 All right, you're still watching Waze. So the limited funding, brain drain, lack of infrastructure and corruption are some of the challenges facing the Nigerian health care sector. And in he beating its growth, it is clear that there is a significant variation or rather in the quality and availability of health care services across the country, with urban areas generally having better access to quality care than rural areas. So now, although the Nigerian government has taken several steps to improve the standardization of the health sector, such as developing national standards for health care quality and safety, establishing a national accreditation system for hospitals, and developing training programs for health care workers, more needs to be done to ensure that all Nigerians have access to quality health care services and that medical practitioners are able to work in an enabling environment. So today, we're asking, how can we standardize the Nigerian health care sector? Please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us a WhatsApp or SMS to 08-1-803-4663. Open up phone lines very shortly, right? But I really want to hear your thoughts. So I did a quick research, or would I say just a quick scan through, right? There are a couple of things that happens in our medical facilities, right? And first of all, let us even first put the one that is hot and burning on the table, which is the death of this young boy that is alleged that a nurse had injected him, and afterwards he was dead. Two things that stuck out for me, if you take it from the angle of the health care sector. What qualifies or what is who is supposed to certify, that's the word I'm looking for, that somebody is dead? Do you understand? So can I just pick you up now? Maybe you just passed out. Or pick up somebody and the person just passed out and just take the person straight to the mortuary, or just go and bury, you don't know what I'm saying, or just go and bury the person. Like, is there no supposed to be a standardized process to, what's it called, birth and death? Do you understand, issue a death certificate, and that is a death certificate now that now warrants that body to be put in the ground, right? So that's one question on the health care side. Also, if somebody comes into your hospital, I said this yesterday, how a friend of mine almost lost her child because of a quack doctor that lost his license in the US, and he was able to practice. He's still practicing freely in Nigeria, right? There is a body that's supposed to regulate hospitals. But I looked at it, I said, OK, we are over 200 million people in Nigeria. Now, you have just about 40,000 plus by a fraction, functional hospitals and clinics across 36 states of the Federation of Nigeria. How are you able to cater, right? So if you then put a ratio, right, to maybe doctor to patient ratio, right? They said it's about 1 to 10,000 patients. More than that. So I mean, literally, how do we solve this problem, right? How do we ensure that our health care system is standardized? When I can wake up tomorrow and just go and say, I'm a nurse and inject people. Because that is what this MOBA's case has shown me, that anybody can just wake up and say, I'm the nurse and inject. So why are we not mentioning hospitals? Why are we not reporting hospitals? Yesterday, I took a story of somebody that went in for a minor surgery and came out with one kidney. These are things that happens all the time. The young boy that is small in test time went missing. Who have been identified as corporate and who have been arrested? So there's a lot of rock in the health care sector. And when you now hear people saying that, OK, the training facilities for doctors saying that they don't even have students to train anymore, because students want to leave and return. Why would they not go? Because their hands are tied. Because everything, they're overwhelmed with their own tasks that they're given. And the lack of regulation is really the issue. And I think it goes back to governance. I mean, the same way we're roads, the same way with the health care facility. I think the only time where we experienced a reasonable improve or a reasonable process was during COVID. And some pointed out that that's because the politicians didn't have access to leave the country. So everybody is stuck here. And so they were forced to put down their money and put things out in place. Some of them are hiring ambulances to stay in their house 247. And I mean, if it's the private health care sector, they were happy about that because that's more funds for them. But so far, that's been the only period. We don't have to get to a pandemic. We don't have to get to a point where everyone is going to die before you know that you should put structures in place that the common man can go to the hospital and come out alive. My dad went in for what? A blood transfusion that he literally said to me, oh, yeah, I'll come back. It takes a couple of hours. You do it, and then you return back to the house. And it was a big deal. Is it that you didn't check the blood group of the person? Why would you issue a different blood pack that is not in the same group to someone and you expect the body not to react? So why do we know our blood groups in the first place? Calm down. What was the story? The story was he went in for a blood transfusion and he was reacting to the blood and he died. What hospital? It's in my heart state. It's a general state and just in functioning. There was no, what can we possibly do? It was totally absurd. It was totally, because at the time I went to see him after a while, you know, my mom had told me oh, he's reacting to the blood. And I just couldn't wrap my head around it to say I don't