 When we often think about ways of restructuring the government often it requires sort of a sense of nobility, right? It's like, oh, we're gonna take away power from ourselves, you know, we're gonna rein ourselves in You know, we're gonna elect in good good people that you understand how dangerous and bad government is and therefore They're gonna be able to act on the greater selves and yada yada yada The reason why I think this is such an interesting Political approach and something that that that that I I expect to gain traction over time Is that it creates more crowns? Right it allows it allows for smaller fish to become bigger fish By the ability to redraw lines Right and and I think that that self-serving sort of aspect While it's something that we often do not like to talk about I think is important For seriously considering how do you how do you reform a system without collapse? And then I think there's an there's an additional level lever here Where you know when you have the ability for public referendums to break away I think that has you know, we've seen it play out with with brexit with Results there. I think people, you know, it's been a little disappointing I think but brexit was an example of a popular popular referendum used to break away a tie from a larger political entity You know in recent years, you know populist democratic leaders Have been sort of uniquely positioned to you know stick it to you know, whatever the the larger Ideological persuasion of the elite the global the global elite whatever you want to have you want to see it Out there right being able to to consolidate with a sort of a popular approach to You know resetting political lines. I think I think it's a line, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, we're living in such an error of your democracy and civil liberties that are very hostile, I think in their nature to Liberalism and the messesian tradition, right, you know, these are all affronts to property Right. So these are things that we do. We are inherently distrustful of because they allow for Various forms of positive rights that create tyranny upon others But given that we live in an age of democracy and civil rights We have to figure out a way of challenging the status quo From a perspective that will appeal to normies raised in this era of democracy and civil rights And so therefore I think popular referendums to break away from a state capital to Empower the voice of their populations by improving their standing on the federal level to create representation For a minority group. However, you wanted to find that To to have their voice heard Well, there is going to be that pushback from this broader partisan conversation that permeates everything I think that is ultimately the strongest footing out there that has had success against prevailing political wins And that's why I think this is something There's there's growing discussion out there about Secession, right and a very good book breaking away the case for smaller polities by by ryan mc macon at the at the mesis bookstore Um, there's been, you know, that that conversation has come up national forces come up with a mainstream conservative circles Um, I think in the short term, they're very real practical issues there Danny McCarthy, I think has some very interesting insights on that I think this is a is a natural middle ground That needs to be taken more seriously And I I think that's that's again the the the examples of switzerland You know, I think that the left has has had a the birdie sanders crowd has benefited a great deal Um, particularly in the conversations of healthcare, right by often misrepresenting but pointing to real life examples of how those very Sophisticated europeans do things and why can't you know, why can't us yanks have it as good as the swedes do in their medical system? Um, I think you know pointing to well, hey, those swiss are doing all right, you know, perhaps we should take something out of their book Um, I think that also helps in trying to how do you get someone who is not going to You know read nations by consent to mary rothbard get on board by nations by consent And I think this is a way of getting to that that middle ground