 It's time for Mac Geekgab and listener Tom brings us our quick quick tip of the week with Instead of using people's real names to make calls you can assign a related name and use it for example I use Siri call mom or Siri call wife The way to do this is to go into your phones contacts and edit There's a section where you can edit the contact that says add related name This lets you pick a common name or add your own and then assign them to people For instance If you have two friends named Dave you can have hey call Dave of the Mac Geekgab and it'll call the right person More tips like this plus your question is answered today on Mac Geekgab 959 959 for Monday December 12th, 2022 Folks and welcome to a Mac Geekgab the show where you send in your tips like that one your questions And your cool stuff found we take them all we string them together into an agenda That has one guiding purpose or prime directive if you will and that is that every single one of us That means those of us that host the show along with all of you We're all together in this that each and every one of us learns at least Five new things every single week when we get together Sponsors for this episode include Collide at KOL IDE comm slash MGG device security that uses slack to educate your users It's like Mac Geekgab for your device security at your company. It's amazing because your users will learn five new things BB edit from bare bones software. I've got a few things I'll teach you when we talk about that a little later and LinkedIn comm slash MGG where you can go and post your first job for free Like I said, we'll talk more in depth about each of those in a little bit for now Here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton and here in fearful Connecticut. This is John F. Brown And here in Lee, New Hampshire, it's pilot Pete. Good to be back guys. That's good It's good to be it is good to be back. I your Your your quick tip the opening quick tip you shared Pete I have I use the nickname field to accomplish the same thing and like like in and what's cool about that is in Like in my phone or in my contacts, I should say I have you as pilot Pete and What's cool is it shows me your name as pilot Pete in Like I have you in my pinned messages and it just says pilot Pete right there So I can say Siri call pilot Pete. I like I've changed Lisa's nickname to favorite wife And I look the only reason I did that was because she told me that current wife was not acceptable anymore So I had to change it to favorite wife, right? So although she introduces me at parties as her current husband So like I didn't I wasn't so I missed out on like why it's not okay for me to have Not good for that gander. That is correct So she is favorite wife now and and that seems to be tolerated Yeah, I used that for years and for whatever reason it had stopped working So when I got this question from Tom in the mail I saw let's try that again And I set it back up which was great and I related this story to him that I used for my wife I used sandwich girl. She was a flight attendant and had a passenger call her that Her big mistake was telling me and Yeah, yeah, that's yes, I can I can see where that was a huge faux pas She's probably learned since then to never share any of those sorts of things not like that Not like that Yeah, be careful because I mean, it's like I suppose dealing with with us is like dealing with children they They slash we remember all of the things it would none of the important things and all of them really important things So hold against you for years Or birthday or an anniversary not so much now, but sandwich girl all you needed to do was here once it's like having Hector at the house because we have Hector the bird and She I suppose is the Mackie Keb official mascot these days because what else would she be and and you know, you can say all kinds of things to her and rarely does she repeat them but You know screech out one expletive or some annoying noise and it will be repeated for the rest of her natural life Which she's probably got at least another 30 years left. Maybe, you know, so yeah You can follow her exploits on Twitter it at Hector D bird be YRD, so yes She is Hector and and I guess I guess she does identify as a male those because she calls herself a good boy With birds that you don't find out the gender unless a you do a surgical test to see or B They lay an egg and then you know, so Yep, I don't know. Yeah, we've gone too far John Let's call yet another audible. How's your keyboard? Oh It's doing great Okay, tell us what happened like what like well as we ended our last show Our hero was stuck using his other computer because he couldn't get his keyboard to pair and his other keyboard had potentially a bad battery Where are we in our saga? Yes, that is That was the problem. So the battery died in this and this keyboard And I found a video online which explained this to me It takes a I think it seems that it's an M 2032 or something battery Yeah, something like that. Okay. I'll link to your tweet about the whole thing. But yeah Yeah, it's a rechargeable button battery. Yeah. Yeah, let me know let me I'll find your tweet about it But can't tell tell us the story All right. So here was the story. So the thing is I also had a Magic keyboard and I tried to pair it to my Mac mini and I couldn't It wouldn't see it. It was okay. Well, what I mean, what did you like you just and you I put it in discovery mode, okay, and you do that by holding down the power button for like five seconds and then the LED The green LED will playing twice saying hey, I'm in pairing modes, right? the my computer Wouldn't reach out it. It didn't connect John. This was the same keyboard with a new battery No, no, this was his Apple Magic keyboard. Yeah, we should we should be very clear about this John has a Logitech solar keyboard. That's the one that the battery died in he has since replaced and it's back up online and running But the the interesting part came with app the Apple Magic keyboard Which is the one he's talking about here that you were on Even though you put the keyboard in pairing mode, you couldn't get your Mac in pairing mode now, right? And all the articles that I found said, oh, well, just go to settings Bluetooth and then connect to it. It's like I can't log in because I don't have a keyboard. Oh Because your Mac so is your Mac's do you have file vault installed or turned on I Think so. Yeah, okay. So your Mac does not Your Mac requires you to log in essentially before it will boot up Right. No, I mean, that's like I'm asking that question because that's what file vault is is is like You know, you have to log in so that it can get the encryption key to decrypt the drive and actually boot up the OS is that So you have file vault on and therefore you were not able to your Mac couldn't go into to Bluetooth pairing mode because it Right. Okay. Here's how I solved that with the Magic keyboard I have remote access enabled on My mini so I logged in with another computer and then I was able to go to settings And pair it really okay, wait, you got to confirm you can remote access and get the password in that's interesting Yeah, but hang on you got to confirm for me that you have file vault turned on on that computer Please check that because that doesn't I didn't think remote access was on at the file vault authentication screen So maybe this isn't a file ball thing. All right security and privacy file vault is File vault is turned off. Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. So you're remote So this is strange though because I thought that a Mac with a keyboard without a keyboard connected would go into Bluetooth pairing mode At the login screen automatically. That's what I thought and you you unplug the USB dongle Right from your other keyboard. Yes, and that still didn't do it. Interesting Huh? Well, good thing a good thing. You didn't have file vault and be a good thing. You did have remote access turned on Mm-hmm. Wow. All right, so that so that worked So I was using that keyboard, but you know, it's kind of a small keyboard compared to the Logitech, but um Yeah, so it's an ml 2032 Replacement battery. Yeah is what this takes. It's kind of funny though because once you There's like a little battery shelf that you can you know pull out and it's funny because they have a sticker on one side of The battery saying do not replace. Oh Why they say interesting well, maybe they don't want you to replace the sticker on the battery John Yeah, that's all that's like my dad was was a kid or you know a teenager or whatever He worked in the tie of the tie factory down in Norwalk, Connecticut. It's not there anymore and They made the ties there But they bought labels from France and the labels Correctly said made in France and so they would take these labels that said made in France And they would sew them onto their ties in Norwalk, Connecticut and sell these ties People may or may not have believed that the ties were made in France I believe consumer protection laws have evolved since then in fact, I know they have but But maybe they just didn't want you to take off the label, right? Don't remove Don't replace this they just meant the label so leave that label safely on the dead battery and replace the The the battery with another one that maybe doesn't have that label Yeah, so um So I'm up and running again. I did order another one In a different color so I do have now a spare keyboard Okay, did you have to turn on Bluetooth in system preferences? Let me ask this a different way was Bluetooth turned off on your Mac and maybe that's why no it didn't go into parent Interesting actually it should have gone into pairing mode. That's well as we've learned over the years there are edge cases and John F. Braun, you are the king of finding them. It's part of what we love about you. It's funny though because The other articles that I found Also said oh you can also plug into the USB on the USB port on the keyboard or the lightning port on the keyboard Yeah, well no because This is like First-generation keyboard it was from my mom's old machine So this this magic keyboard does not have any other option to connect to it other than Bluetooth Right, I forgot about that of course. Yeah, cuz like when my trackpad. I have the magic track pad some Actually have several versions of it But the they all have a lightning connector so that when their battery dies I just plug it in and then in it a starts charging it of course But b it just connects wired and in fact when I unplugged the lightning cable days later when I finally remember to do that it Then puts up a message on the screen saying that it reconnected it because it did it you know It disconnected over lightning and then reconnected over Bluetooth. Yeah interesting fascinating Yeah, alright Well, we have we have all kinds of stuff to talk about today. Let's Let's let's let's do let's do some cool stuff found More on Bluetooth later in the episode for those of you interested first up on cool stuff found I believe is Scott Pete. Yeah Scott sorry Dave you put me on the spot. I missed it. Well, it was on the agenda in the order The agenda disappeared on me the one time. I'm following the agenda. I I get caught. So there you go No, I think I think I'm the one that got the I caught here. So if you know and here's why it because it didn't work for me. That's why so Scott wrote Hey, look, there's a hidden game in and he wrote in Google Chrome And so I'm looking for it all over in Google Chrome But I but the the picture that he sent didn't look right and I went and found there's also a Google app Which is different from Google Chrome on the iOS. So go get the Google app And then you go Chrome not not the Google. Yes, the Google app or this is Google app not Google Chrome the browser Google app and then you close all tabs and let it sit for you know, if you have any open tabs on it close close them all and Be be on the screen there with the tabs and then colored shapes will start floating up from the bottom If you swipe up on those shapes you get a pinball game and you can That's cool. It's pretty cool. But when it came to me, it didn't work I tried it. I tried and it didn't work and then I thought well the Google app at least at least now the screen looks like What the picture he sent in the email, but it still didn't work And I went and I saw the email again the next morning and I opened the Google app and lo and behold the Colored shapes started floating up from the bottom. I swiped up and I was able to play pinball Okay, which is too bad because I was actually hoping that I'd never get to do it because now it will be a colossal waste of my time I Right. Yeah, that's that's important. Okay. So this is I got you now. So it's not in Chrome This is in the the Google the app just named Google Yeah, very cool. I like I like it. I like hidden hidden gem in the area. Yeah, we're sure Sorry for getting caught. No, it's fine. It's what we do here. It's how it works Let's see we learned things so it's fine. You want to take us to mark John Yes, it's gonna change my world Mark says I wanted to share the latest and in my mind transformative Apple pencil replacement And it's the magnetic wireless charging banks pen banks being the company that makes it Enks right enks. Yeah, and there's a link to it It only costs $40 and does more than the current Apple pencil to Normally I do not consider myself to limit financially when I really like tech But it was if a bone in my body snapped when I lost my Apple pencil and cannot get myself to purchase replacement for 120 bucks The $40 for the replacement I could do and I'm delighted with it. Now. I am again using notability to write notes in And let me see and so is there a Difference like what what functionality difference does this have versus apples? I'm glad you asked Okay, he follows up saying the pen has a small circular lit display where the eraser would be Click it wants to go back to the home screen and click it twice to go to the app switcher And the LED I think also shows the charging level so it definitely does more than the Apple one Interesting, I'll give you more feedback On this because I ordered one. Oh nice. Yeah Though I it was funny because I when I went to the website Initially everything was in Chinese. I'm like, oh great. Oh did you find you found the English version though? Because whatever whatever I've got on the screen here is is English. All right, great. Yeah Fine, but they sent me shipping information and yeah, it's from China. Yeah, it's now in the US. It's it's coming Yeah, sure. Oh, I see your your your pencil is now in the US like the one you ordered. Yeah, I figured Why not for 40 bucks? I'll I'll give it a whirl. Yeah, I'm not a big illustrator, but you know, why not? Check out some of the capabilities of and it and they list the ones that it's compatible with it's not sure With all iPad so right to get it read read the description Okay, probably too slow to and unless you order now Too slow to get here by Christmas or stocking stuffers, but at that price, that's a pretty good stocking stuffer. Yeah, exactly Huh? Interesting. All right, cool. I like it lawyer Jeff sends us a website that he found which is a List of awesome the terminal commands as titled by the website. It's It's got no it's got some of the ready ones around there only the oh But but like they're organized into categories like networking security system media So, you know, if I want to go to the bonjour section of networking, which is a subsection of networking they list the commands to To you know turn on and off like restarting mdns responder and doing different things I can clear the DNS DNS cash. Wow. That's an interesting one to say D&S cash I was what I want to say who lips new lips Correps correct. Correps to Correps. All right. That's how this shows gonna go up. Yeah Okay But this is a handy resource to have so we'll put a link in the show notes Of course at Mac geek up comm or more directly at mg g dot FM 9 59 that gets you right to the The episode page because we did it that way. I Apologize for a couple of days last week mg g FM 9 58 did not go to Mac geek up 9 58, but I fixed that so it's all good The next cool stuff found you all know that I am a huge fan and user of robot vacuums of all the tech. This is one of them that has instantly found its place in my home and In and been been life-changing because it you know, you can have the thing vacuum I mean, we have a vacuum that the floors we don't sleep on At three in the morning and we wake up every day to a freshly vacuumed house and the new crop of whole of Robot vacuums uses lidar sensors and all kinds of smarts to do mapping and really Doesn't require the same amount of I'll call it training But really it was like, you know drawing and putting up like Barriers to keep it from finding things that like they're so much better about just set it and forget it and it figures it out for you The latest one that I started using is the robo rock qf Sorry robo rock q5 plus John this answers a question that you had when I first told you about robot vacuums No, I've never had one with a