 Good morning, Jeff. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. How are you, Rich? Very good. How are you been doing? I think you're more or less irregular over on the patient subgroup. Is that correct? Payers subgroup, I try to be regular. I disappeared because I had a pretty big project that just came to a hiatus. I'm now back in the flow a little bit. Okay. Well, good to have you back. Glad to see some old names. Thank you. Well, we're just coming up to the top of the hour, and I suspect folks will be getting on the call shortly. I do want to get started. As always, we are recording this, and you should see the agenda on your display. As Wendy had pointed out, I had my video running. That was also the front door to my home office. Anyway, you should be seeing what I'm showing on the screen. We always start by reviewing our antitrust policy, and it's now here, so please feel free to read through that. The upshot is it's all about being a good person, so I don't need to push that any further. Today is interesting because we're getting back to a little bit more of our more traditional agenda. We've had quite a few speakers present, which has been great, and I'm trying to interleave our guest speakers with our regular actions and activities here within the organization, just so that we all stay in sync, particularly with some of the work that we do in this special interest group and in our subgroups as well. That said, I'll talk a little bit more about, we do have a couple more speakers coming up, which is fantastic as well, so we'll get to that. Let's see, I think everybody, well, Erica I think is fairly new, I think she's been on a couple of calls. Erica, did you want to introduce yourself a little bit to the group here if you'd be interested? Sure, can you guys hear me? Yes. Great. Yeah, I'm Erica Birbauer, and I'm in Denver, Colorado, and thanks to Wendy for introducing me to the group. My background is as a pharmacist. I worked in hospital and retail, and recently more in drug information. And my interest in blockchain got started a few years ago when I was investing in cryptocurrency, and then I got really interested in the technology. And a few years ago, the company I was working for got bought by IBM, so I currently work for IBM, and I've done a few projects in blockchain with them around healthcare, and I'm really excited to be here, and hopefully participate in something soon. So thanks for having me. Oh, great to have you, Erica, and you mentioned Colorado. So do you guys, do you and Wendy know each other like out of the Colorado area, out of Denver? Yes, we actually spoke to each other last night. Absolutely. Wow, it's a rare thing to have friends that are actually physically located. Yeah, we have to work on some projects together as well. So yeah, we're gonna utilize our proximity to help us further our interest in blockchain and our networking too, so. Oh, excellent, yeah, and it's a great opportunity to have you joining us, Erica. Thank you so much for participating, and we're always looking for sort of some new blood and insight, and we are continuing to grow, so this is fantastic. So thank you. Thank you. Excellent, anyone else on the call interested in introducing themselves if they haven't already? All right, yeah, I think most of the folks here, I recognize their names, and so thanks for joining us again. Okay, so let's move on to community announcements. So this is sort of an ongoing thing, and I believe Michelle and Epileen are due to kind of finish up in the next couple of months, and they're gonna come out and present to membership when they complete. But they're still in the process of developing their benchmarking study through Cambridge, and they are absolutely looking for enterprise blockchain solutions that are actually deployed and in production right now. They're in the process of developing this very interesting paper, and so if you or anyone you know happens to have a real blockchain solution that is in production right now, feel free to contact them and then let us know, because we'd of course be interested to hear more about what you guys are doing there. And as I said, I think the plan was in a couple of months, that team will come and visit us and talk a little bit more about sort of how things came together. Does anyone else have any announcements that they'd like to make within the community as far as blockchain and healthcare goes? Okay, sounds good. All right, well, so let's move on to our subgroup updates. So I just saw, it looked like Dennis is just getting on the call, which is fantastic timing, and I'll let him get himself set up. Oh, Dennis, good morning, or good afternoon. Good afternoon, how are you doing? Very good. Your timing is impeccable, sir. Thank you, it's very kind of you. So we're just now getting into subgroup updates. Did you wanna talk a little bit about the patient subgroup? We had last week our meeting and we discussed about the possible projects, possible use cases for the patient subgroup. And we have chosen three or no, two primarily interesting use cases. And I hope we can proceed to make it more precise and choose one of the two of them in order to proceed in the next meetings. Well, excellent. Okay, good. And I have a note here, and this is kind of a big deal. So Ben Digi, who's been leading the patient subgroup for a while, has other professional obligations. So he's handing the subgroup over to you, Dennis, is that correct? Yes, yes. Okay. So it's public, do you want to make it public? Well, yeah, sooner or later, yes, so. Okay, you are very much welcome. And thank you. So for everybody that's on the call, Dennis, do you wanna talk a little bit about who you are and actually even where you're calling from because