 Hello, Aditya. Hello, Dheeraj. Hello, how are you? Hello, I'm audible. Hello. Yes, Dheeraj, you are. Sorry, I missed that. What did you say, Aditya? I'm really sorry just to give me one minute. Dheeraj was asking whether he is audible or not. So I told him he was audible. Ah, great. Thank you. All right. Forgive me that I'm a little bit behind schedule right now. I need to get the agenda up on screen and then we'll talk through what what we're going to discuss today. Sick meeting is running now. Okay, got it. Sorry, just a minute while I bring up the text really truly it's I shouldn't take this long to get into a text editor. It's not that hard. Okay, good. Here we go. Hello, Alyssa. Good morning, Mark. Okay, so I am going to start sharing my screen and we can talk agenda and be sure that we get all the topics identified. So you should see a copy of the agenda that is currently empty. Yes. All right, so we've got one topic which was communication improvements that I'd like to put somewhere on our agenda for today, particularly communities and so discourse was discussed in the in the in the governance board yesterday and I'm really quite impressed with what it's showing for us. So today is we've got DevOps world is coming right and we've got a contributor summit at DevOps world or associated with DevOps world. And in this case it will be during a pack time zone. So Alyssa and I will be in the middle of our night to to attend that session we look forward to it. Outreach program status seems like a good thing for us to talk to briefly. So we can talk to Google summer of code. Alyssa would you be willing to share current status on Jenkins is the way. Yes, I can. Thank you. Then we've got, and this one we've got the CDF webinar coming soon coming next week, DevOps radio opportunity discussed was discussed yesterday let's talk further about it Alyssa because I've got more questions there and. All right, and, oh, and this one yes press releases to speak to analysts. I got some guidance yesterday that we should talk further about that so. Okay, Jenkins press contact is what I'm going to call it. Now dear eyes there were also topics we noted during our docs office hours that should be brought up here today what were they can you help me remember them. We had a discussion about how we can invite college students also to start contributing to Jenkins. So we wanted our target audience to be called students and how we can approach them. Approach invite them to be contributors. All right, good okay so inviting students to more actively contribute good and that's, that's one that that Alyssa had had been thinking on as well and, and so that's discussion topic. Great, thank you. Okay. All right, very good. I don't remember any other topic. All right, so Alyssa maybe would it be okay if we had you take the active voice on on the DevOps world is coming and we'll, we'll have that one there and then outreach programs I can probably talk to, I can certainly talk to Google summer of code. So dear Raj, would you be okay being the voice here on the university students and we'll interact with you and talk back and forth. And then Alyssa you'll take Jenkins is the way. Yes. So dear Raj in this case what we're what we'll do is have you act as as our authentic student and therefore we'll use you as the test case. Absolutely. Thanks very much. All right, then. What else that needs to go on the agenda. I think it looks good. Okay. All right, so I'm going to mute myself so that I can take notes without distracting go ahead. All right, so, so DevOps world is slated to begin September 28 to the 30th. We do have a lot of Jenkins sessions at the event. The event is virtual this year as well. Next year it's most likely going to be in person event. So a lot of Jenkins topics. We will also have an exhibit area that we will probably need Jenkins experts to help staff to answer Jenkins Q&A questions. And then, as Mark mentioned, we are also planning for a contributor summit during the event as well. And we can go into that further now or later. Mark, we can go I guess we can go into that now. So right now I'm still working this out with the events team to set up the date and such and see what platform that we want to use. It's still in the works, but we are planning for contributor summit during the DevOps world in September. Now, and, and do you think there's a reasonable chance that we could we will be allowed to do it during Asia Pacific, even though the conference itself is not during Asia Pacific time zone, but that still be okay. I think it should be okay so I think the backup plan so if we can't. If, if the conference cannot post the event via their platform, then we'll just go to zoom as our default as our backup plan, and you know, we have plenty of freedom to use it whenever we want in that case. All right, thank you. Okay, so the complication is we will need need a contributor summit agenda. Yeah, participants, promotion, etc. And then we will also have Jenkins workshops at the conference as well. So tell us more about the Jenkins workshops what what sorts of things does that mean. So the workshop, it's going to be about three minutes. No, sorry, 90 minutes training workshops and that's virtual. And this is going to be on how to contribute to the Jenkins project. I'm also working on the possibility of having another workshop that's on Jenkins pipeline so that's still in the works and yet to be confirmed. Great. Excellent. And these will be free. Super so dirage you recognize this one. Contributing to Jenkins. So dirage was one of the co presenters at our newcomer segment at the contributor summit at the last contributor