 Hey guys, uh, late review here. Just reviewed Nightmare on Elm Street with my friend and boss, Mark, doing the Friday the 13th series, all of which I have never seen except for Jason X. It's just the worst one you could possibly watch. On the 10th day, the Lord gave us to us, Basin X. Go give it to your friends, go to liberty, knock, knock, open up doors, ring with a non-top, hop off, stay in the steel. Dream Warriors! Dream Warriors. Three movies into finally here in Friday Crookers 8, bitch. What the front time, bitch? All of the deaths in this movie are awesome. Hey Jeremy, this is CJ Graham, Jason Friday the 13th part. Six, having a good time. Two square wouldn't want to be young. You have just watched New Nightmare. We get to watch Friday Crookers season. About that though, is that review will take some time? Yeah. We're gonna try and do something special for that review, so it will take some time, but hopefully when it is done, you guys will be happy. Yeah. Jeremy, my special, special boy. Mummy has something she wants you to do. You have to review Freddy vs. Jason. I want them to remember. Make them remember. Okay. Yeah, it was worth it, right? Two years. Two years. Two years. Ooh, that's a hot mug, guys. We had all these grand ideas of doing like a video essay, and then we just realized, eh, you know what, we should probably just get this over with. We gotta get it done. At the very least, we have some really awesome cameos from people you just saw, Jason's mother. I met her on a set not too long ago, and I was so fucking stoked that she did that for me. And we have several more of those throughout this review, so get ready for those, because we are finally reviewing Freddy vs. Jason. An accumulation of us, essentially what, starting back in 2017. Yeah, something like that. We've finally gone through all of the Nightmare movies, all of the Friday movies, and now we're finally talking about the matchup that these two have. The kind of reason we started this in the first place was to get to Freddy vs. Jason. Get to this point. To be honest, this movie actually still is as fun to watch now as it was back when I was a kid and I didn't know anything about any of the lore between these two. I watched this movie first before I watched any of the Nightmares or any of the Friday movies. But now, having watched them all, I finally can get all of the references, the homages, and all of the clear respect that director Ronnie Young has for those franchises and he tried to put that into this film while also having his own kind of interpretation, just being a lot more bloodier and gorier than the other movies. I enjoy it. I think it's a fun yet cheesy experience. It's definitely made for people who enjoy the Friday and the Nightmare series. The moment I watched it, I had a shitting grin on my face. I'm starting to finish when I saw this in theaters and it's just not Ronnie you. Things decided, like, arguments I've heard about him in the cast and problematic ones. He definitely got it. I really liked Bride and Chucky. When I heard the guy who did Bride and Chucky, who kind of revitalized after the third one, was taking on Freddie versus Jason, I thought that was such a great idea. He didn't have anything to do with any of the previous child's plays and he kind of found that voice to get that movie and I really think he did an excellent job making this both a Friday movie and a Nightmare movie. I would say equal time. Funny enough, every time that there's been versus movies in any retrospective, obviously most recently King Kong versus Godzilla, that movie, if you've seen it, favors King Kong as more so the main person that you're cheering for. In this movie, they both have equal screen time. They both have equal kind of development. They don't get equal kills, though. They don't get equal kills. No, it's definitely more so Jason in this movie. Jason's killing more people. But they still have equal amount of relevance to the story, I would say. Yeah. And it's not forced, it's just, it's horror icons fighting each other. The build-up to getting to their fight, I think they kind of have like a scrap in a dream world at one point, which is actually isn't too bad. But when you finally get to the fight, it is very, very satisfying. You are not left unfulfilled with it. It's awesome. The WWE aspects, which apparently are Rey Mysterio. Yeah, apparently Rey Mysterio's in at one point in this movie. We have an idea of where he is, but yeah, they just all of a sudden this elbow drop. And then all the fire in off the canisters. The torpedoes, all the blood from the spikes. That's so cool. There's