 So first of all we are going to discuss stuff I will present the debian events team for the second time in after last year in debcov and then Then I will show you what's going on with the debcov the debian events team so for those who don't know the debian events team it has a web page which is actually the events web page on the debian website, which is a www.debian.org.events and His part the events team is considered part of the publicity team of which we have that we added the both just with these two hours ago What we do actually we maintain a sort of up-to-date list of the forthcoming events So every time there's a major events in debian it is a present in the events team and the events pages for example major events related to debian like the debcov here and We keep a record of all the events that are there. So if you want to go to a previous event you just go to the previous pages which sort of an history then We try to coordinate event organization Which means that it tried to find information about the presence of debian at any events It can be big events coming for example first them or smaller events like for example talks or Stabian is at present at an in government or whatever The coordination means that we want to know about speakers if there's any talk We want to know about volunteers who called who is there What they plan to do why they are going there and we also try to go to organize both Okay, and this is the major presence of debian at events So usually it's a debian people or they be unfriend debian user that help Organizing the booths help or spreading they spread debian Debian and outworks out what we do and all this kind of stuff. We also and handle merchandise so t-shirt production or keychains like this one or any other stuff tartans ties and We keep track of the merchandise produced by the debian trusted organization which are organization that are entitled to old money officially for debian and We try also to keep track of merchandise sold by different companies all over the world So if a company wants to in a sort of make publicity of their products They just send an email to events at debian.org and we enlisted them on the merchandise page How we can interact with the team very easy We have the major mainly main main address, which is events at the debian at all and if you want to announce an event or if you want to contact the event team just to know what's going on go to Introducing event to say something just send them an email there and for anything which is general discussion How the team works what we need to change whatever we have the day we use the debian publicity Mainly list which is debian dash publicity at least dot debian dot org By which but for everything which is a related to the web pages. We use the debian The team and the bug related to the web pages which goes to attack a HTTP Bugs the debian dot org Www dot debian dot org. This is a pseudo package So what this is now that you know what who we are Actually, what we decided to to do for debconf 11 and the manager of points of the discussion about today so we have we need to Actually refactor all the web events pages because in a so in a sense We need to list also minor events, which means a single talk for example our DPL gave a talk in Taiwan and The talk was not Enough publicized so it was not present on the on the mailing list And it was not present on the mailing list It was not announced on the events page It was announced on blog on the planet of debian dot org. It was aggregated But it was not officially present in the debian page We actually what one of our idea would be to have some sort of submission form so people can actually Announce an event in a web form, which is maybe best best for other people just copy and paste Something from the web directly if they don't want to fire out their mail user agent We need to update our instruction. I will how we can manage a booth how we can Publicize an event. This is something what something quite important because they are outdated unfortunately and the virtual shop idea is something that we will have probably Discussed later on the idea is to have a sort of central repository Repository of all the merchandise that the debian system trusted organization as so you don't know you don't need to contact each single organization, but we have everything in one single place and We we need to have a new IRC channel, which at the moment is a debian publicity channel But probably we don't have publicized so much that sorry for the pun And we need to have sort of search database for the talks So nowadays if you want to know something about debian in 2005 you need to go to the events page Go to 2005 and scroll down the page until you you find your events and this is quite not you really use a friendly So do we need to we need to have a search post? For the booth what we we want to do absolutely we want to adapt the information. This is clear We want to the merchandise stuff linked into the merchandise page, which is quite up to date not completely The better page of the queen have the best page of the queen have but it must be linked there And we also want if we go on with the idea of the virtual shop have the link there We want to have the debian events book We talk about that later and we want to have everything which is events related in debian packages this mean officially debian packages in the archive and This is why we want to move the debian flyers project, which probably not everyone knows the debian flyers project is a sort of is a repository of latex