summit we had in June. Yeah. Oh, and it did you was, did you weren't you also one of the other presenters so so three of the presenters at the last session are in this meeting. Yes. Great. Excellent. Thank you and then they were staying up very late in the middle of the night to help do that. Thank you very much. That's really nice. Anything else that you wanted to bring to us on DevOps. Oh, actually, let me put the note here right because I've got the action DevOps world announcement for the Jenkins that I oh site. And I wonder is this one. Dear Raj I wonder if you wanted to do you want to pair with me pair with me on creating this pull request. Are you interested in doing this is this is kind of a documentation effort. But it's a different thing because it changes the Jenkins that IO top level site and makes makes an entry adds an entry into this. Oh dear what do we call it, help me on this. Yes, the jumbotron this thing. We need to change this to highlight. Okay, we're done with she code Africa. We've finished CD con. And so we need to remove those two and we've completed the contributor award so are you interested in in pairing with that maybe we do that at our next Docs office hours. Absolutely. I'm really happy to be part of it. So Alyssa I am proud to say that I now have a schedule for when I'll do that. Okay, that's that's great just thanks very much so we need to Alyssa that means you and I need to be sure we get the images collected in time. The next office hours is late Monday evening. So it will be next Monday after your end of your working day. I will work on it today. Great. Also, how do we promote for DevOps conference like with the help of mailing lists, of course, and there has to be some posts on LinkedIn. That's all I can think of. Is there anything else that you use. Good good question so other so promotional things for DevOps world will do the jumbotron. Right, so we'll put it on the Jenkins jumbot on www Jenkins.io LinkedIn posts. I think we've done those before right Alyssa from the Jenkins LinkedIn post Twitter. And a couple of blog posts. Good. And the blog posts usually that highlight interesting topics in the agenda right in the conference agenda so hey this this speaker or that speaker. Yeah we highlight the Jenkins sessions or workshops and contributors summit what's involved what this agenda look like. Things like that. Right Oh a good point yes certainly we will want to blog post that announces the next contributor summit as that comes available as the as we get agreement and when etc very good. Thanks. Great. Okay. Anything else on DevOps world. I think I'm good. Okay. I am, I am really pleased with the results that we're seeing from community Jenkins.io. So, if we, let's just go look at it briefly so that you can see the kinds of things that are happening on that site now. What this is is discourse is a discussions forum, a way of doing and they've volunteer they've donated hosting of this for the Jenkins project. And so what we see here is new topics that are introduced and conversations that started that say hey, do we need this, do we need that. Lots of ideas and suggestions from people that come in or hey here's a question somebody highlighting a capability. Here's how I used groovy inside my, my visual studio code, those sorts of things and now it's got categories so we can look at, hey I'd like to see everything about contributing code. Oops, no topics there maybe I want to see about contributing to advocacy and outreach. Here's Alyssa asking for approval for the ebook number three. Great uses of this Jenkins discourse size community Jenkins.io. Mark, is that where people can go for support questions to continue to use the mailing list. They can, and we're we're experimenting with it now so so for instance it's the we envision that this could eventually completely replace the mailing lists. We're not we're not ready to announce oh yes it's done, but we certainly can do question and answer kind of things here. Okay. So, so did that. Did that help. I'm. Yes. Yeah, because of the reason I asked is I sometimes I get a question here and there on Jenkins is the way.io on support question so and I refer them to the mailing list. Yeah, and, and I think, I think it's a it is a very, very good candidate as a place to do conversations like that because of the facilities it has to make communication better between people. It's got it's got concepts that that just don't exist in the mailing list hey I can, I can give a thumbs up, I can, I can tag something I can remove tags, and, and those sorts of things allow the information stored here to be much richer and much more useful. Okay. And I continue to be amazed at the things we get out of the showing off category has been a lot of fun it's been unexpectedly useful to see. Oh yeah people just highlighting here's how I use Jenkins so if we look at showing off. I posted a link to our presentation he and I did at CD con, or you'll find all of the, all of the contributor summit videos are our LinkedIn are available as link here so if we look at here are the full sessions with all the videos and easy to get to posting this was really trivial for me. The search feature. Yes, yes, exactly. All right, any, any questions there in terms of how we're doing with discourse and what we're doing there. So, is this going to be a replacement or an alternative to get us channels. Yes, it actually is a potential alternative to get her channels. So, it's less for me at least the experience thus far has been less about chat, and more about longer longer lived conversations. So, so a question, how would I do this is really well suited to