 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa first conversation It's on the Anambra elections will go straight to the conversation now. I neck is saying they are prepared to have this election Come the 6th of November 2021 and let's not forget that there's a seated home or there by the indigenous people of Biafra I pop which started or we should start on the 5th of November through the 10th of November However, I purpose saying we have not called that the election should be there should be a boycott of the elections now On part of government the president is saying we need an overwhelming presence of security in an Ambra state Of course, we've also seen deployment and redeployment of you know, please Personnel across to ensure that that elections happen. So this would be the crux of our conversation this morning We do have a guest who's joining us all the way from Abuja. We'll put up on Kota area It's good to have you join us this morning on the show Okay Once again, thank you for joining us. Let's go straight to the crux of this conversation Do you think of course I neck is saying we are ready Everything is ready for the elections. We have deployed resources the manpower the material and what have you for the election? But the question here is do you think I neck is ready to conduct this election free and fair come the 6th of November, of course I had a conviction that I like to be prepared for the conduct of the another government elections But what I can't say for sure all amount of certainty it's whether it's about to be The referendum of the people we are at the end of the day where is also announced and if it's prepared well given the precariously convoluted situation up. No, sir. No, no, that's the Orchestrated by the federal government I'm tested by the seat at home order by I pop a lot of people will be scared to call Because we all know what has happened to all those that have come out For one reason or the other I don't see whether to win yesterday for the day before a security What are the people call? This people look at security man one of those shot that on the way to the market to make some purposes very something So if you talk of three and said I like to be ready I like to prepare For the conduct of the electors not just in November, but in any part of the country that I am sure But the election in the reflection of the people's will That is a bit about them all together because I don't feel anything and I'm very out to come out on that day to cut the boat and so the governor that might eventually make Might be a little but an electric to the government and that might serve more prices Okay, but there's also some concerns about the fact that you know voter to some point voter registration Suspended due to some circumstances that we are in the know of so I mean looking at all of this Are you sure that we're going to really have it very correctly? I Is Persuasion I don't think so On the part of I make yes, but I'm even if you talk about that's an issue. How many people will come out? to renew their voter's registration or to get registered. You know, a lot of them, there is this fear, the air is so clear, we so much fear. And so nobody wants to risk this life just for an election that a lot of them believe, even in a serene environment, might not be a clear reflection of their will, of their expression. So it is not a vote beyond INEC, which is a student exercise, it has to do with how many people are ready to come out and register and also cast their votes. That is clearly the problem. Okay, let's move away from that now, about the preparation of the elections and the fact that INEC has given the assurance that the elections would hold calm the 6th of November in Anambara State. Let's talk about the seat at home order that's been put out. Now, there's also another angle to this. I propose saying we're not asking the people to boycott the elections, but there's a seat at home order. But with all of this, do you see people turning out for the elections? What are your expectations? What do you see? A Frankenstein must have been created. And sadly, it is as a result of the braggadocios attitude of the federal government, the lack of facts, lack of intelligence in addressing these issues. Let us take the Oguni issue for example. Karen Sarua was killed how many years, decades ago. Yes, Shell is finally difficult to go into good enough response. Certain fights, certain revolutions, go beyond the starters, those who started that revolution. You read Ernest Hemingway, where he said, it's a literature book, where he said a man can be destroyed, but not defeated. It has gone beyond the Nandecano. I can tell you that if today in Nandecano decides to renounce IPOC, they will be killed by the state members and the IPOC struggle will continue. And that is because of the poor handling by the federal government. So it has nothing to do with the IPOC situation. And a lot of people are being deleted by the fact that most of the IPOC's come on earth to condemn Nandecano. In secrecy, they are within. Because when we have the Ninder Delta, the militancy, trouble here. I know I can tell you exactly what's happened. Those who went on earth to say the militants are condemning them. We are secretly sponsoring those militants. Because they believe that Nandecano is ours, is a symbol of their struggle. And as somebody has gone on today to come out and ventilate earlier with you. So most Biafans are happy with the Nandecano. You can imagine the Biafans sending a former governor to go and represent them in courts. This has gone beyond Nandecano. It has gone beyond IPOC. It is like the June 12th. Biafans symbolize June 12th, but people struggle for Nigeria. So this is a struggle for the Biafans. And because of the poor handling by the federal government. So it's not about whether IPOC said those things happened. They have always said Nandecano never, even he has been with detention. Did he ever speak from detention? He was not allowed to speak from detention. But yeah, look at what is going on. But Nandecano cannot stop this movement anymore. He cannot stop this movement anymore. What do I expect the federal government to do? Why are you always reviving bandits? Other than defend bandits? Are you going to challenge even the president on the issue of bandits? Yes, he will not allow the people leaders to have access to Nandecano. You don't question the situation. You are proving to the people that you have done so much. It is beyond Nandecano has to speak right now. It is