sources about the debian pamphlet or flyer I would I would call Usually in which is translated in a if I call quality eight languages. So you just change the Some information who sponsored these flyers the production of these flyers and put the logo And then it's just symbol make and you got to be a post script and you print you print the post And you go to the to the event to the booth and you give away Printouts or you can send an email to the events mailing list because if you have printouts from Yes, it working Wait, they need to No, no, no It doesn't matter. Okay. Why isn't debian flyer package in the again because The idea is that if you want to do something you just APT get to install the package So you don't need to go to website Why we want to the package in debian? Isn't it well, I don't know. I don't know so I Don't know it's it's there and the problem of the package is not only the debian flyer the real problem is that we produce t-shirts and We don't have the SVG or the PS or whatever So they were the easiest way to to have a census or something like an idea of what you have is to have a package and So the idea that is that we we are gonna send an email to all the people that Produce t-shirt if you can track keep track of them ask for the SVGs or the PDF or any other kind of file Ask for the license because we want to add it to the DFS to the debian package and then create debian package Probably we'll have more than one single package We will probably have one package for the events book and one package for the extra stuff But at least we have we'll have all centralized and this is also in Relation to the merchandise because we want a license for all the logos that we use for the merchandise and actually this will be a For sure the FCG license We want once we ask that for the license. We have the SVG in the package and As I already said, we want to compile the census for we have we have which is probably quite a lot I don't even know all the kind of stuff that were produced for the game and I'm part of the BNC and We we want to add the page about the trust or the trust organization So which are actually debian. So this is something that I want to stress all trusted organization are debian they are not different and I mean they are they are part of debian completely and We probably want to re-factorize also the merchandise burden page and those page Striking what is produced by the debian trust organization and what he produced by others and finally The there's some probably then some ideas about the mailing. So all the information are spread one of the idea will be to have a debian events announced mailing list, which is actually is Allow a posting is allowed only from the best events and press member only because at the moment We have four different events debian events mailing list one for Europe one for Netherlands one for South America and one for North America and For example, you need to subscribe to four different mailing list if you want to know all the events that take care They take a part in debian. We probably want all the information that are sent to the mailing list also sent to blog posts and This ends up in the same blog post that block the debian.org that was discussing you the publicity mail publicity buff and Again again again spread the information that every time you have you be a part of a debian event Send an email to us because it's quite difficult to follow different mailing list different blog posts different Regulators and every time find out. Oh, there was an event. We didn't know. Oh, it's too late We cannot send an email and we we didn't publicize that So that's that's the situation that this was actually what what I wanted in the event It a team wanted to do more or less during that cough And I will show you the result and we start really to discuss completely Yes, Arna. Does it work? No. Yes So the first question is everything should be sent to event events so Up to now many things were sent to for example debian events you Really did like that Kind of setup because it it did made me not Needed needing to read what things are going on in North America or wherever and where I never get to Yeah, so actually the blue last phrase should be last sentence should be rephrase and Restate that everything should be sent also to events at debian.org So I follow events at the debian events EU so everything which end up there I know I am aware of it But maybe Francesca or Martin doesn't doesn't follow that mainly don't follow that mailing list And if you get an email or events, we are closely following that Alias address so we need at least to be notified and we don't want to Be obliged to read the event all the events mailing list because for example some day events South America mailing list I don't speak Spanish and it's mostly in Spanish in Spanish So I can sort of translate the mail they announced that is going there But if there's one single line look there's an event in Brazil at this time And we in these guys will be at the coordinator We can contact the guy, but at least we can be aware of something Okay, so that's that should be sent should be also if someone can correct this, please Zack If I may so I see the point of separating the mailing list But the the traffic of debian events North America of all 2011 is like 10 days So there is always a trade-off in separating things which make stuff a bit more difficult to to find maybe and Uniting things with you can get some mail that you don't want to read But I think the trade-off here on actually having a single