you're in a bit of a unique location. I'm in a beautiful location in Switzerland next to Lake Geneva, and looking to the Snowy Mountains still. And I have been working in the last 20 years in specially digitalization projects. I'm coming actually from Hart Automation and I have been working at the Deutsche Telekom for building architectures plus the workflow automation. I worked at credit fees for IT quality management privately and implemented CMMI. Maybe it's something, it's a term, it's a concept which is familiar, some of us. And I have been working in the last six years as a management consulting and also responsible throsh diagnostics for the product portfolio management. I am very much interested in healthcare, the digitalization and primarily the implementation of blockchain. And I have also a proposal for the subgroup clinical trials and implementation of blockchain. And one of the two of the use cases is my proposal. So, and anybody from the group is very much welcome to join us. And looking forward to your support and commitment. Yeah, excellent. And well, again, thank you Dennis for sort of stepping up. So Dennis and I know each other by way of the HIMPS conference that happened earlier this year. And Dennis, you were also very much involved in the global, oh gosh, what was it called? Now the Hyperledger, the big global conference that happened out of Switzerland at the end of last year, right? Yeah, exactly. It was a good opportunity, by the way. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And so what I'm excited about is the fact that Dennis has this excellent domain experience in the healthcare space, particularly in the European areas there. And that really lends itself to me very well to developing solutions that are not necessarily US centric, and so I'm very happy to have Dennis joining us. And he's already intonated, he's got some great ideas. So if anyone's on the call that isn't already a member or hasn't been on one of those patient subgroup calls, I would highly recommend getting involved. We're at this really nice sort of juncture where as Ben sort of segues over to Dennis's leadership, we have an opportunity to sort of engage new ideas and to think down some very interesting new and different paths through Dennis's leadership. So if you've ever been interested in getting involved in patient subgroup, now would be a great opportunity to do so. Okay, well thank you Dennis. I'm thrilled to have you sort of driving this and obviously gonna be looking forward to seeing how things come together in the next few months. Thanks a lot Rich, it's a very friendly introduction. You're welcome. Okay, so for payer subgroup, Ravish, I don't see on the call and usually he gives me an update on the state of what the subgroup is up to, so I will have to pass on that. I can speak to that. Oh, excellent, thank you Jeff. Well in our last call, we've been mostly working on the blockchain selection framework. And one of the things that's of concern to me is I have no problem developing it under the kind of auspices of the payer subgroup, but it's not unique to payers, it's not even unique to healthcare. And I'm concerned to me, one of the proof of the putting is in how the model we're developing stands up to a wide array of different use cases and we need more inputs from people, we need a more diverse group and I'm not sure how to get there because I think the fact that it's being done under the auspices of the payers group, sort of a limit limits limits who would even think that we'd be doing this work. And so I'm looking for guidance and advice on how we might put this in the right place so that we get a broader, more diverse participation. Good, so good for the update and thanks for taking that, Jeff. So I'll always defer to Sir Ravish on guidance on this, but what I would, what my recommendation would be and we could certainly look at revision of this next time around. We have over a thousand members in the membership here and so my immediate response would be, if we are looking for a little bit more diversity and sort of insight, I would open this up with a nice email framed out from that subgroup to talk a little bit about what the work is that you guys are doing and where your thoughts are and how we can get membership to sort of chip in with their insight and their thoughts on this. Cause again, I always am thrilled and I'm very, always very happy to talk about the SIG in that we have so many members that are already sort of pre-filtered. They're generally speaking, generally they're healthcare professionals in some general context where they have an interest in that space. And then additionally, they have an interest or even sometimes expertise in blockchain technologies. And so this is a great opportunity to say, if anyone is looking for a hand or insight or thoughts that fully take advantage of the fact that we have a very, very large membership that's international here. As a great anecdote, I had a telecon earlier this week with a group out of the East Coast that they're looking to develop a series of academic sessions through one of the colleges out East. And so I basically said, look at, we have this great resource here. Let's put them to use. And so we'll either have them on a future call and or you'll probably be seeing an email coming through that introduces their team and they're looking for resources and insight from folks that want to participate in developing this learning experience. So anyway, so that would be my approach, Jeff. If it feels like you're maybe starved a little bit on the ideas, I would open this up to full membership and see if we can maybe put a little bit more emphasis behind this and a little bit more thought, independent thought through