 Call us to order at 637 Pat. I'm gonna assume you can hear us apologies if you can't Public comment I see no She may just have she may just be struggling to connect. She looks like she tried to reconnect audio But I it is safe to say That thank you for making it Nathan, but no other members of the public are joining us and No member of the public is outreach to one of our co-directors to bring Topic to our attention. No Thank you Next up is reviewing the draft minutes of October 24th. Yeah, it does look like Pat's having some trouble. Yay, Pat Let me let me welcome you and apologize as soon as your name flashed on you actually make us a quorum So I did call us to order and did we went we've already done public comments. It's quiet and public comment land. So you're We are we are up and running much appreciated We're actually at the point where we're going to review the draft minutes of October 24th and So we'll all go quiet for a moment and check them out See if there's any fixes needed and One should have those draft minutes either either part of the PDF packet or it's a standalone work Well, I guess it's a Google Doc For us to look at and a Chad just much appreciated on that just the formatting and the Complete sentences and everything when I was secretary. It was pretty choppy, but this is Quite robust So we'll people could just make note of anything they believe needs fixing as they scan and jog their memories and Just disclaimer. It is not enough. It's not time to revisit any of the issues in this meeting. It's just An archiving Exercise does jog your memory for issues save it for older new business So Michael was an old business about mark from Edward Jones coming to visit in January It says in the notes, but we're thinking February because that would have been yeah I was I would thank you Joe. We went back and forth a little on that I don't know if I misspoke or that or I said February and it should say February, but I was in Intending the next board meeting and I thought CJ picked up that she'd reach out to him So if my memory is correct at place where it says under is it under all business there? Yeah, or it came up or discussion It's under old business B Yeah, yeah, that would be the one thing I noted for Catching or I misspoke and said January and February We should be February. I mean, it's in it. Yeah, because that would be the next full board meeting Do people see other needed fixes, that's the only one You're gonna tell Mark about changing from January to February Well, I don't even think the bow reaches happen CJ is a treasure. I believe offer to Look him for February So we're awaiting any continued fixes Or a motion to accept with that one change of the month So moved Was that Pat? Yep me much appreciated We have a motion to accept the October 24th minutes and we're looking for a second. I'll second it. Oh Thank you Dave Motioned and seconded to accept the October 24th 2023 meetings with the one Fix of changing January to February which represents the first Full board meeting of 2024 All those in favor, please indicate by saying I Hi And opposed Fantastic that is unanimously past that brings us to the financial reports and And I I think CJ just texted in it yet again Apologies for being late. She's wrapping up a meeting as well Gin do you want to take your piece now, and I don't even I don't know if it Should ought to roll into the proposed budget or just leave it as to here and now I think in the agenda We kind of left it like here and now because part of the co-directors report with there's it'll it'll roll out then great So we'll have more more people than two most likely So in terms of the financials for this year, um, you know with December We're heading I think we still do have two more payrolls to kind of go through but all the other expenses have pretty much hit So I think outside of the compensation FICA and unemployment They the numbers should be pretty much done. I think outside of also we're gonna have The equipment generally in December is when we purchase all the new equipment That we need to replace or if we're buying a different style So that the equipment expenses make should expect to increase By the end of the year but outside of that all the other expenses have pretty much been through So and I think the general categories where we were over budget continue to be because we were I think as of the last meeting to so the accounting was because of the tax return and I think Outreach was always a little bit hard and I think other than that there hasn't been The other one that probably will see it by the end of the year increases mileage Generally, the camera operators turn in their mileage near the end of the year. So some will have months of mileage that may Hit and but the camera operators this year are pretty good about doing it monthly. So it shouldn't be too much more than what's in there Am I reading correctly that our income came in at a hundred and six percent of expected? Oh So that's because we got the government appropriations Amount that was for fiscal 24. So it came in we're hoping that it might be delayed enough that it would hit next year's budget We do have a budget, but because the check came in Positive it so you'll notice that in government appropriations at 70,000, but that includes that extra 45,000 that we're hoping to use next year so if that line item weren't there we'd be a Little our income would be a little less than expected rep referencing Decline table revenues Yes, and that's also noted in the but in the code record support that we did get another Comcast Check and it was less than the previous check. So that decline is continuing. So It is Less than expected even just Welcome palin. We're on the financial reports right now. Hi everyone. I came the most exciting exciting part of the meeting That's right We're looking at the complete year 2023 budget. It's in the packet. I know it's about a third of the way through Maybe more closer to half We're asking what date in February the first board meeting I could give it Is that in 2019? I just wanted to put it in this book get down get down Was that Dave? Yeah, I was trying to make sure that I had in my new appointment book The date of the February board meeting So I was asking anybody had already knew what that time was There's a Tuesday call the 19th fourth Tuesday, I think I looked at it. It's a 27th. We haven't Thank you, but I think we can go back to being the fourth Tuesday with the holidays. It got tricky Like I think this is the second Tuesday of December, but it's all it's only thing to work It's topic it's financials people have questions for gin. She's uh Wisely saving the proposed budget for next year for co-directors report palin, but um, we are Checking out how the year shook out how 2023 shook out And it does look like expenses came in under expected So it was under but we're also expecting that um the equipment budget will increase So generally we do end up spending the entire amount. So it may be that we are very close. So the 13 I think in the equipment were under By 13 and that generally gets used that so that may end up Adjusting it somewhat, but hopefully will be pretty Significantly but a handful amount So is that a question for zack? What's not a little end of year needs assessment? What what what do we expect to I can burn that up real quick. Yeah, you're getting still still pretty vague there is that So what's what's what's the need? We well a lot of different things Um, it's kind of a bigger need. I was looking into changing our camera system Um, so I've been researching that for a while um But there's several other like just little things That we need one of them is chairs from the studio All right, so we have ones that match that are from the 60s Yeah, I think there's that At least one has sort of a loose or broken uh, oh that one That one finally broke really gave up Yeah, we got we got as much light as we possibly could out of it um other questions thoughts And I don't know without the treasure support I have an other question Go ahead. My life. This is Nathan. Am I allowed to ask questions? um Yeah, sure. Sure. What's up well, just um To me looking at this at a glance Jane, did you say you have two more payrolls before the end of year? Yes, and are you about 11 000 per payroll? Yes okay, and then if you spend the The perfect year that's plus 14 so you're that's plus 36 my expenses um But that's still to my eye You're still well under expense but Yes, and I think part of it was um Some of the I think we made some savings in the compensation just because we had A shift to health insurance versus being paid out the amount So I think the amount that we were paying in health insurance and what we were paying out as compensation lieu of benefits kind of came out where we ended up with a little bit of a surplus on that end and I think also the legal fees and the um The consultant amount is pretty high just because we're counting on an audit and The strategic planning consultant hasn't hit the books yet So I think there are some places that there was a chunk of change that we were holding just in case and It didn't end up getting used yet cool Thanks for entertaining my question. Oh the other thing I thought is can you all right would your policies and practices allow you to do a general entry We're at the end of the year or the beginning next year about