contact point can actually be beneficial That's just my view Well in North America that may be at the moment the case Debian events you has has has a quite a bit higher mail throughput and I think That might change With Debian events North America to so I think this is it this is a question of What time it is at the moment in Debian? When the North Americans and get more active then there will be more males there exact or Ronda one of the two, okay, but Then we just have to see it from the other way Around people subscribe to deviant events North America Getting floated by all the traffic from deviant events EU and which they might not be interested because they are not crossing the sea One more thing I wanted to mention the deviant events announce list is not established yet No, no, no, no, these are ideas. Okay, so the idea is not actually sorry I said the idea is not to remove all the other melee list We can keep deviant events EU which is actually a very good example of coordination So you say sorry especially for coordination this list is perfect Debian events announce is a moderated list So it can't fulfill the same purpose of events EU and events that deviant orc is a contact address So it's not a mailing list. So there are different purposes behind it so there's no Move to get rid of deviant events EU. No, no, no, the idea is not to get rid of me because it works quite well I mean as you say it is a coordinating mailing list and it happened for the example for the Chemnitzel Linux target this year It happens for FOSDM, whatever as as far as the information is public the information should be there about coordination actually and If we want to say something we just we don't want to announce something we go to the deviant events announce mailing list But we the events team get the information and announce to the people. So we are actually like a proxy more or less Okay, I just wanted to say That the same which counts for the South America or Latin America mailing list also counts for the deviant events and L mailing list I was subscribed there for some time and the language over there is mostly Dutch So and I think there was also one place a one time where we thought about deviant events DE for Germany Which would be a probably German mailing list, but on the other hand then again Events in Germany attract a lot of people also from the Countries which are close by I think similar things should also come for the Dutch area on the other hand So that was one reason why I was subscribed So I That's basically just setting these facts because I think they are important I Don't think it's quite it's difficult to simply add the cc to events at the debut of torque when you send an email So the idea is really we get notified and we do all the work for you for all the part of the announcement So actually we help you So it's up to you to know to send us the email Then we do the work anyway because if we find an announcement on the blog post We do the work for you, but if you help us, it's a bit better because we are quite busy as well as any other So now let's go back to the debion events box. So the debion events package as I said Sorry, the debion events package as I said, this will be as already been announced in a way by Francesca When he sent when he replied about the debion events buff on the debut of publicity mailing list back in May I guess something like that accent One more suggestion. Don't call it a package because I'm always confused and think you wanted wanting to upload something That's a package To be uploaded. Oh, okay Sorry, there was there was my confusion. I thought I had the debion event box on the next Buffer instead. It was the package. So this is a better than the name is perfect And this is a debion packages in the source and binary for okay So we contain all design use for merchandise Okay, proper license proper SVG or PS or PDF whatever and track of who did what okay? I didn't know who Produced produce the logo for the debion anarchism a t-shirt and actually when Amaya this year blogged about that The one guy asked for one t-shirt ten years later more or less after the first By batch so we need to know if you can print something and we figure we need to give credit to someone for one logo or any other stuff and They would already talk about the debion flyers. We need to think about how to set up this stuff. So Obviously the first place will be the publicity repository We need to discuss and we are not and we have not discussed it yet if this is feasible and How the name the binary package will end up is still a Vapourware so don't take this as we have uploaded the package yesterday. Okay, we will update the lot the package at some time in the future and then What's what's the debion package? Oh, I don't have the debion box anymore Just two seconds So what's the debion box the debion events box the debion events box? It's something that we we want to have Coordinate to coordinate actually too easy the life of the booth organizer and this will be more or less Shaped on what some other project already have like Konomi So you organize the booth and you get something like that Okay, you get a box a real box a physical box in this case plenty of stuff and Actually, which is plenty of marketing material And this will be the minimal material that you need to organize the booth And this material after the research that we we have done during the last week is more comprised more or less one demo PC Will be a very small demo is a very small PC and then is something like an e-box Which probably