discourse, and those frequently happen in in get her chat right now. Other things like a quick conversation about a poll request or about a particular issue or I'm not sure that's a great fit for as good a fit for discourses to stay in get her. Google summer of code discussions related to the get credentials binding project that we're that I'm working that probably isn't a great fit for community Jenkins.io whereas whereas how do I use get more effectively probably is right. Did that answer your question to your. Yes, totally. All right, so. Next topic outreach program status. Actually, let's let's mix this up Alyssa would you be willing to go first and share with us on the Jenkins ebook. Sure. Um, so we have just completed ebook number three. So based on the, the Jenkins is the way stories that we've collected, we've gathered. Um, this, this, this file here is about stories from the fortune 500 companies like Apple IBM and such. You know how they're using Jenkins, what challenges they phase, and the values that they got out of it. I still need to do a final approval with the people who submitted these stories before we publish the stories I'm shooting for next week to get this story published, or this file or this ebook published. And, but please have a read and I think there's there's lots of good stories in here that people can be inspired from I mean there's, there's just, just big companies are using Jenkins and they're they're loving it. And we are also continuing to write and receive and write Jenkins is the Jenkins is the way user stories and case studies. So if there's, if you know anybody that is interested in submitting a story. So please go to Jenkins is the way.io and fill out a quick form probably 15 minutes survey and then we'll get your story written up and then we'll send you a free t shirt. Excellent. Thank you, Alyssa. I dirage your your new employer. I suspect we'll want you to do something with Jenkins and you may have a story to tell in five or six months we hope we hope for the best. I will make sure that happens. Excellent. Great. Thank you. So, next topic for me was Google or Google Summer of Code so there are five projects in five GSOC projects in Jenkins. One of those actually is represented by Aditya. Aditya for your work on on the conventional commits plugin project. That's great. So they'll be presenting next week. July 20. Thank you. The pleasure is all mine. Excellent. And I assume that your presentation is getting closer to ready and that you're, you're going to going to tell us a good story on on the 20th. About the good story part, I hope so. And presentation. Yeah, it will be ready by tonight. Tomorrow we'll do a review. I'll do a review with Garrett and probably we'll be finalize and send to Kara. Great. All right, so we'll need to promote the event. So the usual. Let's see. Meetup. LinkedIn post. What else a Twitter. Right. And I think we and I've got the action item to do a blog post so and I'll get that done here shortly. Any, any questions there or concerns around Google Summer of Code. So I remember in on YouTube you posted a video about all the previous GSOC interns who were sharing their experience about how it all went and what they learned and what is there for the new interns. So they shared their experiences right so I just want to say that it was a really really great idea and I as an aspirant was very happy to see and learn about previous interns experience with GSOC. So it definitely convinced me to be part of GSOC with Jenkins. Good, good insight so and those experience report videos actually came after the conclusion of all the projects right so so that's don't miss. Don't miss the outreach opportunity. After the projects complete. Because you've got a very good point, those experience report videos help people understand Oh hey it was like this or I, this is how I interacted and this is why it worked that way. Good. Okay, very good. So the topic then dirage on inviting students to contribute and and so maybe let's start dirage with give us share with us some of your background, what what your experience has been so far, etc. And, and that way then Alyssa and I and others may be able to ask you some questions and get some insights. So, I will definitely need your help by asking the question that really great. So, so being a student from college. I got to know about Jenkins with the help of only and only GSOC. I had no idea about GSOC. So, because if you talk about JavaScript Java, these are part of our curriculum so we get to know about them very easily. But Jenkins is something that we as a student think that it's going to be used by us years ahead, like when we are into our job and maybe that time we'll be using it so it's a state that that's the state of mind that we have. I don't speak for everyone. So, so that perspective and coming to the part where I have been associated with Jenkins and how I think about Jenkins right now. So, I would say that even though I don't have. I don't know about Jenkins very in so much detail, even then I can help contribute to Jenkins as I did using different different text stacks. And that was that was made possible because when I was in, because I got to know that there's so many so many other text stacks as well. So, that was a good thing that because I had this idea in mind that I need to know Jenkins really well how it works and code base in order to contribute to it. So, this is something that I want to clarify that you can contribute in lots of other spaces as well. And commenting about Jenkins code base specifically it is a little bit difficult to understand for people who are starting up even with