the government appropriations and just to shift that That's what I'm hoping that we're going to be able to do because yeah that 45,000 We really you'll see it in the next year's budget and it was um In the government like fi 24 So we are hoping that we can shift it and I think it's not an issue as long as it's okay with the board Would you need a motion for that or just you know, no objections go ahead and do it I mean, it's it's confusing to see it in 2023. So it would be great if we could just Push it where it belongs That's what I I do want to pull it out I pondered it but I was like just so that it shows up because we did receive it and Received it then sure then and also to say, you know, this is what we're hoping to do And then maybe whether it's the motion or just like if it's okay for us to do and maybe that's to um Ask cj. If that's okay if there's anything that's around that is do be then Um, but hopefully it'll be just a journal entry Yeah, I would say barring objections Um, and then I you know if if it's quiet with questions for you jinn, I don't know if it emotion We I could entertain a motion to accept the financials Uh with the understanding that if cj shows up we reopen for the treasurer's report I see nothing wrong with that if anyone wants to uh Keep us moving down field Or you just dying ask questions jinn in this 2023 How it shook out With a couple pending items some expenses and a little more payroll Yeah, maybe I was in clear we would need a a motion to accept financials In order to get to the co-directors report Let's don't move the financials Uh, thank you pat. Is there a second? second Appreciate it palin um All those in favor of opening uh close Closing out the financials with the understanding we'll open it back up for the treasurer's report pending cj's arrival Please indicate by saying aye Aye and opposed All right, we've cleared the decks for the co-directors All right, um, I'll probably just go over this in Zoom land if that's okay. Um, you all have it in front of you Great, okay, um Yeah, so We uh, you know keep on trucking along here. So, uh, there was a lot of things that have happened live productions you can see there highlighted um There's a lot of uh, well received. I think we had a ton of views on the Patrick Leahy growing up in Montpelier one I remember that uh, did really well. We recently um live stream and and acted as some av support on hunger bountains annual meeting nathan was there as facilitator. So there's a Nice uh small world moment, right? So, um, yeah, we've uh Let's see as far as our outreach community partnerships. There's a lot of uh, A lot, I mean relatively there's a handful of new community producers coming in which is exciting. We have two new studio shows one of which Is from our our in residence, uh, Vermont public producer Working as an independent Volunteer community producer not affiliated with Vermont public, but he's doing a show called out with lunch Um, it's a fun call-in show that he's going to try to do once a week um, you can see here And stop me if you have any questions, please. So, uh, you can see here that palin Is going to be a community producer producing a show and palin and I met uh last week to talk about that and so that's um on in the pre-production phase, but it looks like things are moving forward and that's going to be Uh, a little bit more in the field with doing some interviews and um, yeah uh focusing on local uh leaders in the community and I think it's great. So we're supporting palin Uh, as she coordinates that um A ton of work has been happening with the green mountain film festival This is kind of like the season leading up to the end of the year as uh, the tickets are being launched Hopefully this week A lot of ha is happening with organizing and programming And the team of python and and sam And now therisa are doing a wonderful job really leading this effort and um, you can see we've got the dates finalized Um, yeah, if you have any sponsorship ideas, send them our way therisa is leading the sponsorship effort. Yes, pat Sorry, I had a difference chris. You mentioned right when you began that you had a lot of hits on the lehi Show did you mean hits from other public access stations or hits from actual people? It's um, I was really referring to uh, youtube views. We don't get the numbers on I mean, maybe jinn can tell you the vmx numbers, but we don't get the numbers on Tom cast. I don't know hits from people You mean like expressions of No, I just um, I've always wondered how many people people watch My show and I've been told that you can only you can only Tell how many Stations have picked up my show to show to their viewers So I've always just wanted to when you said that I went. Ooh, maybe they figured out how to do that But I guess no, right. Yeah. I mean, that's yes Yeah, unfortunately, we can we can't tell you how many people tuned into it on local Television and we can't tell you how many people tuned it into it on the affiliates, but youtube gives us numbers. Yeah Yeah, we we know that one. Okay, thanks. Um, sure. Yeah, and You know, and that's one of the things that you know, maybe we'll change in the future with Negotiations, but yeah, that's that's a difficult Uh, what do we got so okay, so um Yeah, so let's see. Of course, we had our uh board retreat, which was a success we think uh, and Nathan's here tonight to Recap and talk about um next steps and Yeah, and so we've given him some space. So I'm kind of actually, you know trying to move through this quickly to more so than we More uh more than we typically do so, um Nathan welcome, uh, so let's see staff. Um, we have two new camera operators Bryce and O'Neill Which is great I think they're just getting out there now um Through the early training process with zack Um, and then yeah, we heard from jinn, but um jinn if you want to speak to finance finances again in this section That would be great I'm just gonna say do you want to just finish off with the statewide and then i'll take over on the new budget Because that kind of rolls right into the budget. Yes, please. Okay, great. So yeah, that'll require a vote as well to accept this. Yeah, so, um Yeah, the last thing, you know, we have the section for statewide regional activity and We've been busy, uh, or I've been busy with the um that working with uh meetings, uh setting up meetings to just generate Uh support and raise awareness about what van is doing in this coming uh session in january and You can see here that we've been focusing on meeting with the house representatives Um, generate support for another one million dollar ask for from appropriations requests for fy 25 Um, and then also kind of just explain the high level, uh community media public the high level Uh of the community media public benefit fund, which will be reintroduced in january um, and I think both of those It's both in the house and in the senate. We have a sponsor on the community media public benefit fund, which is great So I think at this point it's just meeting with everybody and making sure Uh, we get the questions asked now And yeah, so I'm focusing on central for months Yeah Chris could I ask When we do something like as extensive as the organizing and programming of the green mountain film festival How do we evaluate after we've done it? How well it was done and how well it was received and what controversies may have arisen around How much of the israeli side of the story was in the film festival and how much of the palestinian side of the story was in the film festival Is there a process to reevaluation when festivals over? Sure, that's a great question. I don't think that the last Uh question will be addressed as far as part of our processor workflow just to let you know, but um We we're just doing this as an arts and cultural event and I I don't necessarily think we're analyzing that but This is also new to us as an organization to Fiscally sponsor and support Such a such a larger effort of in the community And so as you know, the green mountain festival was We didn't really have a relationship with them in the past So I don't necessarily know how we'll analyze and Evaluate our success after this, but um Yeah, I know that uh, we've been doing pretty good about Documenting everything and just keeping you know, um, we were working with Leadership team of three people then we have an advisory board um, and so everything's moving forward and Yeah, I don't know do you know as um, just sort of as baseline At an average year the previous incarnation of the green mountain film festivals Like how many screenings would they do in that? Yeah, so it's varied um the 2019 was their last year and um, they did about Uh, I I can't tell you the number of screenings, but they did 10 full days, which is pretty uh, amazing and they um Yeah, and So we're doing four full days. So that's a lot uh more distilled version of this and They've had you know I think they've been pretty much They did pretty well with the number of tickets sold and I think what I've heard is that you know No matter the number of days and the number of screenings they typically would have the same audience attendance numbers um, I don't have those on On hand, but yeah, does that answer your question? Sure, don't have them on hand, but they're available so you can kind of measure again Yeah, and that's I think that's the thing is that we're