 to order add and that's an hour off yeah eight minutes after four or an hour off eight minutes after five and I will adjourn our organizational meeting and the first item on the organizational checklist his appointment of select board chair and consideration of chairs voting status is their emotion I'll nominate Peter hood chair thank you any other nominations necessary no it's not vote if necessary vote I don't just break ties I vote okay that may we shouldn't have any ties is there a second all second okay it's been moved and seconded for Peter hood to be chairman all those in favor please say aye any opposed okay thank you very much and included in that motion would be that I would have voting status and appointment of a vice chair is their nomination okay second okay any other nominations okay all those in favor of Liz please say aye aye any opposed congratulations time and place for select board meetings so the reason we changed was because of our now retired select board member correct yes so do we want to consider going back what did they used to be they used to be the first and the third right or did we change the first and third I guess I don't have a preference first and third are there advantages to folks in the finance office or anybody does it make any difference to you guys at all does it line up better with payrolls or any of that not really not this payroll or sometimes they're in some times they're not because of the right so I would say that I don't have a preference I don't I don't have a preference well someone make a motion make a motion what is it now let's first and third first and third of five o'clock at the small yeah make the motion I think I did I seconded it all in favor aye any opposed okay time and place we did paper of record once again I don't really think we have any choice okay is there a second I second that all in favor aye any oppose appointment of road commissioner I'll nominate big to higher okay there are any other nominations Eric oh he wants to do that I don't know he's not here no I just think that you know it might be time to have him do it do the whole thing okay we've certainly we've certainly been that way in the past you know in a way it's not like we're going to lose Victor's expertise because he's still going to be on the select board anyway so I I personally think a separation of the road commissioner and a select board member or not a bad thing I don't disagree I mean I'll do it but I just wanted to bring that up so in the past we had Steve who was the road commissioner and a select board member right that was a long time he was that and when was it that it wasn't like was it I would agree that I kind of like having a second set of eyes on things and I guess the question is would you prefer not to do it be honest I mean if he's throwing up a candidate that's telling so I said if you if he's throwing up a separate candidate to me that's telling saying you'd rather not except I have had several conversations through this whole road crew transition where we talked about ideally having the road commissioner in the road form in the same sort of works yeah doesn't provide two people but we're gonna have two people anyway cuz he's gonna be on the select board correct it just shortens up the chain of command if anything yeah I I think for me having a separation between both the road commissioner and the select board isn't a bad thing because one you come in with a set of votes pretty pretty much already guaranteed but I also believe in having a separation between the road foreman and the road commissioner as well having a second set of eyes on things so you know it's kind of a catch either way with the parties that are involved without having an external candidate outside of Victor or Eric well we have we have two nominations so we're gonna vote okay well so you got a second you got a second okay so you either got a second both of them or second one of them and then you can only second both of them okay second both so in no particular order all those in favor of Victor to be a road commissioner say hi hi hi no offense Randy all those in favor of Randy to be road commissioner not really Eric Eric Jesus I'm sorry I'll I'll say I I guess we could also say I if we wanted none what happens that wins three against two who swap I think no no no you don't get to vote again they're two candidates you get to vote for one candidate I think you've already done it right so okay you two voted so but only two got the vote so there's no vote no three voted one two no but two voted but three we need four votes you don't have right you don't have enough to you don't have a quorum with Victor abstaining from right there's no reason for him to abstain he can vote for himself I just didn't I didn't hear him vote so so did you know yeah yeah so the vote is three to one okay so Victor is now so big is it congratulations okay so here comes the long list and of course do I have Sarah's email I well I have Sarah's email that I have about some people I've got a printed copy okay okay but I only have the reappointments for let's do the let's do the reappointments first did she she sent out an email talking about all these different she did recording in progress you guys didn't tell me oh well sorry that's okay you need a copy of it well I wouldn't make it easier yes thank you oh I feel nervous blah blah blah okay town lister she suggests we pass over because no one has stepped forward so I'm gonna agree we're gonna pass over the lister development review the only one up for reappointment is Barry Rooney and he has said yes so is there a motion to reappoint Larry Rooney I make the motion we point Larry Rooney is there a second I'll second it okay all in favor of Larry Rooney Larry Rooney to serve on the development review board say hi hi hi post congratulations Larry okay budget committee since no one votes don't have to do Mitch and yeah that's coming up oh it's coming up okay sorry I would make a motion to pick go ahead George long necker and zero Vincent as they have expressed interest to fill until the next town meeting okay okay all in favor of Zara Vincent and George long necker to be members of the budget committee please say aye aye any opposed okay emergency management Polo Tenty has agreed to serve is there a motion I don't know that we oh did we have to I think she was just filling in until oh you have to do it every year so you need a motion for Polo Tenty to be the emergency management yeah so I just made that motion you did yeah all those in favor hey Liz you're little anxious Liz is anxious about driving in my truck he was going so fast around the corners okay just what I need is a backseat driver at the left side of the road on a blind corner he's like I've got a plow a certain ethics involved in driving a plow truck go right down the middle of the road okay fire warden just reappoint don't ask so I did talk with Jason he said he'd be happy to thank you yep okay so you will I would nominate Jason okay is there a second yeah okay all those in favor of Jason Merrill to be our fire warden please say hi hi any opposed okay Jason thank you congratulations tree warden Gary Lamel today said why not I'll