beyond IPOC has to speak right now. That is what is going on. And that is why when IPOC comes out to disown the seat at home, you still wonder that he knows. And also that criminal elements are also exploiting the situation. People are also exploiting the situation. You remember a boy who killed his own father for going against the effort. But the situation is beyond IPOC. It is beyond Nandecano. That is the truth about it. Okay, so but do you think that the elections would hold? I wouldn't. I don't know. You are asking me to push something. I don't know if the elections would hold. Okay, because it's a conundrum. If it doesn't hold, it simply means the federal government has capitulated or the federal government has been overwhelmed. And no government wants to be overwhelmed by any form of insurrection or whatever you call it, an evolution of protest. No government in the world. Don't doubt about that. Then if it goes on, nothing, either of this will happen. The people will sit at home. And so only INEF will go and at the end of the day, will pack their materials and everything and leave without in the L.S. Or they have to be blocked shut. Because those that will come out of town, they will attack those that exist on the ship. So it is very precarious, we say conundrum. And this is because, like I like to say, the federal government says in this case as a way to prevent the federal government from hyping up. Like we already himself said, it's going to be like a drop in an ocean. How can the president let's fix the promotion statement? On daily basis, you name the burden on the levels of bankruptcy. What they went through, that is to go home. What are we going to be doing there? And usually, I believe that when the president and his cohort were going about trying to destroy bankruptcy by all means, they forgot that they were going to run a lecture. A day like this will come. It's almost like they don't work on it. So if you ask me, I will not consider you have to consider it. Because either of these will happen, they are going to sit at home, when I mean they are going to talk about the east, I am not a diapere. They are going to sit at home, because I am from the university, so I am a diapere. That's one disagreement that I am going to have in the country for another day. But if they don't sit at home, if you have never been attacked, although that will, what kind of security I am going to talk about. So I am going to say, how many security, you have militarized the whole group. You have sent how many security men, personnel to that place. Let us see what will happen. Don't confess that there was a major state function. I think it is in the hope of the mass state function. We are invited in person. And people did not come out. Apart from his own colleagues. Apart from his own affairs they are doing. People did not come out to receive the person. Look at bank, at the institution, we are going to sit at home. Even when I talk, it is only in that order. We are going to sit at home for that. So how do you explain this? How are you going to go about it? Just because of one stupid arrogance or a trade to have for people. This matter would have been nicked in the board. It would have been addressed long ago. Long ago. Let's talk about the cause. You give Gumi everything, all the advantages. If you without a federal government to implement, Gumi was going to visit the bandits. And what challenging Mr. President of so many others on bandits. I probably declared a terrorism too. But these great criminals and terrorists I have not declared. Rather they are granting them amnesty. What kind of mana co-selegation and change is committed? Are we talking about in this country? Every spirit revolts on tyranny. When a man is pushed to the wall, a person is brought to the double level. That is the truth. The truth aligns with that. You will never believe the kind of strength you have to use. That is what is going on right now. Within the federal government. We have seen the overwhelming presence of security in Anambra state ahead of the elections. We have seen the fact that 34,000 police officers have been deployed. You also have the fact that there is redeployment, re-jigging of the security architecture. Just to ensure that. Do you think that this is a very good approach in our elections generally and in the Anambra state elections? Even if it works. Even if it is true, it works. To me it is an elite there or a best. You are not addressing the issue. You are not getting to the root of the project. Okay. Now you are deploying. Anambra is just one state in the east. Now you are deploying this number. When we are going to have the general elections in 2020, what are you going to do? Where you have a move what are you going to do? Lack of intelligence. Lack of thinking. What are you going to do? What will happen? Of course. Consciousness power means powerless conscious. Before my last press but the latter last. That is what is playing out. What will happen when the order is and states will have elections simultaneously with all the other states in the country. That is what I am saying. We don't start with good things but this is something that you have stated through negotiation. Through negotiation. There cannot be any other that there is a threat. I am not an ego man. I am a universal man. But truth must be told that there is a great threat for the ego man. Not just by President Mohammad Uighur but whatever is it I don't know. In his case it is worse. In his case it is worse. The same way he tried to steal Umarudiku what he did to the whole Nandekan. But the DCP is being invited they are shooting him. He is being isolated. The 10th best of justice must not blow 15. Because that in itself is injustice. He has refused to declare the fear leaves and those headsmen and Boko Harama banished terrorists. When it was in Uighur he declared a terrorist coup. Nandekan was in detention. The world is watching. The world is watching. That is the truth. Otherwise the ebos are ready. Obama said he was going to visit. They should be allowed to visit. Just before we proceed. Just before we proceed. So he wanted to visit Nandekan in prison. They said no. They said no. This is prison. And that is the problem. You have said that the president hates the ebos people and that is a very strong word. That is a very strong word. When you say the president hates the people yes it is a strong word and when you say the president hates the people of ebos how do you describe that? What instances? What indices can you use