kind of expecting that as well now that we're coming back I think we are pushing regionally more um and also, you know, things have changed um And chad is on our advisory board He can speak to some of this too, but the things have changed over the the last couple of years Even since the green mountain film festival has gone into hiatus, right? So Uh the v-tip has really grown and they had successful hybrid festivals White River Junction has a really strong festival now and so the green mountain film festival I think acted as a a real strong unique event and cultural kind of organization that now has a little bit more competition And so it's kind of like finding a new thing and making a new um Yeah, there's a lot of newness that's coming out of this that has to and kind of finding our space in the state. Um, so yeah Thank you Okay, so I'm just going to go as quick on the finances and it's primarily I have listed the um changes because we gave you the budget draft one last board meeting And in that time there was some changes. So I just wanted to I made a draft to we made a draft two And I had listed the reasons the changes that we made and I highlighted them in gray And the primary one is the cable revenue because they have been decreasing What we did last year and how we projected for the next year was we took the lowest Amount and used that as the monthly amount for the year. So Since the check came in lower than before that monthly amount I readjusted to reflect the lowest the lowest check that we got. So we're looking at A decrease about 20 almost 25,000 from the draft one so Oops, sorry against this year not against draft one So that's the main piece that I wanted to go over. There was some other little changes where the unemployment taxes Um Are higher than we expected. So I made an adjustment where I had taken some of the camera operators out But I'm going to keep them all in so you'll notice that amount has been that's increased Our business insurance ended up being not as much as we projected in the budget for this year So I did we're expecting a seven percent increase based on what got bill So that's what that member has been adjusted to and then the other piece is outreach Which is the main piece is that the grace note Which is the programming that we use the programming group that we use for the cable local programming guide They increased their rate 15 percent. So that's what that amount jumped to so that um And that's a piece that is part of the cable system And it could be at some point we I made I was thinking about looking and seeing like it is a huge expense And whether a lot of people use it or not, especially if the cable Folks aren't really if the cable numbers are dropping and if that programming if people aren't hitting and going into that cable program The programming guide that it may be an expense that doesn't necessarily pay out to keep using so I did I put it in there and But it is something that I know like in some of the other Discussion groups with the other access centers some it went across all the access centers And some are choosing not to use grace note So then it's like since there are some access centers not often to do the programming guide that it could be something that would be An expense that we could take out that may not necessarily affect a ton of people Just because it may be not something that a lot of people use within their cable system So that's those are the changes against draft one that um that happened and I think um and also the 4500 or 45 000 and government appropriations that it doesn't show up in the budget draft one or two but um I think there's an extra report where there are extra problems if you wanted to see how the budget drafts worked against what was actual I did pull it out so you can see um What it like the budgets looked against what we've actually done so far as a mid-december So that was those are I just wanted to verbalize the highlighted pieces but that's um And so outside of that I think in terms of finances there's it's just that Outside of that what was said during the financial reports. I think that part's it for the co-directors yeah Hi jen I um when you first started you talked about a 25 000 25 000 reduction could you just explain that to me again? I missed it and I that's a lot of money So it's actually so this year's budget The 2023 budget against what is the 2024 so what we've done is we took the lowest Check for that map for that year and used it to project and that's where so our checks have been decreasing and decreasing and so I think even like the lowest checked in I guess it would have been in 2022 when we put together the 2023 budget was considerably higher than what the lowest check in 2023 was that we put together the 2024 budget so that's where I think if That's where that 25 000 came from is that our revenues are projected to be less than what we budgeted and Even like with the financials we came in lower than our budget anyways Like our actual revenues came in lower because the checks had been lower So it's that decrease that we've always been talking about with the cable revenues That we are seeing it and so that's where that 25 000 came from so it was I mean So but in terms of how it's different Sorry How it's different in the drafts that I gave you that I made an adjustment So it's about 16 000 that from budget draft one and budget draft two And that's just because that check amount is what we use for the whole year and so Um, that's what okay Thanks. Sorry. I missed it. Sorry Well, that was the most key question actually jenna you said the lowest quarterly check we received in 23 was 98 000 No, that's for yes for 2023 the actual that's the one we just received So is that the number you used? Did you just multiply that by four? Yes I get 392 when I do that So what I did was I took that and it's are you doing it for the it's the Capital revenue and the operating revenue because it gets separated out. So is that So yeah, there it is. Yeah, that comes it comes right in while I'm getting yeah, I was like 32, but right together Those numbers match. Thank you Okay um other questions on this proposed 2024 budget also just big thanks to jen for giving us that preview and um the last board meeting so it's not as Not as daunting to digest all this We have grazed over much of this ground and jen's Highlighting of the revision since that graph I'm incorporating some of our feedbacks and just and just the financial reality of the last quarterly check All accounted for here More questions for jen. I do believe she would We would all of this to be approved this evening And I just go ahead pat. It's one more question. Do does jen have the authority to if we went Higher or if we went higher or lower on one budget line item. Can we borrow from another budget line item? I was just looking at legal expenses We had an the budget was 833 and we didn't expend anything But if we had would we were able to take it out of consulting which would have been the the next logical line. Are we able to Switch numbers around You know i'm saying I think that's what we're hoping to To find out today if like if that's if that is something that someone would Yeah, because it's the bottom line that counts more than the individual line items, correct? Sort of Yeah, historically the discretion's been there Okay, something and now reach ends up being used over here. Okay. That's what I wanted to unexpected low unexpected high the two meet Yeah, good So it's the bottom line we're playing to We're looking making sure the bottom lines come out. Okay. Yeah, and these are you know really great predictions, but then life happens Yeah, right shit happens Uh Okay Okay, this is cj as your treasurer. I have a question CJ we we opted to we opted to double back with to accept the financial reports and double back to if you had anything on the treasurer's report um so That that slot is available. We just didn't want to sit around wait and we did it's we we moved we moved the ball down field But the floor is yours on this budget question yep, no, it's a question for so you know the Obviously the 45 000 more than makes up for the loss of approximately is it 5000 this year due to decreased revenues from Comcast? Although that 45 was in like so we knew we were getting that 45 000 this year So for the 2024 so in terms of the loss revenue it makes up some of it But the other piece I did want to know like so because of the the loss in revenue and the changes that we made in budget too Like the capital gains savings like we're hoping to pull some of that out And it could be like some of the savings that we did with when this year budget or this year ends Like some of the expenses that we didn't use we might be able to shift But so that 39 is like pulling from the savings to make that budget come out to be I think we ended up with a negative 10 000 because it's still the audit That 10 000 is for the audit. So I just left it at the negative 10 But in terms of like whether that 45 000 will necessarily cover that gap I think because our compensation lines also went up It's hoping but I think It is Sorry cj. I interrupted you No, you didn't you were trying to answer my question. I'm just listening So that's where you know that 45 I think we've been knowing because They're they kind of the van advocacy group told us like they had a five-year plan of bridge