this. And I think that would be the way forward. And just to give a little bit more color on what it is for those people who have no idea what we're talking about. Oh yeah. We're working on a blockchain selection framework and there are many such frameworks out there but I find that most of them don't go very far. I mean, they have a certain use case in mind and they either prove it or don't prove it because that's the way they were constructed. And we have what we're developing is kind of at least a three tier model. Tier one is to determine whether blockchain might even be a usable, a useful solution because it's been applied in a lot of areas where there's really no need for it. Just because of everyone's enthusiasm, we're kind of seeing everything as a nail and we're a hammer. So the first tier is to determine whether blockchain has a reason to be considered as a solution. The second tier, which can't really be completely done until we finish the first tier, is then to determine if blockchain might be appropriate which blockchain model you need to use might be best. And that would be, should it be a public or a private blockchain? Should it be permissioned or permissionless? Those types of considerations. And the third tier, which is well off in the future and I think probably after there's been a consolidation in the industry is once you know what class of blockchain you want, which is actually the best blockchain for your particular use case. So that's kind of what the large picture is and we're looking for people to chip in their perspectives. Excellent, yeah, I think that's a good approach and yeah, getting maybe a little bit more amendment to behind it and another round of eyes on it would be probably a very good thing at this point. Okay, well, thanks, Jeff. Just parenthetically, I had mentioned that we have this group that are looking to develop this academic sort of solution out East. It almost sounds like what you guys are developing may be very useful for that effort as well. And so I'll keep that at the back of my mind as we get these gentlemen, I think they're gentlemen. I think they're all men that I've talked to. We'll get them involved in using this SIG as a resource and I think what you're doing might even be beneficial too. Thank you. Okay, well, thanks, Jeff, for stepping up on that. Appreciate it. And so the last of our subgroup updates is for the healthcare interoperability subgroup. I know Stephen couldn't make the call but we did exchange an email this morning. So he's been very busy with some work efforts. I think he's out of San Diego. And so he let me know that they're planning to sort of kick off this particular subgroup because it's fairly new. He is in the process right now of generating some agendas resources. And he's very, very excited because he's already working with Brian Ventow from Instamed who presented here about a month or so ago on some of the resources that they're doing, particularly as it relates to Brian, if you might recall, it gave us a demo where they've implemented FHIR, Fast Health Care and Operability Resources into the fabric architecture. And I know Stephen was very excited about that. And so he's working with Brian on that aspect as well as we had World Cebu present Walter. Oh gosh, I forget Walter's last name. From World Cebu presented as well here. And he talked a little bit about Convector and some of the tools that they're using to help develop turnkey solutions. So Stephen's in process in developing all of this. And he's just about ready to sort of announce this to the membership and sort of have a big kick off meeting for the subgroup. So that's due to happen the next few weeks. So I will certainly keep you posted to that. And I certainly would expect we'll see an email from Stephen out to membership pretty soon. Okay, so we've got some new developments with the ad hoc teams. So Wiki redesign is just, it's ongoing. And this is something that Ravish has been working on. And I think Wendy knows that Ravish and the three of us that's been sort of struggling with some of the issues with confluence. That aside, what I'm gonna just sort of open this up to is if you happen to have any experience with confluence and you'd like to sort of donate your time to help this group out, please let me know either through email or through the Rocket Chat channel. And what we're really looking for is someone to just sort of put their expertise in confluence to help us sort through some of the redesign issues of the Wiki itself and to help with some of the issues that we're having. Particularly, Wendy has this wonderful Word document that's, I don't know, over 100 pages in size, I believe, right, Wendy? And we're just looking for the optimal way to get that imported through confluence. We've been told through hyperledger leadership that we don't have macros enabled and so we're looking for maybe a different workflow here or maybe something real obvious that none of us have sort of come across. So if you happen to be a confluence person and you want to sort of test your metal, feel free to contact me or contact one of us either directly or through the Rocket Chat channel. Okay, any other comments on that? Thoughts? Do we have any confluence experts on the call? Oh, curses, okay. All right, and then we've also got an academic research team in the works. So Logan Wilding has been probably doing most of the sort of shorter term work. Adrienne has been off on something of a sabbatical. So Logan's been updating the proposal for that research team as sort of a backgrounder to that for anyone that might be interested. This is really an effort to identify resources and approaches to develop sort of an understanding of how we engage the academic community in either