is all the guys that have attended for you for them have already seen this is it was at for them We always use axle box. So it's a box more or less 20 per 5 centimeter 20 centimeter 5 centimeter It's debion box everything will be supported and we'll end up working Running at the bubble box bubble box is a debion installer Subproject in a way so it's actually a virtual Installation which run the debion installer in all the different in the language that you have configured to So it shows the fact that the debion installer and debion itself is available in different languages and it's all automatic So really is a is one way to show off all the debion power in a in a very easy way okay, so we will fix that and Then we will have at least an LCD in order to reduce the cost of the debion events box You will be a 70 inch city LCD Obviously if you have another LCD at the booth, you can use any other LCD It doesn't matter, but if you don't have one at least you will have one The idea of having a projector is quite appealing really having a big screen is is some sort of The best option, but at the same time in some case we end up not having the place for the for the LCD So you need a clean surface and sometimes there's not enough There's not enough space some other times you have the space, but actually you don't have the surface So it's a face for example, it's black whatever and saddam at times There's no physical space to put actually projector because you need cables you need data stuff So it is useful. This is clearly useful, but it's not something that we don't want. Absolutely. Okay Then while keyboard mouse, this is something that must be discussed and this is why I asked will be people to come closer Stefano that suggested to have a wireless keyboard and mouse, which is good But at the same time they we need to change batteries They can be stolen quite easily because if anyone attended as an organizer booth You you plan to be there all the time But then when you start to discuss with people because people ask your question and interaction is Required you don't care anymore about what's going on behind and if there are 10 people attending the booth It's okay if there are two people. It's really difficult and it's exhausting So at some point you you are tired and you don't pay any more so close attention to the stuff that you have to booth We live an access point. So you arrive there you plug the network the uplink and everything will work You don't need to configure anything. We'll have network. You have network for the others and that's all okay Well power strips and a worldwide adapter cable the cash box If you if you are selling stuff or if you are getting donation Okay, and finally the advertising material the advertising material most of the time will be at least in English If it's and if it's available in the local language, it's better And if it's not available and you translate it it you do that's a big favor and you help us actually and we Posters are actually very good, but again sometimes you don't have the space for the poster or U.S. Space for example at Boston, but the poster are behind you. It's difficult to put them up and whatever This is why we are thinking about buying a leaflet rack, which is actually the panel that arrived in a Tube and you just need to take them out and you I don't know how to say you slide up them so everything with it's already printed on it and But unfortunately, these are quite big with respect to Pelican case so it will probably be in another case or this is something that we need to discuss and As Alexander suggested we need to have a general Debian business card On one side you have youths willing on the other side people and the user can write something So for example, okay, I discussed with these guys. I taking notes Then they go back home They know that they are they discuss about Debian and they remind of what they have discussed and then Some sort of t-shirts for the boost stuff So we need to find to design a good logo for the boost up So all the people that are attending the booth have the same t-shirt. I'm there I'm there. Oh Yeah, I think you what would be needed also is like some kind of Kensington compatible locks or something Sorry Kensington compatible locks or something to lock. I mean you have to Otherwise it will get stolen Can you add it to the page, please? um What is what I didn't see in the list is a big one or more big posters so we did some crash test with the axle and If the poster is up to a one we can fit in the box a one it's more or less like this but With yeah, and but at the same time the problem is that we don't Sometime you don't have play space for the poster so We send the poster and if there's busy use it the which kind of posters it depends there's There's a very good German poster which was done probably by Martin Schulz if I call correctly But this is not translated into other language. So we need to translate it it There are other posters which are quite funny like the Mike poster that we have here Depending on the conference, maybe it's appropriate or not Something which is quite I think it's quite useful in the sense to give the the sense of world-wideness of Debian Is the Debian developer poster which must be updated but But at least we have it we started to updated it here the deck off with single patches So we need to decide which poster and then probably there will be no such so much space in the box At least one or two posters probably they can fit not so many But we can also have different options and deliver