 Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, your CEO. And I'm here with the official, Ms. Jamaica. Don't know, Adele, what's going on? What's going on now? Hey, we got a special guest, man, somebody that really, you know, you guys, hey, man, he's been in film. Man, this guy, man, he's been helping people, man. You know, people who get released from prison, man. He's got a good heart, man, a heart from God, man. A guy that, like I said, man, Cotton Pickle, right? True story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fleetwood Bowden, man. What's going on, baby? Man, I'm just thankful to be thankful. You know, the day is a gift from God. I'm trying to maximize it. I'm thankful that he gave it to me. I'm honored to be sitting here across the table from you. You know, you listening and looking at America. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, we gonna get into it. I definitely just appreciate you guys for stopping in, man, straight out of Oakland. You know, but you guys, man, y'all came from Arizona, right? True story. I've been in Arizona for four years. I had my first child, me and Rap and Forte went to the Superbowl 2015, and I got the best gift ever. And that's my daughter, Zephaniah Miley Rose Bowden. She the CEO of three companies right now. She three years old. And I've been down there, you know, just watching her nurture me and her mama didn't work out, but I respect her, her moms, you know. And right now I'm just going home for my daughter, grandbabies, you know. Check it. So I've been down in that desert. God bless me to drive a train down there. Yeah. I never thought I'd do nothing like that, but that ain't why he let me out to pen and tension. OK. He let me out to pen and tension to take these gifts that he's given me and lead the lost to him. Let me go back on something you just said. So Rap and Forte, you got a relationship with this guy? Yes. Ain't nobody in the bay I don't have a relationship with. I'm the only person in the bay that wrote his own book and it was a national bestseller. Wow. I'm the only person in the bay that had a reentry program for the last 20 years, helping people transition from any form of incarceration and they never asked the government for a penny. Wow. So they got to respect it. A lot, you know, people might not like it, but they're going to respect that grind. You got to respect it, man. So you helped a lot of brothers. How did you, how was that process? How did you do that? Like a lot of people, like we've, that's our passion. Yeah. It's helping people. And sometimes you want to understand the process of how you could help one. You know, we don't know how you get into that, especially one that, say you face time and you're like, OK, I'm going to get back to help these brothers. How would you do it? But you get on boss talk radio one-on-one. You get on platforms like this and you tell your story, you ask for help. So, you know, my thing is called 72 Hours of Hope. Usually it's the third day that you go back to whatever you was doing that got you incarcerated or either you start back using drugs or whatever because you don't promise a lot of people. You promise God, you promise your girl, you promise your children. You know, you was, a lot of brothers are institutionalized because we was rebels on the street. We had no discipline or structure. So, when you go behind that wall, either you're going to have to get structure because they're going to demand you to work or you're going to have to stay in that cell 23 hours. So, that's why a lot of brothers and sisters are at their best behind the walls is just being able to transition back into society and do the same thing. But when you got a lot of temptation that it's hard to do it. But a lot of them come out with the momentum. Want to change. Want to have an opportunity to change. But the first three days is the most crucial time. So, my third, I made all of them promises many times but this time I went into a shelter. I was determined. I told the man, look here sir, I need a job to keep from helping to rob somebody like you got a job. I just got a prison man. I ain't playing, I want to take. He told me to calm down. He was going to give me a job. His name was Willie Hall, 39 fails. San Francisco dropped me and sent out the application. Told him to start the next day. I walked out of there and started crying. And I knew my life was about to change. So, I called a couple of my homies, DJ X1M, told them I wanted to come on KPOO radio, the biggest black radio station in Frisco, tell my story. I went on there. I'm talking like I'm talking there. I said, look, I want to put together a nonprofit because the Bay Area is hippies in Black Panthers. We not Crips or Bloods. We come, we were revolutionaries. That's where our households are. So, you know, it's more community-based organizations in the Bay Area than anywhere. So, I went on the radio and said, I want to start my own nonprofit re-entry program and find some people like this man who has gave me a job. But I don't know what I'm doing. The whole board lit up. People called in and said they wanted to help me with my articles of a corporation, the bylaws, Perkins and Coy, who've been my lawyers now for 20 