funding that they were hoping to do So I think that 45 and same with this year They're going to be going back to the legislative to ask for another million And I think in the last meeting there was like van advocacy handout that talked about Their plan for the five-year bridge funding so that it would hopefully coincide with the public benefit fund coming into play too So even though we are losing on funding. I think it matches some of the lost revenue But it doesn't also like totally make up for the increase in compensation that We were experiencing with more events and camera operators out there Okay, so at the moment we're with the increase in uh, essentially staffing Us compensation, whether it's part-time or full-time Yeah, we're upside down Yes, where we're hoping to pull from savings and and with the initial budget draft we did pull some as well I think and that I think in the initial budget draft that we presented we were hoping to pull 21 000 From savings or couple gains to make match up the difference And that wasn't even with the decrease in revenues with the newest check and so we did see it that that one line item go up to try to cover the differences and Jen am I reading correctly that from 23 to 24 compensation Actually goes down, but it's health insurance that took the big jump From 19 to 43 So what compensation holds is that in 2023 we had a staff member who chose to do Cash and Lua benefits and so that amount was higher than what was actually chosen So that's why that compensation line is much higher It isn't like you would expect since that staff took health insurance The decrease would be considerable But it's not because we also opted to increase the number Of camera operator hours that we're going to be using this year Just because we notice that we're trying to do better production sometimes that's multi cameras and multi people So I think in that sense like you can't quite capture that Compensation did go up in terms of like the amount of staff time that we're hoping to use and pay out Because a lot of that In the in the 2023 was caught up in the cash and lua benefit that was in that line So I'm seeing on 50 10 that it that compensation went down Is that full-time staff and then somewhere else as camera operators? No, that's camera operators and full-time staff and it would have been also cash and lua benefits So that's that 50 10 captures all of that And so when we pulled out the cash and lua benefits and we're not paying that out in 2024 That's where that health insurance increases But the compensation line decreases It just you don't see it as much aggregate. It's a jump. Yeah I'm all clear there. Thank you Okay, thank you, Jen. I appreciate the answer. Um, so On the kind of What I'm seeing is possibly a little bit of a good news bad news So I have a couple of questions On the good news side We're at restore is we're at The highest interest rates for very very safe investment vehicles that we've been at for a very long time Um And uh, I'm going to ask the board for motion when we get to the financial section To approve some actions that I take on the behalf of orca The but before we do that so right now Based on the money that was transferred over um About half a year ago We're we're getting an additional uh, approximately $6,000 That we were not seeing just as a yield on on the The funds that we were able to put into safe high yield investments compared to what they were going to go for That'll help a little bit with that whole um The 150,000 approximately that's an orca savings Is that currently at the like point zero two? Yeah point two nine. Okay Do you want that to be moved over into the higher yield laddered cds given that you will still have access to them measuring every three months It'll yield an approximate at that rate with current interest rates Um for we can we can do a very safe thing with them that'll yield an extra six or seven thousand eight over the next year Not saying that'll be true next year because these things should start coming back down, but I think so I think um, it's just you know, when we get the deposit the check Honest check it is huge and then we use it to For across three months, but if we had access so we could pull it Then if we needed to then I would say I'd be okay with that and I think um Especially with the end that 45,000 because it came in So soon it seemed like that was one of the things I was going to ask to see if you wanted to shift over till we needed it Okay, um, yeah, we could take that offline, but we should do that Just because it sounds like right now the extra, you know, whatever it'll be four to six or seven thousand Wouldn't be a bad thing to have coming in as long as you have access to the funds the way you need them um so My final question though is Is is just one of uh, so you added a lot of camera operators to have higher production values But it's causing a net loss. Is that right? So I think our plan was we were trying to increase the production value so that when we went to go and ask for For them to pay that they were familiar with like, okay, you know, it's Like getting a good multi-camera piece of content rather than it's gaveled together So we are starting to try to increase that production value so that when we came to the ask They were starting to be familiar with like, oh, yeah, you know, it's not just Okay So in other words, you're basically Giving them this is a little bit of a okay We're going to ask you for more support from the legislature Is that right and and we're going to show you what you're getting ahead of time is is it kind of like that It is and also if we're going to go to an organization and say, you know, we're do we do your annual meeting This is what you've been counting on we've kind of, you know Been doing it as just part of our mission and supporting you but if you can kick, you know It is a little bit more costly for us to do it. Can you Maybe put some for it and same with like the municipals if you know if it comes to But I think by just having general better production value in that it would make that ask a little bit easier Yep, thank you very much. So you're doing it as an investment essentially in our future And it might not be more cameras. It might be just like one person's on all the other persons on the camera So one person just focus is on one aspect Sure, I was just trying to have a better understanding of the addition of unbudgeted personnel And I think that you know, let's see how it turns out But based on the idea that this is an investment to increase the revenues coming in to provide something that's That is totally consistent with orcas mission. It's public, you know charitable mission I Wanted to understand it because It's also a thank you to the legislature in that they already have invested in the public access stations and Doing a bit of an upgrade there It's also an expression of gratitude as well as an investment and hopefully further reasons to be grateful And having it in our minutes that there's you know, some thinking here about What more we can do and how it benefits everybody seems like a positive. So I I appreciate the explanation and Just monitor it and watch it and maybe you guys are setting an example for all the other public access components um more questions On the uh 2024 proposed budget for a For a motion to accept Or are we still talking? So Michael I did kind of blow into I remember you saying that about needing to accept the co-directors report And I was hoping to oh, no, I'm seeing this is fully within the co-directors report But within the I think the budget needs its own Motion and then we if there's more on the co-director stuff great, but um I I do see us I do see you do to have a separate agenda item. I don't know if that's Problematic, but Um, I'm comfortable with the The We're still within co-directors But it's indisputable the the proposed budget needs its own motion To accept Or we're still talking about it Well, I'll make the motion if nobody else will all right, thanks pat is Serious through here. We have a motion to accept the 2024 budget And we would need a second Alex seconded I heard was that Dave? Yeah All right, um pat so moves Dave has seconded We've had some robust conversation And then it got quiet so I think it's safe to call the question all is in favor Accepting the 2024 budget as proposed Please indicate by saying aye Aye And a pose would be nays And that's unanimous congrats gin and co-directors Thank you. Oh, that's that's tricky when we get a uh Final quarterly check that I think that's our first Below a hundred thousand dollar quarterly check in a long time. So um Not not panic time, but we are seeing that slow steady Uh decline Um And then just in terms of mop up here um Is there is there more uh that the co-directors would like to um Direct us to Or shall we roll right into an full acceptance of the full co-directors before I was curious about one thing if I Just trying to remember I know that it seems like we we were Decided several years ago that we we were going to do several Budgets at a that we're planning to run it a deficit. This is like back to um The previous administration, and I'm wondering how many years into that are we Um, and are we still are we still doing that now? I'm not exactly Clear, so I'm not sure exactly what that I think the four Rob left He presented a budget where he had