nominate Gary my old friend Gary all second Gary for the reward okay very important job all those in favor of Gary Lamel to be our tree warden please say hi hi any opposed congratulations Gary could we take a break for a second we have an emergency here yeah we certainly can just a second I got a text so Dorenda you almost got elected to look collector delinquent taxes oh no I almost got not worried about no no no you still have to accept it no I know I'm just teasing you okay yeah but I'm wondering when she wants me to reappoint the conservation Commission which is on here and is that considered a following town position of conservation or is this it's a conservation Commission under like one of these things that might be under I have to add doesn't the conservation Commission come up like April 1st or something oh she told you had to do it there's a tree and a car off the road so nobody can get through Notch Road Paul Sermonera told us and he said he would cut the tree but he's in stone the bucket water so I just talked to Derek she's on this weather see I'm telling you I'm hoping Bridget is okay she's not the kind of person who just doesn't show up but she doesn't have her numbers either right but she didn't even try to call the town hall and I didn't get an email from her I mean I've been emailing her back and forth I know it's just weird that's why I think that so the kind of person who would contact us I don't have her number I mean she could be in a place where there's no service that's been a lot of places in town there's two thirds of our beloved town but Eric has I don't know what he has for a phone I don't know what he has for phone service but you can get him most of the time very seldom he has a beeper okay so speaking of Eric just while we're off topic here for a minute Ken Coons called me today and reminded me that we have to appoint Eric as chief of the fire department says there's now the town fire department today yeah okay I said his timing was excellent we should do that right now sure let's do it right now I move that we nominate Eric Matevier as to be chief of our town fire department and I'll second that okay all in favor I any opposed congratulations Eric he's he said he wouldn't be here tonight okay I think I think it's gonna say so what is it that you need to do Liz I said I need to reappoint Larry becker I'd like to move that we reappoint Larry becker and John Udiss to the conservation Commission I'll second that okay they were on it before yes they want to be reappointed yes Larry becker and John Udiss oh John Udiss okay for the conservation Commission I talked to John moved and seconded all those in favor aye aye any opposed okay we're back you seconded that right yeah right Phil Beach management representative George lionecker has agreed to serve it's their motion to appoint George move though we appoint George long knuckered to the rights Phil Beach authority is there a second Randy thank you all those in favor of appointing George to the rights Phil Beach board I guess it is say hi hi any opposed I've asked Mitch if he wants to continue waiting back to here I would suggest we just a point I'll appoint Mitch to be the recreation director for middle sex I'll second it okay all in favor of appointing Mitch to be our recreation director please say aye aye any opposed Mitch is in E911 coordinator C above Dorenda you put that in shorthand recreation director because I didn't Mitch do that last year the E911 coordinator didn't he do that because he was dealing with at one time he was doing it because of it tied in with the zoning so had we passed it on to I just remember Mitch dealing with the signs so that's why I was questioning that but signs for the concept for the driveways and all that kind of stuff he had to coordinate with them to make sure that's right right or whatever he's also the son yes Mitch is it let's reappoint him for now yep all right we reappointed to Mitch a second to be that E911 coordinator so second that so didn't we change to be our zoning person no no we did when Mitch when yes it did at one time but then when Kevin took over its zoning state on I think okay so it's been moved in seconded for did you do the second thick I did Mitch to be E911 coordinator all in favor hi any opposed he said he was happy to let someone else did in this email collector of delinquent taxes so we've had no collector of delinquent taxes for a while now right no we have not how much does it get paid so the good old days of butch hi this is Liz I was just wondering if you could pay your taxes ferocious Liz I don't know you don't do you do who does it now so by statue it falls to the treasure let's pass over it for now and see if we can find someone how about that that's what we did last yeah let's do it but it doesn't pay anything right so that's why it does it's an hourly right yeah I like the old days when would you get a percent of which Alexander yeah you get pretty good percentage of there yeah like you get the money and you get a cut of it yeah and he was a consultant and he was a consultant that's what you call that's what you call the incentive program he would go knocking on people's doors telling them you better get now setting out those little red slips okay what's next okay so CV5 report is David Lawrence has agreed to serve is there a motion for David I'll move I'll second it okay all in favor of David Lawrence for the CV5 report can I just ask a question yes yes is this the position where we were having a hard time with getting anybody to actually participate in the meetings I think he was the one who was not participating and there was somebody that was acting as an assistant or something like that that had offered to attend those misleading or they were an alternate I think is what it was I think that's right I think that's right do we know who that person is no I feel like I just talked about it at pie breakfast with someone it wasn't Nancy Riley's husband I don't remember I would like to look that up and maybe pass this over for tonight and look up the alternate that's fine yep because we need somebody who's gonna attend those meetings I mean somehow that whole business where we contributed that chunk of money and we expected to be on the first list and the minute we gave him the money we got moved down the ladder so we have a first and a second on that is that and now we want we need to withdraw the first and second so I was drawing my second withdraw and pass over yeah are you okay with what withdrawing Liz okay yeah I think that's a good idea Randy thank you waiting to hear back from Dell well I guess we wait to hear back from Dell pass over yeah that's a Dell running for CV solid waste management and we're waiting to hear back from our Ron Krauth on central Vermont regional planning Commission so I would say we could we could make the motion I bet yes if he says I don't want it then we got to find somebody else make that motion sure okay ready makes the motion okay all those in favor of Ron Krauth to be middle sex representative to the central Vermont regional planning Commission please say aye aye any opposed you'll abstain oh okay not really into this voting tonight I know well I'm