 We are live from CES, so as soon as everybody says their ready check is ready, we're gonna get started here a little early. Tell your friends. Hold on, hold on, give me two seconds. Yeah, Sarah's doing it right now. I tweeted, I've twattered. Day two live, CES, join us or suffer in disgrace. I don't know. It rhymes with water. Yep, can't take it back. What has been heard cannot be unheard. Now Ron will judge you, but he was judging all of us already. He does that. From all things, we could fit at least two or three more people at this table, I appreciate your faith. A lot of touching ankles, not really. I'm keeping things between us, I'm touching my ankle. What's the thing, air? Air, not air. Molecules, many, many molecules. It's full of nitrogen and oxygen, it's like 70% nitrogen, practically non-conductive unless you get the voltage up high enough, and then you're dead anyways, so quit bitching. Man, all those people listening to Good Day Internet, now going to write into tech thing. All right, as soon as we are tweeted. Tom, the only thing is I don't see where you, okay, here we go. Hold on. Oh, I didn't delete. Here, tweet. Yeah, it's all good, all good. Did you delete it? Huh? Okay, it's all good, I'll just, then we're fine. Everything's fine here, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along. Actually, don't move along, stay, stay, because we're going to do a show pretty much right now. All right, Roger, how do you feel? Well, it was the other thing yesterday, it was quite cold in here, because all the doors were open. Yeah, it's probably literally true. All right, I'm going to adjust our opening, and then Sarah. Yes, Tom. Would you be willing to read the opening line on line three? Okay. Would you do it anyway? No, I am willing, and I was born ready. Okay, Patrick. Uh, Rob Krekel, that's how you say Rob's name. Got it? Here we go. Krekel? Krekel. Krekel. And three, two, one. Rob Krekel has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Rob, will ya? Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 8th, 2019 in Las Vegas Convention Center at CES 2019. I'm Tom Erich. And I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm bringing up the show's producer, Roger. Very happy to have some guests with us today from tech thing Patrick Norton. Hey, everybody. And also joining us, and I don't want to get the name of your business wrong, so I'll let you say it. Paul Spade. From the New Zealand Tech Podcast. Thank you. You think that with a show that is almost as descriptive as Daily Tech News Show, I wouldn't forget that, but I was just scared that I was going to say it wrong. Well, I did wear a few hats. That's true. That's true. Thank you both for joining us and taking time out of your valuable CES day where minutes are very scarce to join us. Folks, if you're listening and you hear a lot of noise in the background, that's because CES has actually begun. Yesterday it was forklift noise. Today it's the noise of booths playing music and demonstrating speakers and all that sort of stuff. But we are braving the waters here to bring you the important things to know about CES. IBM was awarded the most patents last year. Though patents granted decline 3.5%. Panasonic announced the world's most cinematic OLED TV in their words, and Sony showed off a karaoke speaker with cup holders. Here are a few other tech things you should know. At the end of trading on Monday, Amazon passed Microsoft to become the most valuable company in the world. Congratulations, Jeff. Microsoft, which took over the title on November 28th, was up 0.1%, but Amazon rose 3.4% to take the lead. You can expect companies to continue to trade places at the top all your life. Verizon issued a press release criticizing AT&T's practice of labeling advanced LTE functions as 5GE on customers' phone. Verizon said, we won't take an old phone and just change the software to turn the 4 into a 5. T-Mobile also criticized AT&T for duping customers. Now, Verizon has its own non-standard 5G service, so has taken some criticism themselves. And T-Mobile labels its 3G HSPA plus service as 4G to this very day. However, Verizon's feeling pretty good about itself because it beat estimates for monthly subscribers adding in that 650,000 in Q4, ahead of expectations of 355,600. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced via blog post his New Year's resolution is to host a bunch of public discussions about the future of technology in society. I'm sorry. That was the outside voice. I think he was serious. Previous resolutions from Zuck included learning Mandarin, killing any meat that he eats. Oh, and fixing Facebook. A 20-year-old man in Hess, Germany has confessed to publishing the private information of around 1,000 politicians, journalists, and celebrities on Twitter. He says he acted alone, teaching himself skills online. The information seems to have been acquired over the course of 2018 by exploiting vulnerabilities to gain access to accounts. We don't know any details whether it was phishing or exploitations or what, but it was combined with some public information to create the links. IBM unveiled the IBM Q-System 1, a 20-qubit quantum computer with improved stability, meaning that resets used to take days now take hours. IBM didn't announce sales of the device, what will be available for use during in the cloud. Companies and research institutes interested in exploring experimental programming on IBM's quantum computers can join the IBM Q-network research community being launched in partnership with Fermilab, ExxonMobil, and CERN. All right, let's talk a little bit about Intel's announcements yesterday. I'm going to work through these and then we'll get Patrick and Paul's takes on it. Intel demonstrated its first 10 nanometer chips for PCs based on the Sony Cove architecture with Thunderbolt 3, Wi-Fi 