some monies in the capital savings Or the capital gains and and came out to a negative at the end So I'm not sure if like we you know theoretically what we're presenting is a deficit budget because we are pulling stuff out of the savings capital gains and I think that We weren't presenting one as as much as his and that was Where we made the adjustment, so I don't know how much I don't remember what he was but I think it was like when the salaries got adjusted that I think when we offered I think we changed all the camera operators to like 16 dollars an hour So there was there was a shift in in in wage that Started the the deficit budget So I think we might be in like year two and then when we decided not to do the executive director and just do the co-directors We decreased that deficit, but I think that now When we're starting to add more into more camera operators like it's starting to creep up there again But I'd have to look to see how much he had In the capital gains on that budget that he presented where it was I think at the end at the bottom it was still a negative 30,000 So But then it would have been with the capital gains. It might have been even more than that So I think essentially if you look through here, we are looking at a deficit budget because we are pulling from savings and whether that's How long we want to continue on with that we probably You know, we're hoping to start looking at ramping up like production revenue and you know And so hopefully we might and our production revenue was lower this year just because city council Like they were paying a bunch, but they're not doing their meetings in that room But it looks like they might be again. So that might go up again So if that answers your questions right, yeah, yeah, I may have should have answered to ask that before But I'm trying to get things written in the right section of the Of this I was just sort of curious to say at what point we were planning to not be If and when we were planning to not be in a Deficit budget anymore. So I'm hoping like I don't know real quick of how quickly like it I can't I wouldn't be comfortable saying like in the next two years It would it is something that's on our mind and we're looking at okay So is it you know, and it's also I think a question just being a new in this is How much of the savings from the previous year? So this year when we close it out and we you know, we didn't spend a bunch of money that was in the budget Does that get counted as like we didn't Have a deficit because we didn't end up spending it even though we presented it just because And so I think in that sense it's like, you know, does that That surplus get how does that get folded back into this year's budget that Is like using that that is that okay to use as like not quite a revenue But some sort of income source that you know pulling from savings But it's like pulling from not like the surplus from the previous budget. So I'm not sure exactly how Yeah, actually when chat chat asked that question. I looked at 23 budgeted versus actual and you know net operating income 82 000 um, I think there's is there There's still payroll and some capital there but I think it may just look like very good You know best practices conservative conservative budgeting that that Things come out better in the wash on the other end as they did in 23 Am I reading that correctly when you compare budgeted versus actual on 23 For this year. Well, there's that 45 000 that kind of beefs things up. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah I can um And I can you know is one of The fund reports that I would like to do is to just kind of look at you know What was the surplus in terms of how orco has been in the past of every year? Has there always been a surplus and where does that go and so it is? Um, but in terms of answering your question. Yes, we are still out of deficit budget Just because revenues keep going and hopefully and we'll see how the benefit fund if that comes in If that will help also and I think that was kind of like the hope was That will run a deficit, but then the benefit fund or the government appropriations Like somehow that might help bridge that revenue issue that we're experiencing with the Comcast And then and then to your to your question. I think again historically it's been if there's like left over 2023 money It's just sort of actively available for 24 That's I believe that's been past practice Is that Question Uh further discussion of the proposed 2024 budget or uh motion Um, I guess my only discussion question is um In terms of running a deficit budget What is your breakaway point? So right now we agree with you know, I think my sense is we all say Okay, we think this is a reasonable plan Um Is there a point where you're going to look and say okay? I think this might not be a good idea. Let's course correct It's not you know, it's This is not a critical question. It's more just of a hey All right, right now you're running along you're planning to run upside down a little bit, which is okay because you're investing Uh, if the investment doesn't pay off what point are you going to be like, okay? We need to course correct Well, I think that that's part of this strategic planning that we've been you know talking about And that's why we're doing the strategic planning project. Um, okay I would say that that that should be something that's kind of faked into the plan, you know, if If money's not coming in at the statewide level um In the next couple years, you know, if if then this is a shorter term question than that This is you're currently planning to run. You're asking us to approve a budget that's That's got a plan to run upside down. Well, right when I mean when I say the next couple years I mean if the the public benefit fund is not You know fully supported in the next session Um, then we need to shift our focus and our fundraising and development needs to that You know the energy that we're putting into the band advocacy at the statewide level needs to change and But as far as when we yeah as far as when we would say, okay, we're not going to have a Uh deficit budget or you know that I don't I don't think we have an answer for that Well, the other bit would be that I think part of the capital gains savings is that we have that mad money from before and so we're like, okay So right now we have that mad money that we were going to use to maybe make some changes or to do like that one time expense Of something so we're like, okay Well, could we maybe pull a little bit of that mad money and cover like this part of maybe making the change in production value So I think that's where like we wouldn't Like when we were putting together the budget and seeing what was reasonable I think we were getting nervous as we were hitting like that 39 and we're like, okay We know that we're low on expenses. We have some coverage for the expenses from this surplus for this year But we also have maybe the mad money And maybe could we maybe use some of that mad money to shift some of that deficit that we had so some of the savings when we Back when you know, we weren't taking salary increases. We were like, okay, save save save And so we did save a bunch of money and so we're like, okay Can we use some of that to make these changes and hopefully keep us out of that deficit but not Like not counting on it because we often know it's like finite So that's where also we felt a little bit more comfortable in saying, okay We're going to increase the compensation because we have that mad money further discussion or a calling the question What are we calling on right now what the last vote that we had you said that it was on the budget But was that actually on the co-directors report? When pat moved. Oh, I'm sorry. We have already we have already accepted this budget. My apologies. Thank you chat Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're just looking to close out the co-directors report We we we would use them a new do a motion for that. Thank you for catching that chat I'll make a motion to approve the co-directors report That chat is so moved to accept the full Our co-directors report. Is there a second? Second Thank you that was pale. I appreciate it All those in favor accepting the co-directors report please indicate by saying aye Aye And a pose would be nay And that's unanimous. Thank you all And thanks chat working for with the the wonky order there the budget 20 24 is already taken care of Um, let's see old business new business. Um, and we do have Time for our guests and Nathan so at at 7 38 Um It's it may be later than you think With that extra line item at the end Old business um in the parking lot is cj proposing planning for an audit The other piece was um Uh this kind of perennial discussion of mark coming back to visit, um There was a discussion. I don't even remember if it was me proposing it But that it would be february Um, and I Recall cj. Did you offer to reach out to mark and book him for our february? 