self-emptying dock which essentially means that The vacuum has its own Compartment for the dust that it collects as it's driving around my house And then the base for it has its own much larger compartment that it empties itself into after it finished his cleaning And I when you first asked me you're like well if it doesn't empty itself How useful is it and I found I mean the answer is what's this fine? I mean you're you know, especially with the old ones again You know you were messing with it regularly enough because it would get stuck somewhere. It was just like oh, it's no big deal I'll just take it out. I set up this robo rock qf q5 plus a week and a half ago and maybe two weeks ago and I hadn't thought about Emptying or doing anything with it Until I started prepping for the show and was like right I got to get it into my calendar to like remember to go and check this thing or maybe it'll send me an alert if the If the storage thing is too full it probably would but it's a it like it just works And this one I have on the floor of the top floor of the house was just where we sleep So I have it run at noon every day It is so nice to come back from you know Working or whatever I've been doing during the day and come into my bedroom and have a freshly vacuumed rug For whatever reason our bedroom our bedrooms in general were the places that we vacuumed the least and Especially now that we've got you know the house getting the rest of the house getting vacuumed all the time that having this It's been it's been life-changing really great stuff 479 on Amazon. It's it's and the app, you know works well It's you can schedule you can actually this one is is good for multiple floors. Not all of them are so you can You know you can have it'll mean all services carpet would Both I mean both of those things I could take yes It's it detects different surfaces and you can even I think by default it will ramp up It's it's engine it when it finds carpet and ramp it down when it finds other things or whatever you can change that But that's the default, but I mean I could take this and move it to a different floor of my house and it Remembers different maps so it will sort out. Oh wait. I'm not on the top floor I'm on the middle floor or whatever and and you know go and like do its thing there, too Which is super handy if you don't want to have to have you know three of these things So yeah, it's it's a I I'm really impressed with this thing so 479 on on Amazon Let me ask you this of course This is a question. I think that everybody has with these what if how smart is it? To know not to Say there's Something large That may be an animal has left you a gift. How do you prevent it from the dog poop problem? Yeah? Yeah, no it they like the dog poop problem is a very Specific thing that all of these vacuums are programmed To identify and route around for sure the current crop of them will will avoid that our dog Oh in the early days Not so in the early days. Correct. Yeah, there were those it would spread it all around for you Oh, yeah, it would like talk about a poop show man like that was It it created one the early ones created them for you with their lidar sensors and everything I mean they're doing pattern matching and all of that stuff to be like yes stay away from that They also know to stay away. I've mentioned on this show that our cats especially one of them little pucky he he loves pipe cleaners and He found a stash of pipe cleaners in our house after he moved in years ago And he'll go get one and like play with it and then of course he leaves it on the carpet He doesn't put it away and we've tried to talk to him about it. He's a good boy, but that's the one thing he won't do and and so Okay, like I would say maybe 50% of the time The vacuums can see that there's a pipe cleaner and routes around that the other 50% of the time I have to pick up the vacuum and pull the pipe cleaner out of the off the thing It depends on whether it's bent up You know while sitting on the floor and has some height to it Or if it's just if it's a pipe cleaner flat on the floor That's really hard for it to tell the difference between that and and like the carpet So but but yeah, no that the dog poop thing it it routes around all kinds of stuff It just it like I am with all of this like the current generation of lidar based robot vacuums I am routinely Pleasantly surprised to just come back to the house and find the thing back on its dock with the floor freshly vacuumed It's like wow it just didn't you know didn't didn't get stuck somewhere It didn't you know so that's pretty good While we're on the subject of vacuums I did find another thing in my prep for CES that that is in full force right now And it's the Alper seagull se it's a pool robot. So it is a cordless robot that goes and swims in your pool and And and cleans your pool for you. I don't have a pool So I wasn't even aware that these things existed But but this one looked pretty cool that there's a video of it And it just goes around and cleans all the surfaces underwater You know it does its does its whole thing and then when the batteries low it comes out and charges and comes back So I just figured a place on its website there. There is a buy now link on the website pd It's 249. Oh my god, that is amazing because I have a courted one for my pool Okay, which came in somewhere just shy of 1500. Oh Yeah, so these things are not cheap and the comment I was gonna make Regardless is if if you're considering installing the pool Don't do not Do not pass go do not spend $200 do not get the self-cleaning pool jets They're a rip-off. They don't work the springs jam. They don't turn They they don't do what their advertised to do and supposedly they've gotten better over the years My pool guy says crap. Don't do it. Don't buy it. It's not worth it And so about four years ago, I bought myself a pool robot to go around But it's a courted one and it goes around and it it has made my pool cleaner in the last four years than at any Time since it was newly installed So those things that that's a great price I think I may get that and keep it in there most of the summer because the other one I have haul in and haul out and yeah being a fifteen hundred dollar piece of gear It's not something I just leave out in the sun all summer, right, right? Well, if you order so we recording this on the 9th It's releasing as as I'm sure most of you will realize on the 12th But they also have a $30 off coupon. That's good through the 14th. So you can 20 299 yeah, man. Yeah, yeah a penny less than 220. So yeah Stuff we've got Questions we've got more cool stuff found. 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It is linked from the show notes at mac keekeb.com or mgg.fm slash 959 The uh, but it's interesting. He puts a diagram in there right at the top of the article that shows us The varying level Of where spotlight lives and where problems can exist And it shows us that only the very surface of it the leftmost column in in howard's article Are things that we get to see the rest are sort of buried and and he's got some tools of course and To to help us find what's going on and see what's happening and and of course some advice on how to fix some spotlight problems, too But uh highly recommend checking it out again It's linked from our show notes and and just being aware of what's going on over there at the eclectic light company Is a good thing. So thanks alex s for that Uh thoughts on that before we before we move on from from either of you guys No, all right, um if you How do you bring it up here? What do you need me to bring up? No, if you bring up, um The search the spotlight search i'm trying to remember what the key combo is to do that command space command space ah There it is quick tip. Yep. Um If if the um machine is indexing you should see a progress bar there. Just thought I'd mentioned that sure. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I think I think and and howard I think he goes through some of that But he's looking at some of the more sinister things because if you if you look even without that progress bar Some like sometimes my mac is like when I wake up my laptop I see md worker and mds store Just crunching away and there's no progress bar or anything. It's not the initial indexing. It's the On the fly. I need to do stuff and for some people that never ends. So yeah Yeah, or if it if it crashes or something it may leave an extra behind That's true your space. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff Uh I believe this also came from that that came from a comment and discord that alex s left at of course mackeycup.com slash discord The next one also comes from discord this time from andrew I think it was from discord might have been twitter andrew the eight the 8,764th So it's good to know which andrew you are. We appreciate that recommends these lightning adapter cables. So we've talked about Various ways of dealing with the scenario where you have A, you know a usb-c cable to plug into either a usb-a port or a lightning port This is usb-c to lightning But instead of it just being an adapter which may not fit into your iphone because you have a case on it This is a short cable that has a male lightning port on one end and a female usb-c Port on the other end so you can link everything together Charge your iphone usb-c if all you've got is a usb-c cable. So smart thing probably they're not cheap They're like 19 bucks on amazon. But yeah, but throwing one of these in your travel bag. I don't know about you Might be a good insurance policy to have to make sure again more stocking stuffers, you know I gotta go three or four of those. I'll tell you what I did do this year with stocking stuffers for everybody I got usb A female to usb-c male and vice versa usb-c Female to a male I got a bunch of those little adopters to clip on the end of the cords and then the other thing I found Was see there's these little rubber loops that go around the cord And then the adopter so you don't so it stays with the cord I know what you're talking about. Yeah Just so get those so the so those little adapters don't disappear on you So I got a bunch of those going you got to give us links to that piece. We're gonna put those in the show You guys make things hard No, we're making things easy for our listeners are the listeners you hard on me because i'm trying to pay attention and find a link You know, well, that's the thing you could you could give me the link after the fact this show doesn't go up I'll get Yeah, listener allison shares with us A nice inexpensive alternative to apple's air tag and this is the yufi security smart track link As as she continues about it Maybe it's better for the uh, which airport is my luggage in problem as opposed to where are my keys in the house? Oh, this is because it lacks precision finding. So it's like The other third party air tags that that lack the what is it the ultra wide Ultra wide band is that what bluetooth ultra wide band? I thought that was just for cell phones I always get these terms confused man Uh, it is currently unavailable at amazon. So everybody else has put this in their stockings But uh, it does exist. Maybe it's available it from uh from anchor slash yufi directly But yeah, it was when I found it. It was less expensive than apples quite a bit less expensive. So yeah, that's good I like seeing Third party things contributing to the find my ecosystem While I certainly would never Uh Break any embargoes or nda's that I might or might not have What I would say is I bet that there's going to be a lot, but I won't actually take that bet But I would guess that there's going to be a lot of things at ces products that are Integrating into directly into apples find my ecosystem and I can't wait to go learn about them and tell you about them Which we'll be doing uh early next month speaking Of yufi while we're here. I have I mentioned that I was uh, that I was more closely monitoring my weight recently with great success and uh, I had the original yufi smart scale And started using the new yufi smart scale p2 pro and It adds a bunch of different sensors to it for sure and and I like that But one the best thing that it adds or the to me the most important thing Is it adds wi-fi and the reason I like this is because With the with a bluetooth so it's bluetooth and wi-fi whereas the original yufi scale was bluetooth Smart scale was bluetooth only and the problem with bluetooth only Is that I had to have my phone It like my phone needed to be in the right mode now Sometimes the yufi app would have launched in the background and even my asleep phone like on my bedside table would be Uh ready to receive the sick bluetooth signal from the scales and then and then what's really nice is once yufi Receives once the app receives that stuff from the scale it can populate apple health and do all the things that you wanted to do with permission of course, but But it uh, it wouldn't always do that So I would have to like go get my phone and either just type in my weight I actually set up a series shortcut to do that So that I could just say my my weight into the thing and it would populate apple health So there's another quick tip for you But this one is wi-fi and so it will uh, if it doesn't it's smart too Hence the term if it doesn't see a bluetooth signal Then it will do the wi-fi connection because wi-fi costs more energy So it's battery powered you don't want it to do that when it doesn't have to but uh, but yeah It it works well and it's they've got measurements now in the app for Uh for pets even and a in a procedure to weigh so I was able to weigh pucky And I see that he weighs like just a little over 10 pounds. He's a little cat, but he's a good cat and uh And so, you know, you you weigh and you say oh, yeah I'm gonna measure the cat and it says which cat you give it a name And then you weigh yourself and then you weigh the cat and it it nets it out for you I mean, it's just simple math, but still it's like it asked is your pet Uh, is your pet capable of standing on the scale by itself? It's like, yeah, that's not gonna happen. So Uh, but yeah, so it's a I I've been impressed with this thing There's like I said, there's all kinds of new sensors and stuff and it's a measure different other things about your Um, your your your health and your body and this one measures your your heart rate too when you stand on the scale In addition to all the other things. So, yeah, it's a it's a nice upgrade and amazon right now has it for 65 bucks I think it lists prices 80. So Your mileage may vary depending on when you listen and when you check but good stuff Thoughts on that before we uh, we move on Nope, yes. No. All right Okay Uh, the next school stuff out there it is there Yeah, is anybody out there the next school stuff found comes from listener ben And it's called sling studio. Um, we were talking recently about how Uh, the shoot app supports multiple iPhones as cameras And ben asked are you familiar with sling studio? Which is another approach to using multiple cameras on a video meeting or a live stream experience And I had never heard of this before but like this is really interesting to me because You it's it's its own ecosystem it you bring in your like the the sling studio base station and Some sling studio camp so the hub they call it and then uh some sling cameras and it's this all in one You can link it to your you can you can link it to uh, like They have the sling studio camera link which will link presumably to your hdmi cameras But then also they have an iphone app so you can use your iphone for this But the nice part is it's all linking to this sling studio hub So you don't need to worry about like for example If I wanted to do a multi cam shot of one of the bands that i'm in All I would need is this thing I don't need to worry about the venues ability to provide me with wi-fi or any of that stuff You just you know and you can go hdmi into this thing or you use the wi-fi to the with the sling studio camera link Or just wi-fi to your iphone to the sling studio app So this is a cool thing if you're looking to do multi cam Especially in a portable scenario Weddings would be one place to do it like I said gigs with your you know Like if you're trying to live stream with a band or something. So yeah, I'm oh, that's awesome Yeah, I know on a tripod over in the corner out of the way exactly. Yeah If you're into that kind of thing my friend davis thurston just came on Another podcast I do call gig gab for musicians. He cooked up this whole way of doing multi cam streaming that is Amazing and is worth checking out and and I'll put a link in the show notes to that episode Yep, yep Lastly But not least Lee in our cool stuff found for today Is the um easy quest Ultimate plus dual hdmi usbc 12 port hub with 100 watts of power delivery This thing You know it aims to do it all and it's really it's even built for m1 max so that you can do the multiple video And it'll it'll take care of that for you As I said, it's got 100 watts of usbc Power delivery gigabit ethernet. There's four usb 3 ports on it. It's got an sd card and a micro sd card audio out Did I say gigabit ethernet because it has it it's right there? Yeah, it's a it's a and it's a it's a hub that's like a little bit smaller than a mac mini So, you know, it sits nicely on your desk and it's got you know usbc in and out. So yeah, it's a it's a pretty cool Yeah, pretty cool thing. So how much is that? Uh You know, it's not currently available at amazon. So I don't have it up in front of me, but uh, I'm sure It's our friend homer would say oh Yeah, yeah, exactly Um, all right. Well, I guess 170 if you go buy it from uh from easyquest it is 170 So and and it looks like easyquest has a 10% coupon if you go to their website and wait So I will put that link in the show notes as well And uh, and we'll go from there. Yeah cool Now I got something to give my wife as a birthday wish Does she need a new hub for all of her stuff for them? Oh for oh for your birthday Right. Got it. Here's an idea. Here's an idea. No. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's my first idea. I gave her. I'm like, okay Okay, not another new airplane Pete. No, come on. Well, there's that so Actually, it was a pretty cool little is like this Bartender thing you push the button and it gives you a manhattan or a whiskey sour I I we've seen something like that john I remember at one of the pep comms. I think it last year's no not last year's maybe 2019 ces. It's interesting. Yeah Um, yeah, well now that I've mentioned it. I guess I had to go through it's called bartesian Okay, tizian.com. So we'll put it in the show notes. All right If they aren't particularly cheap, but uh, looks really cool You know just saying that, you know, so anybody out there looking for a birthday gift for pilot Pete That's right. That's right Yeah Yeah, I feel like we've seen you already got linked in you're fast. Um, you know, it's kind of how I roll man It's uh, yeah, oh and I thought I had it up on on the screen for those watching the video I do now. Yeah this thing I feel like we've seen this Before Yeah, uh, yeah, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I definitely have seen this before. Yeah. Yeah 30 second process And boom, there you go. Let's get it made. It'll make you an old-fashioned It won't make you old-fashioned. It'll make you an old-fashioned and it's little capsules, right that it comes You know, that was obviously cost extra. This is this is not a Cheap, uh proposition, but it is it, you know, it's it's definitely a luxury, but it looks like it makes Really nice drinks. Yeah That's kind of cool Uh, interesting Interesting. All right. Thank you. Sorry folks. Just show guest. Scott more expensive Yeah, well cool stuff found is never the cheap segment on the show. Let's help people shall we Pete? Do you want to Help Erica unmute her husband? Yeah, so uh, there's no double standards here, you know So if I were to write you guys and say how do I mute my wife? I think I'd get in trouble But she writes how I unmute my husband Totally fine. Totally fine. Good morning gentlemen. All right. There's some assumptions there that have been made I'll skip past that So lately I've been having issues with my iphone 11 pro max with my messages on my husband's phone Which is an iphone 8 that says my message is silent. I have not changed anything on my end I've gone to the apple store and the guy whips through the changes settings or whatever so darn fast That I don't get to see what he did. I'm not even sure if it's my phone or even my husband's We both have up-to-date iOS's and I'm not sure what to do next Um, so first of all, yeah, that's frustrating when something like that happens because it would have been for the guy to go And here's what I did so that if it's fixed Now you know how to fix it yourself next time or prevent it from happening in the first place So I share that frustration fish shake to the apple genius on that one Help out guys show them what you're doing. So I'm what you're doing. Yeah We all need it like that's why we walk through all the things we do on this show is is our goal is to make you Uh, you know, we we say you don't have to be a nerd to listen or a geek to listen Whatever you want to say, but listen long enough and it'll happen. Yeah, and that's our that's our goal Exactly. So if you'll bear with me, you know, what was her problem? I don't know whose phone was it even she doesn't know so neither do I But I had some thoughts that I put down in an email back to her So bear with me as I read through it. I'll try not to sound like I'm reading so much. But um, I I had some thoughts that I think will help other people So first make sure you're not in a focus mode like do not disturb or any other focus mode that inhibits notifications from messages And to check this on your phone, uh, you can either go into the control center or go into the settings app So on her phone, which is the I think she said the 11 or the 12 Anyway, it's one of the newer ones that not the eight which is what her husband has You swipe down from the top right corner on your phone that gets you into the control center And you can look for the do not disturb or some other focus mode that you're in And if you're in do not disturb, it will likely inhibit message notifications unless you specifically change that setting As you configured Your focus mode The other way is to go into sends and scroll down. I think it's about 12 from the top, uh in settings Go into the focus setting and there you can edit each different focus mode and create new ones To allow or inhibit notifications from specific people in applications And I tell her this is a really powerful feature that can be leveraged to stop Calls from both scammers and telemarketers Uh a little time with an ios tutorial that you can find on google anywhere can help you learn how to set up the focus mode People I urge you if you haven't played with the focus mode on your phone It is one of the most powerful and cool things that you could do to configure Uh your phone. Uh now here's what I do. I have Called personal which is where my phone spends most of its time And it only allows calls and messages to come through with that call or sender is in my contacts So if you're not in my contacts and you call me, sorry, you're going to voicemail Leave a message and I'll get back to you and then I'll get you in my contacts. Oh, that's okay That's an inch. I I was gonna ask like how many focus modes do you use p? And I realize i'm taking us down a yeah, yeah rat hole here Let me look it up right now. I know how many like I I'm sure if you're like me You've probably configured more than you actually use on a regular basis. So I'm just like this one Clearly you use it Fairly regularly, but I never thought about like I like that idea of limiting it to like using a focus mode to limit It to just contacts that are getting through so that you have an easy way of switching out of that particular limitation Yeah, right and in general leaking if it's a if it's a doctor's office that I haven't heard from before or something Then then they're gonna leave a message if I'm expecting a call from somebody that I've known in my contact I'll take it out of the personal mode So make sense so that it does come through but yeah, so that I Counting them up right now. It looks like I have seven focus modes Do not disturb and that lets my family people only in my favorites list to come through So okay, so you've even tweaked do not disturb a little from that lets people in my favorites list get through on the first call Okay, my mother's 96 years old if she wants to call me in the middle that I need I need to take the call So even in do not disturb. She'll get through Um, I have a work mode which I almost never use. I haven't even looked at it in a long time to figure out What's going on sleep mode? I almost never use. I put it in do not disturb podcasting mode I have let's nobody but through but you and fig the guy I do my other show with and john Could text me in the podcasting mode And then the driving mode. I just left in the default so that it notifies people. Hey Um, I'm driving if it's important, you know, call me But otherwise I'll get back to you when I still I'll get the message when I stop and then I'll call you Got it right you back. So john what what do you use focus modes yet john? No, okay? So, uh, we need to get so filtering calls out Um, I think it's called silent mode So that's how I handle calls from people who are not in my contacts is sure phone won't ring unless And then I delete them from my incoming call list. I don't block them. I think we talked about this before I don't block the numbers because they're ever changing the spammers like I keep getting Calls to 203 984 I'm not giving the whole number. Okay, but no I get numbers Coming into me that are originating from the same prefix that my phone has got it Yes, right. That's a common tactic. Yeah, exactly. Yep Yeah, no, I'm not gonna so john when you say silent mode are you just talking about the switch on the On the side of the phone so that No, it's I think it's in cellular Oh, yeah, there you can I think it's in settings phone where you can say Mute silence unknown callers so that you go to settings phone silence unknown callers is what john's talking about there Gotcha, okay. Yeah, it'll ring actually if your phone is unlocked though Is I think if that's the if that's my recollection of that I believe that's if you happen to be looking at your screen or playing a game or something like that It's going to ring through. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't ignore calls from unknown callers It just doesn't let them buzz your phone or or or or alert you But but you'll see it if you're on your phone Yeah, okay So I as far as focus mode because I think this is this is interest because I've certainly learned something from your focus modes pete So I have I have lots that I've configured do not disturb is essentially on by its default Which is let nothing through so that's fine I have created a mode that I call nuclear Which lets my family through So that's like what sort of what you're do not disturb is I don't quite use my favorites because I use my favorites differently But I specifically let certain people through when I'm in nuclear mode I have my podcasting mode, which is the same as yours I do use sleep mode automatically I have it set to to be on and off in sleep mode I just found it nicer than using auto do not disturb at night Because I have different sleep schedules during the week and on the weekends And so with sleep I was able to set those in like the health or sleep settings on the phone And then the auto sleep mode follows it Which I would love to be able to do but as I travel across many time zones and yeah Play nights and play days. It just Yeah, that would drive you crazy. Yeah And the only other one that I use is the reading mode Which I think was a default That came from apple And I've set it to go automatically into reading mode when I launched the kindle or the iBooks app or the books app I guess it's not iBooks anymore On any of my devices. So as soon as that is the frontmost app. I am in reading mode It's still not as good as having a kindle a k a a dedicated device That I can't choose to jump out of reading mode and go like look at my email or check social media But it is better because in reading mode. I get no notifications from anyone I can recall that one, but uh, it's been an apple one Maybe it was one they they like walked me through setting up. It was it was not my idea I have a feeling apple sort of told me about it somehow, but um, but yeah, so Okay. Yeah, all right. Let me can Back to erica, please. Thank you, erica. Yeah, so um So to get to the control center on your husband's iphone 8 Go on the home screen and you swipe up from the bottom center just above the home button Okay, or as mentioned above go into the settings app and then down into the focus mode Um, and I noted the difference here I happen to have an iphone 8 in the house Which is my son So I was able to say, you know if I send a message to my son and his phone is in do not disturb I don't get an alert telling me that my note that he has notification silence But my wife has an iphone 12 and if she has notification silence, it does tell me hey They have notice she has notification silence. Do you want to send it anyway? Do you want to alert her anyway? So I don't know why the difference. Um, that difference would be One of two things number one That your son isn't on A new enough version of ios to participate in that discussion, right? Yeah, I but I think he's on 16 I don't know. I'd have to look more than likely it's reason number two that he has gone in and told his phone not to share that status with people that he messages with And I am trying to remember Where you do that And I can't so maybe somebody in the chat will Uh, we'll we'll share that with us and then we'll we'll put that Well, I noted I wanted to note that when I'm in the do not disturb mode on my phone My son does see the message that tells him I have notification silence And he's off for the option to notify anyway, which pushes the message through to me if he accepts that up so Oh, no, no, no Yes, uh, so if you go into settings focus all the way at the bottom is focus status And it says when you give an app permission it can share that you have notification silence when using focus and uh Apps that you allow. Yeah, and so I can I've turned that's that's something you turn on but then I think You also have to turn that on in Somewhere else. I feel like it was somewhere else But we'll we'll we'll get there if we don't share it in this episode It's coming in the next one or join discord at mackeycup.com slash discord and we'll share it there too. Yeah. Yeah Um So and then secondly I wanted to make sure that the phone that the receiving the messages Isn't in the silent mode and or the ringer isn't turned all the way down So that little the little flip switch turns it from audible down to to buzz only and then And then the volume has to also be up if it is in the audible mode um And then lastly in the settings app if you go to messages and make sure notifications are enabled allow notifications Should be toggle to the on position and if that's off you won't get a notified when a new message comes in So those are three things I have for erica and her and her husband And dave has a fourth John do you have any before I share my fourth? Do you have anything to any ideas on why this might be happening for erica or anyone else listening? So You gotta not have loudest head. No. Yeah, not more loudly. Yes, exactly Please for the so that the listeners, which is most of them can hear you. Um We actually I shared this in an episode. I don't know a month than a half ago or something I had exactly erica's symptom with my daughter where She would text me and I would realize sometimes a day later that she had texted me I'm like, why do I keep missing notifications from her? And the reason was I had her muted in messages You can go in and mute a specific conversation You can now mute it for you know an hour 24 hours or forever, right? Uh, I had her on forever mute and you do that by tapping going into messages tapping on the person's name to get their like info thing and then Choosing or not choosing the hide alerts option and sure enough I had hide alerts on for my daughter and I had no idea because I had no visual indication of this When in a normal messages list You will see a little, uh, you know like bell with a slash through it for people that are muted However, I have my daughter pinned to the top of messages on my devices And there is no visual indication of having muted someone when they are in the pinned mode So I had no idea that I had muted her. I don't know when it happened. I don't remember doing it um It might have been like a You know a mistimed swipe of something I don't know But somehow I muted her and I had to go and unmute her and it wouldn't surprise me if that Is what happened to erica because she probably has her husband pinned That's a pretty common thing to do with you know people you text often And if she's muted him then he's muted on all her devices so There you go. All right. Well, that was a a long answer Uh with lots of tangents which we'd love you were but you know, she said in her email She wasn't even sure if it was fixed or whose phone it was so that left that made it a nebulous question With a more nebulous answer. I like it. No, the nebulous answers are good. That's where that's where the learning comes in Yeah, so uh john speaking of nebulous questions. You want to take us to ben? Sure Ben says in 952 you discussed iphone storage in response to sarah's question about system data using a lot of space on her new iphone 14 However, you never really answered her question and instead went down a rabbit hole about apps and storage associated with those apps What we never would do anything like that Rabbit System data itself is a bit of a black hole and I haven't found a clear answer about What's there or how to make this usage smaller even wiping and restoring the phone has improved and useful to