things. Next question is from Jamil, A144. If you had to remove the big three exercises, what could you replace them with that would be comparable? What are we gonna say the big three are a squat, dead overhead press? No, well they, yeah, the big three is usually bench press, squat and deadlift is usually what they say. Maybe we should do four, throw in some overhead press if you want because that's when I feel like that's a stable. Yeah, so do I. This is easy for me. So back squat, if I had to never do a back squat again, the exercise I would do as much as a back squat would be a front squat in my opinion. Oh, I would go Bulgarian. Well, see the thing is, that's still on the table but the exercise to replace back squats for me would be front squat. I just feel like it's close enough to providing the benefits of a back squat. Although a Bulgarian is pretty damn good. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something. First of all, why would you remove the big three? The only reason why you would remove the big three is maybe you don't have the barbell, right? And so how can I. I think it's just a hypothetical question. Yeah, just for shits and giggles. I mean, if that's. Philosophical. Yeah, if that's the case then I can get on board a little bit with the front squat. Although I still, I, what I experienced, and this was late later in my career of really focusing on the Bulgarian split squat. The benefits that I got from that were tremendous and I saw a lot of carryover into my squat, my leg size, my stability, my hip mobility from it, my ankle mobility from it. I just, I prefer that. We're already so anteriorly driven so doing something like a front squat. You know, when I compare though you're looking at the activation of the back, the low back, the ankle mobility and then, you know, from watching Olympic lifters who are the best front squatters in the world. These guys are front squatting tremendous amounts of weight and that's what a back squat is great at. A back squat is amazing because you can load the hell out of it. So it makes it one of the best exercises. I think the front squat is closer to that. Like you can load the hell. You can get really, really good at front squats. Well, where do you stand on this, Justin? Well, I've actually seen athletes like really load heavy Bulgarian squats. Yeah, you can. Yeah, and so it's interesting to speculate about because if that is like, you prize that as much as a back loaded squat, I've seen athletes actually really take off in their strength gains and their stability simultaneously. So I think that like- From an athletic perspective. From an athletic perspective. And functional perspective. Sure, yeah. Right, so, but I mean, I love the front squat too. It's just, I think that I would probably lean more in the Bulgarian. Yeah, all right. So the next exercise would be the deadlift. That's easy for me. And I don't know if this is cheating, but I do a trap bar deadlift. Is that too close? I know, right. Can I pick that? Yeah, I feel like that's too close. Is it too close? Yeah, yeah. See, I think it's different enough. How about a hip thrust? For a deadlift? Oh, no. No, no, I wouldn't do that. Or a barbell row. I mean, you gotta do something. You gotta, we gotta do something for- You gotta pick something up heavy. Yeah, well, you gotta do something for the back, right? So I mean, you gotta do a big mover for the back if you're gonna get rid of it. Yeah, but deadlifts are like hips. It's, you know, it's- Well, yeah, that's why it's irreplaceable. If I had to get rid of it, the barbell row, just doing the barbell row, you get some of the glute, hip, hamstring stabilization to hold that position. So it's not being eliminated. So there's value in doing 135 bent over row. Your hips are involved, your glutes are involved. They're not moving and they're not flexing, but they're at least in a, they're in an isometric hold in that position. And you're rowing big weight on your back. I'm just trying to think of right now the strength that you get from a deadlift, you know? I think, obviously, trap bar deadlift, you guys say that's cheating. I can kind of see that, cause it's so similar. Heavy farmer walks would be up there for me because of the kind of strength that it provides. It's kind of similar to a deadlift. You're right. Yeah, cause it's an all-encompassing kind of a strength that you're getting out from the deadlift like it. So I think that the farmer walk actually does sort of accomplish a similar type of body response because you're stabilizing everything at once in your heavy weight, especially if you're like really loading it heavy. I think that that's- Well, that's my case for the bent over barbell row. The bent over barbell row is gonna get the hamstring and glute involved in the stabilization. The lower back is extremely, is it in there? It's just like a farmer carry, the stabilization that you're getting with heavy load. You do that with a heavy barbell. You're getting all that in the hips and the hamstrings and then low back. And then in addition to that, you're rowing and getting the lats and rhomboids involved. The barbell row would have to be the exercise. Well, but here's the thing though. Does it mean you can't do other back exercises? You know what I'm saying? Like we're replacing the deadlift, but does that mean? Okay, so let's say we picked a farmer's walk. That means you can still do pull-ups. You could still do dumbbell rows. You could still do- It's just you never do deadlifts again. That's the question. And if I never did deadlifts again, but I still had access to all these other exercises, the one that I would replace it with, and if I can't pick a trap bar, I'm thinking again, farmer's walk. I just, just the kind of strength that I get from the deadlift, you know? That's a tough one though. I think that's the hardest one to replace. That is a hard