6, and Deep Learning Boost, or DL Boost. Intel says PC makers will have devices with Ice Lake processors on the shelves by the end of 2019. It's been a couple years since they said 10 nanometer was coming. They promise it's really coming this year. Intel also discussed its plans to use Foverose 3D chip stacking to stack chiplets on top of one another for extra processing power and graphics. We talked about that previously on the show. Intel also announced six new 9th gen chips covering the Core i3 to Core i9 categories, shipping later this month, and also said it would bring its 9th gen processor to laptops in the H series coming sometime in Q2. Intel announced a partnership with Comcast for 10 gigabit per second service. That's 10 gigabit per second service and Wi-Fi 6 connectivity as an alternative to 5G using Intel's Puma system on a chip. That's the one that's been hacked in the past. Comcast expects its first 10 gig service to arrive in 2020, but that doesn't mean Intel isn't into 5G. Oh, no. Project Athena is Intel's push to get companies to make ultrabooks with 5G and AI built in using Intel's specs, though Intel isn't sharing those specs publicly. A roadmap is being shared with manufacturers. Acer, Asus, Dell, Google, HP, Inelux, Lenovo, Microsoft, Samsung, and Sharp are all working on Project Athena, and it includes Chrome OS and Windows. And finally, Intel is working with Facebook on an AI chip during the second half of the year to go up against AI chips from NVIDIA and Amazon Web Services. The chip's designed to help with inference, which puts AI algorithms to use. And Intel has done inference chips a lot. In fact, they're the predominant market share in inference chips right now, so it's just making a new one with Facebook. All right. Lots of chip news there. Patrick, anything that sticks out to you or impressed you? The thing that stuck out was like a Core i5 with six cores, which means there's going to be a medium price system from Intel with hopefully some excellent performance, which made me think, they mentioned processors. I see yes at the beginning. It's like they care about people who buy computers again, which actually I'm mocking, but I'm actually dead serious because the day before AMD announces all these particularly impressive mobile rising parts, running at seven nanometer, Intel kind of lost its way on process. They're struggling both in terms of sort of like repairing their relations. And they make money hand over fist without having the advanced process. They're not hurting yet. But I am really curious to see if they can pull this off. I'm really curious to see where the parts end up. I'm really curious to see if they have as big a chunk of 5G base stations as they say. They're talking about 40% share by 2020. So there's a lot of kind of classic forward looking enthusiastic Intel stuff. And I was just so excited. They actually talked about processors like they were an important part of the business instead of being like, we're going to change the world with automated drone guidance software. And this is our launch partner. And this is the only company that worked with it. You know what I mean? Yeah, like Project Athena is a little bit of that tradition. I think of Project Athena being, I mean it's funny because I was in, I was like in the thing and you know that was more information than I got out of their presentation. Like a lot of one person, one of the people I said like they were like, I was looking backstage or looking on the stage and looked like they had sort of a dual screen device that's using non-verbal input. And I'm like, okay, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah. You know, but it's, they, they, they they talked this much about Project Athena and then they moved on. Yeah. Like it's going to change the way you compute. And I'm like, oh, I remember when this was going to change the way we compute Intel. Well, there you go. Did anything from Intel stick out to you, Paul? The Wi-Fi 6. I think, you know, to me that's really important that Intel gets behind that. Otherwise, you know, we're all waiting even though we've got people bringing out various bits and pieces until Intel are really in boots and all. Yeah. Then we're not going to see that the Wi-Fi 6, which is what it used to be 802.11AXI thing. Yeah. Wi-Fi 6 is probably a better name. It's a little easier to say, for sure. Also, by the way, Nick wrote in and said that he wished we had talked more about NVIDIA announcing support for AMD FreeSync Visa Adaptive Sync Monitors. Have you heard a lot of people talking about that? That is the first I've heard anyone talking about it. Yeah. That's what Nick was mad about. He's like, nobody's talking about it. Why is anyone talking? You know, it was, I'm sorry. I was going to say, I mean, it basically FreeSync is open source and basically does what G-Sync does. Don't hate mail me. I know it's not quite the same thing. But if they're supporting FreeSync monitors, it means there's less expensive monitors that will do some pretty impressive, you know, frame rates. I like it. Yeah. Dave wrote in about the LG rollable OLED TV saying, the perfect thing to have it unroll in front of is a window. Darkening the room, eliminate the glare. And when you roll it down, yeah, have your view. Patrick, I know you have some thoughts about the OLED TV, too. Everybody's trying to figure out what they'll do with it, I think. You know, I literally, all I care about is I saw that. And it's like, I feel like it's the first time in forever. I've seen that kind of a demo at CES and just been like, yes, I feel like I'm 16 and just saw my first CD player. That's so cool. And I just want to see it like I've been working way towards the LG booth all morning because I want to see a demo or see it. And I don't want it to suck. And right now I'm on this high of being