so much gore in this movie during this last fight scene. Everything about it. Like right up to the like, and where Freddy gets his own arm jammed through his back. Yeah. It's just awesome. The payoff for the fight scene really hits. Considering this movie was so long in development too, like technically speaking, it was teased at with Jason Goes to Hell, which was back in the 90s. So 10 years before we got the first teaser for this when Kane Hodder's hand with the Freddy Gump comes up and grabs Jason's basketball to down to hell. And there was a lot of work apparently put in by a lot of people to try and get this movie made. Yeah. One of them being Kane Hodder who eventually left because he wasn't cast back as Jason. I got a chance to talk with Kane about this movie at horror con a couple of years ago now. Just talking about it like he was on board the whole way. And then when Ronnie came in, Ronnie decided he wanted a bigger Jason. Kane's a big dude, but I will say Ken Kersinger who plays Jason in this movie is a behemoth. The guy, he's six foot five. He's thick. Thick. Also a super nice dude. He signed. I've already got him on this one. I'm waiting for my Freddy opportunity. This is the director's cut of the movie. Ken signed. He drew a little knife to underline it. I got him to sign that while we were working on a pitch trailer that he was doing for out here, a cowboy movie. That was a lot of fun. He sat around talking about Freddy for his Jason all day. Oh, that would have been great. Meeting through Kane, you kind of learned a little bit more like in the last few years. What was the gentleman who played Jason in the sixth? In sixth, CJ Graham. You've seen him. He did an intro. Hey, Jeremy. This is CJ Graham. Jason, Friday the 13th, part six. Having a good time. You're missing. Too bad. Too square. Wouldn't want to be young. We're having a good time without you. Told you to come. But if you're working, good job. Staying home. If you're just doing nothing, he's your lady. He's doing nothing. You missed it. You missed out. Talk to you later, buddy. So it was nice. I got, when I was chatting with Kane, I got to be sure about Jeremy again. It was nice. Hi, Kane Hauder here. Just had a quick note. Jeremy, you fucking missed another one. That's awesome. Thank you so much, man. The one thing I wanted to say about casting, which is kind of a cool item I've talked about, Ken coming on was the necessity of bringing back Robert Anglin. We learned with the 2010 remake that I hate more than anything on the planet. He just has Kruger. He is so good in this. From the voice intro, which I love, one of the things that Nightmare doesn't really do, but Friday the 13th a lot. There's, especially early in the Friday series, there's always the previously on Friday the 13th. This movie has that, with Freddie narrating it. So I thought that was a nice hush. Looking the photos of children that he's murdered. They do lean a little more into his creepy side. Oh, yes, 100%. I think it also kind of comes with the times. We're a little, by this point, Marilyn Manson and the shock mentality was out. Early 2000s. Early 2000s. This movie is dated right off the bat when you hear the new metal intro pop on. It's just full of new metal. It's great. This movie definitely has some aging to it. Oddly enough, though, considering it was made in the early 2000s, there are some dated factors to it, like what would be the word? It's not disparaging. It doesn't hurt the movie anymore for having it. There is a joke, at one point, that what's-her-name from Destiny. We dropped the wrong F-bomb in this movie, unfortunately. There's a certain joke by a main boy, what's-her-name from Destiny's Child about Kruger. Because if that's the bad one, he was the one who was talking about raping what's-her-name with his glove hand. It doesn't pull any punches. And it's not as bad as some other. You watch a lot of movies from the early 2000s. They're hugely homophobic. They're super problematic. Like, movies basically everything before and now, looking at modern sensibilities. It's really hard to watch. There is a bit of a cringy bit between Monica Keena's character and the dude who catches his dad's head. That one's a little effed, but it's still like... Oh, I would say. It's not too bad. As far as, again, a lot of other consent issues in old-school films, we just brushed over back in the day. But for the most part, it's not bad. It holds up to our sensibility. Like, there is the obvious boop shot at the very beginning of the film. Lots of gratuitous. Lots of gratuitous. Not as much as the unrated version of Friday