years, one of the biggest law firms. Website people called. Just all kind of people, newspapers, they was called and said they wanted to help me. Then a lady called. And she said, I just became a district attorney of San Francisco. And I'm sitting here listening to you. I feel your passion. I want you to come to my office. You leave. I went to her office and she gave me a letter of endorsement from the San Francisco district attorney office. And that lady today is the vice president of the United States. Wow. See what I'm saying? So, if anybody out there seeking, you know, to help people find your platform like Boss Talk 101, get on a community-based radio station, tell your story. You know what I'm saying? You know, some people gonna always feel as the truth. You come from the heart, it's gonna reach the heart. There's a lot of people in powerful positions that have been through struggles, that wanna support somebody, helping somebody who's going through a struggle. Man, so that's something else. That's right. I love it, man. It just shows you the power of God, man. True story. You know, and it shows you the power of getting behind a microphone. Yeah. That's powerful. You don't know who's gonna hear your story. You don't know. And the thing, I just wanna say, so let's go back, how long were you locked up? Well, first time I've been in the cell was I was 12 years old in Montana, California, and I went back and forth my whole life. And I added up one day, it was 16 years. As long as I ever did, it was from 91 to 90, to 96. My grandmother told me I had to leave California. I had got out, I think, like 89, and it was like, you gotta go somewhere, you keep going to jail. That was during the end of the crack era. Yeah. And I had just got out the feds, and I met the three biggest drug lords in the whole United States. That's still my friends to this day. They was looking for Freeway Rick Ross. We was watching them on TV. So anyway, my grandmother was like, you gotta get out of here. So we'll give you $2,000 the way you wanna go. At the time, Minneapolis, Minnesota was the new Motown. Jennie Jackson and all of them was up there. You know, Jennie Jackson Prince, Terry Lee Lewis, all of them was doing their thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't know nobody up there. I said, man, I wanna go to Minnesota because I don't know nobody. So I went to Minneapolis, got me a apartment, started going to music school for audio engineering, and I found out that an ounce of cocaine cost $1,200. I didn't get it for $400. So my homie started sending it to me in the mail. I was doing cool for a while. Some cats tried to rob me. I jumped out of the window, hit my face on the side of a fence. I had four ounces in my underwear and I woke up handcuffed to a hospital. I mean, handcuffed to the hospital bed with a gown on. They found the drugs. I had previous charges in San Francisco or Oakland. So they gave me 60 months. I started adding it up. I said, man, that's five years. Man, wait a minute. I said, hold on, man. Y'all got some kind of diversion or some program, man. I said, man, that's a long time. I had never did that long over stretch. The first year I was blaming the white man, you know. Second year I was blaming them girls who stopped seeing me. Third year I was blaming them Negroes who weren't sending no money no more. The fourth year I looked in the mirror and said, it was you who made the choices to lead to the consequences you live in there. And that's when I stopped living waste. I started reading the word, hanging with the OGs and just preparing myself for my departure because I had an out date. So I got out, I formed a group called Probable Calls. We had a hit record. There was something that's on the internet right now. And it was blowing. And then the Bay Area independent scene had really started blowing. My partner JT, the bigger figure, had just went in the priority. Him, Master P, a nice cube and got a million dollars a piece. JT was the youngest one. So, you know, my group, Probable Calls, we broke up because we all was from different street organizations. As it started going up, their leaders was like, he think he Master P, y'all need him, just come with us. So I told them about their business. I went back to the Bay Area and JT had a movie coming out with Mack Maugh called Beware of Those. He told me he's gonna put me on a soundtrack and he signed me to a two year deal. And I went back to the Bay and you know, it's been, you know, love since then, man. Wow, man, that's crazy. You know, but the whole thing was, I realized then I was becoming an old rapper and I had always followed old Shay Jackson, which is a cube. He wrote the whole straight out of Compton, and now I'm a several years old. He was the only one that wouldn't take no check when they offered him the money because he knew his genius. And he's a business minded dude. So I remember that about cubes and I remember I seen them in Boys in the Hood and that's when I realized that I got to elevate my pen. My pen bleed heavy because I'm a storyteller but I can't be no old rapper. And if I write a book, there's no limitations on me as an artist. No age limit. No age limit. So that's when I wrote hip hop, tried