identifying and vetting or helping to persuade academic research just to do very, very objective work in blockchain technologies, particularly as it applies to the healthcare space. And so that's an ongoing issue. It's a fairly active team. In fact, Nisarg, I see you on the call. Did you want to chime in on any of this or is that pretty good? Yeah, hey everyone. And Richard, I really apologies. Last couple of weeks have been really busy for me. I haven't been able to join these calls too often. And yeah, so I think we do need to kind of jump start a little bit more of the discussion and activities in this. I mean, just from my company, we have been working with a few universities for just being able to get some of their data sets for machine learning, for example. And I think that the discussion does come about like about this ownership and how the IP is gonna, how the IP is gonna work and things like that. So, I mean, I just see there's a good potential and where it'd be nice is to just pick maybe one need by reaching out to them and just being able to narrow down on. I think the best thing to do to keep this project moving forward is get a couple of academic research centers involved in this. So, I think that's the best way to do it else. You know, I think the discussions tend to fade away and things like that. Yeah, yeah, and so I don't see Logan on the call, but yeah, as I said, he has done some work. And so really we just wanted, we needed to pick that up and continue to move forward with it. And I absolutely agree. I think eventually getting an academic institution involved would be very, very helpful at this point. So that's continuing. And again, if you have an interest in that, feel free to contact myself or Adrienne or anyone on that particular team. And we'd be happy to sort of loop you into those discussions going forward. Okay, and then for folks that may have, this may sound familiar to you. So, I wanna say a few weeks ago, we had a conversation. This comes all the way back from the HIMS conference where I had made sort of an observation that a lot of folks coming up to the Hyperledger booth was asking us about whether we had use cases developed and publicly available for people to sort of peruse. And so sort of fast forward. So we now are in the process of developing a use case team for the sake of this special interest group. And again, it's gonna be scoped to healthcare. And Wendy, who's on the call this morning, Wendy has really sort of got the ball moving here. So Wendy, I wanna hand this over to you and you wanna talk a little bit about your ideas and thoughts as we go forward with this new team. Oh, fantastic. So this arose not only from interest, but also the need to tailor use cases that are more than theoretical. And most of you who have seen the literature about use cases understand that very high level of information has been provided, but nothing actionable for healthcare organizations. So as we had been talking about developing more meaningful use cases, we determined under Rich's leadership to create this ad hoc team. So what I would like to propose to this group is that we have a kickoff meeting where we discuss, we determine how to create use cases. There was an excellent article published about two weeks ago from Horst, now I can't think of his last name, Trubelmeyer, that describes how to construct a use case in a meaningful manner that would be, that would be, that whereby academic medical centers and other hospitals would be receptive to the nature of information. And so what I'd like to do is in that meeting that we create kind of a framework for how we're going to write use cases, what specific sections we would want to cover, what level of detail we would want to address so that there's some consistency among the groups so that when we are at hymns, we can present any number of these use cases and they will kind of look and feel the same to the reader, but they will have obviously be tailored to different topics. So the next part is choosing which use cases that we would want to focus on first. I propose that we start small with use cases that have the most potential value add. And so in the hymns book there were five use cases that were very consistently described, so I listed them here. However, we have leadership in our group that has experience in other use cases. So what I would say is that anyone who would like to be part of this use case group participate in this first call and help determine which say five use cases or so that we feel would be most pertinent to start with. Once we have that traction and gain some momentum then we can expand to other use cases that can follow a format. And again, not only would that be more meaningful to our community, but it would also be easier for our members to be able to construct use cases if we provide this template. So I am eager for your feedback and participation on this ad hoc team. Excellent, yeah. And for people that are interested in use cases in general, the article that Wendy has posted up on our Google Drive is really an excellent resource. And so clearly you can even take this out of context. If you're not particularly interested in getting involved in this team, which I would recommend you do, it's still an excellent resource regardless. And special thanks to Wendy for presenting this because it's really an outstanding resource when it comes to sort of developing a proper use case. And I think Wendy, your point was the idea is to do this in a way that we can sort of template this. So it'll make it very easy for us and others to sort of follow suit doing so. Exactly. Yeah, excellent. And so again, if you're interested, please contact Wendy probably easiest or myself, but probably easiest would be