Remake. No, that one really leaned into it. Yeah, that one definitely did. This one started with it, and then there are some bits, like when there's the debt, when we have that random, weird flash into Jason's mind. The dead closet? The dead closet, and there's the woman who's floating. I was like, just to her face, and she's floating up, booby. It's also Ronnie shoots this kind of creepy in ways, like I commented, there's a shot of Catherine Isabella where she's smoking, blowing the smoke outside, but her face is blocked by the window, and the shot is just, like, the window blocking her face, and it's her boobs in frame. It's like, there's a few of those shots, like it's a little too male gazey for things, but that's also still common in Hollywood. Yeah, and it's actually common at a time when this movie was shot. Speaking of which, she was also in Supernatural, for those of you who know. The end of season two. Yeah, she turns on everybody. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she turns bitch. Speaking of bitch, there's a lot of that in this movie. He actually drops a bunch of bitches as other characters in this, too. Yes, that's true. Because you get to tie the bitch up, and then we got, let me handle this bitch from a kid from Maple Ridge that I went to school with. Oh, yeah. Like, freaking hell. Tyler Bean's little brother. Yeah. If you've seen things like Tucker and Dale, or something like that. The mall rats reject. All the human characters, actually. This movie, if there is maybe a fault, it's of course the exposition and the, hey, let's throw a bunch of random characters, but still have them act as though you would know what they are. For someone looking on the outside and not having watched any of these movies, it's very hard to follow. Even for us, there was a part in the film where I was like, oh, wait a minute. They're already here. And for 90 minutes, it's definitely hearkening to fans first, not actual film logic. If you didn't watch any of the movies, you'd be very much out to lunch. Like I was when I was a kid, but I didn't really care. I just wanted to watch the gore in it. A bunch of gore and boobs. There's a lot of homages. Like, these characters are right out of the nightmare movies. Not so much the Friday movies, but the Friday movies never really had any human characters that you actually carried about. No, I mean, after Corey Feldman, there's next to like, there's usually like maybe one character you kind of get told to care about. What was her name in six? She's the one who did all the cool car move, like all the great moves of the car. I can't even remember her name, but that's kind of a, that's more an example as to why. There are clearly more narrative aspects with the human characters towards the nightmare series, but that's because of the whole kids falling asleep thing. Everyone's a narcoleptic. Yes. And an alcoholic. Yes. And clearly not in high school. You know, the main girl's not bad. Her friends aren't bad. Like everyone's kind of just eh. Yeah. Pretty much everybody's. I actually, I'll throw, Brendan Fletcher, I actually really like in this movie that Brendan Z, the buddy who gets the Freddy's back burned on his back. Oh yes. And he was also from Supernatural. Yes, he's also, I mean, unfortunately with 15 season shot here, almost every actor that's been in this, that's in this movie, that's from Vancouver, ends up in Supernatural at some point. Funny enough, one actor who's in this, who's been in a lot of DC stuff, who actually isn't, hasn't been in Supernatural as far as I know, is Lachlan. Lachlan not been in Supernatural. That's hilarious. I don't think so. That might be the only show Lachlan hasn't been in. I'll have to check again, but yeah, he's been, he's the cop in this movie. Stubbs with the very 2003 Frosted Tips. Yes he does. And he just dies kind of suddenly, but he's the one who has one of the funniest lines in this movie. And speaking of Lachlan actually. Can I offer you kids some assistance? Hey, I hope you're enjoying the reveal. Lachlan and I have known each other for 10 years or something like that. I've run into, I've run into him all the time. He's literally in every show in Vancouver. And we've gotten to work with him in the past. And I asked him to do that bit when I was shooting this Sniper movie that I've talked about in my past. Yeah, that was the sniper when we were inside the, what's the farmhouse? Our Leetberger farm. Which also ends up in Supernatural at times. Yes, a ton of times. Cool to see all these actors from like 18 years ago, one of them being Chris Goche. I was going to say, bring up Chris