to kill me and store my life and it blew up as a national best-selling artist. I'm the only one in the Bay. It's a lot of people got books out but I'm the only one wrote his own book, self-published and it was a national best-selling. Wow. I'm the only one. Ain't God good? Man, God is. Won't he do it? Man, that's the big home. God is not a miracle round. You gotta turn to him cause he won't turn on you. Man. He say how the faith of a mustard seed is all you need. The smallest seed that ever was. Pee-pee, you know, praise God and pray you can call him Allah, Yahweh, Buddha, Jesus, whatever you want to call him. Just call him cause he ain't gonna block your number. No, he ain't gonna block it. You know what I'm saying? He love you right through it, don't he? Yeah, you can't go on to this devilish world with no protection. You gotta spend time with God every morning. You can't put nothing above God, no money, no woman, call or nothing cause he jealous. Anytime you do that, if your life is going not the way you want it going you call it bad luck. That's cause you ain't, God ain't proud of what you're doing. You need to reevaluate yourself. And you ain't got to be perfect. Ain't nobody perfect but a hypocrite. Ain't nobody what happened in church is how you walk when you leave church or the mosque or whatever. It's easy to be, you know, be a Christian or be a Muslim or whatever you call yourself when everybody looking to listen. But what you gonna do when ain't nobody looking to listen? The thing, I wanna get back to you and being incarcerated and this change. I was talking to the juvenile kids the other day when we was about a week or so ago. And when we was talking, the thing that I told them was that in order for you to change, that change has to happen right now. Not waiting till you get now, not you're gonna do this, you're gonna do that. It happens during the process. Was there a time in there where you thought about and said that maybe after the fourth year or so that maybe, hey man, it's time for a change? Well, I had became institutionalized. Like a lot of brothers and sisters, they go in there as rebels and they have to conform or either gonna stay locked up, you know, an OG came by my side. Boy, you caused what? I said, what you talking about, man? He said, boy, you got on bomb. You got Lil' Kim, you got Fox Brown, all these girls up on your wall with them, man. You comfortable? You comfortable? Boy, you got a little, two-faced on your little pictures and stuff. Yeah, yeah, you got them set up. You got the checkerboard on your toilet, boy. You got the, boy, your ranchers look like you at the motel, see, you all tucked in. Boy, you got a little, you got the major little frame to set the pictures up and you at home, man. You just your home. And then walked away. I said, I looked at all them pictures. Man, I started ripping all this stuff off the wall. I started ripping, I said, man, I want to remind myself that this is jail. Yeah, this ain't my home. I don't got two cars up in here. Uh-uh, this ain't not my spot. Man, I never heard of it before. So, no, no, no, I get it because I seen it. I get it, you seen it, right? Yeah. So that was one, you know, and after I had that talk with myself, that was that transition. Yeah, yeah, cleansing you up. Yeah, and that's when I started preparing myself spiritually. I knew I had to build on spiritual diet because the war is not physical. You can live 500 pounds and still be lost. Yeah, yeah. The muscle is your spirit. Whatever you digest, spiritual is going to be your perspective on the world. Whatever you digest in your mouth is how you're going to be able to walk in the world. See what I'm saying? You have to keep yourself on the spirit to die. You got to spend time with God. And that's what I started doing. I started, I read the Torah, the Bible, and I read the Quran. That's what's up. You know what I'm saying? I started reading different authors and just taking my mind out of that cross-deaf fence. I wasn't locked up no more because my spirit was free. Man, man, man. I already knew what I was going to do. I knew I was going to become a gang counselor. That's what I ended up becoming. I started working the shelves. I knew that I had to go back where people were beginning to go through what I had already been through and share my testimony to inspire them. I knew I found my purpose in life. You know what I'm saying? I've been a star all my life. Football, basketball, you know, but I knew my stage was in front of the loss. Man, man, I just love your story. When I even started looking at cotton pickers and the way your story was lining up for me, I said, I had to have you on the show, man, because you represent our people, man. And your music, your music is so, it's conscious music. Yeah, but you know, I like it, you know. But one thing I try not to do, though, you know, I try not to, I don't know if I can say this word on here, the K-R-A-C-K-E-R-S word. Yeah, yeah, you can say it. Okay, cracker. I try not to say cracker-ass, cracker-ass, cracker-ass in my music because God is about love, it's not about hate. I don't want to be a message of hate even though I know what they did was wrong to my people. But me coming out as a person