me However, I was going to reach out to you on behalf of a client who recently asked about it as well Can you revisit this question? Sure Um, what is system data formerly called other? Why does it take up so much space on some devices and is the right way to consolidate it? Um, all right. Well The good news is I don't have this problem. No, I looked at my phone just to get reference point and My system data is only six gigs out of 256 Okay, I don't know what i'm doing or not doing that that causes that Um, and just to bring everybody along with us settings general and then either iphone storage or ipad storage To get this right. Are we talking about it on the on the iphone, right? Correct. Not the mac. Okay, great. Yep. Yeah, so so you're right That's where you go to see how much you're using. Yep um And I found an article that has a few additional tips Other than doing a restore, um, and they mostly have to do with messages and safari how you can Purge, uh caches or other things that they're doing Um, there's also some options you want to you may want to suggest that your client turns this on Is that if you go on iphone storage it may give you some tips like Um, things you can enable like offload unused apps auto delete old conversations and review large attachments And we will link to that article I would be very careful about each of those three things make sure you're choosing them intentionally I mean they will do exactly as they are labeled but The one side effect I found of offload unused apps is if there's an app that you only use occasionally Let's say for example when you're on an airplane If it unloads that app because you don't use it frequently enough And then you get on an airplane where you don't have wi-fi or you do have wi-fi But the planes wi-fi system blocks the app store which happens on some airlines Now you don't have access to that app the same Caution would would come with offloading You know messages or whatever Your messages are not backed up anywhere. So if you quote unquote offload that's not offloading That's deleting and removing forever The contents of those messages and this is something I think apple really needs to address We need a way to to store our message history that doesn't involve having 100% of it on all of our devices at all times So yes, they're right that doing these things will free up storage But at a cost make sure you're aware of the cost. That's all I'm That's that's what I have to add. Thank you for coming to my TED talk Please continue mr. Brunner um I think that's about it. I'm gonna link to this article But um, I mean the other things I could try I mean Cycling power usually may help it right Yeah, uh, that's one way we're doing a restart there There's a place you can do a restart on the phone that may clear things up it clears things up with With computers too like for example this machine. I have it reboot um Every wednesday at I think noon Which was funny because we were doing a show a couple of shows ago. We're at wednesday It was on a wednesday and all of a sudden I get a notification on my screen saying i'm about i'm going to restart in In 60 seconds. Oh, that was who recorded prefix. Oh, no, no, no Yeah, yeah, I don't do that. That's right. Yeah, yeah But that but you can't do that on your iphone, right? There's no way to auto restart your iphone your ipad So that would be not that I know. Yeah. No, that would be one way um I also recall The a way of forcing the system to sort of do its what i'll call garbage collection and which often involves Cleaning up the cruft that's in that, you know system data category Is to fill it with a movie so download a large movie From you know your mac to the the phone or even start downloading a large movie And you can even do this from the iTunes or the apples music movie store whatever we call that now I don't even know what these names are apple changes them so often But you know what I mean as soon as you start downloading something that is larger than the storage you have left It's amazing the garbage collection That ios or an ipad os will do to make room for this thing that you should have room for to begin with So that I haven't used that trick in a while But I know that that trick has worked in the past just going and downloading something from the store that's massive You don't have to finish the download Just let it like start the process and it's going to be like, whoa, I got to clean out this I've been lazy here. Let me get on that and it'll get on that. So that's Do you see doing that for preservation of the ssd? You know, it's not writing overwriting garbage files because it doesn't need them to yet or Well, it's not overwriting anything. It's just marking those Sectors as so yeah, this isn't ssd preservation like because there's no writing happening. It's just Let's let's mark this this space as potentially writable. That's okay. Okay. Yeah Yeah, so I don't I don't know. I don't know what the yeah, it's kind of frustrating because Uh, if you if you click on the other system data, um Or a system data category It says system data includes caches logs and resources currently in use by system The value will fluctuate according to system needs. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for that useful useful Yes, very very useful message Uh, we've got a little bit of time We we promised that we would circle back to the bluetooth thing that we talked about at the top of the show Pete you want to take us to gary? Sure, uh, I can I can do that gary rates stupid That's exactly how I felt when I used my bluetooth magic mouse to turn off bluetooth on my iMac. Oh Yeah, hang on hang on here it is Oh, yeah, don't do that here I was trying to pair a set of uh headphones and they weren't showing up So I thought hey turn it off then back on cycle it, right? Yeah, uh age old fix Nope Since I had to dig out of a box A wired mouse that I wasn't certain would work Well, you did But what an error on my part, please Nobody do this So on a hunch I I wouldn't did it Okay, because I could so But but just to prove a theory and I probably should have had a wired mouse ahead of time just in case but What I did is I went and I used the mouse and I turned off bluetooth on the iMac and off it went and nothing could Nothing worked. Yeah, so I just held down the power key until it went off and then Pired it back up and it came back up and it paired up and it was good to go Ah So even though you had turned bluetooth off I turned it off the default is to turn it on when it powers up because it needed to You know get the bluetooth keyboard to log in and the bluetooth mouse and that sort of thing and then it occurred to me Okay, you know Good good thing you kick the horse out of the barn and then shut the door Probably should have made sure before hand and I did have it enabled to be able to ssh into that computer and oh, yeah, and And restart it else I'd have you know, I don't know been humping over the apple store To find a wired Yeah, fired wired mouse and or keyboard to get the machine back up and running and oh by the way It was my wife's machine not mine so I recommend keeping a wired keyboard in your home somewhere and and Pete you live close enough to me and you know how to get into my office There is almost always one sitting collecting dust on the desk right by my office door So if you ever need it feel free come by and grab it. Yep I did while you were talking about this though thinking about gary's need to You know power cycle if you will the bluetooth uh on his mac I looked at jeff's list or the list that jeff sent us jefton lawyer jefton created Of awesome terminal commands and yes, there is sudo kill all hub dash hub and that's the key one bluetooth d that will restart it and And in theory that would uh that would bring it back around so I will put that command in the show notes right there and we'll uh, well, you know We'll do that. I I we're we're we're getting towards the end. We we found many tangential things But I I wanted to I wanted to share something that caught my ear I was watching the CES did this thing called the media preview Uh, which is which a a can zoom presentation last week, I guess Just you know sort of preparing us for the things that we might see the big trends and the things we might see at CES and of course they were telling us how You know, they expect there to be a great deal of attendance this year because that hasn't that didn't happen last year And it didn't happen at all the prior year so But gary Shapiro the head of cES or whatever said In talking about getting