27th meeting Your video is there, but your audio isn't there you are. Thank you. Sorry about that. Yep So I have not done that yet, and I'm happy to do that if that still looks like a good time Yeah, yeah, and we I mean we were we No expectations that you would have already because we hadn't nailed down the um Meeting date, but it looks like it'll be the 27th of february. It was back to the fourth Tuesday Oh, yeah, but and the second tuesday for me conflicts with another with the ec fiber board meeting which Yeah, this is super rare second tuesday. Sometimes we've done third tuesday on a holiday avoidance, but um just the way the calendar fell Third tuesday wasn't working for anyone either No, this is a very rare second tuesday our standing is fourth so february will represent Yeah, and if we could go to first tuesday instead of second that would avoid those conflicts for me Yeah, I expect I expect that to be you know Is remain extremely rare Yeah, by the way just the the interesting news for those of you just because we are a Media company and this is a potential interest black rock Called the bonds some of the bonds that ec fiber had put out there Oh So if anybody was wondering is i've been trying to find out for a while who bought that that who controls the company I always thought of black rock is investing in like fizer because they're the major bondholder or the major uh Uh shareholder for visor. Wow That's it um CJ do you want to do you want to speak on the the audit old business piece or it's just its pending? Yes, no, that would be fine. Um when we did when I raised this uh previously and I don't with polish meeting exactly but um I said that pat batch held her who's in berry and keen was recommended. She did the Um The audit for stage coach If anybody knows about that situation we're you know, and so she's just a well respected local auditor Um, I've sent I just sent her a message. So I haven't heard back yet saying are you interested in doing an audit for not the profit? No, no and if there That you all would like to recommend The the background here for those new board members is I took over for the original treasurer who had done a great job and had been here since orca began An audit had not been performed since I think it was 2015 or maybe it was 2008 and there was a financial review in 2015 whatever it was Uh, I have still got everything looks copacetic to me. It's just that it's really good governance To to do an audit every so often and so the board agreed to set aside some funds to have an audit done and So that's it. We're This is not a reaction to anything It's a it is a good housekeeping and the fact that it creates a nice handoff in a clean beginning Yeah, and it's been a while Other old business Uh, yes, so Well, I've got the This may need to be in the financial section, but I'm because I do have another board meeting that they I'm supposed to be in would it be uh, would it be possible to shuffle the agenda a little bit? Because you'd like to CJ because you'd like to um Go back to the financials Yeah, I'm supposed to be in two places at once right now. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're let's consider Let's consider that a great place to to get you. Um, we get you that slot reopened Okay, super. So, um I'd like to uh request a motion to um, well, let me just ask this If you have had wonderful experience or would like a competitive bid for the um for the auditor I'm fine with that. I just would like some recommendations right now I have a recommendation from paul haskell who was uh, one of the stage coach board members, um and an ec fiver Uh founding board member and the share and select board chair for I think 10 years Then I reached out because you know, he's done a lot of municipal governance and non-profit governance and We have no Worries about anything and these are really straightforward books who would be Good and local and cost effective and he said, but bonny batch holder Uh is great. I'm going to just paste her contact information into the chat window If there are other requests or suggestions great. I'm happy to follow up. If not, um, I'd like a the board's approval Uh, okay a lot ahead of my text window. I'll try to get it and paste it in. I'd like the board's approval to uh To go ahead and hire And again, you know No further we need to do a competitive bid. I'm happy to do that. Otherwise if the board's willing to waive That's uh That's the only person I've got on the radar right now any discussion there before I ask you guys to approve that I um, I'm glad you I believe I don't even I don't even even know if you'd need approval as long as it's coming in within the line item The main question is do we need to do a competitive bid for the auditor or simply select somebody who's known in the area and recognized I have no personal experience with her And we do have a good group of local people here. So I'm taking suggestions just I I just curious what the um, do we have anything in the um In the rules and rigs about soul sourcing is it does it depend on a certain amount of funding being spent that we'd have to go out for Uh competitive bids like three or whatever or are we free to do soul source? Because I do know I do know the person at least the firm anyway I know that shoulder I don't think I don't think we have a trigger amount that would oh, we don't of course I that would be news to me Huh, it's definitely nothing in the bylaws Okay Well, that's good It is Past practice has just been you know If someone if someone's quote comes in uh, you know within the mount we've budgeted for it Yay, great. Um, but yeah, I hear like cj is looking for leads that people want to throw them her way And uh, is is there anybody who's you know pat? Would you recommend that we continue to just take a couple of other suggestions or are you I just always feel better You can make phone calls. We don't have to do a formal bid, but maybe three Three phone calls maybe to ask If you have the time. I know you're very busy At this point in time. I am so maxed out. I mean right now I'm supposed to be at once but I but if you would like to I would be delighted to consider anybody that you would recommend Or would so if you want to get on a team we can do that and delay this Okay, I could make the phone calls for you if you if we could just have a Offline chat and I can make some phone calls because I know some people And as great as long as for a verbal bid bid is okay. I just feel more comfortable It saves a lot of problems if the if the public gets a little berserk Okay, I've given you my cell phone just in case you don't have it in the chat window And if you pull that out Okay, shoot me a text pat and what I'll be planning on is just you run this I'll go ahead and get that one quote and You get the other two and we'll bring it back. That sounded like a very productive conversation Thank you. Okay with you guys Real-time problem solving Okay And then as far as it goes So with that we will we won't even bring my motion. We don't even need to table it because we've got it Um, so it'll be an agenda item for next board meeting to approve The auditor and get that going fair enough Good. That's great All right, and then the other thing that I'd like I would like the board to approve my going ahead and creating this new account and starting to Take a hard look. Uh, it'll probably be after the holidays But, um, you know, it'll be the end of december or beginning of january before the next board meeting I would like to be able to come back and say we've got the new account created. We are, you know, here's the strategy For this we've been talking about it since I got it and at the moment We're still on the same old stuff. Nothing's changed there and it's not performing that well the only place you know, we've had some changes made in the in the in the Use of the savings money, which is which needs to be fairly liquid Um, and you've already got the results from that so with that I'd like the board to approve The change in the accounts that would require my signature Like a body signature on Mike Boyle's signature the past treasure to make that happen Yeah, and I think that we've been we've been talking about this for a good long time. So We're all fully apprised on the ins and outs Um And you're just looking for a motion to actually just pull the trigger and create that account that's out of american funds Different fee system, but it makes sense We correct exactly and american funds remain part of the uh, yeah, it's not a complete walk away, right? That's a good point as well so I I as a chair. I can't make a motion so um I don't I don't know CJ if you you could I think you could you could make okay the motion Make my own motion and then see how the board feels about it. Sure. So um, you get a second. We're in right? Absolutely, so I'd like um, I'd like to make a motion to go ahead and modify the uh, current uh investment management strategy To create a new account that allows a a more diversified approach to the market with orcas Well, it's just with orcas investment funds and a second Second Thank you, jessica Uh, all those in favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye and a poem Is uh unanimous great um I guess we'll just catch all old business new business or um If there's nothing left we'll roll right into Nathan It does sound quiet Yeah, Nathan, you're up all right Good to see you all again, and thanks for letting me sit on the meeting. It's great to watch you all operate And so I just point of clarification. Are you are we done at eight? Are we done at 8 30? Um, you know, we shoot for eight and we we hardly hardly never hit it Okay Well, I'll uh, I'll start by being succinct and then uh, you know, that It's up to you