one single poster each time so This must be discussed What about what about a banner instead of a poster because you can fold a banner and you don't have to wallet So the banner this is another this is another idea. We have some banners so the one that you use here and We just need to to add that to the leaky to the wiki and that's really okay But the problem with many banners is that it's quite difficult to to put up a poster you can just pin on the wall You see it with a big Debian banner. We have a foster and so it just falls down every time. Yeah So, yeah, sorry or I don't want to barge into the poster discussion because I have to say something to fit Go on I would like to I don't want to start a big discussion on this point, but t-shirts for the both stuff I would oppose this idea because One point there is that's much organization because if I think we are organizing the Frostconn both at the moment at the moment, I don't know how many people will be attending the booth and they won't the last one will tell me like two days before and such Events usually takes like two or three days and at least I don't want to wear The idea and the third one I think Debian isn't that uniform that everyone has to wear a t-shirt like uniform Debian t-shirt. Yes, Debian t-shirts are okay, but not the same one. I would say I See your point and I love wearing different Debian t-shirts, too, but if you will go to a larger event users often have the problems to Find out who of all these guys wearing a Debian t-shirt is Somehow related to the project and others are just fanboys. So having some kind of Uniform so to speak is a major improvement. In fact, we had said once at linux tag 2004 or five I think and it worked pretty well Besides being a well-resisted linux tag I think I think one of the problems is we have to wash the t-shirts and have to have new t-shirts No, I know I will Care of shipping the box but not shipping t-shirts for on washing clothes. I'm I'm I'm very strongly against Having the people to wear all the same design of t-shirts because when I'm at foster I'm always very annoyed by the fedora guys who all wear the same Polo shirt because it looks like a uniform and it looks like being Pushed from above on them. Okay, can I say something? The idea as alexander pointed out is to recognize the people are which are the booth who are at the booth Sorry, and it can be it can be t-shirt. It can be anything else what we can have which actually I really like it Is the printed tag? Okay, maybe and I have faculty and yet the Debian Metal tag you have one I guess The one that you I don't know why we call it name tag, okay and this is this is something that we can have and It's recognized people people don't want to use them then it's very difficult to recognize people I mean it's we need to know who is really at the booth because it's our customer You are used to have people at the booth. We are who are not coordinating the booth so Yeah, I think the metal thing is a good idea But that's what you are saying related to a completely different problem that relates to the problem I very often experience on Debbie and both especially at Frostconn or foster myself that People who are somewhere connected to the both are standing around and hanging around in front of the booth We at some Events like Chemnitz or something at that We we really did well at dividing up these spaces to have the officially people who are attending both at the moment sitting behind the both some Next to it some people who are just talking and the main area in front of the both free for people who want to know To want to look and I think this is the problem We should look at if we're doing it both the metal tags are a good thing, but I don't think t-shirts do solve the problem Another point in that Context is we are not a corporation We do not want corporate identity at least I do not want corporate identity. I hate that the point is we are diversity and the our users the users of Debian who are wearing Debian t-shirts and are hanging around at the booth in some ways are Relating to the booth and our part of the booth at least I see it that way and I really like it that We do not form a difference between the people who are visiting us and Ourselves they are part of us and I think this is a message and it's an important message for us to make So I I hate this only uniform thing. Okay badges are good. Yeah Something like okay This one is officially part of the booth. Okay, but it should it should not be too. It should be very unobtrusive, okay, so Sorry Thomas, please I Think what we want to manage is that people that have question and come to a booth get easily in touch with us and We can use the name tags I'm also fine with that but the most important thing is that the people that are working at the booth are going to the people Just that are just coming along the booth and asking them. Oh, do you have any question at it? That's so I also think a uniform like t-shirt is not important It's more important that we go to the people and ask them Do you have any questions and in the past we had some very bad? Experiences that the people at the booths are only sitting in front of the notebook with their back to the People that maybe have question and this is much more important to change those things There are also cultural effects in Brazil some things are different but there are two things one is that maybe just some name tag or a peeing or Maybe it's something that you can put in your wrist or just to identify that you are working in the booth is