 There's a lot of people like that the ones that kind of lock you in and hold you in to an ideology and Hold you in to this little system and keep you in this locked into this Those are the ones to really watch out for And that's whether it's kind of cultish or whatever I think that's an important thing just to distinguish if they're setting me free That's great. If they're locking me into something. That's not so great That's kind of how I'd say it. Yeah, I have a lot. I want to say to that, but I want to get Sean's take on it as well Yeah, I would agree with that entirely if they're Making their their message about their ideology and of course the the charlatans are always going to use the right language They're gonna say I'm here to set you free. I But there's this little subtlety where it's about what I'm doing Not what you're gonna not your life and what you're doing and it's that me versus you dichotomy I think you know when you hear these guys talking about Saving lives and and I'm not talking about anyone in particular There's a lot of guys out there that are saying my system is saving lives and I think you know how How narcissistic is that because I get that I get that comment occasionally someone because I've written some books and someone will Sometimes write to me and say what your book saved my life and I take that for what it is Which is somebody saying hey, thanks, you know, it's a figure of speech It can't possibly be that I saved my life for a couple of there's I saved their life for a couple reasons number one I've never written anything nearly profound enough to save in anyone's life and neither has anyone that I know of but primarily Let's say that they they mean it literally that they're actually saying your book saved my life Just for the sake of arm. Let's let's say that they're doing that and the answer to that is no You're I'm sorry But you're wrong because the fact that you found something useful in my book Means that you were looking for something and if you didn't find it in my book you would have found it Somewhere else you saved your life because you took control over your problem You took ownership of it and you went out and you saw something and the guys that are out there saying things like I'm saving lives They're telling you that it's about me. It's not about you, right? That is such a good thing. You're the one that's gonna save your life You are the one that's gonna do that Such a good. I love that shift And there's something to that in therapy as well Like you can you sit down in the therapist's office the therapist isn't the one actually changing your life I mean the therapist and at least in my experience the therapist is a sort of a facilitator That allowed me to change my own life my own story The therapist didn't do anything to me just gave me the possibility to you know As we started out the conversation to retell the story that I was telling myself to tell it out loud for the first time And then consider the possibility giving myself options to retell it a different way But it wasn't the therapist being like you should tell the story this way I got to decide how I told the story for the first time. Yeah There are very few people who get to say something like I saved a life and those people don't tend to actually say it like an Emergency room doctor has talked to one recently That person the reason I think they can say I saved someone's life is because somebody comes in and That doctor is taking ownership and responsibility for that problem Yes, and that doctor is bearing the consequences of that problem. There are very few professions therapists include although Psychiatrists and psychologists are sometimes in that position where we have to take ownership of a problem, but that's Very rare unless you have a job that's specifically geared around that Just something to be careful like the guru mentality. It's like no no It's about you know means about me. Yeah, exactly versus you the the recipient of some information. That's transformative in nature. 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They want banned manisphere content creators like 21 studios And if you want to be a gangster you can join both 21 University and the 21 studios fan community on locals I appreciate it big time. Finally. I want to make a personal comment in the clip. You guys just watched So first of all big shout out to both Ken Curry the marriage infamy therapist licensed professional based in Colorado You saw him speak at the beginning of the video on the left-hand side And of course dr. Shanti Smith clinical psychologist based out of Colorado as well You saw speak throughout most of the video on a basic level I think the manisphere has had a fraud problem charlatan problem is a kind of you know, Sean alluded to there It's had one for several years if not several decades in some ways, but specific to this issue about saving lives It's been a big problem for a couple years now and I really appreciate both of them having the balls and the courage and the tenacity To step up and stand up and speak the truth on these issues as they see it calling it like it is calling a spade a spade and Putting their face and reputation and name on the line to get behind those words on a public forum Like the red man group at our events So I really appreciate it, but it's been a real problem There's a real predation in the manisphere by guys pretending to help men and in reality They're praying on wounded men and they're doing it knowingly and it's been going on for a long time Both of these guys particularly Sean I think are big fish and a little pond in the manisphere because they have real training and education expertise and professional licenses to maintain to speak up about these issues and It's big. 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