understand. There's medical data before you issue blood. So why, you know, and if you notice that old person reacting to the blood, why wasn't he stopped at that point? Well, you know, at that age, there was, you know... How long ago was this? This was seven years ago. And there was little, you know, I could do. All I know is I just got a call in the morning because my mom slept in the hospital. And I was like, oh, your dad is dead. And I was like, okay. And you know, reading up a blood transfusion really is not that much of a big deal. Like, it's not, it's not. And there's several, even after that, there's several other cases that I've heard that people die from blood transfusion. Like, I mean, it's totally absurd. So the doctors, are they inadequate? Are they overwhelmed, you know, the WHO ratio as well as compared to other countries? I mean, outside the country is like 1 to 600. And in Nigeria is 1 to 40 something thousand. I mean, how does it work? I have doctors that live with me and trust me, they're exhausted and they're exhausted and they're enjoying the pain. Telling me, girl, we're living the country. These, they schooled, abroad schooled in Ukraine, you know, but then they're just, they're overworked, they're underpaid. You know, they can't even afford like a basic good structure for themselves. So, I mean, it's like there's nothing looking for them to look forward to, you know, being here, which is really sad. I mean, it's really sad because, okay, if we take it back to the young doctor that died, you know, that even brought up the conversation, he passed out, like how can you be working for 72 hours? So even if the doctor did not pass out, this is the case where you see that doctor forgot a needle, it hit somebody in the body. Because even if he did not die, how can you allow someone work for 72 hours stretch? Right? Of course he is a human being. And you see, this is the thing that sometimes, like it just breaks my heart because I just wish, you know, we are complaining and we're shouting about a death of a young boy, right? The Mubarak boy, but it says everything that happened to that boy, you can clearly see that it's a result of a failed system. Because if we had a situation where Nigerians, young Nigerians had other options, they had good options. So it is not just, I'm not just, what's it called? I'm not just picking entertainment just because I see that that is the only way. There are options, right? I can use my brain to make money. I can go to school, I make money. I can use my hand work and make money. But you check every young person now, even a two-year-old toddler would tell you that I want to sing, I want to be an entertainer. And this is what is happening now. There's a proliferation of what's it called, vulgar music in the minds of these young people that is feeding them, talking about sex, about drugs, about autism and all of that. And we have allowed all these things over the years. I do not expect that the system will be better. So when we talk about the government and we're telling them that, guys, this thing in the end, it will harm all of us, right? This is what we're saying. Why do we need to be doing candlelight procession, right? When in the first place, this person should not even be there. If there was a system, why would you just bury someone? Even the bending of his head in the coffin, I don't understand. No, I mean, look at that body that was taken out. Because I was saying that what body is supposed to, I think they said is the National Sensors Commission or so, that is supposed to certify the issue that dead certificate. So literally, it doesn't mean that anybody can just wake up and say somebody died. Abroad, your dog, God help you. Do you understand? Very true. Anything happened to the animals, I'm not talking about human beings. Let anything happen. Do you know that my sister raised chicken? She raised chicken in France, right? And she said that she cannot slaughter that chicken. She can't slaughter that chicken. If she wants to slaughter that chicken, you understand, say, oh, Christmas, don't come, make a loss. She can't slaughter that chicken. She has to take the chicken to the butchery. Those are the people that are authorized, do you understand, to slaughter the chicken. Because even down to the people that will pick up your trash, if they see, what's it called, feather inside there, you will come and answer questions. Even leaves, right? When they prune their whatever, their grass, they're not allowed to do anything to it. There's also come and pick it up. You can't burn it. Like literally these are people that understand life because even in that leaf there's life. And they value life. And they hold life there. Now not to talk of Nigeria. Human beings. I had a sister-in-law. Every time I talk about it, it's so painful. Because I remember then, my son is 17, I was breastfeeding when they called us that she had been rushed to the hospital. She was trying to have a baby. And we rushed down to the hospital and everything. Even while breastfeeding, I was able to give her because I can donate blood to anybody. They took out some blood and all of that. They had done the surgery and everything. I keep on saying that it is a neglect. And because we don't even report these cases, do you understand? Because now your father's death, nobody took it to the authorities. And the hospital is just still roaming free. Yeah, my mom had just said that. My sister-in-law died. So after the surgery, they took her to the ward, I mean the room, a private room. So we were exhausted because we were there overnight and you know, I was breastfeeding. I said, okay, no, let's just quickly rush over to the palms, quickly eat something, then come back. Because