like, that's really neat deck. And I have enthusiasm. My cynic hasn't beaten my inner enthusiastic child to death yet. I'm trying to hold on to that. Do you think it wins best of CES? It feels like the thing everybody's talking about at this point. The thing that struck me is like Samsung's like, we have a 98 inch QLED panel that nearly presents the quality of OLED. You're stealing it. And LG's like, look, and everybody's like, yeah. So we talked a little bit about especially people who move around a lot or live in smaller houses with perhaps smaller living rooms. Oh, you know, it gives you a little bit more room to play around with with a space that could be your media center, but also other things. But Dave's note about the window I hadn't even really thought about. And that's so true. How many times have you walked into a room and been like, well, where would the TV go? You can't put it in front of the window. That's weird. You're like this. You have a lot more office. You could. And it's just there's so many rooms you walk into and the big black screen that's not displaying anything dominates the room. Right. Yeah. They're horrendous designer. It's a really neat idea as long as it works and doesn't disintegrate, you know, after 100 rollings and unrollings. You have that look like, yes, I want to see the lifespan. And I want to know when it's going to be affordable so that we can all have one, right? Because when we see these things, yes, they start really expensive. But most of the cool stuff eventually gets to a price point where we can afford it. But how long will it take? Well, on the subject of Samsung, Samsung also announced a few laptops such as the 13 inch notebook 9 Pro has thin bezels, shallow keys and an aluminum case, quad core, eighth gen Intel Core i7, 8565 processor, 256 gigs of PCIe NVMe SSD storage, 27 Thunderbolt 2 rather not 27. Thunderbolt 3 USB-C ports, a regular USB-C port as well, headphone jack, micro SD card slots to round it out. Pretty cool machine. A Windows Hello fingerprint reader is built into the power button. 1080p touchscreen, 2-in-1 so you can use it as a tablet as well. Samsung says it should arrive in early 2019 that we didn't get a price yet. The company also announced the $350 notebook flash with Celeron and Pentium processors, 4 gigs of RAM, round keys and full Windows home, aimed at students and arrives on January 15. Oh, Chromebooks. 350. It's a nice price. You seem to be oohing an eye at the notebook 9 Pro, huh? Anybody? No? Somebody wants. I like the Windows Hello fingerprint readers. Yeah. They're just nice. It's nice like a notebook actually. Yeah, Samsung, I think that's the story here. It's not the spec so much. It's that Samsung making some competitive notebooks and aesthetically appealing ones. Yeah, yeah. Bell Nexus gave CES folks an update on its vertical takeoff and landing or VTOL air taxi. The company showed off a scale model of its hybrid electric propulsion aircraft that uses six tilting ducted fans to seat five people. It will be supposedly available for hailing in some cities through Uber's service by the mid-2020s. Though it'll have to be all electric by that point because Uber requires all electric, not the hybrid. So they're up to something there. Uber and Bell Nexus are among 19 companies developing flying car plans. You got to see this a little bit, Paul. I went to the press event and spoke to a few of the chaps there. This is pretty interesting, but I am curious why they're going for this hybrid electric approach and I guess that's because they're traditionally come from the helicopter background. So getting into electric, maybe that's going to take them a little bit longer to be fully electric. I think they're also hedging their bets in case the taxi services don't pay off. They can sell it to somebody who wants to use it for longer range, maybe. Exactly. There's still some challenges, I think, around the idea of the electric air taxi and charging and swapping out batteries and whether there will actually be a really big market for this stuff, whether it will fly. Will it fly? I don't know. They've gone from just showing the cabin to showing a scale model. Maybe next year we see an actual prototype full zone. Maybe a scale model that flies. A scale model that flies. That's probably more likely. I'm just saying the power weight, mass, battery ratio thing I feel is not quite there yet for this. It looks like it would be really heavy. Looks like it would be a struggle to get it off the ground. But it looks good. Motive is adding security features to its heart rate sensing smart ring to let it make payments. You can do it all. The company also says it can read your heart's EKG accurately enough to verify your identity. A software update will bring the capability to motive rings in the second half of this year. The company has also registered already as a phyto device for two-factor authentication using gestures. Yeah, man. This is a pivot. And it's not even a full pivot. It's saying, you know, we made this ring for 2FA, but you know what? We could do health. And you know what else? We could use your heart rate to verify you for payments. Like it's pretty nifty. Yes. Will it work? So we've got fingerprints. We've got retinas. Now we have heart flutters. Just tap. Tap with your ring. Tap with your ring to pay. Everyone is a special snowflake. You could fist bump to pay. You are a special snowflake. I like it. I'll own one. Yeah. I've always been curious about this as a two-factor thing, but the gestures thing felt a little odd to me. Fist bump to pay, though. I'm in. IBM's The Weather Company, which I always want to tell people. The Weather Company runs The Weather Channel app. The Weather Channel television network licenses the name and everything to do The Weather Channel, but it's owned by a separate company. So even if