looking for the emails from Sarah oh you want you want her email I got it right here no it's the other oh it's another one I probably have that one too it's just that I have like three inboxes okay so we got it I think so I found the email box was that on our you know the problem is is that Sarah does not send the agendas to my work to this email she sends it to my home email oh she said can I ask for a clarification on Larry Becker and John you just what did you appoint him to that was the conservation or the conservation commission it is the conservation okay I wasn't sure okay so we are you want the one right here you want this I've got it I mean the town was through the developer review board budget committee they did that one now okay approval of the minute yeah we're done no we're on number 11 review discuss oh right okay so that's where she sent us this model so I'd like to pass that over because I haven't had a chance to look at it and as far as I'm concerned we do generally farming she says we don't follow Roberts rules of order but I think in general we do to the best of my knowledge but I haven't read Roberts and I haven't read the other one yes do we want to how can I back up you may do whatever you wish I like to be polite do you want to fire warden we didn't do Jason yes we did yeah we did we did yeah I'm sorry I didn't hear it I do apologize for them no problem that's the biggest problem you have tonight Victor it's gonna be a good night I didn't hear it and I had my ears cleaned you might have been on the phone okay so I just okay on a related but unrelated topic I just I promised my wife if she got hearing aids I'd get tested guess what I tested worse than her my god no I'm in trouble my my hearing looks like this 80% 80% 80% boom right off the cliff that's terrible so I guess I'm getting hearing it yeah she now hears like an eagle it's scary what she hears I used to be able to hide there's no hiding anymore so are we in agreement that we're gonna pass over the Roberts rules thing okay the modified rules yes but I agree it's important it is especially with an ear so we need to approve the February 21 and February 28th what oh the February 21 select board in the February 28th informational meeting minutes action likely and I think we were all at both of those correct I was here yeah okay second that okay thank you all in favor of approving the minutes for the February 21 select board meeting and the February 28th informational meeting please say aye aye any opposed review and possible amending the agenda for the March 14 special select board meeting oh that was just that VIA is not gonna come to that meeting I think what does that say reviewing and possibly many the agenda for March 14th special select board meeting now March 14th is next week yes correct and that was the day that what March 14th is today oh you made it hi hey welcome yes no everything's fine I was on the in the waiting room for zoom there's nobody oh the internet's down unfortunately probably why sorry about that okay yeah that's okay we're just been marching down our list of reappointments so you haven't missed that's funny welcome hey gang yes welcome so sorry are you familiar do you know that you know the rest of us we haven't met but I've been watching everybody in your audience welcome we're excited we're excited to have you here and Darinda yeah we're not town meeting Dan yep good so we are we just finished appointing all the people sure this is our meeting where we appoint people so it's been fairly boring yeah but we did skip over this section of the Robert's rules well the modified Robert's rules we want to we want to have a chance to really read through none of us have oh and pass it over for another meeting okay and then we just approved the minutes and now where are we at the next so there was no March 14th agenda for the that's today's meeting today's the 14th yeah so I don't know why that would be there I don't understand that this is the special meeting the next week's meeting okay so maybe that's just some weird so well was it was VA was supposed to come on the 21st which is next week right that we're not gonna have them come to okay so I'll change this to the revise this to say the 21st and put the VA not coming yeah and so make it the 21st and cross out special that's what I'm doing yeah okay but I'm not sure that that's really what she's implying because I'm sure she knows that much about it reviewing and amending this agenda make sense yeah that makes no sense through doesn't make sense and we don't need do we have an agenda for next meeting she did two agendas before she left okay so let's see says 314 agenda I wonder if she's also confused yeah because she no that's she said I'll do I did both agendas and but I only saw the one maybe the second I did not get the second one let me just see yeah no I'm looking at the email right now Liz and there's nothing yeah there's nothing right well I wonder if she has it like saved somewhere do you know yeah I'll look files during the probably on the computer we'll check it out okay okay so this this next thing is Sandy Fitzhume who called me the other day and the 4k this is that's different and what's this applying for a community capacity building mini-grant of $4,000 yeah that's Sandy no she was looking for the support of this code compliance and enforcement right that's this at 630 weeks we're still up here considering applying for community capacity building mini-grant that's not Sandy right that Sandy's down here right but this I don't understand what this is okay this is related to what Randy and I have been talking about this is this $500,000 opportunity to apply for up to $500,000 to do energy upgrades on municipal buildings before they don't even have that grant released yet but before we can apply for that we have to apply and get this community capacity building mini grant of $4,000 and so okay it says funds may be used to hire a consultant to identify candidate municipally owned buildings in need of energy efficiency improvements and provide grant application assistance for free energy resilience assessments it's somebody to help us through the process to get into the line for the client yes the next grant yeah yeah so it's something that we have to do what there's there's no action tonight we're just telling you about this okay and and that there there could be so actually was Lowry and the Energy Committee of a Sam Lash from Central and Regional Planning Commission who came to the energy meeting and told him that in order for us to access at $500,000 you do need to do this first to get in line like Randy said but they could also we could also use some of those funds if we wanted like if the middle sex energy committee wanted you know to include some sort of like you know energy awareness day or something for $500 we could include that in this grant so it's not just about doing the energy audit of the building it has other opportunities as well the and the reason I'm saying that is because this you know right now we have VIA going through the building and part of what we were going to do with VIA was also energy sort of energy stuff right which I think this is pretty basic