important Because sometimes at least in Brazil we do have to answer For as the people working in the booth, I mean the somebody wants to talk Somebody people doesn't understand that and then they'd want to talk with somebody that I mean not only the ones that know Us but there's also the ones that doesn't know us then they want to talk with an employee of that And it takes some time to then explain that we are just volunteers So it is really important at some point to say those are the people responsible They can explain to you that these are just donations and how it works with the Merchandise material this one thing that is very important So if the t-shirts are too much maybe just in these Identifications the name tags a peeing a boot on a bottom or something like that would work the same and The other things that as cultural if we walk into people in Brazil that doesn't work We really have to wait and if you walk them you you really piss them off if you try to ask questions to them And one of the booths that is very very. I don't know if you've been to that confor in Brazil at Fisley It was is the largest event in Brazil. We have something like 8,000 people. It's more or less like Fosn And our booth tends to be the most crowded one because it don't chase people So they they came so there are also those cultural things that are important to consider Okay before going on I have to stress the fact that these are not Rules these are guidelines So we provide you with the box we debian provide you with the box You don't want to wear a t-shirt don't wear a t-shirt. We don't care as as far as you do Sort of work for debian. You do you are fine to do whatever you want But then we should not complain if people don't recognize us or if not the booth organizer is called when there's a problem So that's really the the fact we need to sort of know we who are the people organizer because they are Responsible for the stuff that are there. So if something goes wrong at the Kennedy Selenic saga the organizer was young So that's the point and there's no way to spot There was no way to spot a young out of the 15 people that where are the booths and that were hanging around Helping people answering questions or whatever. So that's the real problem that the problem is that we need to know Who is there and who is in a charge sort of at least from? Organizing point of view. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely agree with that So let's let's just provide the material and now of course we I mean we're not paying anyone to stay at the No, no, I'm here so free to wear whatever they want But at the same time if there are some booths where people want to wear a badge or a t-shirt Why not? I mean, it's they're free to do that. So I think that's fine I was very interesting the point of not having all the people You know stay in front of the booth and blocking the access to non debian people. That's very interesting I think part of the problem is that when we meet at event we would like to you know to stay with other young people so in part is just normal So I think it is avoidable where we have other places to stay and a bit less so when we don't so like when we're really packed That's might be a problem But still it reminded me that this kind of stuff is very useful to know but we need to write it down somewhere Otherwise, we will keep year after year to know. Oh, we should not stay in front of I mean it It's a comment I'm coming out. It's a comment. I think I've heard it looks type 2004 that we should not stay in front of the Booth, but we still do that. So it was wondering if you were planning to, you know Write down some sort of guidelines. So if you want to be at the booth and you've never been there, please maybe they already exist This is already written down somewhere. There are I'm aware that there are some quite events page everything is on the event page There's a link to organizing our boots and this is why I need I wrote we need to refactor that pages Okay, so just before going on with the discussion Because we still have only five minutes. Sorry. So About the merchandise We we will probably need to send another box Which so the debian events box will not contain any merchandise probably or we contain very few merchandise like Keychains that everyone wants or pins or whatever, but for example for everything which is bigger like T-shirt we need we need absolutely another box because sending the debian box I mean sending a box of this size cost quite a lot It is around the one on one hundred euros. Just one way. So this is the problem We need we have debian official DVDs starting from March if I call currently Linux user from Germany I'll bet that's printing debian DVDs t-shirt. We which we are giving away Our as donation as we started at Caminets a Linux title of maybe even a chemnitzer. They are quite nice They are eco disc. So they are in a short way Economy friendly with the environment. They are DVDs. They have They'll squeeze logos and they're really nice and they care flexible. So just you know that these are working DVDs Don't be scared. They are thick thinner, but they are working DVDs So I tested them this we can put some of them in the box But we clearly cannot put them a lot. So for the For the merchandise stuff will probably need something else and if again if people don't want to sell merchandise They don't ask for the merchandise. It's it's quite easy. The box is there is a minimal setup for a booth It's not what I want to do at the booth is not what all the other people want to do at the