of hate and attacking them is not what God gonna be proud of. But that makes you deal. Yeah, so my thing is just to address the issue and let them know, hey, man, right is right and wrong is wrong. Slavery was the most horrendous crime ever been committed. You have been benefiting off the profits of slavery. You come in with a privilege called white privilege from day one, you know what I'm saying? And either you feel bad about it or you're using your position in life to try to help heal this wound. Are you telling us to forget about it and you part of the poison? It's as simple as that. Until you do right, that's the new record with me and Gudima, me and Kujo from Gudima. Until you do right by black people, no good gonna come to you. Because karma is true. You reap what you sow. When no one's looking, God is always watching. The last gonna be first and the first gonna be last. It's in every holy book. Our time is coming. This ain't no time to quit, black folks. We done been through all this. What you gonna quit for now? Come on now. That's it. COVID-19, COVID-19 separating the squares from the hustlers. That's all it's doing with crack. Came everybody to hustle. All you do is go get some crack and go outside. That don't make you no hustler. That's it. Now we gonna find out how much grind you really got. Can you switch your occupation to a virtual grind? You know what I'm saying? That's your faith at now. I don't need no damn mask. I got guards. Is it crazy? All right, all right. What's wrong with them people? How in the world can't, excuse my language, a fart go through your pants but they don't think a damn disease in there ain't gonna come through a mask. Is it crazy? Man, that shit hurt my ears, man. I ain't wearing no, I wear these. Man, like I go in the bank like John does. Can I get a little draw? I love that part. I go in there like this. Can I, how y'all do it this one? Can I get a little draw? I take pictures all in the bank. Y'all been making it with John like John does. I mean, it's crazy. It is crazy for people to really, what you said makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It's like, okay, what are we fighting against? How does this thing really affect the community? What is really going on with it? I don't think people ever got the just of it. I think it's a bunch of confusion, you know? And at the end of the day, you know, God is not the author of the confusion. Believe that. He brings a realism to what he does. Believe that. God is different than what we make him up to be. See, we try to put him in this box. I call it our alabaster box. We want him to be exactly what we want him to be. But he's different. He's bigger than what we could ever think I ask. So it's a totally different ball game with God. So God is totally different than what people try to make him out to be. True story. You know, you better think again. And he might not be on your time. But he gonna be right on your time. But he gonna be right on time. Yes, sir. We know that. We found that out yesterday with that cat. Come out of North Carolina, man. Shoot, man. So the film, it's a short film, right? Yo, I got four of them. Okay, talk to me about what's going on with the films. I wanna just get into, I mean, go through them. Yes, sir. Let's talk about them. So in 2009, I released my first film about a girl basketball team. They had just won the championship. And my climb was high. The boys had been winning everything for 36 years. The girls finally won something on the championship. But I covered, you know, that was when I was looking for a story and I read it in the newspaper about these girls. I said, that's it right there. How'd you get the budget for that? Well, I just went on the radio read my mouth and I found out about Indiegogo and GoFundMe. Okay. So, you know, I created an Indiegogo campaign. I made a synopsis and I took a picture, you know, and told them what I was trying to do. And I reached out to everybody I knew. And I know, you know, quite a few people, I said, if I can get $10 from each one, that's about $5,000. Wow. So that was my mark, but I got more than that. Wow. So the story was about four girls and I didn't cover the championship on the court what I covered was the triumph off the court. Because in Oakland, it ain't never been a strip club. It ain't gonna be no strip clubs. They don't play that. The movement in Mack was for real. There's two sides of Oakland, the Huey Newton, Black Panther and the Pimpin' and the Pantry. They out there on International Boulevard right now. That's why Too Short can be so articulate about his art because he see it every day. You see girls out there, sex workers that was in high school with you, with no shame. They come from them kind of households. Either they had their uncle and mom and daddy was part of the Black Panther's or they was players and pimps and it's susceptible. So my thing was, how do these girls get from their household, you know, with that, avoiding these teenage, some wannabe pimps, avoiding the potholes that young women deal with as their hormones changing, they happen to deal with, you know, somebody just got killed, you know, that they know and all that. To make it to school, then study hard enough