the hospital is a via here, right? On getting there, while we were at the pumps, I was so restless. I don't know what happened, but I was restless. I kept on telling them, hurry up, hurry up and eat. Let's go back. But then we got back. I just heard her breathing. Somebody that just came out of a surgery, right? They took out a preterm baby. You didn't even put any like monitoring what's equal to monitor her vitals. I just heard her breathing. I just said, why is she breathing funny? I kept on calling her neighbor, you okay, are you okay? I don't know what's, something just said lift. Do you understand? I was asking, is she cold? I was lifting the, cause they had covered her up. When I lifted that to the, it was blood all over the place. So all the blood that they had transfused, everything was just all over on the bed. She was soaked in the pool of the blood. That was how I started screaming at the nurse and that was the last I saw her. She died. Well, you see the thing is, everybody's in a state of money. Nobody questions. And that's why I'm happy with the movement of saying, what happened? Do you understand? Because what gives you the audacity? You can just give us a crappy story. Do you understand? What gives you the audacity to bury? Like literally if every hospital is charged with that responsibility of giving an autopsy report for every death, maybe they'll be a lot more careful. And you'll not be having the situation where you overwork your doctors. You will not pay them appropriately. But the funding from the government is not enough. I'm just frustrated. The funding from the government is not sufficient. So you have general hospitals that are pretty, I mean, might not be the best, but you have very good doctors there and they can handle the amount of people they're getting. I'm sure you know what it is to get, even maybe you want to do something there. You know, you probably have to know somebody to be able to, because the line and the queue is... All right, thanks for staying with us. Now, if we just tuned in, we're having a conversation around standardizing our healthcare sector. Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or what's up to do it. 1-803-4663. Our phone line is now open. The number to call, I don't know why it's not displayed, but the number to call is 07025007749. That's the number to call. Remember, you can join the conversation, just turn up the volume of whatever devices you're watching us from. I'm sorry if you don't have the number. We can't, I don't know why it's not displayed. All right, that's the number to call. So, I mean, I would say before the break that I will give you an experience I had with the government hospital. So something happened and someone was hit and, you know, broken leg and all of that. And by the time we got to the hospital, I kid you not, I saw nurses coming out and issuing drips inside the tiktok, the KKMNAPEP. They were infusing drip lines, you know, because they were people all over the ground. So even these facilities, right, I mean, we have a lot of abandoned buildings in Nikoi that you just see high-rise, multiple high-rise. Nobody's living there. And you see seized by Amcon and all of that. Why can't we convert some of these places into healthcare facilities? It comes back to funding, funding, funding. It's not the funding that is the problem, Mary. I think it is more of the, what's the code? It is more of the will to do it. Let's take our first caller for the evening. Good evening. Hey, what's up? I think we all got no day. Be coming down to realize this country you should follow either in office or wherever. I'm telling you. Don't smile. We all don't talk to parents in this country. I go over there first. Amen. You see, the issue is that a lot of things are off-creeps in this country. And if we start to bring our people to live tonight, we are sometimes, we are friends with the people of Lagantah. So, for that, we will live. But that's what the guys talk to us about, because we want to give our own. We say to them, don't talk to them at the gate. I'm not being honest with you. I don't get it. What is the price to give our own today? I don't know. What is the price to give our own? That's not the price to give our own. Young guys don't mind. Young guys don't mind. Now, please wait a minute. They care about human life. I mean, life, not people human. Whether they are animals, whether they are plants, whether they are human beings, they care about life in itself. Not a place where they don't care about life. In a country where it has been designed to survive, the design of Nigeria is not expected to survive. But in fact, we are surviving out of you understand, favor from our endurance. You understand? We don't design ourselves to survive. A lot of things are not in place. So those countries are being designed to survive, grow, build, expand, help others to grow too. We are being designed to come up, scatter, destroy ourselves, and end up zero. So we are trying to survive because naturally, we have people that can take in more than bring out little. You understand? We are trying to survive because in terms of all this kind of life. But for me, I understand that the fundamental of whatever you are talking about comes from the government itself. What is this? What is the ratio to a doctor to a patient? There is nothing you can do that somebody can work more than they can. If the doctor should not invest more than 6 to 20 days. When I come to Nigeria, I go to 200. I went to a general hospital. My dear, I cry. They brought a child to the patient that's the big thing. And also, I understand that there are people who don't do anything because the doctor don't care. He went to work because he worked for a delight. In