Java so yeah, so if we can. So, I think we can work more on that maybe like to help newbies to understand the Jenkins Java code base specifically that would be really great. And yeah, please ask me questions then that way we can take this conversation for it. Okay, so so dirage as you, you came to Jenkins you said first through GSOC. So the Google summer of code promotion process got you into Google into Jenkins, it could have brought you to any one of several other projects, but you chose Jenkins where we just lucky that you chose Jenkins, or was it. The size thing, what was, because there are many projects in GSOC right so why, why Jenkins, as opposed to some other Google summer of code project. Is there something that that makes Jenkins interesting to you or that we should do better to make it more interesting to other GSOC students. That's a really great question so out of all the organization I chose Jenkins because I already knew someone who was part of Jenkins, sorry, GSOC internship with Jenkins so that was Sladen. So Sladen is my senior in college so I got to know about him and I approached him and he told me about this. So he suggested me some projects, and I, that's how I dived right into Jenkins. And so, so now I'm going to ask a different question this one to Alyssa. Alyssa, could you envision a refer a friend program. What, what, I mean, it's, it's sort of a sneaky approach right but, but what if we had a refer a friend program where we said, Okay, if you refer five, five developers will send you a sticker, or if you refer 25 developers and they, they, they join and submit this will send you a T I'm not sure but a refer a friend program might, might capitalize on on the on what on what Dira's just described. Absolutely, I love that idea, and we can definitely do more than stickers. Because I think this is an important space where we, you know, as we try to get more people involved in Jenkins. And I also would love to get like, you know, the perspective of each student like after, after the, the, the program right so you've gone through this process. What did you like about it. What did you learn. And my the goal there, my thinking is that that would help inspire other students, you know that we have this content documented on Jenkins.io that it could help inspire somebody down the road in case that somebody doesn't know you right so if they read your article your posts and that might inspire them. But yes, I do like that. I like the idea before a friend. Okay, now, now, Dira. Go ahead, Dira, sorry. I'm sorry I was just saying that this is a really, really great idea for a friend. So, so now you mentioned that you didn't, I think you said you didn't generally have experience with Jenkins during courses in your coursework at, at college at the university. Do you, do you get experience with other applications like do they put you into GitHub or do they have you spend time in bit bucket or giddy or, or other applications like that or not so much. Not as a part of curriculum, like if you talk about GitHub, so we are not taught about GitHub as a part of a curriculum but if we join some societies in our college, any kind of clubs that we joined them, or, or if we hackathon. So, on makes it mandatory for us to submit it via GitHub so that's another way how we. Okay, all right so you, you just said something crucial so clubs said, and hackathons. Yes. Okay, so, so just so the curriculum it's and that matches I think with what I've understood elsewhere many times the instructors are trying to teach first principles teach fundamental things like algorithms, or, hey, here's here's this concept of functional this concept of, of block structured programming, whereas you noted, you join a club, and that club may may have a theme and that theme may motivate you to use a particular application. Now, can you give some examples of clubs in yours at your school that might might be examples there I wonder if we should reach out to clubs or to to hackathons. Something we can do. So, to tell you about the clubs, I was part of IEEE club. So, I assume that you must be knowing this. Yes. So, other than that we have CSI club as well computer society of India, and few more clubs like this. So the aim here is that the clubs work in a way to engage other college students and to conduct together some fun events as well as some hackathons as well as some workshops. So if I give example workshop we had a cloud computing workshop we had a workshop on blockchain we had a workshop on Android development like a simple app. So, the need for these workshops is that in our curriculum it is not covered. So we need to go to somewhere else to get to know about these and specifically we go to these clubs and we join these groups of these are run by our seniors. So those are those kind of seniors who have went ahead with curriculum and tried out new things. So they want to share it with the people, the beginners or the juniors. They trust them to teach us something new. So that's how I got to know about Android and GitHub as well and I even won a hackathon at our campus. So that's how I involved in hackathons as well. And guess about Jenkins, how Jenkins can come into this picture. So our hackathon was sponsored by GitHub. So that's how Jenkins can also involve themselves here by sponsoring hackathons at college levels. That would be great. Good. Okay, so These are great insights. Right. So, and, and now, when, when you say GitHub sponsored the hackathon. Did they have local employees who are assisting with it. Did it was it just that they funded it. Tell me what sponsorship meant for a hackathon. Right. That's a great