 Chief of Defence Staff General Locky Erebro announces the death of Vice-Chief Leader Abum Saab Al-Banau. Direct PRAMARIS is this what's needed to create a level playing field and save our political parties. Find out later on the show. And blessing Ocaq Ba'ayi in the spotlight for the wrong reasons. We'll talk about her failed drug test sometime this morning. Friday morning and we'll say thank you for joining us here on the Breakfast on PLOS TV Africa. It's the final episode for this week and we hope that you've had a very interesting run with us all through the week. I am Osao Ghee, O'Banwa. And I am Messi Ibubo. Thanks for joining us. As always we kick off the programme with talking about top trending stories and share with you some of the things that have created interesting conversations across the country in the last 24 hours. We're starting with issues concerning security with the of course the Chief of Defence Staff Major General Locky Erebro sharing yesterday that the leader of Icewap in Nigeria Al-Banau is dead. And of course this of course got a lot of reactions from people across the country with many of them celebrating. But of course you would also get to see a couple of those who say well you know it's pretty much the same way the Nigerian Army reported that Shakao was dead a couple of times and he keeps resurfacing but eventually was killed by the same Icewap. And just to give a quick history, Al-Banau apparently is the son of Muhammad Yusuf, the founder of Boko Haram. They broke out sometime I believe in 2016 and started of course joined forces with ISIS and set up the Icewap here in Africa and of course in West Africa to be precise. He then of course has continued to lead that wing. If you've listened to also our security analysts on the programme they've also tried to distinguish between the actions and the mode of operation of Icewap compared to Boko Haram and then of course the bandits and the likes in the north part of Nigeria. And so they've always had their own motives and their own mode of operation and of course have also been seen to be very very deadly. We've also seen a couple of the attacks on Nigerian Army officers and attacks in villages here and there you know of course must have heard them be committed by the same group. And so Al-Banau has been leading that group since they were formed sometime I believe in 2016. Abu Bakar Shakao was killed sometime early this year and of course reports have it that he was killed by factions from Icewap or you know it was a clash between both sides. Currently the Defence Chief, Lockheed Rabbo, has not been able to clarify exactly what led to the death of Al-Banau. But you know there is of course thoughts that it might also be internal clashes between the terror groups or maybe a reprisal attack from Boko Haram. No one is sure yet but of course I hope that we'll be able to find out more details and get to share with you. Well it probably would be a good one for the military and for Nigeria if that's really the case but as usual I think that the people of Nigeria I mean the Nigerian people have actually lost confidence because for every time you hear the government make pronouncement or you hear security agents or agency make pronouncement you find that a lot of people are in doubt so people begin to raise questions and it would be okay to say these questions are quite valid for me I would ask have they seen the body? Did they see the body? Or is it just here see how are we sure that he is dead? So it's also another thing I think that if he comes up with a lot of clarity talking about the details I mean what led to his death and let the people know that okay this is what happened and this is how it happened and they are able to confirm that yes we have seen you know the cops it would be a good one. Yes and I agree with that but for now I think he has stated that he is dead I think he is sure. There's also reports that he had died sometime in September actually didn't happen in the last couple of days I saw someone share some information saying that he had died sometime in September but it only became confirmed today and of course earlier sometime in September when the news broke very very likely that Abanao was killed I saw he did come out to deny that even if he himself Abanao didn't show face to say okay that is a false story but now that the defense chief has said it they still haven't responded or said anything concerning that so it might be actual confirmation that he is dead Maybe we just need to give it a few more days or thereabouts and see if I understand the lack of trust with words from the Nigerian army but I personally would like to somehow believe that each of you is dead but of course the important questions moving forward are what next and does this in any way affect the strength of ISWAP as a terror group does it in any way affect the ability to continue to cause harm against the Nigerian state and commit crimes against the Nigerian state and terrorize Nigerian people and people in the legit region also and also will someone then be taken over from Abanao Well you know like with every organization I mean if you look at really their structures so if you see the operations of the security I mean of these terror groups over the time or over the years you would find that they have a very structured pattern so I'm not sure that Paraventure he is dead for real I'm sure that there's a plan to have someone else who would take over I mean so it might necessarily not really really impact on the activities you know they have a lot of membership, followership I'm sure that there would be someone who is in command if you like to say I would like to say a lot more local devils between these groups and I mean fights in between these terror groups let Boko Haram continue to attack ISWAP let ISWAP continue to attack Boko Haram until they completely reduce their numbers and you know they kill themselves off because this is not a death that is sad for anybody I'm sure even including Abanao's family this is a death that should be celebrated the same way the world celebrated when Osama bin Laden was killed and a couple of ISIS leaders across the world that have also been