a home to what he was, the only one doctor did. And then, doctor 90 something was. You imagine that. So, and I go to the hospital to see who was. Now, one doctor will be the anacologist. The one doctor everything you go to. Even if you get even 10 things, the one doctor. A lot of things are not working in this country but we have been designed to exist. So basically, it would exist no matter what. However, the system is going to be. So, this is a complaint that there is something in the pipeline to complain about. Also, I trust the lawyer but a better idea will come handy whether we do or we don't. But we need to tell the story one day Thank you. It's just so sad. Like, I can't even imagine honestly. I said this thing yesterday that the fate I have about sickness God will not let me to my back to be on the hospital bed. The only two times I've slept over night in the hospital. It is to just go and pop out a baby and come out. Anything that will make me sleep in the hospital God will not let me see it. Even the private hospitals are freaking. It's not even about the expense now. Okay, the sister in law I told you that. Do you know what the bill was about 16 years ago? Do you know what the bill was? And not only it's not even about the expenses. It's the fact that nobody even checks. Do you understand? It's just like the problem we have with education. We do not have standardized private schools because right now even the government, even if they say no, those are standard schools. Can they absorb the students that will be hanging from the shutting down of those schools? It's the same thing with hospitals. So I don't understand how a government will continue to promise the same thing for decades. Like are you guys not even ashamed? Are you not tired? You go to all these countries, you see the standards you go and use their facilities. Can you not say that let it be a thing of pride that these things are happening? No! How to eat? I promised myself I was not going to eat for myself. I mean, I don't know it's a very sad situation to be honest and every time we have to talk about the government I feel very reluctant about it because it's like we come out here we come out here let me take Loma. It's the same thing we'll say we'll keep repeating ourselves for decades I think I'm not tired Loma, are you there? Good evening Good evening Thank you for calling, good evening Go ahead As a youth passionately standing down we'll pass a code and get into the ground and make sure that the policies are not explain if we can bring out but if we are to go by the way the plaintiff will not go in there to fight the case There are no more women as the bosses are no more women than before. Once you're sick, you go to the doctor. Don't tell the warden, don't talk to the man who will get you a free woman. So we can only bring you standardize our health system. If we bring back the experience of warmness. Thank you. Thank you, Loma. You see, when he was talking about Ebola, you know that Ebola is a big mass sickness. You understand? You know, because they knew that if we don't tackle this thing, we're all... The same thing with COVID. The same thing with COVID. The same thing during COVID. Do you understand? Because they couldn't... The people who have money or people who have access to fly out and give themselves... They couldn't fly out. They couldn't fly out. So it's either you want to die or you fix this problem. You know, and everybody was on their toes. So if it can work, you know, in a pandemic that way, I believe that if they actually do put effort, if they put, you know, the right structure and funding it to it, we will get better. But it's not going to change overnight, though. But I mean... Be that, Mary, do you think that the government, if they put up a law... Because we're trying to find the solution to how we can standardize our healthcare sector. If they put up a law that says that you cannot travel out of this country as a government official. I think they've said that. They've thrown it out several times. You understand? If we put that law... No, no, no, as a serving government official. Okay. Not us. We think we're not in our money now. But the... As long as we're a government... They're neither at the top. No, that's what I'm saying to you now. It's not possible. It's not possible. But they threw it out. If not. No, because you know what you've said now? Because there was a lockdown. You couldn't go anywhere. So it's not you fix the problem or we all die inside of it. So they now decided, you know, well, we have to quickly fix this problem. Same thing with Ebola, right? Well, it's just really painful that it means that... It means my life is not safe. I can't even, like, literally... And what is the body of the Medical Association of Nigeria? Medical and Dentist Association of Nigeria. What are they doing? Do you understand? Why are we not hearing that they just shut down this hospital? They just shut down that hospital? Why are we just having issues? Look at the doctor that died in an elevator that they had talked about several times that they had been complaining about that elevator not being functional. Till tomorrow now, we don't know what the situation is. Are they being fixed? Is it even the fixing? You know, who didn't know happened again. There's no story. It's just swept under the carpet. When they are charged heavy fines, Mary, right? Heavy fines. They will settle. Now, imagine if they say there's a complainant, like, for instance, if there's been a rung in the hospital and you suspect foul play, maybe negligence or something, right? Because, I mean, when I had my child, I say this every time. I had the best gynecologist. I don't know where that doctor is. She was a filial