to measure hatred? Because at the end of the day let's also be realistic. Elections ought to happen. We do have a right and elections. Everyone has a right to vote and be voted for. And we cannot take up the fact that during elections we have elements who would always our elections have never been free of violence. So you have people who would always come to cause violence and cause chaos during the elections. Are you saying that the deployment of police or security personnel across to Anambra state is an example of hatred by Mr. President to the Ebo nation? It is if it is an example an example yes I will say yes because these are issues you see when you say But should the elections because I want to also understand but should the elections should we have no security? I am asking you I am asking you a question yes I said if you say an example I did not say yes I said an example I agree why I said it could be an example although you have a electoral other issue to go some other why I said it could be an example is because this is one issue that ordinary would have been state of if Mr. President have included in addressing the issues it is simple when you say a man has animosity for a particular person because it is not just one instance you have instances and I can list if you give me time go ahead you have time okay very good now let us look at I use the issue of the ban between many times is it alone community also we are the federal government sent military troops and they banned the community killing innocent people at the end of the day they could not arrest anybody who is an iPod member not one life should have gone and that was the end of it but in the north what do they do even if this is a problem because another one is a problem everywhere they come up with a special script of collateral damage what of the children where you went to bomb in the east and there are no kids no wives that is one aspect of it what development is actually going on in the east the blues you are talking about man was commenced by a good look that is it and if you talk of after the war you talk of rehabilitation you talk of integration have the ebos been actually fully rehabilitated rehabilitated talk of political appointments an ebo man apart from the positional requirement obligation of a ministerial appointment an ebo man that is handling a sensitive position in this government I want to know one the list can go on but it would not be I think it is not right it is not right you can actually say that in terms of appointment the people being carried along fairness in appointment and what a view but it would not be right to say that that is hatred I have to please give me a better definition of hatred why do you deny people their rights well like I said like I said because if you look at all of the instances that you have mentioned yes there has been a lot of conversation about the fact that yes maybe the president this current president is nepotistic and the issues of not yes the people of the south east have been marginalized over time amongst other tribes not just them so I don't think that it is a normal there is enough for us to say that that is hatred for the people but I think that we need to move on let's just move on mercy their case is worse please let out the front their case is worse there is worse yes everybody who is marginalized but there is worse I like that we might just move away from this conversation because we might just be going back and forth but let's also look at some other issues Nadia the conversation of having a thought for us people are constantly Nigerians are complaining not people Nigerians are complaining saying oh we are tired of having the two dominant political parties you know calling the shots in different states and at the national level now we have the ABGA we have PDP, APC we have the YPP, the Accord Party and the Action Alliance and the Zenit Labor Party with some candidates Chukuma Saludo Valentine, Andrew amongst others Madukah these are candidates how would you rate the strength of these candidates and these parties in the unambarrassed elections come the 6th well I know you have good analysis because I don't know any one of them apart from what is in public domain so I cannot tell you this is the best of course you all are good you all are full of rapsody rhetoric I want to get into the complete and thesis of their promise so I cannot tell you Mr A is good, Mr B is good Mr C is good Anambarias know them they are also one of the Anambarias they are part of the Anambarias so the Anambarias know them and that is why a reverse man will not get up to go to Anambarias state to cast a vote for a governor because he already knows what is the politics of Anambarias what Anambarias will need except he was born and bred here or he said he will look at it so I cannot tell you I am going to give you a death analysis of knowledge of any of the candidates not at all that will be fortunate I don't think I can do that but in the right position to tell you who should be the governor of Anambarias state because the most problem person there to me, only two persons sorry, the problem people there to me are Oban and Soludo but let's just say Soludo's performance are CDN government but they are two different things all together one is purely a professional job being a CDN government this is not what is politics this is what you are dealing with papers, seagulls and so on the economy should speak this is what you are dealing with people and things and with a broader perspective I don't think I will be in better position if you don't perform on the performance as a legislator we all know that he is not an orator and we all know the circumstances surrounding the election thank God today he has an LLB so there could be some restraining factors but if you tell me in terms of performance as a governor if you talk of leadership I can tell you but not Anambarias we are not talking about performance here we are talking about the strength now first of all you have mentioned Soludo let's talk about the political party here now Soludo under the Abgar we are talking about the parties now yes, party as well as the candidates but you are saying that because you don't know them personally you can't comment let's talk about the party now that these persons are these parties that are contesting this election if I please I think I might be wrong but I think either Abgar or or I don't know who is even the APC candidate I don't know who is the APC candidate but Abgar APC candidate is