killed by the US and by foreign forces there was celebration so I'm thinking we should have the same reaction here unfortunately this is not our only security challenge and so there's still Boko Haram, there's still the banditry there's still a couple of these groups here and that have continued to wage war against the Nigerian states the news also I believe that five soldiers were killed in the last 48 hours and so there's still security concerns and we shouldn't besides celebrating yes that one major factor one major person in these groups has been killed it shouldn't let anyone relax and feel like the war is over it's not won yet and we will continue to fight definitely so moving away from security now let's talk about Marie Dwana and this is Bonoboi as a result of I mean that just has actually been making the rounds where he granted an interview in Los Angeles talking about the fact that yes everyone is smoking weed but the truth is Nigerians are hypocritical I love Bonoboi a lot I'm a great fan but you know as it is you can actually have absolutes you know absolutes they are related so I think that I would like to fault him on that to say that everyone is smoking yes you probably might just have a vast majority smoking but you can't say everyone is actually smoking weed at a time so on that particular one I mean because it would just be hasty generalization it's possible that if you run your statistics you say out of a hundred if you're looking at you're talking about percentage you could probably say okay about 80% but how how are we sure so for him to just make that pronouncement I don't even think you can say 80% I think no I'm just saying that was him you know just exaggerating you know and you know trying to make you know he's trying to paint a picture that everybody obviously not everybody is I'm sure even people around him a lot of people around him who aren't you know using marijuana but he's trying to paint a picture you know that the Nigerian society really is hypocritical and I would agree with him there's a lot of you know people who do use marijuana and then you know and all the drugs but we you know always like to act you know like we don't which we as a society like to criminalize things that we indulge in you know very very much we of course like to create this false image of ourselves you know and then leave an entirely different life behind closed doors and that's what he's referring to but would you would you blame I mean would you blame the Nigerian people because I mean this is this is a culture let's not forget that this is Nigerian this is Africa and you know growing up in this part of the world you know there are do's and don'ts and what you have to do over time so I'm thinking that you know culture has a serious role you know regardless of what the you know the reason is might be culture might be religion might be you know my church said this or my mosque said this but that's you know doesn't change the fact that we're hypocritical because you know if you're hiding behind religion or culture or tradition to live a life you know on the outside and then going home to do what you truly want to do then it's still been you're still being a hypocrite and you know the point he's trying to make really is that he doesn't understand why it is an illegal substance in Nigeria when you know in other you know countries that have you know way you know better laws and you know have way better systems you know marijuana is not necessarily illegal yes with you know there's a you know level of the quantities that they use of course to make it illegal or illegal you cannot be you can't sell you know in large quantities or something like that but you know there's certain amounts that you can you know be found with in public and it's not a problem you know but like I said earlier on you know we're very big in religion we're very big in culture and if you talk about legalizing this substance I'm sure pastors I can't verify it doesn't need to be verified you're just I mean you're speculating have you found any I know pastors that use marijuana and so it's not listen I totally understand I totally understand where you're coming from the point I'm trying to make is with you know the level of hypocrisy in Nigeria this is not just marijuana it's pastors that use marijuana there's pastors that carry sex workers there's pastors and I'm sorry I'm going to be saying pastor because I don't know any imams or any you know Muslim leaders but pastors there's a lot of them that do these same things that will come out in public and strongly criticize same thing with our political leaders and people in national assembly, governors they do these same things that they go back to the national assembly and criminalize they do, they take part in these same things they use drugs I remember I remember in the news a couple of days ago a drug test should be compulsory for people contesting in Kano state for office I'm not sure which of the elections in Kano state that really just tells you how much usage there is and we keep deceiving ourselves one of the things that I want to understand with our making marijuana illegal is why exactly is there a problem in Nigeria and what way is it a challenge for the Nigerian society and what way does it lead to crime is it health related that makes it illegal it brings us back to the same thing I'm saying yes I totally agree with you that a lot of persons are indulging and were hypocritical about it because you know we want to put up a good face we always want to act like we're perfect and we have it all going together and I say you blame that on religion and you blame that on culture so that's it and because you know different kinds of religion that we do have until we would always hide behind religion would always hide behind all of that and begin to say I mean it reminds us of the conversation we had yesterday what is actually wrong or right so that's really the case but also asking why we haven't actually prioritized it or made it legal I would think it's just a matter of priority because at the end of the day if you want to look at it in the scale of preference the things that are bordering us as a country