it's a special snowflake, you could fist bump to pay. You are special snowflake. It's owned by a separate company. So even though they're both called The Weather Channel and they have the same logo, two different companies. IBM owns The Weather Company, which makes The Weather Channel app, and that combination announced the Global High-Resolution Atmospheric Forecasting System, or GRAPH, to combine data from weather stations, aircraft sensors, and app users' smartphone pressure sensors, the barometric pressure sensors in your phone in order to create more accurate forecasts. IBM says GRAPH will offer three-kilometer resolution in some places, but it's not the same logo. It's not the same logo. Three-kilometer resolution in some places, once this is up and running, and update forecasts hourly. Users of the app will have to opt in. This is important, especially because The Weather Channel is being sued by the city of Los Angeles for privacy violations. You have to opt in to contribute your barometric pressure readings to the system. GRAPH will roll out globally later this year. This looks cool. I like it. I do wonder about the opting in, whether they're going to get enough people to opt in. I think maybe they have to tempt you with some, I don't know, premium subscription or something. I don't know, the weather nerds like me will probably just want to do this. You just tend it on. Yeah, tip one. Dark sky is on the front of my phone, so anything that helps make that more accurate, I'm down with. Barometric pressure from everyone. All right, let's talk about financial disaster, shall we? Sure. Because it's not just Apple. Yeah, other tech companies are also facing some headwinds like LG, which announced its Q4 profit likely fell 80%. Year over year and revenue likely fell 7%. Thinning profit margins and declining smartphone businesses are among the likely causes. Now, Samsung also announced an estimated 29% drop in quarterly profit for the last quarter of 2018, issued commentary along with guidance for the first time since mobile phone sales dropped in 2014. Samsung blamed unexpected weak demand from data center customers for chips. Data centers, mostly in the US, make almost 30% of demand for Samsung's DRAM chips prices for DRAM chips fell 10% in Q4. The company also blamed a quote stagnant and fiercely competitive smartphone markets. And then contributing to all of this is the worldwide decline in smartphone shipments, particularly a slowing market in China. China's Academy of Information and Communications Technology says that smartphone shipments in the country were down 15.5%. Canalist estimates that shipments fell 12% in China and expects them to drop below 400 million in 2019 for the first time. Since a few years ago. Yeah. So, I mean, this is a knock-on effect, too. When Samsung says that their DRAM chips prices fell, part of that has to do with data centers, not related to phones, but also they're not making as much money selling chips to phone makers. Right. So, that is contributing to it. This decline in the Chinese market is going to have a knock-on effect to a lot of companies, especially the companies that aren't growing. I mean, it's certainly going to hurt Huawei because Huawei sells the majority of its phones in China, but it has such a big market share there it can weather storm a little more. Samsung and Apple were already declining because of competition and then you add a slowing market on top of it. That really hurts them. The other thing is in China, I think we'll see people gravitating towards the Chinese brands now, right? Maybe a little bit, yeah. They're making good devices now. They're competitive. So, you know, if you've got a choice between a local international brand phone and the local one seems just as good or better, what are you going to choose? Even though they're all technically local, it's almost all of them are made in the Chinese factory. But yeah, I mean, the perception is the brand is, it's a domestic company. All right, let's talk a little bit about some stuff that we saw at CES, a production model of Roy Oles foldable tablet is on display here. The FlexPie, it's P-A-I, not P-I-E, folds from a 7.8 inch AMOLED tablet into a thick smartphone form, runs on a Snapdragon 855 chipset with either six or eight gigabytes of RAM, 128 or 256 gigabytes of storage and Android 9.0 Pi. The Royal was debuted in Beijing in October and has been on sale for around $1,300 there since. This is its first Western Hemisphere debut. You got it. Sarah and I got to see it. You got to see it too, Paul. Yeah. Lot of Ouyen and I got to see it too, Paul. Lot of Ouyen but it was also sort of odd. It's an unusual form factor, isn't it? It does fold. It does fold but I mean, when are you ever going to fold it inwards where the display itself has folded around to the back of the device? And it does a little bit of modifying the interface when you fold it but not enough to really look like a phone to me. That was the other thing. Yeah. I wonder whether maybe this is the sort of device for people who are really short-sighted. They need everything everything really large I'm not sure there's a mainstream application for it yes I was able to fold it in half squeeze it into my big you know pockets but I can't imagine it being sort of an everyday phone and you're gonna have some challenges around battery life with a screen that's that big yeah you know it's got this about a 4200 milliamp hour battery which is fine for a normal phone but I don't think you're gonna get all up to several hours of life while using as a tablet yeah I mean I don't know but it's also there's I mean it's CES and admittedly this came up before CES but there's always so many products you look at and say like someone had an idea and they made it happen yeah yeah well and Royal could become perfectly successful selling