Goche, the laser as guy from Supernatural. He is a buddy of mine. And I really wanted to get him to do a cameo for this one. Unfortunately, it's like timing and things. Yes. You think over two years. Yeah. He has the absolute best, possibly one of the best deaths in the Friday. The entire Friday. The entire Friday. It starts off. He's got the like, well, hey, Jethro, why don't you go find yourself a pig to fuck? This is at the rave. Glenn Jason just appears behind the guy. And it needs that fucking awesome stunt of Jason walking through the cornfield on fire. Huge amount of money paying for all that corn. Everything. They literally walked a flaming dude through that cornfield and burned it all. And then he gets a flaming machete through his chest, burst out in blood. Aw, it's fucking rad. It is a pretty good burn. It's a very dangerous burn. Yeah, it's, and how slow he's moving when it first happens. Like he pulls the machete out and it's like, full slow and he's burning the whole time. Yeah. And he did use that kind of rotoscope. Well, what is it called when they like to shoot it? They show it at a slower frame rate. Yeah, I care. I don't know the frame rate for it is, but I think it works to, because they probably couldn't have shot this as long as you would like. Yeah. But considering the high speed, slow motion cameras were still kind of not really a thing yet at the time. They use it a couple of times in this movie. Yeah. Those ones don't translate great. When they're showing Chris running through and being chased, there's some like, it looks a little weird. And even when Freddie drops into the water at the end, they use it again, it still looks a little weird. It's still a great kill, though. And especially when he spits the blood at the camera. And that leads to one of the coolest, like just a massacre scene where Jason's cutting everybody off and blood is just spraying everywhere. And at one point, there's a guy who's like trying to defend the beer keg and then he gets stabbed and while the beer is splashing over Jason, he's just like, They use the beer to put out the fire. That's a great shot. There's a lot of good visual elements in this film, not just in terms of the practical stuff, but also in some of the horror aspects. Like I said earlier where Jason's going to his dream place, where the house that's in the middle of the lake, that's a really good shot. When Freddie comes out of the water at the end of the movie to like surprise the main character in the dream, that was a great shot. Because he goes like 20 feet in the air and lands back down in front of her in the demon form. There's some very good visual aspects to this film. And not just in terms of how people are killed. Funny enough, talking about the wrong F word to say, she gets walloped like a fucking bullhorn right against a tree. Don't know how, because he looks like he cuts her, but he somehow hit her with the side or the blunt edge because he just pops right in. Yeah, she's dead. That's great. That's one of the, just that comes out of nowhere too, because he's just like behind you. I really do like when this movie plays off both when Katie Zabella's character gets killed and Freddie's about to kill her in the dream world and then Jason stabs her in the human fucking glow stick. The glow stick and the light rain with the glow stick. And then he launches him in the next week. That's a great moment where they're yelling it. Freddie's all mad. They play off each other really well. And even the fact that Freddie gets less kills, like Freddie kills less people in his movies, like Jason is about murder fest. Like when we talk about murder boners, which I will say, Ken doesn't really rock a murder boner in this one. He's a little passive about his skills. That was probably one of the aspects that made me like the nightmare movies more was just the visuals, because, okay, and you also had a character who could talk. Jason killing people is like, okay, I guess, but those movies, aside from certain films, have not aged, I feel well at all. Some of them are pretty rough. More of the nightmare movies are rewatchable. Just look at our reviews. Like our scores for the nightmare movies are way higher. Oh, way higher. I think there was a few times where it was very fleeting when Friday movies were ever higher, but we did have some retrospectives, because I enjoyed Jason Takes Manhattan for the most part. Like the first 30 minutes of it is so pointless, but then once the killing starts, then the movie's fun, but then there's other movies like, what's it? Yeah. What was one that you really enjoy that I didn't like? I'm