this is like having someone come in and like you know kind of do like a little assessment so Eric when I had talked with Eric about it they were in the process of receiving proposals from folks like CX associates and more professional firms that that's exactly what they do was energy assessments on all these types of business businesses and that would be allowed under the larger grant but it would be a requirement to have some sort of energy assessment so I'm guessing that this is part of that getting into that queue I'm not familiar so much with this as I am with the conversation that I had with Eric but there it could be that there's moving targets there too right and so right and so like this is funds maybe used to hire a consultant to identify municipally owned buildings in need of energy right so like they could go to the I would be you all are go to the garage I go to the fire department right so this isn't like a professional coming in and doing an energy audit for $4,000 this is something else like walk throughs yes it's walkthroughs exactly so we need to do this first before and I don't and you know I don't even know if has anything to do like with VIA like do they even need to be involved in us doing this piece probably not so long and short is isn't it I mean so really the only reason we're doing that is so we can apply for the big money is yes yeah we should do it so oh and I this is what I was going to tell you the energy committee was going to help us apply for it they were going to do it can I add something we got in our emails today that the VLCT is putting on a free program on this on the 18th of April for of April okay so if you want I do want to definitely register for that did I get that email I don't know it came through I got it as a treasurer that's where they're talking I don't think that I I don't think I got it either it was here oh it is there so I got it as part of the town it's from info at the LCT yeah that was from today at 9 10 I mean I know I got that okay so guys you just said on this yeah I got it yeah yes that you can have somebody I think I believe I heard Liz say you can just for this building it could be for some other buildings that correct get any municipal building I really seriously think that some some of us should take a look at the town garage there's a on the door on the on the right left-hand door as you're facing the back there's a gap that wide the whole length of that door I mean you could actually put your you know you could stick a woodchuck to it well here's the beauty of this 500,000 I don't think we could spend 500,000 on this town hall for the specific work that has to be done but you could probably have a whole list of things that you apply for to have done so you can include like the town shed in that 500,000 for weatherization like they're not gonna I don't think they're gonna pay for like windows right I don't think that's what this might you might be surprised and anything energy efficiency related is what I was told so there's some component of that good thing is we don't have windows well whatever like windows in the doors small yeah but here's the reality this is going to be a big project right and we are like full-time workers and so I'm not sure like how we're gonna I mean maybe Sandy will have the capacity to help and some retired people will have the capacity to help but this is not like something that you know oh I'll just spend an hour and work on this right like this is a big deal although they've said they've they don't want to make the grants really cumbersome regional Planning Commission is there to help with right but I'm just saying it's going to take hours regardless of volunteer work and real work to get this done is it deadline for it no it's it's not I mean I think it's a couple years we have to apply for it oh really that's not this 4,000 but the I think it has it you know there's a time frame of when you can use the money well but we're gonna learn if we have it yeah this is it's gonna be weatherization thermal efficiency supplementing or replacing fossil fuel heating systems with more efficient renewable or electric alternatives so that's what they're gonna it would cover so while you're looking for Liz is for us to say yes go for it I'm just telling you yeah yeah there's no motion needed I'm just there's no motion needed no not right now we're not possible that will apply for the grant that's fine we ought to have it in a minute something yeah sure I'll move that we put that we apply for that $4,000 grant okay is there a second here's your chance okay name in the minutes for the Merck grant yes we do opportunities don't you actually and can we add to that that we will get assistance from the energy committee to on this grant application okay on this one yes yeah on this one all in favor of that motion hi hi any opposed unanimous thank you I just put it on my count highway report if the two of us are going to tend if anybody else is gonna they may want to let's just talk about it okay yeah yes we got our truck back last Thursday the Kenworth and the one with the rate hole on the radiator finally on Thursday we went down Tuesday to get it you told me the story great they called and it was the wrong truck so they went all the way down there only to find that the truck wasn't ready Eric was telling me about it at that town at the voting booth here well the second trip was better because at least we had to get cutting edges down at the well what's your name the other people that put the plow on in South Brompton other thing is Eric's taken off for a week April 9th good friend that's up there no big snowstorms that way we're gonna appoint and ask Randy to be the acting road foreman over the local road crew this Randy yeah he's being sarcastic okay he's turning red yeah it makes me a little bit nervous you it makes me a little bit nervous you know because that's gonna be mud time big time where's he where's he going Florida it's when he asked when he asked I remember when he was hired it's just been pushed back yeah but that's probably something you could help with right we the snow was not gonna help our mud season either now we're supposed to have another one on the 24th what a snowstorm big just like this one on the 24th Roger Hill said yeah how does he know 10 days out Roger knows Roger knows okay it's nothing you know well I'm sure they will want to anything else of import any update on our chipper we know what the static I mean is that is a brick do we know for sure it's a dead duck I mean really pretty much and how do we know I mean metal in the oil clanking noises when you try and start it yeah Eric was taking it up to the I can't think of the guy's name just up the road Louis no the guy next to him that's got the garage yeah yeah hey no not a the guy next to him oh the guy next to 300 automotive place is that yes how many hours yes how many hours do you think that you guys need initially between where you are now and fixing this one or get replacing it because I have I don't we'd have to check with my insurance company but I have one with a 15 inch that is owned by one of our companies that we could rent to you well that might be a good option