through the Rocket Chat channel. And I think what we'll probably do is when we get enough sort of people feedback, we can go move forward with an open meeting and sort of kick the team off. My suspicion is we'll probably generate an email to membership and sort of try to engage the broader group with this because I think this is gonna be something important going forward. And again, just my experience at the conference suggested that this is a very, very significant and issue a particular interest to folks that are still trying to understand where the blockchain value is in the healthcare space. Okay, well. Hello, I just wanted to say something about that. My name is Patricia Buendia, I'm the CEO of SIGNED. And I really welcome this initiative. I have not joined this group for several weeks. I was very busy. But I like this initiative by Wendy. We are actually partnering up with Florida International University. We're located in Miami to write a small business. Actually, it's an STTR, but it's like a small business grant for the NIH. And we've been researching actually in similar ways. What are the efforts or the current projects that are being worked on in academia related to blockchain and healthcare? And as of now, we looked at the NIH. You can look at the NIH report and you can find two phase one grant proposals that are using the blockchain for healthcare. So I am very interested in that and I'd be happy to talk to Wendy and you after this meeting. Oh, excellent. That's fantastic. Thank you so much, Patricia. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know, Patricia, if you were on the call earlier when we were talking about the academic research team, but that also may be a value and of interest to you as well. So we have two different facets that have a kind of correlation. In fact, I'll just point it out that Wendy is kind of the key element of the thing. So special thanks to Wendy for helping to sort of build out this aspect of our understanding in this space. So thanks again, Patricia, for mentioning this. And yeah, we would love to find a way to work with you going forward. Excellent. And then this is a great segue. And again, this is gonna sort of highlight some of the work that Wendy's been doing. She's been very busy and we're thrilled to have her here. And this is actually even a little bit out of date. So Wendy, and I think I announced this maybe about a month ago, but I just wanted to re-emphasize this. So Wendy put together this outstanding resource of blockchain articles, and it's a very large citations list, and I'll just sort of scroll through there. So we have, I believe this is the older document, and we're still in the process of trying to sort out the newer one, which I had mentioned is over 100 pages long. But it is a phenomenal resource, and it's part of the wiki now. And I would highly, highly recommend that for anyone that's doing any kind of academic research using blockchains solutions, particularly in the healthcare space, although this is not necessarily limited to that, this is an outstanding resource. This will get you pretty far down the road. Wendy, did you wanna add anything more regarding maybe the update that we're in the process of getting in? Sure, so I am working on creating just more of a text-based version so that it's easy to update the wiki. Also, I continue to update that resource on a near daily basis, for I put all of the links so that you can find the article yourself. Due to copyright restrictions, we can't provide all the articles, but I can at least provide you the links, and I always provide a note as to whether the article is available through open access, or whether it requires a subscription so that you can, depending on your levels of access, that you know how to obtain those articles. Also, if anyone is working on a particular use case or project, those are small enough incidences where I can share the actual publications with that group. So, and I could probably do it on an individual basis, but we just cannot provide the articles more broadly to the group. So I'm just hoping that that's a great way to start. Please feel free to do word searches and so that you can find additional resources. As Erica and I were talking about yesterday, Erica is also involved in searching academic literature and that because this is kind of a newer academic field, there aren't good indexes yet to be able to find academic articles. So what I've had to do is combine resources from multiple different indices so that we can have a more comprehensive approach. Yeah, excellent. Yeah, and as I had mentioned, we're in the process of revising this. I think we're trying to get into about a monthly cycle. It would be great if we could do it more regularly, but we're, that rolls all the way back to finding someone who's an expert in Confluence to help us go from a very complex word document into Confluence without losing any of the formatting. Wendy's work to date has been phenomenal and we have a very, very nice document that's an excellent resource. And as she points out, some of this stuff is open access. Some of it does require a subscription, but please work with Wendy if you need to get access and she can help to arbitrate that or certainly point you in the right direction. So yeah, very, very good resources. This is just a phenomenal resource. And again, thanks to Wendy for making that happen. Okay, so we do have a couple of other healthcare opportunities that I tried to put before membership. I think this went out to full membership about a month or so ago. And I just wanted to reprise that because we are coming close to the deadline, which is more or less about a week away. So it'd be a quick turnaround here. But the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation is driving two separate challenges. One is social determinants of healthcare, which I don't know, most people probably have a sense that this is kind of a hot topic right now. And so they're looking at a challenge there. And then separately, they're also in the process of, they have an open challenge for home and community-based care. And again, both are closing out at the end of next week. So it is kind of a short notice. And yet, and for me particularly, because my interest and background is in dialysis care, that sort of home-community-based solution, that challenge looks very interesting to me. But realistically, for these things, it's a very, very quick turnaround. As you can see, it's just over a month that it opens and closes. And so we try to do as much as we can do with the time that we have. But anyway, it's there. So if you happen to have an idle week this next week, and again, we can open this up to membership. I think the original email went out about a month or so ago when this opened up. I don't think I got anyone really interested in pursuing this, but I wanted to put it here just in case. Any comments or thoughts? Oh, and I'll just add, if anyone happens to come across these broader challenges that are, generally they're funded through ONC or in this case, RWJF, feel free to pass that along because I'd really like to let membership have an opportunity to get engaged. As Patricia had mentioned earlier, she's working on an STTR, what I always refer to as a sitter. Sitters and Sibbers, kind of they're kissing cousin for small businesses, are all generated through the government. And so every so often a Sibber or a sitter opportunity does sort of bubble up that may be of interest to this community. And I, as a small business owner, I have worked Sibbers in the past, SBIRs, and Sitters, STTRs. And Sitters tend to be more, they have to be wedded with an academic institution. And so I give Patricia a particular credit because those are very, very hard to sort of coordinate, particularly given the short timeframe that they're usually open for. But if you do come across anything like that, please pass that along because I'd be happy to see if we can get membership engaged in these. Okay, so really not a whole lot of new business going on. I did want to mention that, and I mentioned that at the top of the hour, we do have two additional presentations coming up pretty much for the month of June. And so Fernando Latorre of Connect... Oh, where's my Spanish? Connectate Solutiones and Aplicaciones will present on their topic of universal healthcare chain, which is a product that they're developing. They're using Hyperleder to make this happen. And of course, the work that they're doing is in the healthcare field. Fernando had posted an email to membership, oh, about a month or a month and a half ago, I want to say March, April timeframe. And so he's expressing interest in presenting some of the work that they're doing. And so we will have them present in two weeks, which is our next meeting. And then our own Ravish will be presenting on the product that they're developing. Ravish runs a company called Joget. So he'll be talking a little bit more about the solution that they're developing, which is really doing... It's a visual tool set for developing through Hyperleder Fabric. So that'll be in about a month. So that's two meetings out. So really the whole month of June is gonna be, again, guest presentations. And so I think as we get into July, again, we're gonna try to interleave these general meetings with updates with our subgroups and so forth and try to make it a little bit more back and forth. But we have so many great guest speakers that are very interested in presenting that we're trying to find a balance there. And really, we're a little bit early this morning with finishing up on the agenda. So I'd be happy to open this up to any general discussion. And as always, and it's a rare thing when we can get to the bottom of the agenda with time remaining. In fact, I think this is the first time this has ever happened. And so I always want to open this up and say, is there, from your perspective as a member, if there's ever anything that you wanna change or you wanna recommend as far as direction or cadence or just general interest for this, the healthcare special interest group, please feel free to, I mean, this is now the time to bring this up. And I'd be happy to have a very good discussion about where to go from here. Any thoughts, ideas? So it's poor perfect? Is that possible? Rich, this is Nassar here. I just had a couple of... Yes, yes, go ahead Nassar, yeah. Yeah, so I mean, nothing to do with improvements, but just a couple of things. I noticed this home and community care based care challenge. So, as you might know, but let me kind of just introduce me and my company. So I'm heading a telehealth startup and I'll be interested in exploring if there's anything. I am brainstorming a few capabilities for blockchain and how it could be incorporated into the solution. So if there's any folks on this forum that would like to kind of collaborate or brainstorm and see if we can put a quick submission for this challenge, maybe I could help with that or it'll be great to just explore that. Oh, excellent. I will tell us a little bit more about your company. So we are building a... So at the moment, we started off with kind of chronic care, but we pivoted more into health and wellness, but so we are building a telehealth platform that connects with wearables and IoT devices to be able to get the intelligence and analyze it in a way that becomes very useful for both the patient and the provider in a quick way. So one of the challenges that we have is obviously all of this needs to be... Not only be used by, not only needs to be reimbursed, but there's often multiple providers that come on board. So sharing of that information, making sure that it's being done in a very efficient manner is quite key. So I don't have a solution for that right now, but I'm looking at how blockchain can potentially help or what solutions can be used for that. But yes, it is a telehealth framework, so the patient is gonna be in the home and these are wellness providers within the community. So I think it kind of fits that theme. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So I mean, that's where I'm at, but I am looking at certain capabilities and in a very exploratory manner, what can be leveraged for pre-authorization because like a lot of some of these services tend to be included by insurance, some of them not, right? And obviously if there's any way to really, really streamline the pre-authorization and stuff like that on the backend is really painful, by the way. I think that's the first thing that is a big opportunity for something like an automation, or yeah, just take an automation tool to be able to add value, right? Yeah, so let me just sort of ask with the work that you and your team are doing, how do you imagine blockchain intervening and getting sort of interleaved into the solution that you provide? Just a couple of areas. So obviously from the insurance reimbursement side, I think that's one, right? You could potentially do it through clearing houses and all of that. It's just that it's costly, there's many, many reasons why it just doesn't work, right? And then what providers end up doing is they choose a very narrow range of insurance companies that they will support. So that basically really impacts who really gets access to get, you know? Right, right. And then I'll just add that the telehealth particularly, here in the US, we've had legislation that came through at the beginning of this year that really is intended to sort of supplement or bolster telehealth use. And if I recall, there are actually now billing codes, ICD codes that are available, so that provider can actually bill for telehealth, which didn't exist in a mature way as before. And I can tell you that at least through dialysis, and again, my background tends to be more in kidney care, for our dialysis patients, one of the great things by introducing telehealth, particularly for home users, those users that use a dialysis protocol in home, what's really great here is that usually you're supposed to go in on a monthly basis to see your provider. With the legislation that began, I wanna say January 1st of this year, it now moves that so that that person that is doing home dialysis oftentimes in a remote area only has to come in on a quarterly basis. And so where you're at as far as telehealth goes is gonna be a really interesting sort of intersection going forward as far as technology goes because sort of at least again within kidney care, we're imagining that telehealth is gonna start to grow pretty significantly. Yeah, yeah. No, I feel that as well. You know, I also, as I mentioned, started off with chronic use cases and I just think it gets very complex because that's exactly what you said. Okay, so the requirement for this disease is 45 days and then they certain monitoring or remote consultations are still up in the air. So I think psychiatry and wellness is because of mental health and et cetera is a great place to start. It's pretty clean. You don't need to worry about any of that stuff. That's where we're at, we're focusing on. And I think they still have the same issues from a workflow and you know, just the backend is, it tends to get pretty burdensome. And yeah, yeah, so if you really wanna expand the reach and bring some of these things closer to the patient, I think blockchain has tremendous potential. And I think you just need to try a few things because there are other solutions that we know that. But I think it just, whatever is the most efficient and can help kind of just be open about that, okay, can we use some of these new things that are out there because it can provide more transparency and things like that. So yeah, if there's anyone who's interested in learning more or would like to collaborate or would be interested in seeing that, okay, if we can quickly submit something for this challenge, I'll be open to connecting. Excellent. Well, thank you. Thanks for the information. So I do know and I'm gonna put Joe on the spot here. I see Joe Guardliardo. So this is the gentleman that I had mentioned earlier, just sort of in passing. We had a telecon talking a little bit about developing an academic sort of suite for a college out East. Joe, did you wanna talk a little bit about the work that you and your team are doing? Sure, Rich, that would be great. Can you hear me okay? Absolutely. Great, thanks. I was actually, I was just typing you a note to sort of outline what we're looking for, but I appreciate the call out. So Mike McCoy and I are designing and teaching a four course certificate for Jefferson University's digital health. It's gonna focus on blockchain for healthcare and it's, we believe, certainly in the US, it's the first of its kind and that it will be a four course certificate that's gonna basically go through. The first course will be an introduction really to blockchain and talks about everything from the history of cryptography and encryption to obviously Bitcoin and then sort of the evolution to where we are today. The second course will be a little bit of a deeper dive on the technical. We're gonna highlight what we would consider sort of foundational platforms, obviously hyper ledger, fabric and sawtooth would be one of the units. We'll talk about