doctor, Dr. Ido. She was one that delivered my first son. By the time she delivered the baby, right, she then noticed that, yes, there was normally the bleeding, but she then noticed there was another kind of bleeding. And she knew because it was my first child and all of that. Apparently Alpha gave me a tear. I had a cut that she made herself, but I had a tear. Imagine if she was not observant. So when she was done suturing, this is where you now hear cases of a woman being pregnant the first time, no problem. She's jumping up and down, but the time she's having a second child, she's losing the baby because the cervix cannot hold the child. You hear stories like that, but it was a negligence on somebody's part. You know, that thing would have healed itself. But she said, no, that if I was gonna have a second baby, it would pose a threat to this, to taking that child to full term. So she then called my gynecologist, Dr. Oshineke. And he now came and said, really, what she observed was true. And so he now did another suturing at the inner, whatever, cervix. I'm just saying to you that we have fantastic people. Fantastic doctors, fantastic nurses, right? But no matter how great those nurses or doctors are, if they don't have the right equipment to work, you understand? You are just literally setting them up for failure. I imagine if she had spoken to the gynecologist and he shrugged it off because maybe it was just, it will heal. Yes, it will heal. And that's how, oh, she do now. She will just keep quiet and say, okay, well, she has said, done her part. So it's another thing to complain and be heard after complaining. And it's another thing to totally just keep quiet, which is sad because it had to take off crying out for justice before they found the nurse that gave the injection. Like, meaning if truly nothing was said, she would just be going about her business. A lot of people have been killed, nothing happened. Do you understand? Literally, right? You're supposed to be shaking. You're supposed to be, they're supposed to strip you of your licenses. That's why you see a lot of these, I just got back doctors. Most of them can no longer practice where they're coming from. Do you understand? There was a, and you will be shocked that the things that they did, right? It's so... So little, so much. So in this Nigeria, you say, I call it no bear. You understand like killer and bekiller and jubile? That people's English is in the Yubala language. You know? Like literally what did I do? What are you? You know? That's how you will take it. But you see there, they don't take it. Because if you can do something small, then... And it's not like there's no medical corruption. There are no corrupt practices abroad. But the only thing is that there is a penalty for it. So if you're doing, if you're trying to open anybody, you must make sure, you know? Every look and cranny, the way you have private schools inside three bedroom flats now. Every look and cranny inside, you understand? You just look, there's a hospital. You just say private school in three bedroom flats. In three bedroom flats, you see private, complete private school in three bedroom flats. You know? Oh, please. And I think it might be funny, Mary, but you see this matter of healthcare is not funny to me because I have lost too many people in this matter. Do you understand? Is it the ones that are misdiagnosed? You're supposed to be treating the person for cancer. You say it was stomach ache. Later, the person dies. They say, oh, it was cancer. And nobody does anything about it. So younger doctors now are seeing that this is not going to work for me. I was talking to a medical doctor. If interestingly, I met her the day that accident happened. The day the car accident took place. So that was when we met, we connected and we now found out, oh, she also was born and bred in Kaduna, her mom actually knew my mom. You know, it was just a funny thing. I called her, ah, please, we need a medical doctor. I think about, was it last month or so? But it turns, she said, ah, as I'm talking to you, I just landed in Canada. Manda, Manda. And the former minister for labor, Christine Igay, was saying that if they like, let them be going, whatever. Now, see what the medical college is talking about. Losing, they don't even have people to train. It's really bad, you know? All of them are going, all of them are going. It is, well, I don't know if you have messages, but I think the conversation is not something that needs to stop. If anybody's around the Murio Kuanlat Park now, there's a procession going. But beyond that procession, I think the government, right, I want to see sincerity in that autopsy. I don't know if there are like standard, so this is what breaks my heart, right? With corruption, you don't even know who to trust. You don't know whether the doctor that is, or whatever they're going to examine, what do they call them? The forensic people that are going to go and but then they will break that one to keep quiet. Do you understand, like, literally I can't trust. My younger sister went through a major, you know, major health, whatever, in this her lifetime. I keep on thanking God that she was not in this country because, I kid you not, even where she was, even the nurses, with all the medical facilities and everything they had, they were still afraid. Do you understand? It was after everything had calmed down that the non-codeswander, ah, when they were willing your wife to this place that in fact they were already saying that because normally it is so intense that if they take 10 people in there, maybe it's only one person that comes across, that is how critical the situation was. But you see, it is careful observance that makes this kind