trying to remember. Well, I mean, I enjoyed a new nightmare movie. Oh! The Five and Six was the one that surprised me, because for Nightmare Five and Six, I remember Aiding Six the most. This time I'm pretty sure, and now thinking back on it, I definitely hate Dream Child more than I hate Freddy's Dead. And they take even some of the bad aspects from those movies too, but they also take a lot of the good ones, and there's these tiny little tidbits here and there, like, for instance, the drug Hypnosil is from... It comes out of the third one. From the third film. Yeah, I had to rock both, by the way. Rocking both teams. Yes. So, again, kind of going all around, the movie is very, it's very respectful, if you can call it that, what it came before, what it's paying homage to. There are some great gore, some great kills. Probably if there's any sort of negative factor to the film, it is the pacing, because, again, there's a lot of exposition being thrown at you. They even throw exposition at you during the final fight scene. Yeah, I was going to say, it shuts you down a few times. Yeah. There's a few moments where the exposition, they feel like they need to, and I guess they do, because they're trying to create... Yeah, they're trying to create a narrative. They're trying to create stuff, but... But, like, the end, when she's like, yeah, Freddy killed my mother, and she goes on this whole spiel, and the boyfriend's just like, oh, man, I thought we were done. Just let these two fight already. Yeah, let's go back to Jason and Fred for kicking the shit out of each other. Yeah. And at the end of the movie, it doesn't even matter. They just see what happens to them at the end. They just... Is that really, really good? If you want to know what happens to them, Freddy versus Jason versus Ash, the comic book, which is a legitimate sequel. Oh, it is? Yeah. Oh, okay. Her character, like the two of them are the beginning of the comic book. Oh! I was going to say it, because I like how this movie ends kind of ambiguously. Yeah. With Jason coming out of the water and holding Freddy's head with Freddy's turns, and he does the wink. It's good. I do like, I'm going to ask it, who do you think won? Well, I kind of like that, that aspect that you think it's Jason, because Freddy is more so the big bad, whereas Jason's a necessary bad. Yeah. Freddy is the villain. And that's because you can talk. Jason's just an object. And not just a big, stupid dog that won't stop eating. Yes. Oh! His mother is so good. Jason does kind of win. Freddy's come back so many different ways. One time, all it took was a dog pissing on his bones, to apparently bring him back. So he could come back anyway. I feel that Freddy just can't die. Same with Jason, too. I'm in the same boat. I kind of feel like Jason won the battle. Freddy's going to win the war, because Jason, theoretically was, first of all, was killed. And that was like a zombie after four. Yes. But he obviously went away. Like, Freddy had to go bring this guy back from the dead. Even though Freddy was gone and not in the dreams, he was still kicking around somewhere. So my mentality is, Freddy lost this battle, but in the grand scheme of things. It's a creative stalemate, I don't want to say. Yeah, they also, neither of them can really die. So it goes to shit. Yeah, exactly. It was fun watching. And was there any sort of kind of follow-up that they have any ideas or this movie do? Well, they wanted to do Freddy versus Jason versus Ash. That was a real plan to get, but again, they ran into Wright's problems. Oh, yeah. I heard a rumor that's fairly, I'm sure unsubstantiated, that apparently there was talk at one point of a season of Ash versus the Evil Dead incorporating them, which I thought would have been a really rad way to do it, but I mean, that show went away and I think it was still the same. But I think that was one of those things that got spitball probably by someone not associated with it, but it got me excited, because I was like, what a cool idea that was, because that show was awesome. I wasn't the highest grossing of all of them. I think it's for both. I'm one of the remakes, like the remakes might have beat it, but definitely at the time, it was the highest grossing for both franchises. Which makes sense. Because it made money, man. Yeah. It was fun. Everyone got on board with it. It did a really good job. The casting works. I'm glad it has so many Vancouverites in it, which is dope. Oh, tons, yeah. Because like a lot of movies, a lot of big movies don't cast a lot of Vancouver people. Like you would just been bringing up everyone in