question. So, if we talk about a hackathon which is sponsored by GitHub, it means that they are going to be giving away their specific goodies first of all to the winners. It is being run by the connection between GitHub and the hackathon is by a campus expert. So GitHub has a concept of campus experts. So they have some set of students in a college who represents GitHub in their college. They do that with the help of conducting some, you know, same thing, events and hackathons and workshops to tell people about, Hey, this is how important GitHub is and how it works and how it's going to be useful for you. So they're like the voice of GitHub in our college. So this is run by conducting some interviews and everything. So same thing is for Microsoft and other companies as well. So that's the, that's the thing that's the thing I want to do. And now are these campus experts, are they students or are they actual GitHub employees. So they are students for sure students. Okay, all right. So, so, and any idea how, how GitHub found those campus experts to persuade them to be a campus expert. Well, they have a website dedicated to it. And I think even Aditya is DSC lead from our college since we are in the same college. So DSC, am I audible. Yes, yes, you said DSC lead. Yes. So I hope my voice is not breaking a little bit. A little bit. I'm so sorry. Yes, sure. So I was telling about the DSC lead, it means so developers student club. So what this club is about is there are some set of students. So I think that the DSC lead from our college. So what he does is he represents the technology of Google at our college by partnering with our already existing clubs, and, you know, taking workshops and using the technologies in the events to tell people about it. So, so that's about Do they actually teach you how to use the tool in the sponsorship. So, so let me know if I, if I got a question right so if you talk about GitHub experts so, so you're asking me whether they teach us how GitHub works by connect some demo and seminar just like that right. Okay, so yes, they do that. They do that. They tell us about how get push works get full works and they do some sample projects and that's how we get to know about GitHub. Okay. Okay, so it's that that the campus experts commonly get some instructions from the, the company, and then the those campus experts then show by demonstration and by example, how to others to other students so. They may show, they may schedule a meeting of the DSC and say, hey, we're going to do a DSC meeting and we're going to talk about GitHub pull requests and I'll show you how they work is have I understood correctly. Exactly. So, if I'm not wrong, they have a schedule of events for plan for the DSC needs that they need to do at college. So, they have to follow the schedule and conduct event and the people from DSC the higher authorities they are repeatedly check out their progress all throughout to know which college and is doing both how many events that they've conducted and how the participation is there and so on so forth. Excellent. Okay, thank you. All right, so, Alyssa any other questions that go ahead dirage. Yes, so I was just. So, since you asked me about the campus expert and DSC so I was just wondering if we have Jenkins campus expert then they can help the students by coming in any let's say a hackathon and they'll be using Jenkins as a form of CD tool. And we'll be helping students to know about how it makes it easier to use Jenkins. That could be helpful. Right. So, so that yeah that I think, I mean, we've certainly got Jenkins has all sorts of well, there are many courses and slide decks to introduce Jenkins right. And, and certainly we could share those with a campus experts and and that would be great. So, Google Summer of Code in Jenkins is certainly another thing that could happen next year actively promoting it on campuses saying hey look as part of the Google Summer of Code excitement here do this. Good. All right. Exactly. And I was posted a link on the zoom chat so it's about get up campus experts so you can know that they have a dedicated website. Ah, very good okay. Thank you. Very good. Yeah, thanks very much. Excellent idea. Okay. Thanks. So, that's about that. All right. So, I can certainly help with any of this, you know getting Jenkins into the schools and you know just, we can, we can tag team this and, and, and help, you know, get work and connect you to the appropriate people to get Jenkins into the school if, if that's what, you know, you would like to pursue, but I definitely would like for Jenkins to get into a school for sure. Exactly. That would be really, really great. I would love to be part of this. Great. Okay, very good. Well, D. Raj, thanks very much for your being the voice of the student contributors that's really wonderful. Yes. Thank you so much. So anything else on inviting students to contribute. I think on my side. Okay, next topic was DevOps radio opportunity. Alyssa. Yeah, so DevOps radio opportunity so cloud bees has a couple of DevOps radio opportunity that they are willing to give us some slots, where we can talk about Jenkins so that to help promote Jenkins. These are podcasts and it's going to be via, you know, Q&A sessions. So it's just an opportunity for us to give some awareness to Jenkins and to hype about Jenkins. Great. And do you have any, are there any things that you'd say, ooh, I would suggest this topic or that topic or things that you'd see our themes in the DevOps radio podcast that should, should we be addressing what's hot right now in Jenkins should we be addressing. Hey, what's, what's interesting what's the latest