of things change. That a doctor pays that extra attention. The doctor has the equipment to work. So we can't be using mouths to be saying better healthcare facility and look at the promise. The same promise for, yeah, since I was a child, I'm almost 40, since I was a child. The same story. Too bad. I don't know what to say. Too bad, and I really hope we can do better. I hope we do. We can only hope. I hope we do. It's sad. It's really sad. It's really really sad. Well, I need to know what bodies to call. Do you understand? I need to know what bodies to call. Like, literally if there's negligence in a hospital or something happens and somebody dies, do you just let it go and say, oh, it was God or whatever? Or should we start to actually just say, no, let us just go and document, because you're supposed to document these things, right? Because I mean, if you're counting how many people, if there's sensors for how many people are in a country, then you should have sensors of number of deaths as well. You know, so. I'm telling you, because it's something that is, so let me, they said data obtained from health facilities. Okay, this one, I have read this one. I'm trying to find the one I saw for death certificates. Okay. Right? Where they say that for every death and every, my network is a bit slow. For every death, and yeah, this is the National Population Commission, that's the word, is a special body in Nigeria that registers death and birth and issues respective certificates. Every death and every birth in the country are eligible for registration. So if somebody dies, what should be the new rule? I get it that they are religious undertones to these things. So for instance, if it's a Muslim, you know, if it is like same day and maybe it's in the morning, by evening, the person is already in the ground. But they can have expedited, do you understand? Expedited, what's it called? Expedited, what's it called, certifications. So that, do you understand? But even at that, even if so, and this should be only up on satisfactory, what's it called, satisfactory conditions that the person did not die out of negligence or whatever, if it is maybe like natural cause or the person was ill, you know, like literally there are some things you know that, okay, yes, it's time for the person to go and rest. But if there is any suspicion that this death could have been avoidable, regardless of the religion, I feel like every dead body right now, you understand, people should start demanding that an autopsy be carried out. Let's have a proper report that says, okay, this is the actual cause of the death. Let's not just keep assuming, because you know why? If we start to put data to these things, maybe, maybe we might just find a solution to change the, to solve the problem. But if there's no data now, every time somebody just dies, okay, just bury up, bury and move on, we'll continue to have these things repeated. You know, very true. And then like you mentioned earlier, when my person dies, the family members and those around are usually in a state of mourning. So it, you know, that's trying to heal from it, you know, and knowing the country that you're in, it just makes it a bit, you know, difficult, you know, to gather the strength and actually fight. I think I was watching a movie, it's called The Steel. Something about the black people, she sent her son and he was killed, you know, and she went to court. She didn't win the case, you know, because of the whole white supremacy and everything, but she was brave in her period of, so her mourning was what gave her strength, you know, to say, I will fight. So it takes a lot, you know, for you to turn your sorrow into strength to fight for it just because, you know, and I'm sure, like we're saying, this is my bad story. The parents are not even the ones fighting, do you understand? It's the outsiders which are around. No, but really the father should be lucky that I am nowhere near related to him, because the first person I would have put in jail is the father. It's him. Like literally, how can your child pass? Are you even wanted to bury? If not for the, according to the report, the chief in the local, the ballot, I said, no, no, we can't bury it here tomorrow. How can you want to bury it immediately? And now look at what is happening in the fresh blood. They gave you money for a coffin and you couldn't even get the coffin rights. The coffin's proper size, no, no. We will, I pray, because see, if this matter is resolved, it does not only stop at the music industry, it will trickle down to even the health sector. That hospital, they would arrest the doctor, arrest everybody there. So that tomorrow, when you want to hire a nurse, you're not going to hire a quack nurse. Or you will not allow somebody, because again, it might be that somebody just impersonated a nurse and went there and did it, whatever, if it was a crime, it would help. Well, we ran out of time, but thank you so much, Mary. I think we had a great conversation. Hopefully we'll start to see real changes in our health care sector. Before we go and show you follow us across all social media handles at Weishu Africa, you can interact with us further, drop a comment. And more importantly, follow all our engagements on social media, like share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow. Now, if you missed our quote for today, here it's again. A standardized health care sector is not where all Nigerians, regardless of, is one where all Nigerians, regardless of income or location, can expect to receive the same high quality care. And this was from an anonymous source. We'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m. And to bring another great conversation to your screen. Ciao.