 It's still the ballot 2023 and this is the general elections in the country where Nigerians are going to the polls to elect the president and members of the National Assembly. Of course the more elections are coming in March but today is the day where Nigerians will decide who becomes their president and who sits and represents them at the National Assembly, both the upper chamber and the lower chamber. But let's change the course of our conversation even though we're going to be giving you updates and fillers from different parts of the country as our correspondents continue to patrice in and we're being joined in the studio by Tunde Kalawale and Francis Chilaka. They're back with us in the studio. We're going to move to talk about education. Education is very important and we're not just going to be talking about formal education but every form of education. I want to say thank you gentlemen once again for being back in the studio. They say that education is the bedrock of every nation and every time we talk about education we're talking about the pen and the paper and going to a classroom but then how many, how street educated are we? Let me say you know we're book educated but then we're not necessarily educated in other ways. The average Nigerian how much of non-paper education do we have especially a firm grasp of how our polity works. I start with you Francis. I don't understand what you mean by streetwise education because if you're talking about streetwise education then a lot of people actually shouldn't be educated because streetwise doesn't mean education it just means that you're smart. But when you bring it down to an electoral process the problem is not that the Nigerians are not educated the problem is that some people have decided on their own not to abide by the rules of the game they've decided on their own to fashion out a different lifestyle for themselves when it comes to the elections. Take for instance when we talked about the redesign of the Naira the federal government gave I think October to December. People just felt this government is just wasting time people are just wasting their time. People have their own mindset of what they want and a system does not work like that. The people cannot have a mindset that determines how the government should work. It is the government that says this is how we want this ball to be played this game to be played. The people must fall in so it what we have at play is a fact that there is a disconnect between the people and the government and when you have that you have a lot of problem on your fingertips. Let's just wrap up now and talk about the security situations that have been reported across and various parts of the country. There have been reports of violence around them so in the area of Lagos a Lagoshi who also had reports in Borneo state and even Ineco features were attacked in Rosa. I understand we'll take that report and we'll come back we'll not get to any actions before we wrap up. Let's take that and trap now. I'm breaking it on their heads and everything. And reports of violence everywhere Jack on their job just receiving reports. We hear that Jack on the Fox came to the polling units scattered everything destroyed every single thing that was there. Same thing for through Larry and we're seeing so many things coming from Leckie a very unusual. We also have visuals from through Larry. Let's not forget that there were reports that sudden a sudden government official came with thoughts and then of course tried to scatter and disenfranchise people. So those are visuals from Akinelay streets Aguda in through Larry showing what has happened and people of course at some point they they scampered for safety. I'm beginning to see that maybe they had gathered again to see what they can you know get from that scene. I'm hoping that they can retrieve some of the electrical materials that were destroyed by these thugs. I'm going to come to you Mr. Like you said you'd hope that today would not be what we expected and what the naysayers had said it although it took a long time. I mean some people expected that if violence was supposed to break it would have broken out earlier but they waited up until now. Explain to us what you think the situation is and why it is the way it is. Not just like you at the end and say I will summarize it all. You were talking about education you gave a very graphic summary of what education should be. There is those early education that we get at home which is the Maluabi what the university people call a Maluabi culture and then of course you have the former education which you go through when you were either in secondary school university polytechnic and other and of course you have those ones that you get on the street. Of all those educations and what brings about violence and those education that people invite on the street. If you have had a very good former education I mean home education and then former environment like the kind of secondary school people like us attended in which democracy was part of the civic education that we are being given from day one when we entered secondary school then you were obtained from violence. Now with regards to the violence that we are seeing all over the places it was already the storm was already gathered for those who have a very discerning eye. The political party that is in power and they say was already turned into said among them said they were teaching on the streets and what have you. You also have all the opposition party too that is also enshrined all over the places and what have you and then you look at their chances of the security chiefs what have you even though they have given us the assurances that everything will be well but can you say from what you have seen some of these places today that the assurances that they have given actually meet the demands of what we are seeing on grass. I give you an example in all the pockets of those places and all that there are police stations like the division of police stations that are close by to most of those places and all that and what we would have expected that apart from the security arrangement that would be made at the state level at the federal level and what have you. The DPOs of each and the particular location where some of these election are taking place are also supposed to have made their own contingency plan and you know the law is this if a chance anybody goes to snap ballot box or to destroy all people from voting and all that or do anything that interrupt the sanctity or the integrity of these elections and all that the police have the wherewithal and the law empowers them to even fire to kill such persons and what have you. So I would further want to first and foremost blame the division of police officers of some of these places and that is what I've been saying for a long time to come they say go and establish a special electoral panel electoral cause and what I say you don't need it most of the kind that people commit in the different polling booths and all that they snatch ballot boxes destroy them they commit