might be a good option I mean we've got with these storms we have branches down and stuff down all over all over town yep make a note of that in the minute starting to so we don't lose track of that but that's and did you get the copy of did anybody get the maybe Derrinda did did Eric send you the copy of the the proposal for paving the shady real I haven't seen it I haven't seen it we'll get that to you it's around 300,000 so that's a that's a bad that's a that's sections really bad now so I was gonna say that went up from the original quote that we got right quite a bit didn't we get something a while back no I was actually cheaper than than what because I thought we had enough money left from the last paving project that I don't have it off the top but I just ask an evil question why don't we turn that section of road back into dirt I can if you want I mean why I don't understand why that section of road I understand why the road got paved up to the school I get it but that that section from the from the corner up why isn't that like every other class we rode in town and why are we spending hundreds of thousands of dollars that it would happen you want to just go do it on our own I don't I just I'm just there's no reason really if that's what you want I mean just because it's just because it's paved now does that mean it doesn't mean we have to always keep it paved did it get paved just because we had a grant at one point in time that's the only time we've ever done paving but I think I think the plump and this is a long time ago but the plan was eventually to pave up over and through so you know there was a paved through way through town and that was just one section of it and it never got beyond that but obviously the sub base in that thing has gotten worse than well it's bad it's bad now and the other thing I'm concerned about is if all we do is peel up the pavement and put down a another level of pavement this bit does call for reclaiming down 14 inches okay but I don't know as your problem is between zero and 14 inches it's more like between zero and four feet yeah there you go would you say it came in at three something 295 295 Larry says because he was trying to get onto the it's nobody showing no he's saying that the message is waiting for hosts to start yeah I don't know it's fine he wants to call in about he wants to hear what this last agenda item is but I told him to call in when you get to it okay um I don't know Victor I don't know I don't either it does it does not make it sense to me and that little section of paved road connected to Tara Street and East Hill Road doesn't make any sense either we are looking at trying to get some get that in we did I think he did look at that yeah when I say it's the guy's name is Joe Montaigne and he works for Pike Industries and he did look at Eric went over with him okay but we don't have pricing on that at this point no what sec this was that's the Tara Street section that little that I call it no man's land that little over by Pember Heights there yeah yeah okay here we go we reclaim and fine grade shady will road five five thousand two hundred ninety feet machine paved two and a half inch bindered inch and a half wearing course so that's what was up here yeah basically reconstruct it's a little scary how 296 this road has gotten over the whole how much 296 $515 I can forward that to you I think from my phone my phone doesn't like to do that aren't you just treasure this was my computer I'll send it to when I get home yeah no problem I just if you want me to just keep track of it you know just put it in the file what is your I can say it's treasure at middle sex Vermont dialogue there's no no dot no just treasure yeah not that way we can compare how much money's in the paving budget because that's scheduled for this year well yeah 2024 budget right correct this calendar year anything else Victor the award for that grant that's we have a lot of information to Shane put together that yeah so that's what I was saying between I I have that and the money's because I think we had it covered a hundred percent when I'm out that we I don't have I I've got it at home but you'll set back I am I think I can't remember anything else okay well if you think about we're still here Dorenda treasures report nothing I gave you the budget this is as of the end of February so it doesn't include any orders that we've done from March so sorry anything a particular concern no I mean it's the usual just the usual stuff I can't remember and maybe Vic remembers the specialized services what did we put into that category I can look but I just didn't know because that one's over we budgeted 20 and it's at 31,000 so I was trying to think what went into that category yeah okay that was the only thing when I saw this it popped out at May really was how we got but I think we we did knowingly put something in there and I can't remember what it was how much money was it originally 30 we budgeted for 20 and we put 30 almost 31,000 in this year this fiscal year yeah we did put in 30 we spent 31,000 was oh it was something I can't remember why specialized services was that the salt or John Ray I think it was I think it was told her even a blind screw like that wasn't on the agenda I think it's the maybe that was it so it would be likely that we'd consider it next week okay well that wasn't that much money was it though I don't know I this year and 30 next year no no no no what we've spent is 31,000 in that category because the savings for that salt shed was 14 or 15 and then we authorized Eric to spend another three or so on concrete okay so how much was it 31 how much did we spend 31 we spent 31,000 I don't know I'll look at I can get the detail on it that was the only thing that really popped out that was that wasn't our covert stuff I don't remember oh yeah your freight liner the trend the transfer case has gone in it's making a lot of noise transfer case is $18,000 there's no warranty so we pulled the we pulled the shaft and stuff in a two-wheel drive now with isn't just isn't just a bad chain or something that can be but the transfer case yeah readily replaced sounded like it might be like a carrier bearing or something like that based on what I talked with Eric about what do you have any luck finding a bearing to replace that so we're gonna one thing slow down we'll take the transfer case out and rebuild it there you go now you're talking yeah do you see our repairs like it's only like ten grand so far this we've had a lot of success doing that in the past is all I would say and if we can find a used motor to put in that chipper that would be a win newer like new chippers are very expensive yeah and the problem is we don't use it that much but when we need it we need it so it comes down to it's like the roadside mowing did we buy a big tractor to do a roadside mowing or do we rent it when we use it you don't have to have a trailer like a 20 ton trailer the yeah I think we I think we spent close to 60 on it yeah yep yep it isn't like we're out there cutting trees every week or even every month you know but when we need it we need it definitely get a slug of work you know in the springtime when you got to