Ethereum and the enterprise side of that as well and some other platforms. The third course is a little bit on legal, a little bit on policy, standards organizations and consortia, basically looking at some of the, some of the opportunities and the challenges in implementing blockchain and healthcare. And then the last course is gonna be a deep dive looking at specific projects that are sort of hitting the main areas, drug supply chain, track and trace, information exchange, credentialing and some others. So we're really looking for, to make this really engaging for the students, we really wanna get some content, some speakers from the community to either talk about how they may be using hyper ledger or to talk about a specific project in a use case. It could be either presentation with existing materials or we can do an interview, all this can be done online but we're really looking to engage with the community to contribute some content for the course because we think that that's the best way for these students to get out their graduate level students when they get out that they have an understanding when they get into the healthcare world as to how blockchain might be able to solve some of the problems that we're facing in healthcare. Yeah, and really I think to Joe's point, it's really what we're looking for is sort of, a very tangible, sort of vetted experience that many of us have already gone through. We don't wanna necessarily see this as just purely academic. It really needs to be wetted very, very closely with sort of our day to day realities and it really is gonna be to the benefit of the students coming out of this that they'll have very apropos understanding of what's really out there and they can get started very, very quickly with that knowledge in hand. So Joe, I think going forward the plan will be we're gonna develop sort of an email. It'll go out to the full membership to try to engage resources to help you develop these courses, correct? Yep, yeah, that would be absolutely. And like I said, we're designing the course and we will be, we're creating our own materials to outline the course, but each course will have seven units, basically seven weeks. And within each of those weeks, we would like to have at least an hour or whatever is the appropriate amount of sort of content and sort of discussion from people on the ground is essentially what we're trying to do. Yeah, yeah, I think that's excellent. And as sort of looping back to the very beginning of today's meeting, I think we were talking with Jeff, the idea is we have over a thousand members within the SIG membership. And so certainly we have the resources available. It's just really reaching out to those resources and people in this particular case that Joe is offering, having people sort of help develop these courses and ideally even in some cases being able to come and speak to talk a little bit about the issues that they're driving forward with. Not exactly, just one last point, Rich. So each of the courses is an online course. And we are expecting that this will have international reach. So we certainly would love to have input from people outside of the U.S. and perspectives on blockchain and healthcare throughout the world. Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, I think you guys are really tracking on something great. And so I think we'd be very happy to help out to the extent that we can. Great, thanks, Rich. Thanks, everyone. Well, thank you, Joe. Okay, and so again, if you're interested, please reach out to myself or contact Joe. And again, the way to do it is either you can always reach me through email directly or of course the Rocket Chat channel for our healthcare stick as well. All right, well, thanks. I think that's pretty much brings us up to the top of the hour. Thanks for everyone for making this another great hour. Very much appreciated. And I think unless anyone else has any closing comments or thoughts. So yes, I just had a question maybe for your Wendy. So how do we, are these use cases kind of, you can just kind of go in and kind of, put your use cases out there or do we have to work with Wendy to kind of filter them out? Just wanna understand that. I'll let Wendy talk to that. Oh, sure. Well, there are two ways that people who are pursuing use cases within this group some are targeted, some people just do their benefit from group participation to create their own use cases and they use them as they like. But Rich and I had envisioned that any use cases that are originating from this special interest group would follow a consistent format. And then we can also determine what dissemination strategies we would use that would best represent this hyperledger group. Yeah, I would agree. And I think that's probably the right way to reproach it. And so to your point, Nisarg, the easiest way to get involved would be to just simply contact either Wendy or myself. And as I said, Wendy and I are gonna put together sort of a schedule to see when we can get a meeting spun up. My guess would be we, this will first go out to full membership because there are always people that can't make these particular calls in the morning. But always express an interest in engagement. And so when we sort of get that feedback back, that'll sort of direct us on how to move forward with a sort of a kickoff meeting. So. Okay, thank you. Okay, all right, well that said, thanks everyone for your participation this week. In two weeks, we'll be hearing from Fernando and that is on June 14th. Again, Friday, seven o'clock in the morning Pacific time. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thanks, Rich. Goodbye, everyone. Thanks all. Thank you. Thank you, Rich. Bye-bye, have a good day. Thanks, thank you, Dennis.