thing that's happening or what sorts of things would you envision. So I envision that so based on our previous DevOps world conferences, it seems like these sessions that performed really well are the ones that are informing people what's the latest and greatest about Jenkins. So many Jenkins users and you know and they're still continuing to use Jenkins. So they want to know what is the latest and greatest tips and tricks are always great, but I'm not sure if the podcast would be you know a good place for that. So I think just an overall talking about Jenkins, what's involved how to contribute even and you know just just just check out Jenkins in general, I think it would, it would be good. Yeah, we, we would need to decide as a team on you know what is the topic we want to talk about. Come up with some Q&A. Can Q&A's and then we can go forward from there. And how long is a typical DevOps radio broadcast. I believe it's an hour. I'm not sure I have to check. Great. Okay, so that for me would be an important one because there are lots of lots of different stories and since it's a podcast it's entirely audio so no slides to show no no video recording right it's just audio. Yeah. Okay, good. All right. Good. Okay, thank you. And this this I assume could be anybody from the community it doesn't have to be an official voice of this or that it's just people, people who are interested in and have something to say we could we could use their their story here. Yeah, definitely. Excellent. Okay. All right. So we'll mark and Alyssa continue that recruiting and topics. Okay, good. Next was Jenkins press contact and this one came up in the Jenkins governance board meeting yesterday. So Alyssa had sent a question to the Jenkins governance board looking for someone to represent Jenkins in the in meetings with people from the press and meetings with people who are industry analysts or things like that. And we use the phrase. Jenkins spokesperson and got a correction that oh hey there isn't really a person called the Jenkins spokesperson, but we do have Jenkins press contacts in the US and in China and in in the Russian Federation. So we've got official Jenkins press contacts. Right now, those two are listed as Tyler Croy and Kosaka cow Gucci. And some of them are actually actively involved at the moment in the Jenkins project. So what we need. What we need is we need someone who can be the official press contact. And I think what we'll do is bring it to the to the next Jenkins governance board meeting. Yeah. Yesterday in the Jenkins governance board and Gavin Morgan was willing to take the role, but we use the wrong term to define it. And so I think we need a little bit more discussion before, before we're ready to say oh Gavin's a viable one. We may also want to hear voice from, from Oleg Nanash of or others on. Okay, who else should be considered as possible press contacts when there's a need to answer questions from the press. Okay. So does that are there are there immediate needs that we have over the within the next two weeks where we need someone to talk to someone or can it wait till the next governance meeting Alyssa. Oh, it can wait Mark. Oh good. Okay, great. Then I'll get it on the on the next board meeting and we'll discuss it further. Thank you. All right, any other topics for today. Great meeting. Good stuff. Thank you very much. Dear Raj. Thanks and have a great night. Hi. So, I want to share one more thing like you were asking me about what are the criteria for DSC lead. So if we are not, if you have some time I can, or we can continue later. Oh, that would be great. So tell tell us more about the DSC lead role. Not take much of the time. So if you talk about DSC lead, the criteria set by Google is that you need to have one year left for graduation and strong technical understanding of computer programming and software engineering. And yes, host and even ideally once a month, and at least every three months, three months. So, and if we talk about the process of application. So, it's like similar to get a campus experts or what they do is they ask them to complete a registration form, then submit a video resume, and then take some interviews as well. And yeah, then they finalize the candidate to be the campus experts for a particular college or university. That's how they do. So, if you're planning to do that so we need to have a particular curriculum defined and you need to, you know, get in contact with some specific students at some colleges and then find out the best one among them and like take a review from from them once a month and just make sure that they're doing what they're supposed to do. So, yes. That's, that's a that sounds like a really amazing program so the DSC program this is sponsored by Google. Is that right. Absolutely. Yes, Google. Okay. And I've also posted the link on chat. Oh, good. Thank you. Okay. So all. Excellent. Okay. Okay, and then this is an international program. Exactly. So we have a campus experts from USA University colleges as well. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's, that's amazing. All right, great. Good stuff. Um, Mark, so I don't think I have to rush email address. Can I get that from you or can I. Sure. I'll send it to you. You bet. Okay, great. So Josh, I'll reach out to you. We can talk a little bit more about this because I would love to get Jenkins on here. Absolutely. I would really love that. I would love to help you. Thank you. All right, thanks everybody. Thank you Mark for hosting. Anything else to your eyes. No, nothing. Thank you. All right, thanks everybody. I'll get the video posted once the recording is finished. Bye.