clean stuff up or through the oh no that's right I'm time like this where there's trees that are just falling over everywhere I mean you drive around town before this last snow when you could see all the trees and branches that are down from the winter time I appreciate my beloved neighbor who has these big popple trees they fall over in the road but the the top of the popple tree falls on my land and the road crew conveniently chops it off and pushes it even God bless her it's easier that's who gets it yeah no I understand I know the rules anything else surrender not for treasure okay so so so so so I think we're getting there so other business we have this correspondence from Santa Fitzhugham requesting select board endorsement for application for a federal Department of Energy grant to develop better administration of Vermont energy codes I I talked to her about that and I also spoke to John Ray Hill today was nice enough to drive me down to Hanover for my treatment John generally thinks it's a good idea he wants to look at it look at it some more I mean right now as you know the scenario is we have a statewide building code but there's virtually no enforcement I mean we have no enforcement in middle sex we have our energy committee who tries to cajole people to pay attention but you know but that said you know as with all these things the camels knows under the tent right once you create this monster it's going to be another state gigantic state agency bureaucracy you know who knows what so before we say oh sure put our name on it I want to think about it some more and I want to read some more about it she sent me a very probably the same email Sarah got that basically a very short email yeah he was going to try and zoom in tonight but of course guess what nobody's popping up so there's a problem someplace yeah well my internet went down about 330 anyway so that so what they're saying though is that this would be through Kevin Thompson he would be monitoring that for us no I don't think so this would be this would be a state agency doing it I've only government more government yeah only gotten through a little probably half of the proposal that they put together and and they're trying to essentially establish positions at the state that are going to enforce code compliance in the energy in the energy world and they're not even talking about in the in the regular building this is just the energy part of energy alone and you know that raises some concerns for me I mean I mean I'm an energy guy you know I live in that world but you know at the end of the day I have had some folks reach out to me and asked to talk with me about it and I haven't had a chance to finish reading so I would support passing over for tonight yep yep any other matter that may come before the board are you guys going to do goals this year that wasn't on the list I'm surprised no no no no she goals are goals are for our next meeting since we do always do such a good job on our goals yeah our treasurer last facetiously I have something that I don't know if the board wants to talk about as a whole or sure what but it is some reviewing you know time sheets and the way that we're approving and entering time and paying for time in here it's my understanding that personal time offer paid time off would be allowed to be used up to that 40-hour threshold and we're not essentially buying out paid time off I don't think we've ever bought up paid time off is that what they're doing it got in essence not as directly as that but like in this week's or this this cycles time sheets you know we've got folks that are putting in for 47 hours with none of it being overtime hours and some of it being personal and sick time so like for example but then getting paid overtime no they're not getting paid overtime I like buying out their extra personal and sick time in my mind gets them to cover their covered 40 hour work week and not extending beyond that 40 hours like if you if you if you've worked 40 hours you don't need to take personal time above and beyond that or sick time above and beyond that but what's happening for them is that they are because they might have like you know taken a personal day on half of a Monday and then worked late on Friday and then that day that time is overtime and that well no it's not because it's gonna be 40 hours right so even though they're even though they're not getting overtime we work yes they weren't supposed to do they're not supposed to do it that my I don't see the time sheets until after the check is cut and you know and I think that there needs to be a clearer understanding of I mean and I'll have a conversation with Eric on it that he's clear on it and I'll have one with Cheryl on it Cheryl was aware and I don't know why but this was also just happened just with the newest person right this was this has never happened there yeah so I don't think this was no we've addressed we've addressed the issue else other times other times but not since Eric's been on that seems like it's fallen fallen off on the existing employees with the new employees I think they're right they're putting the time in and Eric's looking at it and improving it and right then it's making it to payroll and because Eric's approved it then she's just approving and paying it so anyway I just wanted to bring that up and suggest that we have a follow-up conversation with both Cheryl and Eric so exactly what Durinda had just said yep yep so while we're on that subject I have a question so our payroll system is tied in with our accounting system correct it's part of Nemerick right so there's no automated functionality to that it's a manual fill out the time card and somebody has to enter the yes so the time sheets have to be added up manually and then we enter that into the computer so what happens is each department had or the people they're supposed to submit the time sheet total and then Cheryl is supposed to do a check in balance and read add to make sure that you know that it was added up right and then it manually gets entered into the computer by Cheryl by Cheryl so is that the most effective way for us to handle payroll for whatever it is eight people there are all kinds of there would be a matter of having some kind of software that somebody would have to sign into and sign out of and and then you have which is probably a good time topic of discussion I mean you've got people like Sarah who really doesn't punch a clock but yet she turns in a time sheet so you know there's and then you have all your your zoning administrator are you going to set something up for them your Mitch all of those your listeners during I get I get all of that so you would have to have something some kind of software that everybody could sign into punch in daily punch out daily all I'm all I'm saying is there are programs out there that is very very simply and very effectively the employee goes online yeah feels out his time sheet supervisor approves it Zim Zambum does all the calculating does all the it still has to be entered in no I understand I understand but the but the nuts and bolts of putting it all together but so here's a good example that if the employee went and they were