should that be a major concern absolutely not I'm not also pushing for it to be made legal I don't see the importance to be honest but the challenge that I have is what I find worrisome is the fact that it is illegal for one reason or the other maybe because of the security concerns and the picture that has been painted that people that use marijuana are more prone to crime or committing crime or maybe because of the health concerns what Andrea has not been able to answer any actual health questions so I'm not even sure why we do that but the challenge that I have is the fact that once you make a thing illegally in Nigeria it has given the Nigerian police that leverage to abuse Nigerian rights and there's so many many stories of people who are stopped on the road and searched like they have been confirmed criminals if you drive around lekkie at night because I live in lekkie if you drive around phase one at night once it's 10 p.m. from Wednesday to Sunday there's police checkpoints in certain places they don't look for crime on Monday or Tuesday sometimes even Wednesday but once it's a weekend and there's going to be a lot of people outside they set up their checkpoints and they start searching people randomly searching checkpoints searching people randomly looking out for ways that they can implicate them on something sometimes there's a tiny little bit of anything that looks like a plant they immediately say it's marijuana and then you're going to be arrested you have to bail yourself and some of all of that madness and that's how the Nigerian police and Nigerian security agents have taken advantage of things like that which makes absolutely no sense and so I don't necessarily need it to be legal but I think or need it to be legal but I think we need to have a conversation amongst Nigerians and find out exactly what of some of our laws that need to be to be changed or need to be spoken about more clearly instead of this is not this even ourselves as a country hopefully we get to that point where we get to talk about it and away from that this particular one we saw yesterday I mean when I actually read that story I was cracking up really really hard I mean about the picture of a young lady who was in a bus and she said the driver actually asked her to match the brakes we can share that picture it went viral across social media so they should be on your screen in just a few seconds a lady who of course was in a bus stay you have it she says the driver asked her to step on the brakes so he can get in the fight but I mean yes they will cry why don't you say it the way she said it make a good bit specific my opinion is not very good when I'm in front of camera you know when I'm with my family okay okay so the thing is so this is this is a very very serious serious issue that's not serious this is a very stereotypical Lagos picture this is some of the things that you can see in Lagos and just know that yes this is a city that you are in I've seen worse I've seen people who drive without actual fuel tanks and they have a 25 litre you know a jerry can in the back of the car I'm talking about Lagos buses now they have a 25 litre jerry can in the car where they of course where the four pump or four hose is connected to and that's how they move as their vehicles run I've seen all the pictures where you know someone was asked to help him change gear I've seen there's a video online even where the steering wasn't working the Lagos bus there wasn't working and so the driver when he tries to turn the conductor has to come down from the car and he uses his hands to turn the tires by himself so they can move in a different direction so it's a very very common you know Lagos story I really don't know what to say but you know every time I think about it and I just keep imagining the scenario I just you know keep cracking up because it's very funny now so for me what I thought about was what if she didn't match the brakes what's going to happen so eventually if she did not put her foot on that you know brake it's possible that the bus would be running and she could be in danger yeah so you know I mean I can't really really imagine if you were in that situation what you would do but it's just really about the madness that exists in the city you know and I'm not saying that in a negative way but you know the madness in Lagos you know and so anything that you see you just you know take it like that as part of your journey through Lagos you know and your experiences through Lagos there was a you know a new decree by the Lagosic government that you know Okada riders must use helmets and you see people using buckets to cover their heads I remember also when they when they banned bikes motorcycles in Lagos and they said that only dispatch riders and you know bikes of a certain class will be able to move across Lagos I remember that I saw people using their same bikes you know but they put some I think it was a refuse bin or something behind but rider you know just carry I mean they have something behind it so you might as well call it call it and the one that I saw recently that was really very amazing to me is you know some of these heavy duty vehicles conveying sensitive products like fuel and all of that so I saw this young lad he was just close to you know you know how you're trying to just move from one point to the other so behind this heavy duty vehicle that's a very sensitive product anything can happen and he was just leaning very comfortably and being transported from one point up until he got to his destination and in my mind I'm like what is going on same leg as where you know bus drivers will come out and strip naked because someone is trying to impound their vehicle you know and they would fight stock naked in the middle of the road drug daylight by 2 p.m. and you know hot sun and so these are these are you know things that you know Lagosians are alien to you they see this every day and you know it's just you know time for good laugh once again yes anyway Friday morning thanks for joining us once again we'll take a short break to off the press with G-Day Johnson to share his thoughts on some of the stories making headlines across Nigeria today