this display to other other manufacturers too it may not be the end product maker but they needed to display it to get those other manufacturers to see like oh yeah that's a real working thing and they had a lot of other things on their stand that were all you know bent curvy flexi display things so I guess this is their space they're they're certainly getting some publicity off the back of it well there's a lot to see at CES we're gonna talk about a few more things but Patrick Norton's got to go see some of those things now so Patrick thank you so much for joining us thank you so much for having me I'm going to learn about Wi-Fi 6 which I was curious to see if it would actually be Wi-Fi 6 or 802.11x but see people are hedging their bets by using both in every press release 802.11x Wi-Fi 6 yeah tech thing folks go check out tech thing please do tkkthing.com or youtube.com or Robert here and I host ABXL which is a home theater and audio podcast and you guys are awesome thank you so much for your awesome too you special snowflake Patrick all right what else did we see Sarah I know there was some cool stuff you saw yesterday at the digital experience yeah yeah which is which is actually it was a good show there last night but a couple things stuck out to me of course I have pets so any pet technology is is is in my wheelhouse PetCube was one of a few companies that had that had some cool pet stuff on display PetCube debuted the bites to and play to pet dispenser speaker combos two different models both powered with Amazon's voice assistant now didn't used to be that way so I could remotely say hey A tell PetCube to feed Otis also has support for other Amazon skills like playing music and controlling lights etc both of the devices have an expanded 180 angle 180 degree angle lens used to be 130 I believe to view a room has four mics offers real-time smart alerts for things like if Otis is going nuts barking and I might want to you know ask my neighbor if everything's okay the bites to cost $249 the play to is running $199 in the security camera arena Motorola also showed off Halo which is a baby monitor that attaches to a cotter crib for an overhead 1080p view of your baby with IR night vision up to 10 meters to a audio that senses motion or maybe if your baby's crying or your cat I don't know whatever anything that can fit no crib the halo can also project moving images onto the ceiling play lullabies and other recordings such as maybe you singing a lullaby you know you're already on the other side of the house and you think you know all they really want is to hear my voice I don't have to get up and do that I don't have a baby but that seems pretty convenient to me this goes for $249 or $299 that includes a baby monitor screen as well Roger I know you talk intensively to those folks and you have two well you have a an actual baby and a young daughter as well Welcome Roger also talked to the folks from OLED com about Lifi max which mounts on your ceiling and uses invisible light from an LED to deliver up to 100 megabits per second connectivity over 28 square meters or up to 28 square meters it's an upgrade from its lamp we talked about it last year the lamp would deliver 23 megabits per second but only where the lamp shine this one being on ceiling can reach a lot more places in your room and it's pricey cost $900 for the transmitter and one dongle if you want to attach dongles to other devices you're gonna have to order more of those separately available for pre-order now shipping in September Roger any other thoughts on that That So in other words people in glass houses shouldn't use this Before we have a bunch of other stuff we're gonna summarize just to keep you up to date on on some of the cooler things we've been seeing but before we get to that anything else any thoughts on any of this stuff we've been talking about Paul no there was one one thing I saw and I'm trying to remember the the brand name of it it was over over in South Hall that was basically appeared to create an image in in plain space in the air oh yeah and hollow vision maybe yeah it might be it basically it's a propeller that has LEDs on it but you don't see the propeller moving you see the lights yeah I don't think it's brand new but look really cool it's about two thousand US dollars yeah had an array of 77 of them lined up for a really big flighting flighting image which was was slight all right let's get to some other CES stuff you should know Ubico announced a new version of its second factor authentication key that supports apples a lightning connector and USB-C apps already support USB but a new code will be needed for apps to support lightning Ubico is also adding an NFC enabled version of its USB key as well previously those were only available as separate devices now they're integrated the new key should come out after a private preview sometime this year Dell's new XPS 13 laptop has moved the camera it used to be down at the bottom so whenever someone was on an XPS 13 you softer nose when you're on a video conference now it's up at the top for most other laptops put it it's also Dell's smallest camera yet at 2.2 millimeters meaning that the bezel stays thin and video announced a drive autopilot platform to bring a level 2 plus autonomous driving to systems from German automotive suppliers continental AG and CF Fridrich Chauvin starting next year my Swiss cousins are rolling their eyes right now CF is also offering the option to use a chip from Zillinix instead of Nvidia the level 2 vehicles would do things like highway merge lane change lane splits personal mapping and so on drive autopilot is part of the Nvidia drive platform Lenovo announced the Yoga A940 27 inch all-in-one PC with a hinge that adjusts similar to the Microsoft Surface Studio it also has a stylus and a dial you can get it in QHD or 4k