putting in all this stuff the software needs to be capable of kicking this out and kicking out this exception because if somebody put in for 47 hours and they shouldn't have gone over 40 hours that you know then you have the exception if they worked overtime it's the responsibility it's the responsibility of the supervisor to review the time cards I mean the time cards all it is is another made it way of generating of generating the time cards and having I'm just no it's out there the other thing Eric does is all of the highway crews is coded out so he also on his end keeps how much time the person spent grading how much time they spent working in the shop how much time they did certain activities automated programs all I'm saying is at some point in your travels in your treasurer's duties you here of a town that's using something like that I think it'd be worth looking at because it really is slick and everybody's suspicious of it when they start out but it really works really works and you're not generating these time sheets which Randy pours over I mean there are there are time sheets but they pop right up on the screen in the computer and we can all have access but I don't know just just an idea only typically those are expensive yeah I don't know what we pay now I mean obviously this is super cheap quick book printing off paper quick quick books I think it's like $300 a year or something like that per user you wanted to be no no no no for them right you don't want it to be like double duty well it's not I mean it really isn't that difficult you know it's I think I think it's just the process it's the process of just you know everybody understanding what counts and what doesn't count and no no I understand this this would not in any way solve that problem right I understand that I mean that's where it's the supervisors responsibility and you and Cheryl is the as the brain basically Cheryl but but you with the head of the pylon just making sure it's being done correctly right yeah all I'm saying is just just no we can we can certainly keep it out it's I mean we're not dealing with that many time sheets to be honest you've got four people on the road crew and you got Sarah's who's like carbon copy every week all the more I say with that all the more reason to make it simple if you can well I mean hers I don't even know why she turns in a time sheet if you want to you know that's where I'm going with this she's going to get paid her salary no matter what well I mean it makes no sense to me that she turns in how about that becomes a goal but but I think that's part of and that's what I'm you know and again I think you know one of your goals should be looking at certainly the whole personnel policy how things are done in this and that but but it was hers is done because of the list is it you put her 51 percent here and 49 percent here and yeah but all you have to do is say her salary is X this position and why for this position right well it doesn't bring up a complication though in my mind and it's probably maybe you guys have talked or thought about it before but let's we just went through town meeting she got she got elected for town clerk but she's a hired position as the select board assistant right are we then firing her as a select board assistant if somebody else gets selected as a as a town clerk unnecessarily for two separate positions so I just jumped into my head you know it's likely it's likely that she would resign a select board assistant if she was no longer time clerk I would say so theoretically and you have the same issue with Cheryl she's the assistant town clerk and she's also the bookkeeper they should be separated as two separate positions right but she codes them differently she does she codes them you know differently but okay we had enough fun this evening at some point we would you know you're talking about time and stuff what we were talking about earlier is the overtime yeah I think overtime should go to 8 and a half anything over 8 hours instead of over 40 because what people do is it's not budgeted we'd have to budget it but it creates an issue when especially in the summer you know because they're only working 40 hours it'll take more time off during the summer but they work 10 hour days in the summer so how do you handle that what 10 hour days that they work in the summer move them to a eight-hour work day five days a week I think and that's the other thing the other thing that's a 10 hour I mean I it's 10 hour thing you know I they don't agree with me but I firmly believe it should only be from you know Memorial Day to Labor Day the 10 hour day the 10 hour day four times yeah four times and if at all but are you asking are you suggesting I guess I don't understand are you suggesting that like let's say it's the middle of winter right and we get a snowstorm on a Tuesday and they were 12 hours on that day on the Friday you don't say okay you work 12 hours to keep it under 40 we're gonna give you four hours off on Friday you take the rest of Friday up and therefore you're in the 40 hour week I don't think of course I'm to do that it creates a lot of resentment right okay but my question is if you then if you're saying that somebody works 10 hours in one day and you're you are expecting them doesn't matter what that day the week is you're still expecting them to work eight hours every day then they'll automatically get over time for that two hours because you're telling them and or are you saying right now that's not how we do it now right now it's that oh you know why let's try to keep it at 40 because we don't really need you here Friday afternoon everything's done and you guys worked really hard and you need a break or are you saying I guess I don't understand why wouldn't you give them overtime well you could do it workplace I mean you could say that the work week is four days and it's four tens but if it's five days and you work more than eight then really from the employee standpoint that should be say they work over so over their eight hours over the course of those first four days then they're sick on Friday they should really get that eight hours their position is there they should really get that eight hours sick day they should get the eight hours sick day and they should you know if they if they work if they five eight five eight hour days so there's a there's a difference here between their request to work for ten hour they would have to be different a different setup when they do the four times yeah you have to be in agreement with the umbrella would be this is the way it's set up but if it is five days then because yeah isn't the law 40 it I believe it is that's that may be the there may be the standard that you have to meet but it doesn't mean that you can't be more generous than that and adopt a policy that stays outside of what that is to say well so if you're in my opinion over time after eight hours a day you're being more generous than if you just say at 40 hours a week you earn overtime we are we already you know factor in holiday time and things like that as work time and not just you know taking that off and saying it has to be work time to turn over time so you're you're being