anyone from LA. Yeah. And I mean, they still did like, you know, Monica Kena, Kelly Rowland and Jason Ritter, which is funny because Brandon Chucky has Jason's dad in it in a great role. Those guys are all from elsewhere, but almost everybody. I think Friedberg is probably a leaderman. Not Friedberg. A leaderman is probably from elsewhere as well. But pretty much everybody else in the movie is a local, which is super cool when movies come and do that because, you know, they come here and they film, they use all their crews, might as well cast our piece. No, exactly. So some of the deaths in that we get, like Brandon Fletcher's death. Fucking awesome. No. Chris Goche's death. Best in the movie. It's just, it's cool that we get those moments. Probably it was panned by the critics, but it was probably well received by fans of the series. I think most fans like it. It's admittedly slow to kind of watch when you're having to watch like the characters, like the human characters, because you're literally just waiting for the last half hour of the movie. Isn't that what I'm hearing about Kong, though, as well? Like it's the human stuff that sucks. Oh, the human stuff always sucks. And admittedly at least this movie takes as quick of a time as it can to get to that. Yeah. And the nice thing is, the thing that kind of differs is like we're not dealing with like character, we're still getting kills through that whole time. And some of them are stupid, like when the dad's head pops off. Yeah. He just literally like jumps at his dad's head as a shield. No, daddy, no! There are some stupid bits, but that's kind of a given for this movie. And honestly, I would say it is one of the more enjoyable movies for me. I really kind of wanted to give this a four out of seven, because that's kind of really what it is, really what it is. It's a four out of seven. But for me, just personally, because I enjoy it and I want to appreciate it more, I'll give this a five out of seven for me. Even though realistically it should be a four, it's a five for me. I'll give it a hard six. Yeah. That's actually it. I think it's just with what it does to both franchises the fact that you could take any scene that's just a Jason scene or just a Freddie scene and toss those into a movie for either one of them and they would feel right. I think it's great. I think it does the fan stuff well. It's a great fight. It's got awesome kills. It's funny. I was going to mention earlier I did. There's a great reference the fact that Michael Myers is not in this movie. Yes. In the opening scene she's calling for Mike and we never see Mike because Mike Myers is in this movie. It's a direct reference. They're tongue-in-cheek in this whole thing. Yes, very tongue-in-cheek. And it still manages to be good. It's not scary. But then again, none of the Friday movies in my opinion are scary. None of them end like the later nightmare movies. Oh, yeah. None of them are scary either. Good God. So the fact that this is funny and still horror worked for me. I think it's six is where it's at and anyone shows that otherwise. It's a fun time for those of you who enjoy the series and even if you haven't watched some of the movies you can go into this and still kind of just it's dumb fun. There we go. Took two years two years for us to talk about it. We'll just say that we had a lot of differences about how we wanted to do this movie. It changed a lot. Also just like how much we've been working and then there's like when we're off shows we like want to get together and do something like best movies. Yeah. On a pandemic hit. Yeah. We couldn't physically do this. The only reason why we can do this is because we get tested on our show. Yeah. Constantly getting tested. So that is why we know we're okay. I should have mentioned that. But anyways guys I hope you enjoyed just with all these really awesome cameos. We are considering moving on to another one. We have Halloween the Saw series. Was there any other one? I mean I still wanted to hold evergons here at some point. It's past March now but we could do the Child's Play movies. We've got a lot to choose from so we will be seeing us continuing on another very long Patreon poll and I'll vote for whatever I want. Yes he is. Anyways guys here's your call up. Thanks for watching the video. My name is Knitz and you might remember me from the animated cult classic TV show undergrads. It's been a while but I'm happy to say the click is finally getting back together in an all new movie. Thanks to a successful Kickstarter and I hope you enjoyed this video. 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