one. Bench press. Is it cheating if I say incline, incline press? Or dumbbells. Yeah. I mean, is that cheating? Cause I feel like those are great. Well, you kinda gotta remove the barbell, I would think. You know? Okay. Yeah, so if we do like dumbbell, bench, incline. Yeah, I'll take dumbbell, incline bench all day. Or even a dumbbell flat. You know what's funny? Take out the barbell bench press. You're not missing much. I know. I hate to say it, but if you just never did it, and all you did were, you know, dumbbells and incline and dips. You'll be fine. Yeah, you're gonna be okay. You would miss barbell squats, and you would definitely miss deadlifts. Now overhead barbell press, I mean, again, what are we gonna say? You know, dumbbell press, overhead? It's kind of the same exercise. Well, yeah, you have, because there's nothing that, or at least I'm drawing a blank right now of like getting you in full overhead extension. You can't, you can't eliminate that movement. That's such an important movement that you have. And if you're saying that you can't- If you never do it, you're screwed. Yeah, you have to do it. And a front delt raise and a lateral, none of those come close to that. It's like a handstand push-up's not gonna cut it. Yeah. Although- Although that's a good, actually that would be good. I know, but like you're just dealing with body weight is the only thing. It's definitely very, very challenging. And it sort of obviously turns it up on its head, right? But yeah, it's a very similar movement. I like that. Honestly, that's, because I was drawing a blank on, because I'm looking for something that you're getting your fully extended over your head. That's the, that is the most important part for everybody why that movement belongs in every routine is because we lose that, just very of all the things too that's up there with the things that I think we lose the fastest. That's what I used to see in my older clients. It was one of the number one, aside from not being able to squat, not being able to do their posture, they couldn't reach straight up above my head. Not even older. I found this in myself. That was one of the limiting factors why I didn't do overhead press. I mean, I was in my 20s and I already had to arch my low back to get full extension. I mean, we were just so all rounded, right? We're all so forward. You're always reaching in front. Yeah. And if you're not training that, it's really, really tough for you to try and get that back, you know, and it takes a lot of work to get back to that place. So yeah, Justin, I actually think that the old standing. Yeah, it actually does make sense. I can't think of anything else that would incorporate. Is it kettlebell overhead press count or is that still true? Yeah, and see my brain would go more for the spiral line type of a press with a kettlebell just because it's a different load, but it's more favorable functional. I like the kettlebell overhead press more than dumbbell overhead press. And if you asked me five years ago, I would have never said that, but I know that I've done them enough. Your overhead carries. Overhead carries. Overhead carries with kettlebells would be sure. I do those a lot with my son, you know that? Because that full extension is such a difficult thing. So we just practice walking with a single dumbbell and two dumbbells overhead. Great exercise. And it keeps that full extension. Now we're re-emphasizing the importance of that so your body is gonna be able to keep that. After riding strong and training strong too, I became a huge fan of circus presses. Did you? That was not ever a common movement for me. I love that. I was doing them just the other day again. That exercise, you get to use a little bit of body English to get the weight up there so I can go over a high load. And when I think about it, you would kind of get to get a really heavy weight up over your head. You kind of would do it. You can't have to throw it up. And you would kind of use whatever leverage you could to push over your head. You wouldn't have this strict, perfect form. That's a fun exercise. It is a fun exercise. It's a good exercise. I feel a lot of core stability in there, a lot of shoulder stability in there. That's up there with one of my favorites. Next question is from Coach Carruthers. What were some of the resources you read or studied that had an impact on your current programs? Oh my gosh. You know, so here's the thing. Okay, we, Maps Anabolic, I created, what was it, back in what, 2013? 13. 13, okay. And then, you know, mass performance and aesthetic and split and strong, all the other programs we all created together. What went into writing those programs? Decades of experience between all of us. So you're looking at, you know, 60 years of experience. If we don't even count Doug, you can throw in another 20 years on top of it. With all the studies. With all the certifications. With studies, certifications, with reading, with training, so many different clients and training ourselves, that's what went into the programs. So if I listed all the stuff that I read. But not only that, like, I know where this person is going like with this, like, oh, you know, you guys, the way you have your frequency or the choices of exercises, like what studies led to that. And it wasn't a study that led to any one of those single decisions. It's concepts. Yes, I think it's all these concepts that we were exposed to. We tried with our clients, we saw successes by doing certain methods that we'd learned and gone through certification courses and things. And we're like, I really like this for this specific reason. And so I would take certain types of, you know, mobility moves and be like, this is gonna be a great assessment. And so I would, you know, look at things like that as I was going through these courses. So yesterday I get a DM from someone. So I guess Mike Matthews, good