a little bit more generous there than the minimum standard I don't it's what I'm saying I'm not saying that we should decide that tonight or just if we could have a conversation when Eric's here sure I think it warrants a conversation makes the employees really happy on both sides right I misunderstood what he's saying we're gonna hear it again I have another chance I didn't realize he was talking about regular 10 hour days I thought he was talking about you happen I hours of today and I've said this publicly before I hate the 10 hour days I do you hate him I don't think that yeah I don't I don't think it's very good like please standpoint and our our agency does this for the folks that are out in the field working the construction side of the business is that that for 10 hour day is they truly feel like that is a benefit to them of course they do and the conversation but what are you doing me or them what are your crews yeah what's the crew what are those people doing crawling crawling through 150 degree addicts all summer long right when they stop driving back it's like putting plastic eyes and teddy bears when you stop and you can come back Monday and you can pick that teddy bear up and start over again it's nothing to change it what I'm saying is that in the summertime you you get four tens you know and they say well we'll swap them around but they don't it doesn't happen is you get so you get four tens and and then you get a good day or you get a holiday on Monday I mean so last last summer sometimes we were going five at least five days with nobody working nobody grading nobody doing anything because they are all they had that day off and or there was a holiday or they took you so I think that's a management issue I think I don't think that's a policy I think that's a management I think that's a management issue because at the end of the day you're responsible for for cycling through and approving vacation time and personal time not to make sure that if you're a production oriented outfit you need to me understand the production I don't understand that because if you working for 10 hours and it comes on Friday and Mondays all the day you get four days off sure but if you approve me to take the two days prior to that off and you approve everybody else to take that to those two days off then production stops for that crew all together in response to that it's like I don't know what are exactly what our policy is on time off I mean you can't carry only so much time I've got to take a day off or I'm gonna lose it not even close to they it's a very generous it's like 270 hours you can carry over or something to that effect so I thought that number how we had these like crazy summers rain yeah I thought you guys had sort of you know worked around and said listen guys we know that the forecast calls for rain on Wednesday Thursday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday could some of you work on Friday instead of having it off right yeah and that happened right that makes you feel good that makes a selection it doesn't happen it didn't happen it's like okay the other thing is the other thing this is my opinion I'll probably get in trouble for it you work a 10-hour day a lot of times yes you're lucky if you get a well I yeah we have that option and I could not do a 10-hour day honestly it would be hard for me to do 10 hours of work straight nine I could probably do but 10 no so anyways these are all valid discussion for another day I think it warrants getting on the agenda at some point in time to make a specific conversation because this could take up a whole meeting this is a goal yeah yep I agree we're in this right at the same time we want to make no I mean I make taking minutes so it's gotta be a goal it's happy gotta be a goal and I I would say based on that comment as well I would say that we would strenuously ask if they attend so you can't force them to attend but I would I would I would encourage them to attend a meeting like that listen to the discussion oh they will so that they so that they can speak their voice and what what they would like to see because we can all sit here and talk about what we feel is right and what they what we think they're gonna be happy with or whatever on both sides of it but if they're if they're not here to represent themselves like you know but this explains why they grade before rainstorm because it's like oh well it's the only day we can grade this week and it's hard you can't predict rainstorms all the time but you know on some of those but that part of swapping time around it happens once in a while yeah but not on a red but not like not the way that we would like to see it happen but I can understand that I'd want a three-day weekend and I don't know how Gary Lamell ever got away with it back in the day I mean if if they went to work at five o'clock in the morning when they're eight hours or up they went home but now we stay there until 2 2 30 and get the overtime and hey this is my livelihood yeah I need the money right it's it's a management piece we do kind of do it like Vic says though so that so that there's three different chunks there's your regular hours and you get paid at your regular rate then if you go over within that day you get your overtime rate and then if you're sick on Friday you get sick leave and then they and that's and then that's charged at the regular rate at eight hours so and that makes folks happy but is there an incentive as far as wonder if you pay the person came in and they worked you know like crazy and got all this overtime and then took the rest of the week off is there that are we creating that chance of that happening absolutely try anything is possible why would you get the time in a half why would you say I'll take the rest of the week what Victor is talking about though is potentially presenting change to that policy right I think we have a policy set but right what he's talking about is potentially changing the existing so what to what Bridget is talking about which is that someone could use their sick time as part of their 40 hours and get paid overtime for only working 36 hours in that week for example yeah but they worked more than eight hours in a day work 36 hours because it was it but then they took eight hours of sick which made it 42 I would just I would just tell you guys no matter how you parse this out there gonna be some people who like and some people who don't like it always somebody unhappy and you know it's my my number one question and don't get me wrong is and this is what bugs me about the about the 10 hour thing is that sort of became a tradition you know it was approved once and then it was approved again and then it was approved pretty soon it's expected and I don't think it's to the town's benefit oh yeah yeah some something for you by two months I need a caroo a month on either end of it well the whole thing it's just been in it been an expanding oh yeah yeah yeah you got employees they'll say I'm quitting if that's what happens right what are the other towns have and there's so many companies hiring it's to get people to keep people happy yeah let's wait for a deep recession how about a local bank failure