how much how much more time you want to put into this this evening Um CJ I'm sorry to have missed you at the retreat. Uh, it seems like your voice would have been great to have there um I thought it was for my view is a productive retreat with Both sort of soft goals and hard goals in mind hard goals being making actual progress on the planning and then soft goals being more repetitions and practice within your organization of folks working within the governor of the sociocracy uh circles format and um, and then I think that it's not uh, it's not for nothing that strategic planning Takes a certain mindset and a certain orientation towards what do we mean by goals? What do we mean by objectives and strategies and then Figuring out, you know, what what do we what actions are going to take in service of these things and then placing those Uh strategies, especially onto a timeline that's realistic within the capacity of the organization Which has been that's a drum uh the zack and jinn and christopher will tell you that the The capacity drum is one I've been beating constantly when I work with them, which is Be cautious because it's not as though anybody here is is uh twiddling their thumbs during the day Waiting for something else to do So being careful about what you commit to in terms of new work um the If we had more time this evening, I think one of the things that jinn was wishing for and I completely supportive was the idea that At the retreat we had two working sessions where people broke out into uh circles and then Not really enough time when we were back together for folks to Both report out and then take time to reflect across circles and sort of talk about the way some of these things overlap I don't sense that we're going to have time for that this evening if we're going to be in any way honor the The agenda time so let me skip that for now um I think the most important thing for you all to do is to decide on a path forward to complete the plan uh and I I elicit when in a conversation with um staff I talked about a sort of continuum of options one of which is that the staff Just takes it on and drafts the remainder of the plan and then presents it to the board um A sort of middle position would be that the circles work independently of each other and then come back with More work within each area. Uh, thank you Jen for sharing that Maybe Circles work work independently report back to the board as a whole and then the board as a whole ratifies Probably mostly ratifies the proposals made by each individual circle Uh, and then the other end of the spectrum is that the the board and staff Maybe with my support or maybe not Get together for another three-hour session at least and work collectively to um flesh out and finish out the plan So I think that in a perfect world you would have another Retreat session and just keep working in that really productive way where everybody's present and contributing My guess understanding the way people's lives are is that that's Maybe unrealistic expectation And one of the things I appreciated at the retreat was the energy that folks were bringing to it in that moment and I think If i'm in your shoes, I would opt for Returning to that energy and completing the plan Sooner so you don't lose momentum. And so I I would I recommend you go with The circles practice working within each circle independently Bring that work back to the board as a whole and then the ratify Um, so further fleshed out plan as soon as you can But that's a discussion We can have right now or you all should think about it internally and I think that the One of the questions there is Do you feel like you have the um You know when you get together as circles, do you have the clarity to be able to work efficiently through this? Uh, you know work on additional goals and objectives Or do you need more support and I when I work with clients? Especially organizations like yours. I try to say, you know, you want to You want to fire me as quickly as you can right the more the more Internal ability internal capacity you have to do this work. You should do it if you can That's not saying I'm not available. I love working with you And then maybe maybe before we address that in a discussion, we just scroll to the next page gin So the second page of that I just I pulled an example Of one of the concrete pieces that came out of the retreat The goal was and I press I edited this a teeny bit but systemized training and accessibility For the equipment and the studio So that's a desire to be more effective more uniform more efficient in sort of internal operations Since as far as I understand it And then working backwards from there. Well, how would you accomplish that you would Create a playbook and or a curriculum and then practice that in With camera operators with independent producers with, you know, any sort of hard technical user of your facilities and equipment and then Two ways that two two actions you were going to engage with to contribute to that one was to inventory the equipment and you'll understand what you have and What might need be needed for training on specific equipment? And then the other was that understanding the Other organizations are are facing similar questions or have already solved similar puzzles And so making Literally field trips, you know visits to other public access stations to observe Their operations and you know, there are other ways they do things and learn from them And you listed I think in the session listed jam Factory and there's one other Franklin the right Pat Pat had that Pat was on this. Yeah, they they own their building. They built new right Okay, so Most I just wanted to illustrate this this way to to show I think sometimes it's helpful if it's a little bit more visual But these are the actions you would take You know, you make these field trips you would inventory your equipment Uh, probably staff mostly would put some thinking into what is the you know, what do we need to train folks on? and then You know the piece that I added in there was was use the curriculum and refine it because Even if you make a playbook, you know, you know, Zach's going to start training people In a sort of stepwise uniform fashion and Zach's going to realize. Oh It actually, you know, this this element is not detailed enough and then this element is superfluous And so you'll refine it over time but the I like this one because it's quite concrete and I also like it because it suggests to me that over time this will Increase the professionalization of your production and it will also decrease the burden on staff to sort of do corrective stuff or or sort of ad lib Training because you can be more confident in the skill set of your producers and camera operators So we scroll back up to the next page. So just going back to that first page um I would say open open open mic open floor for What what process do you think you want to take on to try to close there the strategic planning out? do you want to Do another retreat either with me present supporting you or not Do you want to work independently within the circles? and then report back to the board or do you want to uh delegate this to the staff and then um, and the reason I the reason I'm not advocating for that option though I have a lot of respect for the staff is that Part of what I think is exciting and proving to be successful about your your social advocacy model is that This board is quite engaged and and at the retreat the board was quite engaged And I think a strategic plan is more likely to succeed when everybody who's involved in carrying it forward was involved in designing it You see that Did you want to have a suggestion? I personally would like to get back with our individual circles now that I understand a little bit better from the strategic plan what we should be thinking and and doing and then have a strategic planning meeting I think that would be very beneficial because I learned a lot and I'd like to focus on the circle Uh What's the word I'm looking for The circle objectives and then get back to the strategic plan That's yeah, I think that's a real natural given that we're coming into an off month and co-directors could just Um, call together their individual circle at a time that works for people we don't have to Pick one night that works for the full board, right? Um, considering I haven't done any Christmas shopping yet. I just wanted to put that in the minutes Not any but that's fine. None zero. So is that is that there's there's two yeas for circle work in january and then uh reconvening Um I see jessica's thumbs up I mean this this would not require emotion. This is just sort of our consensus of how we how we want to I agree. I'm not sure if you can see our in person thumbs up. David. All right great All right, so this just sounds like by acclimation. Um co-directors will uh call call their circles together Uh in january and that's you know No need for quorum Remo it's it's just a nice little the last one um was really Really useful the prior to the strategic planning meeting Where we had this long laundry list and and telling you and figuring out what pieces go together So no in terms of your question. Nathan. I feel like this group that there's already some decent to good functionality in these these you know infant circles um and just thanks for uh on that other page Picking that concrete