resolution both of which support Dolby Vision HDR and tilt to a 25-degree drafting mode has an 8th gen Intel Core i7 processor Radeon RX 560 discrete GPU up to 32 gigabytes of RAM and either a 512 gigabyte PCIe SSD or 2 terabyte hard drive coming in March starting at $2,350 bucks so it's about a thousand dollars cheaper than the Surface Studio. Lenovo also introduced an alarm clock with Google Assistant inside that can charge devices over USB and play music and that's 80 bucks coming up in the spring. Here's a roundup of Google announcements at CES which there were many first foremost for me Google promises really real really this time Google Assistant is coming to Sonos speakers with the Sonos one and Sonos Beam first in line says it'll roll out to all Sonos speakers eventually which is great news for anybody who's already got that system in their house it's also coming to the Instant Pot yes you heard it right dishes hopper set up boxes as well in our car devices from JBL and Anker Google Assistant got some new features too it's really cool including it the ability to check you into flights via your voice book hotels translate 27 different languages among more finally Google Connect is a new lightweight platform that developers can use to connect devices to Google Home without having to build internet connectivity into the device itself for instance an e-ink screen that could show you your calendar or the weather just by talking to the Google huh coming to maps as well which pretty cool HTC showed up the Vibe Cosmos that has cameras that don't require external tracking equipment can be powered by PC laptop or the thing that made a newsworthy possibly buy a phone at some point in the future no price on this but it's expected to launch later this year because a flip-up screen that was the other cool thing about it so you can see the world without having to actually take the headset all the way off HTC also showed a new version of the Vive Pro with eye tracking called the Vive Pro eye that was coming in April and HTC announced Vive port infinity and upgraded the subscription service that'll give you access to 500 titles previously the subscription only gave you five games a month so a lot more games the new service launches April 5th but we don't know how much it'll cost yet and finally HTC is working with Mozilla on a browser optimized for VR so it's got new TVs to the company announced in a K LCP TV in a 4K OLED TV is part of its master series the Z at 9G 8K comes in 85 and 98 inch models 98 inches and the A9G runs 55 65 and 77 inch models Sony says 8K TVs have an algorithm to provide quote exceptional detail and contrast for a more realistic picture that represents the creators and text it also claims to have a proprietary algorithm for upscaling 4k content to 8k both models offered Netflix calibrated mode I max enhanced and Dolby at vision at most that run Android TV and also both these models and the X95 50 G series will support Apple's Airplay and HomeKit as well no pricing though no ship dates just yet there is so much going on at CES I hope you a good representative cross-section of that will continue to do it tomorrow as well but there's lots of places to talk about what we're talking about sure are yeah we try to catch everything but but we need your help participate in our subreddit if you're so inclined you can submit stories you can also up or downvote other stories at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com if you like to hang out on Facebook well good we have a group there Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show and finally before we're out of here we should check the mail bag let's do it Andy in Montreal said in response to the Zuvix debates use it's I think he I think you misspelled that oh yes our music that's right debate of is it better on your face or your wrist and Andy says obviously you or your original e-mailer I believe it was Matt don't live in the great white north because at minus 30 degrees plus wind chill you don't pull up your sleeves to look at a watch and you are unable to see anything clearly on your fogged up glasses so we're gonna have to figure out somewhere else to put this thing yeah might not work in that particular situation it's a fair point yeah you got to try the glasses on yeah yeah the the the the music booth was that digital experience last night and because we had been talking about the idea of you know our smart glasses finally ready for prime time did they fit did they look good we tried them on and it was definitely cool the display was easy to see the navigation controls were easy to understand it's pretty simple but I could I could get around okay they did feel chunky in a bad way though they folded my ears down because they they were just a little famous your issues with the AirPods to well but the AirPods don't do this you know your ears to look like Dumbo when you're wearing glasses it's the reason you don't buy certain types of sunglasses they just don't fit your faceball I I wouldn't I wouldn't personally wear these they just weren't comfortable but I see that we're going in the right direction yeah all right and if you want to see Sarah wearing the glasses check out our Instagram instagram.com slash DTNS pics that's PIX DTNS PIX yes yes maybe you know they could be a little bit more flattering but it was fun to try them on always fun to see where companies are going with this also always fun to have Paul Spain with us 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again I don't know no idea that was amazing thank you again Paul that was awesome this court people couldn't hear you that makes sense then okay so so the recording on the file yeah okay but apologies discord folks that was an oversight on my part you're not routing Roger into the you probably get these on the background noise if