Andubar Andubar is the APC candidate Andubar is very good either Abgar or APC will take it if I have to presage Abgar or APC I don't see these other parties I think these other parties will take advantage but Abgar or if I say Abgar because Soludo is a permanent man Abgar is a ruling party in Anand Brass Beach it is also called Andubar Andubar is also a governor and a permanent man and PDT no, I don't think PDT will take Anand Brass Beach I don't think so that APC has done a good job campaign, good job campaign I don't see him as somebody that as we say Nigerian power is on ground I don't think so I think it is between Andubar and Chukumas Soludo Okay, as we begin to cross the conversation now let's still stay with security because a lot of concerns have been raised regarding security of the elections and those who would participate in the elections do you think that with the deployment of this security personnel we will actually there's a guarantee of security of lives and properties especially of those who will go out to vote or cast their vote on that particular date or what would rather happen or will we have a situation where people would not come out I think we are going to discuss this in our earlier conversation with the opening of this conversation Abgar, the truth is yes, we have enough security to protect people that will go out to come and vote but how many will have who will be vicious to not to come out to cast their vote that is the problem but I am disappointed in that but how many but we are also going to have cardinal because the way I see this I4K4 they are ready to bear the lion but it will not be as high as it would have been without the deployment of this security personnel but there is a situation where people are gathered at the polling unit and from nowhere there is a bomb just to kill those who disobey the seat at home order I perceive such thing happening it will not assume in the dimension of that it will not in the absence of security men it will not and a lot of people will be scared to go out to cast their vote a lot of people and don't also forget it will be a casting of vote on that day it will be whoever went out to cast his vote will be dealt with even later I don't need to say such kind of scenario okay you went out to cast your vote, didn't you we are going to come for you so these are the fears that will don't a lot of people from going out to cast their vote and that's why it is agreed with terminus me that the turnout will be at this moment extremely poor extremely poor I also say that in some polling units you are not going to have voters you will find the elector there I am quite I believe I am not quite sure I strongly believe that in some polling units you might not be able to find a single voter there you don't find the security men and no number and coming out to cast it so is there anything that can be done that we have today is the 29th we still have the 30th 1st, 2nd, 3rd the 4th, 5th just before the 6th is there anything that can really be done to ensure that we have a free, credible peaceful elections in Annabra come November the 6th and that's because whatever really happens the Annabra election would be a reflection of the 2023 elections so do you think anything can be done yes, yes it is better than never something can be done what Mr. Pryan needs to do is to invite the Igbo leaders the likes of the former governor who was provided for managing the country of Annabra state I think it is the Igbo and some other prominent Igbo Igbo leaders invite them to also and also allow them to have access to Annabra County and let Annabra County make a speech let them address the Igbo's even if it is going to be from detention let them address the Igbo's it will go a long way for Annabra's videos in Annabra County they are not commanding Annabra County they are pleading with it so that would tell you that Annabra County is now powerful and all the townals in the east is full of us it is unprecedented not even a Zikwe have that kind of full of us you know it is being seen as a messiah so all you need to do is invite these Igbo leaders talk to them, please with them and also allow them to have access to Annabra County I am not saying in Annabra County they are not angry but that is the first step and they know what to say to him because you can't even go for example if you don't allow this to happen these are the consequences it is going to negate the essence of your fight they know how to say their Igbo's when the government takes this step you will find out that even if the government will begin to have seen that but not this when I don't just attitude myself where would you take me to so I agree make the president invite these Igbo leaders and also allow them to have access to Annabra County that is the first step then they can take it from there alright at this point in time I would like to say thank you for being part of the conversation we do appreciate your thoughts as we look forward to the Annabra government elections in Annabra and we also have reports saying that about 20,000 personnel of the NSCDC have also been deployed and so it's really going to be a lot of presence we are going to have a huge security presence during during the elections but if you think you have to be another NGA then you think so Annabra will be another NGA so I didn't get the thing yet I'm saying you had some thoughts to share while I was making the speech so I had to take a break for you to continue thank you sorry I said Annabra will be another NGA where he is going to train military personnel they should have another another college because with the number of personnel that are being deployed there that will be another NGA but that is not the solution that remains I keep saying that remains an exam it's not the solution you must confabulate you must get around to address these issues that is not the solution but that will solve the Annabra issue it's definitely not going to solve okay so at this point I'd like to say thank you once again for being part of the conversation thank you so much we do appreciate your thoughts and your time and we look forward to having more of this conversation with you as we proceed thank you and do not forget that you can be part of this discussion if you missed out on any of it you can follow us on our social media platform on Facebook where plusTVAfrica and on Instagram is at plusTVAfrica and YouTube you can find the conversation as well is at plusTVAfrica I am Messi Boko I definitely have a great day good morning