together Instead of like in a spot where I would normally expect someone to say we need that in-person experience He said and he was communicating that we need that in-person experience, but the language he chose Said something really interesting It's this isn't tin foil hat moment about cES or anything It said something interesting about where we might be going Especially with ar and vr and things like that down the road instead of saying we need that in-person experience He said we need that five cents experience And as soon as he said it, yeah, I was like wait, what did you just say like that's a weird Because because if you rewind let's say 50 years, right? Saying we need that five cents experience communicates we need to be in-person But with where technology is heading it's not there right now But where technology is heading there's a world where we could get that five cents experience without being in the same physical location with one another smell of vision well, I mean like like you know, so It was just an I don't know like it was an interesting thing when uh when I heard him say that I don't know Does it Thoughts well at least three of the five senses, right? I mean site sound Maybe maybe some touch which augmented reality would would provide. I don't know that smell and taste is Yeah that essential but yeah, I don't know. I think I think smell Is more important to us than we give it credit Well, there are good smells and bad smells so I can do without the bad ones, right? But uh, yeah, and you're right. Yeah people That's big. Yeah, there are there are where did I where was I the other day where I walked in and I said yep It smells like a something it must have been somewhere in New York Uh, and maybe it was just walking out on the street in New York like the small now the streets of New York smell like the streets of New York and you get like I mean all the city smells of like, you know the various infrastructure But also at this time of year the smell of roasting chestnuts, right happens on the street in New York That the smell of you know a sobrette hot dog Cart right like those things are part of that Experience and you don't necessarily Like smell is a really strong sense In that it has the ability to to conjure memories and and relate things in ways that that You know site doesn't necessarily Do I mean, obviously we use site in different ways, but I don't know smell creates an environment for our brains and And it's You know like right now it's interesting. I'm I'm thinking about I know I had that experience I can't tell you where it was And it's because I'm not having that smell Right, right like next time you could you could be in downtown of porchmouth and get that and you'll go Oh, that was just like in New York or just like when I was in this certain place in New York And and then my mind's I'd be visualizing that place in New York, right So yeah, it's it's it's interesting and obviously smell and taste are very interconnected. I don't know I don't know One other quick thing Is that you know, we do this video now we do the podcast via video And you know, I don't know 10 did Do we remote in once audio only I think it's always we were in audio No, but did we ever do the show? Well, no, that's true with john for years when I was coming over to your studio to do it We didn't have john on video No, it was just audio. It was just skype. Yeah, and and I had somebody Talked to me about the the show that I'm doing. So there I was We recorded on zoom with video And it's like, oh, it's so much better to see the person's face or to see them laughing or to have them, you know Tilt their head and go, but oh, okay. It communicates so much more without words Yeah, kind of like john nodding. No Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, okay, there's communication going on there that the benefit of being able to see the person is so much more important Than we give it a credit for if you don't think about it. Yeah. Yeah. I just found it interesting I I mean, I'm I'm looking forward to getting back to ces Uh, I mean, it's the last time we were there was early 2020 We did we wound up bailing out at the last minute last year like most uh other folks did too So I'm I'm eager to get back there. Yeah, for sure. I'm eager to go for the first time. I'm looking forward to this Yeah, same. Yeah, I don't know thoughts on any of this john before we smell of pine needles reminds me of summer camp There yeah Yeah, yeah, I used to go to summer camp up uh actually up in in your state That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah I'll kill you man Yeah, see like now you think of the smell the song comes into your head. Yeah, it's yeah. No, it's like it's it's really it's it the five sense experience creates an Like a scar I don't mean a scar like a painful scar, but it it creates a memory that that gets embedded into us And the more senses we have as part of that experience the more that memory is likely to stick So, yeah, I don't know. It's just interesting Will we be able to create that? um Without And like you said, we're already doing At some level of that Oh, it's gonna give it a shot, right? What's that john? It's luck's gonna give it a shot And yeah work on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they're already doing it at some level I mean with the the the quest is a great device Uh, especially for games, you know, will there be a killer social app for it? I think so. Will it be facebook? quite frankly, I say probably because You know, it's not apple's not going to create a social network Like I would I would be shocked if apple creates a successful social network there It's not who they are. I think they might create a great ar augmented reality device um But I don't think the so I think the social network is the most likely killer app to get widespread adoption And I don't see apple being the ones that create that but I I do see zuck being the one that creates it for better and for worse Yeah, I read somewhere somewhat at apple. I think made a comment that they don't believe that Autonomous vehicle technology is quite there but For that, well, that's totally different. That's a whole different conversation than augmented reality Yeah, but um Interesting that they would say that. I mean it it is literally already happening, but You know, okay, like People create their own realities While ignoring others realities. So sure But um speaking of that. Yeah apples. I guess the the name of their ar slash vr operating system is likely to be x r os extended reality operating system Which is interesting Yeah My son was griping the other day the uh, what's it called? It's not the quest the virtual headset Is it the quest? I think you're talking about the quest. Yeah Okay, well he got one a couple years ago for christmas But now I guess you have to update it and be part of a facebook page that Yes To in order to use it to keep using it which I thought well, that's kind of silly You know, he had some games in there and some things he was doing and Now now you have to have a facebook page in order to keep using it. I'm like that's crappy It's a facebook device man. Yeah. Yeah, that's how it is. Yep Yeah, now he's told my enough son now has facebook Right, right that well that's what and see that tells me That social media will be the killer app for these things like if people are willing To sign up for an account with a service that they otherwise load just to be able to use this like that There's something to that. Yeah Yep. Yeah All right. Well, this sort of is like we baked some of the post show conversation into the uh into the show itself Yeah, if you want to be a part of the post show conversation You are welcome to join us anytime. We're recording live. We we put all of that out You can join us at mackeycup.com slash discord Of course mackeycup.com slash calendar often. Well, it always has the up-to-date stuff Whether or not you'll be able to subscribe to it is Up to the whims of apple servers because their servers are kind of terrible for for that So i'm gonna see if we can cash it somewhere because if we can cash that Uh, just cash the i you know download the ics and have you subscribe to that that might that would work So maybe we can do that. I don't know. We'll see and I don't seem to recall if you've mentioned our twitter handle No, I haven't uh, what's your twitter handle p? At pilot p. What's your twitter handle jon? jonifbrown I'm at dav hamilton. The show is at mackey cab As pete mentioned his podcast. 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