Roger was on one of these though well yeah we just didn't have enough ports so we had to go with that today I've just ordered the zoom L12 mixer have you seen that one no I do like the zoom stuff what's the what's the L12 like one of the standard well it's got a zoom recorder built into it so you get a backup as well as whatever you're feeding into iPad or Mac or what have you which was the big standout for me as well as it being fully moldy channel so you know if you want to you can have everyone feeding into different channels for nice you know audition and whatnot so it has all the smarts inside okay I mean yeah this this is the war horse I've had this for more than 10 years and it just always works so that's why I haven't replaced it yeah but yeah this yeah this thing just I mean this is my travel mixer it's an Olesis multi mix and it's been with me forever what are you doing over there Roger no so people in discord can hear me oh okay he's alive I was trying to add my voice so Sarah what should we call this show we should call it not late for dinner I'm just kidding you used that joke yesterday you can't you get recycled jokes I didn't hear anybody laugh yesterday okay so it's recycled joke until I get the recognition it deserves and then I move on environmentally sounds of you that's just the way it works stick to stick to guns like yeah we got fist bump to pay we got Sony says hold my beer I don't understand that one because of the karaoke thing it'd be hard to name the show after something that was so small yeah but it was in there yeah it's clever though clever team will complete that game to paint through the ring finger whether nerds I like the ones I like the most of the ones that are very broad about CES in general because we have so many little topics naming it after one yeah almost over promises because people are like wait the show was about a lot of things do we do we have anything more general like that like yesterday we get the buzzword bingo that was a really good one hey Google make me some soup this bump to pay I mean that's not an example of a general you see you're saying there's not a good general idea huh not really the return of buzzword bingo thank you be faster I mean how many people can you fit along one table is general it's pretty good is there a theme to the stuff we talked about we were so all over the place I mean the theme I would think would be well we had we had buckets right we had our hands we had just fun stuff we saw and then yeah CES hasn't killed us yet first bump to face pretty good oh no boogaloo's right we've already done the boogaloo's no more boogaloo's hey no we're not doing boogaloo's what's a boogaloo anyway it's related to a boogie down I don't know it's very descriptive yeah this bump to pay is going to be my fist up to pay and more CES 2019 fist bump to pay and more I like CES 2019 Tuesday you know what I think I know what happened with my audio toward the end of the show we can't hear you right now okay I just think like I just occurred to me during turning toward the end Google hangout froze yeah and then I had to bring it back up so when you brought it back up the audio wasn't there anymore or something is that we um I mean I see bars all the best from CES you know nobody alright then we're going with nuts we're going with fist bump to pay and more CES 2019 well Paul you probably need to take off so we'll let you go thank you so much websites who play video yeah I'll get in touch again sometime yeah yeah let's do a home new home studio sit up moved into a new place okay what's it's all up and studio is probably is probably fine for the time of day New Zealand wise that you record yeah we're around that we're close to the same time just the next day right yeah yeah all the walls have been added out yeah fantastic stay healthy thank you don't worry yourself out yeah thanks for being here Paul I think I've finally learned you need to stop a pet nails and yeah that's correct actually types yourself rather than destroying yourself absolutely true you should check yourself before you record yourself thank you so much for swinging by dude I know it's kind of bad for your health you know what they didn't blast that water did I just not notice came up a little bit but not that loud not that they everyone listen I'll give a quick recap of what I so we have someone pitching us right now live pitch besides first bump yeah I see what you did there well everyone I'm gonna give a quick okay you're trying to give people a recap because they didn't hear you apologies apologies apologies so a quick recap of what I said one was on the the Motorola baby monitor what I was saying was that it does include some really awesome technologies but I don't think it's really that compelling over existing baby monitors that you can buy currently mostly because it still measures things like sleep but it measures them basically on motion of the child now as a child of a four month old one of things that I'm always kind of very conscientious up is how often my child lets her diaper and so how heavy the full or full the diapers at the end as well as any crying that she may do in the middle of the night different pitch cries and different duration cries indicate could typically indicate if your child sick or if they're just uncomfortable whether they need to eat really what I wanted was something with more comprehensive data Motorola did tell me that they were going working on it to include audio detection of crying and be able to use AI to analyze exactly what your child is crying about but they didn't give me an ETA on that the other product was the LED light transmission for data connection really cool idea they don't actually offer any other encryption other than the fact that it uses LED light and it presupposes that no one else would be able to intercept it