booth It's what you need to have to organize a booth because if you if you don't want to travel with the three monitors to computers Five cables and all the other stuff you just got the box the box says is a trolley quite a big trolley, but is a trolley so it's easier to carry and It can be even be sent directly to the booth. I mean, it's it will be locked It will be everything inside included So you don't want to use that you don't ask for it or you just are for once for something in the box and then Clearly the other problem is what we want to put on the demo box Which is the only demo machine actually not the box But we want to have a Debian events box package Which means that you install your package on your laptop You start Debian events box or Debian or something like that set up and you end up with the virtual machine with bubble box some presentation open office for example at the Kermit say we had Alexander presentation in a different two languages if I call correctly English and German Which was actually a loop if I call correctly And then we have X penguins all over the screen and people were just stopping seeing X penguins And they were quite happy so they said oh, what's that? Oh look there's a presentation looks there's bubble box in my language. So this is quite appealing and We need a local mirror on the machine So even if we don't have network connectivity, we can show something we can show. Oh, there's some guy arrived I want to do some music Music management or look there's written box or there's any other package I will show you we install it whatever and we also need to provide a small guy Gui poor to Gui GUI whatever to burn the CD DVD Blu-ray images, okay, or Directed to an USB stick with a USB stick or On a CD so if someone arrived with a CD or someone will write with USB key So the user goes away from the left leave the box the Debian was quite happy because they have something to try at one Then these are the random Ideas for improvements. So if there is a way to automatically the setting up of the Babel box Lars and the recent today's discussion actually on the Debian develop mailing list about providing Official virtual machine is a quite helpful with us because we'll ever just we just need to download the virtual machine and install Babel box, which is even easier and then if you there's a name or to enter the different languages in the presentation So we need help to with someone from someone who can with quite an open office or LibreOffice guru We need to help to set up different stuff at automated that so the configuration of the Demo machine should be automated as much as possible You choose two or three different languages because for example in Switzerland There are three different languages or you choose one single language and we don't single common We end up with a machine that works otherwise is up to the Organizer to do the work and we all know ourself setting up something all the time is not is not an epic Stuff is boring is completely boring. So and if you have Sorry, if you have any other ideas, just put them on the wiki So or send an email to the Debian publicity mailing list Well Joe on IRC had just another idea to have some kind of virtual appliance to just impart it in Virtual box if you use non-debian supplied hardware on the Debian booth, but I think I'm just telling him to add it to the wiki Thank you So I think we are running out of time One minutes so one question Does anyone has an idea how to involve more people in event organizing? because I've spent Five of my holiday of my vacation days being at sea but I Was really tired after that and I would not like to do it again Well It doesn't to me The problem doesn't pose itself at least in Southwest Germany and up to Frankfurt. It doesn't seem to them. It doesn't there doesn't seem to be a shortage Yes, I think that's a specific case because so the Germany is very active in doing Debian related stuff So I'm very happy about that, but it's not surprising. So one of the answer I think it's trying to that I be on should have some infrastructure to encourage the creation of local user groups because that's doing an event is something Which not require necessarily very deep technical knowledge So even user who might want to start becoming involved in that and that's something they could do But I think that nowadays we are not particularly good at telling we need you to do that So right now we take that as a challenge on we I'm not necessary developer, but people were quite involved in Debian So that I think could be an answer which is I think a broader problem in Debian And also I don't know if in the how to get involved page on the Debian website We do have something which says you can help Debian in this way. Maybe there is I am not At no stock we had some some visitors that were a little bit more interested And so we just invited them to join us next year to have and I think at least one or two of them will be as the most next year No, I think you just have have to invite the people to help you because they're a little bit shy at the beginning because I Wouldn't know You look like you actually know what you're doing, but if you go do it for the first time I had no idea So if I had been invited, I would probably have started earlier. Okay, I'm sorry We are run out of time one last remark use the events at Debian.org address as much as you can We are got you already receiving so much spam that it doesn't matter if we receive one or two maize more Exactly would be it would be a pleasure to be in that alias You