friend of ours, right? Owns the Supplement Company Legion, also writes some good fitness books. Knows his stuff. Mike Matthews is one of the better, I'd say fitness authorities that there are today. But Mike Matthews interviewed, what's his name, Menno Helmensman? I don't know how to say his name. Anyway, he's a guy- Big body bowler guy? No, he does lots of studies and training people for a long time. He was on his podcast and the debate was full body workouts versus body part splits. Now we know Mike Matthews, a big fan of body part splits. Menno is full body. And if you ask a lot of coaches and trainers who've trained a lot of people over a long period of time, they say full body. So I get this DM and he's like, you know, I love Mike and I love you and you guys are so smart. But, you know, Mike, he leans more towards splits. And why does he do that when you guys are always talking about full body? And I said, look, I said, Mike is extremely knowledgeable, very smart. The guy reads everything and he knows how to disseminate it and break down the studies and pick what is actually working, what's not working. Now we've done that as well, but we also combine that with lots of experience, training lots and lots and lots of people. And that's why we get the, that's why we have our opinion. There's a behavioral component in all of our decisions. When I think about the core- Just at the end of the day, it's what works. When I think of the core principles of the programming that we've done, like obviously all the research around periodization. So if you read all the research around periodization, you'll get the understanding of why we phase the workouts. If you read all the research on the exercises that are the most valuable, the biggest bang for your buck to show the most results, everything from CNS, to building muscle, to burning fat, to burning calories. You'll see why we picked all the exercises. At the core of all of our programs. And then after that, then we have taken an account, then frequency would be another one, right? All the studies that are around frequency. Tempo, volume. Those to me are like the really good, as far as like the research, right, is there. Then after that, then we all sit here and we go back and forth on what we've seen. And we take an account. So some study might say, oh, this is the best for this. But then we go, well, wait a second. How many of the clients did you ever train stuck to that for longer than two weeks? Yeah, that never works. Right, exactly. And how do those flow together in the workout? Because everything written on paper is completely different than actually applying it in person, watching somebody go through it. Yeah, I'll make a silly example. Let's say a study comes out tomorrow and it says cardio at 4 a.m., fasted for 45 minutes, burned 15% more fat than cardio at any other times of the day. Then you'd get the research junkies who come out and be like, this is how you should do cardio. This is what I prescribe. 45 minutes at 4 a.m., because here's what the study said. Me as a trainer is gonna say, don't do that. I've never had any client that's ever done 45 minutes of cardio at 4 a.m. every single day. Forever. It just doesn't work. Right, they're not gonna do it forever. Yeah, so it's not worth the 15% because you're gonna get 0% because you're never gonna do it. That's a silly example, but I made it very clear. Another good example is what you're talking about with the body part split versus the full body argument. We talk about it at Nazium on this podcast, and it's because the reality of it is nobody ever trains like a perfect study does where you don't miss anything, you go perfect, you measure the volume, everything's all, no, everybody, very few people are doing that. Most people are going how they feel. Most people have shit that happens, they get sick, they miss a day, and so you have to factor all that in and consistency with whatever they're gonna do is really important. So if you have somebody who's on a body part split and they're like 80% of the population who goes consistent for a couple of weeks or maybe in a couple of months and then falls off the wagon and then comes back, what you've ended up finding out is that over the course of months and years, somebody who follows a full body routine ends up hitting the muscle groups more frequently, which ends up giving them more results over in the big picture, not just in a six week study. And it's also this other factor that nobody ever considers, which is just the practice, the practice of the same exercises over and over and getting good at them, that's the way it makes them so effective, full body workouts, do that. So I'm gonna list certain books that have been more influential than others. Now as a kid, I read all the magazines. When I say all, I literally, I mean, I had my first job, I was working with my dad at the age of 13, and then I got jobs at restaurants after that, washing dishes, and I literally subscribed to Iron Man, Muscle and Fitness, Flex Magazine, Muscle Mag, Muscle Media 2000, and I think that's it, I had five Muscle Magazine subscriptions, so I read all of them all the time. Those had a lot of influence, and although they were big pamphlets to sell supplements essentially, there was some articles in there that were pretty smart, and so I did learn some stuff. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia Bodybuilding, very, very impactful because it literally listed all of the, definitely all of the free weight exercises for every body part. So I learned all the exercises that you could do with free weights at a very young age from that book because I was able to study it. Mike Menser's Heavy Duty was another book that had a huge impact, mainly because he positioned an argument which was, hey, if you do way less volume, do more intensity, you'll get the same results. What he said wasn't 100% correct, but it did get me to question certain things and look at the way that I would design my workouts. Dinosaur Training was another book that I learned a lot from, and then Old Publications. I'm talking about Turn of the Century, like first, the strongman of the early 1900s, watching how they worked out. You can stand out, and your Charles Atlas is and all those apps. I was totally researching all that stuff too, like I loved old strength journals and ways that people did it back in the day before we had this surge of anabolic steroids and different ways of organizing the gym with machines. It's like, what did we used to do? And so I got into that, I got into Dr. Ed Thomas's work. He was really movement focused, Greg Cook, Eric Cressy, lots of the sports specific type of trainers out there that put out really good information. So, another one was Super Training by Mel Siff, which is where they, we finally got information about everything from Russian studies, and it's just stuff like that. If you look towards your interest, and so obviously I had an interest in movement and specifically in athletic pursuits. Well, another area that we none of us mentioned right now that is taking into consideration all the programs is mobility and movement. So, like books like Supple Leopard or certifications like Ken Stretch or Aldoah or FRC, things like that are also taken into consideration when we're programming, because it's not just about the X's and O's on everything, it's also about just learning to teach people to move better and all the deficiencies and dysfunction that we saw for all those years. So, things like that are taken into consideration when we choose certain exercise or exercise order because we know the habits and behaviors of people. Here's what else is really cool is that, and I loved it when I met Adam and Justin because I had met two other fanatics about fitness that were similar to my level of fanaticism. They would look at some different things, but they studied it with the same level of passion. And so what you get is you get, sometimes people get stuck at just listening to advice from one type of strength athlete like bodybuilder or powerlifter or yoga expert. One thing that I did is, and I did this later on and it was so impactful, was I studied how powerlifters train and then I studied how Olympic lifters train and then I'd read about kettlebell type training and then I'd read about martial arts and calisthenics type training and all of this, you get all these nuggets of wisdom from these old forms of training. Powerlifting's been around for a long time. So is bodybuilding, so is Olympic lifting, kettlebell training even longer. You're gonna get like aspects and things that you can learn from each of them apply to your training. So what you see in our programs is a culmination of, it's like our programs, and although all of them are designed for specific avatars like for example, maps performance, build muscle but move well. We like to use the ancient athlete as the avatar, but what you really have are the mixed martial arts of muscle building programs. We pick the best from each category and injected what works so well in each category. So what you end up with is a very well balanced body that builds muscle, avoids plateaus and it feels phenomenal. I also feel like we broke down a lot of barriers that we saw. I remember this was a lot of the motivation on the podcast is to your point Sal about how we tend to gravitate towards one professional or one expert in a field and then we marry that ideology and then what the fitness space does is they separate everybody and it's my way is better than your way because that's what I mean. It's all versus. Yeah, because that's what sells better, right? That's, I'm trying to sell my ideas that my way of training or my modality is better than your modality and just the three of us didn't subscribe to that belief. Like because we had so much experience in all different aspects, we studied all different ways of training, we saw the value of all of it and it wasn't like, oh, this guy is more right than that guy. It's like, no, they're all right in their own right and there's something to take from all of those and really when you look at the entire collection of all the maps programs, they are. There's pieces of all of that in every one of those programs because none of us subscribed to one ideology. It's like Bruce Lee was quite a bit of a philosopher when it came to martial arts and he was one of the first martial artists to say, here's what Kung Fu does and that's really well. Oh, look at the way the boxers dance in their footwork and look how they use the jab and look how wrestlers change levels and are able to control a fight on the ground and look at submissions and leverage and all that stuff. And I mean, all of those things make you a really good fighter, right? So that's really the big thing that you wanna take out of this. Even if your goal is just to build a lot of muscle, man, you don't think power lifters build muscle or Olympic lifters build muscle or kettlebell athletes build muscle. You don't think mobility helps you build muscle. Like all those things contribute to better performance and better results. And so studying all of those things, I think that's gone into each and every maps program. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come tune in on YouTube, Mind Pump podcast. You can also find us all on Instagram. You can find Doug the producer at Mind Pump Doug. You can find Justin at Mind Pump, Justin, me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam. Well, so I have two thoughts on this. One, I understand your position with having a child. When we started Mind Pump, I was in a different position than when I had started other businesses. When I opened my wellness studio, I was, I think, 23 years old. I didn't have any kids.