because it's light based on like radio waves like Wi-Fi or you know even sell us you know 5g 4g it doesn't permeate through the wall so it's very limited very localized however I don't think you would want to use it just like that you would probably still want to run some sort of encryption whether it's VPN SSH you know whatever you do I don't know how how compelling it was very expensive as Tom mentioned like 900 bucks and then for each edition you only get one dongle for device you get up to 10 devices on one transmitter I don't really know how compelling that would be over just a digital network and telling everyone to use or setting up all the fine stations use some sort of encrypted tunneling it's a cool idea maybe in the two years someone would be able to have a device that would be able to intercept and decrypts or figure out what's being transmitted cool effort though I really liked it yeah so why do you have to encrypt over a regular versus a regular Wi-Fi connection because there's there's just no like you have you have password protection your Wi-Fi but with the light there's no like anybody who could see the light could monitor the connection yeah okay yeah I mean you know and they say they can't because it's very directional it's very limited right and because you're in your you're in your panic room yeah but I mean it's it's pretty it's it's supposing that you know that technology is forever locked and secured with that company no one else will ever figure it out kind of thing and the veto thing I think it's pretty cool I don't know how as soon that will get to your bonus take he didn't this is not one Roger got to the head on the show so you get an extra extra info it's it's very interesting because Bell worked on a very similar technology back in the 60s when they were trying to develop a veto system for the US Army and they came up with ducted fans like the market that you see and then they moved on to tilt rotors which the mv22 the Osprey Bell Boeing joint production Bell is currently actually working with Augusta Westland of Italy developed a big that into a commercial not military aircraft they have a demo demonstrator right now but I don't think they have any operators currently be pretty cool it's nice to see that you know stuff they've researched 40 years ago has has some has some relevance today also I prefer envy apples envy ENVY envy yes they're very sweet but they're very light and crisp tasty gay gala or Fuji those are my face I will go as a gala for gala gala welcome to our gala welcome to our gala I've always said gala well I think I would be like we say gala but then Paul said they say gala in New Zealand so that was stuck in my head I don't think it matters as you can say it however you wish you have some gala coming here you say gala I say gala let's just both have an apple pie apple pie and I try one of those pies that you know what I don't like I don't want to dish the dirt on digital experience but I was a little disappointed with the little hand pies oh I didn't even see the hand pies I saw Tommy and a brownie you know it's not that I but I didn't see a hand pie no one was supposed to know Sarah I don't know I just called you out it wasn't even on topic it's not that I'm knocking the pie out of digital hands but there was very little filling it was mostly crust you know I mean like oh this is good the envy is a result of a cross between a royal gala and a Braeburn oh I like a Braeburn too I had forgotten about the Braeburn in New Zealand we should have given high fives to Paul circle or circle as they say in New Zealand or circle how do they say it again circle circle circle circle flush in the circle then a flesh loss that's scholar all right thank you for moving over I know and I know the hangout people are like why did you make a move but they couldn't hear him in the discord if he was over there yes and just and I also realized that when my hair crashed midway through the show it picked up the wrong mic so that's why when it came because it worked yesterday just fine I don't know one of the stories locked up Google and like I noticed that all everyone's audio stopped in my headset oh yeah and so I had to kill it to bring it back kill it with fire I killed the bike quitting yes virtual fire but yes if you want yet that those are my opinions on the Motorola of the LED encryption they're very cool I mean I really like I'm as a dad now I'm getting really into the health tech because not only because I have kids but because I'm older and I'm more susceptible to ailments that come with old age and therefore things like monitoring my health or my kids health and stuff like that would be pretty cool yeah almost I'm almost 50 so I'm right there with it I wish they would have like a little I don't think iron mains are a real thing right you know the spices oh the bands are real thing the bands real thing but I mean the actual medieval torture was not a real that was that's fake there was never such a thing I that's what I read somewhere a while ago like yeah but that you can now you can't just assert that like I might have read that so well in any case they have a device that's like a like like a mummy tomb or coffin you sit in it and like in Stargate the movie they can just scan you figure what's wrong and then you can sit there the information doctor like you don't have to go in for anything that'd be awesome and then they you know your doctor can look at it and then write prescription don't write prescription you know it's like you know you have a bunch of predetermined options they can choose like you know take to Ashburn coffee in the morning or something else well we're gonna let Roger go back to that other desk because it's time to say goodbye to the video folks thank you for watching and audio folks stick around there is more like more Apple talk