as in they commit murder sometimes they will destroy public property and also snatch answers and all that still these are all issues that are within the jurisdiction of the division of police officer to handle without even waiting for either the commission or police at the state level for all of that you say so you don't need a special panel no no no no no not at all not at all so we want to attribute this to a kind of security nothing all over the place. I hope you have spent Chilaca into the conversation now Kola Wale seems to believe that it's on the part of the whole issues on the part of a local policing that they're not really bringing themselves up to bear as in tackling this head on do we agree because from what we've had enough security of operatives were deployed across the country did you say enough according to IG they said that's I'm just quoting them but they said they have adequate security you know to police the entire country for the elections but from what we've seen so far it's as though that they're just paying lip service and at the end of the day migrants are not even safe at polling units. It is sad because I keep maintaining that we've become a country that we are reactive that I'm being proactive for it's not that we don't know that this violence will erupt it's not that we don't know that these things will come up we know and you know showcasing military men on TV showcasing policemen it's not the point the point is that how many polling units do you have in the state how many armed officers are you going to post in each of these places so it's it's it's being reactive there is a problem you wait for something to happen and then you begin to find the solution instead of you to find the solution before it happens so these things we know I know that there's going to be violence everybody sitting here knows there's going to be violent the question is how prepared yes how prepared even the soldiers we were told around where are they where we can't find them so if we can't find the soldiers we can't find the policemen and then you you're putting just um civilians with coppers to I mean common you know it it simply shows that there's a real big fault in the security architecture for this election I did you know talk about the issue of you know recruitment for security agencies especially our police looking at the percentage of policing in Nigeria to every 500 persons we have one police officer and that's almost a joke you know but then we hear promises from the presidency that oh that we're going to keep recruiting and the same goes for the army I do not have the correct statistics off the top of my head but we don't have adequate and that's why I was having a go at Justin because I mean with all of that what we say oh well we have the NSCDC and we have other you know uniformed bodies that assist but what can they do in instances like this where people are coming with weapons that can actually destroy a man who's carrying a baton when you say you don't have enough policemen have you also asked yourself the question how many of our VIPs have policemen attached to them you can have policemen who are meant to protect the lives and property of generality of Nigerians and you attach them to VIPs so I'm going to I'm a VIP I have five policemen attached to me so what do you expect the other policemen that will protect the Nigerians to come from so we need to think as if there is no box and how do we think as if there is no box any VIP that misprotects you go for a private private security have your bodyguards except there is you know your life is being threatened but this whole idea of having a policeman who salaries are paid from taxpayers money following VIPs for me is a no no and that is where this whole problem of lack of personal comes from just to but before we wrap things up because just to but that's what you have said I was using statistics from a former IG of police who said that at a time about 500 policemen just like you said 180 of them were attacked to individuals not too long ago here in Lagos a musician who had some problems at a nightclub and all that had six policemen attacked to him and you ask yourself if you have a country with all this security a myriad of security challenges and all that and when there are licensed security agencies and all that and all that why would you not be deploying policemen paid with taxpayers money to supply in some other client and all that would not believe it as some of this president the president of France that of America and all that they all have their own private security guard in addition to what they said might be provided for them from their own salaries then more importantly and Nora we often make mistake I mean this mistake that it is a regular police there are two where's the black uniform rights police that is not true I have always incited and said that in only on a day like this there is nothing stopping you from even using last my official to do certain things there's nothing stopping you from using the Lagos Neighborhood Security but what can they do in terms of policing a traffic manager knows how to manage traffic look at okay let's come to a polling unit with machetes armed with things that can destroy the man in the last minute from what can you possibly tell you what they can do at a time when the Lagos Neighborhood Security was established which they are not paying attention to they were deployed to certain places all over Lagos they just sit down quietly in there watching what is happening they never arrest arrest or touch anybody but as soon as they see a non becoming or a behavior or a suspicious movement and what have you what do they do they use either their phone or their walkie-talkie to get to the nearby police station and what have you and then before you know it the policeman would have arrived in there and nip whatever crisis is a break in the ball when the first started the statistic showed us a 30 percent crime rate class in Lagos by about 30 percent so if only they like this deploy the Lagos Neighborhood Security with blood last month Lagos NSDCCS and what have you they stay quiet in there and then they watch the movement of things and all that as soon as these people are getting and problem is about to start they know to contact and then the people who can really quiet the crisis will be deployed over in there these are conversations that we will continue to have because elections are not over today we still have more coming in March but but Justin we must have very big thank you because we are completely out of time for the session we have a big thank you to Francis Chilaca and of course uh to the color legal practitioner many thanks for all of the important things thank you so much gentlemen well it's still the ballot we'll be right back uh we're not even going too far we're here we're not going anywhere but we're going to be talking education in full swing hello hope you enjoyed the news please do subscribe to our youtube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so 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