objective. Um just to visualize That's also a nice one because it pretty it's it falls almost like completely within the facility circles some of our other goals will have messy or overlap, but um It just in terms of like digesting it picking one that is pretty cleanly It doesn't have much of any if any overlap is uh helpful Yep, great And just to uh clarify are you then you'll then reconvene in february do regular board business and also commit some time at that meeting to do some collective work within the board Yeah, and imagine assess if we like boy, do we need to use our march off month in a in a way that's More a full group versus circles I think I think there'd be an assessment piece because we certainly can't Talk in a full on strategic planning meeting within a board meeting, but um That response made sense Yes, I did that's great All right I did a lot of yeah, I did a lot of talking. I was gonna ask any of you had questions and sounds like David does So, uh, you've used this format before step by step circles and that idea and and a creative plan Do you have any copies of other creative plans? so I think I said send some examples to the staff A lot of times what I've you know What I've done is I'm supporting a group in retreat like we did We make it to a certain degree and then that the staff of the staff and board take it forward from there um The other way to answer that is that in uh, Christopher, especially has in lead up to this process You know had other examples that that he drew upon there's the Uh Was it rural Vermont? Right, and then there was one other yes Right, and so we looked at rural vermont and then Kellogg covered Right, and so The so the other thing is about the structure of it in terms of the product and uh, the rural vermont example was more of a matrix You know, which is somewhat the model that that I think jen who's been organizing them the Table, I think it was Kellogg. Hi birds was the matrix like the grid. Yep. Okay, right so in rural vermont it was already practicing such a such accuracy and so um One of the asks so christopher was is it possible to to take whatever product you all come up with or we come up with and Make it visually appealing in that way, which i'm happy to do But it it's we're not at that stage yet. Yeah, no, I just And I think with the middle product looks like well, and I think that the I think no, obviously my graphics graphics tonight are quite simple, but I actually think Less is more it's really helpful to be succinct and have clarity And that's the other the other thing that we did at the retreat was to Was I was coaching heavily that you not extend this timeline too far But there's a lot there's actually a fair amount of transition happening Uh within the organization and to give that Um give that time to mature and then see where you are in 18 or 24 months so but David think In terms of a final product what I've seen what I've heard staff asking for is almost a one pager Yeah, it needs to be that type that if it's on one page Any one of you can talk off of it to a constituent right within your within your move, etc. Okay. Thanks Christopher is that uh have I done justice to some of the conversations you're oh, yeah, I mean I think that that's Yeah, that's the the dream. I don't know that, you know, one one will get to that point because that's also a great spelling Document that we can share with Yes, for sure. Yeah, just having one page Okay with a lot of information packed in Well, I think I think if you worked on it together, uh, you can have a lot of shared understanding and then The one page can be more spare because you've done the work collectively you don't need to be Explained you right and I'll and I think that's something I could probably design myself but I think It's a matter of like how we get And or or like when we know we're ready to like, you know to To put it to the presses or whatever Yep Okay any other You know from the board any other questions or reflections? Uh, this is CJ. Obviously I was I was the missing person my only this looks um looking at the plan and uh, but appreciation Just this is the thought And it's I'm bringing this from some of the other organizations. I'm involved with I see a lot of investment in You know youth this youth that which is great The knowledge Of the elderly and the experience of the elderly is being lost in probes And we are one of the places that could capture it and on some of the other Organizations I'm with older people are some of our best volunteers and most active people Sometimes they have more time and incredible knowledge and energy So just something to See if uh If without overextending whether the the youth media programs Especially if the programs can be similar enough to not overstress this draft Look at an old an elder an older media Elder media program Um specifically targeted at capturing and recording Some of this uh this knowledge and experience that's going away. That's it Interesting I think that we did have discussions in the outreach group about getting in touch with the senior center the Montpelier senior center and um as as one idea along those lines, but that's absolutely true Sure, and I'll add that we definitely work closely with the Montpelier Senior activity center already and you know, we support them in a number of ways with virtually every event that they do put on and and I think that um We yeah, we could always do more to bring them into our space I'm actually looking at them as media as content creators, which is something that Is a little different than covering the senior center events. Um So I would caution us To avoid actually doing strategic planning it at the end of a of a war Leave these discussions for that january circle. We've already identified Absolutely, we're going to move the ball next, but thank you. This is where we pay you the big bucks, mike Well, I'm just you know Trying to respect you're absolutely right time and we and we thank you for getting that on the table We'll make sure it it gets You know Talked through more robustly in a more appropriate form, which we've already designated um, do expect co-directors to outreach And they'll have a proposed meeting time in january February we're locked for uh the 27th fourth tuesday DJ which circle are you part of on the board? Um, jen you moved me someplace uh that you needed more people But you have not seen as much Um participation due to the fact that some stuff came up and I've been slammed Jen do you remember where you ended up sticking me? I think I started out as something like policy and you moved me someplace else I feel like and I'd have to just double check But I think you start off in policy and we may have moved you to outreach But or it may have been outreach to policy So I think it was outreach to policy something like that. Yeah, it is outreach to policy. I do know that because we were yeah And they kicked me out. They kicked me out of outreach I think I think that was because rachel left you offered to join But if your heart's in outreach and the senior center stuff would be an outreach I mean it's with the expanded board. It's not it's not so much as of a triage thing as it was go ahead nathan Well, the reason I raised it is, you know jen pointed out we didn't have a lot of time to For the whole group to interact around some of these ideas and Um, just because you happen to be in an outreach circle and doing that work as your main focus doesn't mean you can't send suggestions Or have a one-on-one conversation with somebody in another circle In fact, that's going to be really productive and if you can do that in your off month in addition to doing your own circle work The conversation you have in february will be either more productive and efficient So I I appreciate cj. Uh, you raising that idea Although I agree with with michael. We probably don't have time to explore all that but I think that I want to In case you need your permission, I want to give everybody permission to reach outside the the circle that they're operating in Yeah, yeah, the circles are not silos. Good point And I'm sorry to also add a side note, but I would love to say that, you know, just like what paleon is doing with taking on, uh, you know, a special interest and making a Uh, the show as a community producer who happens to also be a board member Um, anybody's welcome to do that. I think that like that's that kind of relates to the capacity issue that nathan brought up It's like if you have a great idea and you want to coordinate and organize it, please, you know, that's what we're here for That's what we're here for. Uh, yeah That's who you know cj. Thank you. Okay. I I think that's all for me And you are our final agenda item um so with clarity on january and february I do believe, um We're at the point of adjournment Well, we read on february 27th, right Fourth tuesday back to the fourth tuesday. Yes, right good and expect outreach from the co-director of your circle for a january I will move to adjourn It has so been moved at uh 8 13 By acclimation You bet Alrighty, um, that was we got a lot done a budget approved clarity on the next step for strategic planning and the the uh That new that new account is is is going to get launched Great. Um, yeah, here's to here's to 24 coming up and enjoy all your holidays See you all take care Happy holidays. Thank you Yeah, bye. Bye