to get the level of grades, to be on the team, then practice hard enough to be a starter, then stand out. That's what I covered. That was a real triumph right there. So it's called, I Just Want a Ball because everybody in the hood want a ball. So I said, I Just Want a Ball, the metaphoric way. All four of the girls I covered now, they want scholarships to go to junior colleges. They doing good. We pitching them right now to a network to be a TV series. That was my first one. I really didn't know what I was doing. I never went to film school. I just asked a few questions. I always wrote the treatments to the videos for every group I was in or created. And I just did the same thing. The second one, I met this guy named Bishop Geer. But how long did it take you from the moment you had the idea to filming to get it all done? Probably about nine months. Because I used the same team that I did to shoot my videos. They knew what they was doing. I just went and told them I'm gonna make a film, a short film. And I told them an idea and they pretty much laid the formula out. Anybody listen right now, I'm finna give you the formula. Short film is only, you get interviews. You get B-roll, which is scanning the scenery of what your story pertains. Then you get expertise on it. Somebody that knows something about the subject and you get some statistics. And then you do the narration over the B-roll. And that's the four elements right there of any documentary film. You can go back and look and you're gonna see them four elements. You can usually get it done for $3,000. And a short film can be from two minutes to 40-something minutes. And the greatest thing about it, it's like a mixtape. You generate a buzz in the industry for you being able to capture a story from a certain angle. You put it in film festivals and then you get to accolade the lower leaf to put on the outside of your media kit of your DVD. And that gives you the credentials. And then your names start ringing. You don't create a buzz. And they ask you, because see, you can be in a room with 500 people, they don't see the same story that you see. If you got, if you're a conceptual visionary like me, I catch lightning in the bottom. I've been doing it my whole life. See what I'm saying? So that's, you know, that's just the gift God gave me. Do you ever sleep? I don't sleep. I sleep in the penitentiary. Because people like you who always get ideas and stuff like that, I don't see them sleeping. I don't sleep. So here's my to-do list right here today. I do not go to sleep until this is on my, until this is on my nightstand, wherever I'm at. Right, you're so mad. And all completed. All completed. Where you at, A? Right there. Both of them. Yeah, right there. Gotta do it. Yeah, cause, you know, no house has been built without a blueprint. I used to smoke too much weed. I've been, we don't forget. I'm gonna be a billionaire. You know what I'm saying? You got to have, they say stick to the script. If you got no script, what you gonna stick to? That's why. You know what I'm saying? You have to have something to look at, to keep you navigated on what you're trying to do. You know what I'm saying? Even if it's three things, at least you can pull it out, at least you can wake up and see it on your walk. See, I go in these places, these distribution companies, record labels. I'd be like a bank camera. I'm looking around like this. The man talking to him, I'm like, oh, yes, sir? Yes, sir, uh-huh, yes, sir. I'm looking at everything they got to do and the way they got instruction. All I see is chalkboards, chalkboard, numbers on it. To-do lists, and I say, okay. My whole apartment, that's how all my apartments look. I got stickers everywhere, on the freight rail, on the cabinets. Everywhere got stickers, except for bathroom. Yeah. Cause you have gold and aspirations. Gold and aspirations, but the main thing is focus and discipline. No one has been financially secure and successful without being disciplinary in their life. Discipline is the key to success. If you don't control yourself, something or somebody will. I don't care what kind of camera that you can buy from the dollar store, or you can buy from Macy's. If it ain't focused, it ain't gonna take no good pitching. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So that's just, this is a glimpse of it, man. So my second film, I met this dude here picked cotton for 18 years in Mississippi and never got paid. He migrated to Oakland, California. So my family was called a cotton picker, and it was about the con gang called Sharecroft. See people don't understand, if you was in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, your people migrated up to Philly, DC, and New York. If you was in Mississippi and Alabama, most of them went to Gary in the island for the steel mill, and then Detroit and Chicago were Detroit for the auto industry. If you was in Texas and Louisiana, most of your people went out west for the Navy shipyards. That was a migration of our people, but it happened after the frustration of Sharecroft because after slavery, they were supposed to split the money with us at the end of the year, but we didn't really know how to read or write. So they came up, oh, nah, hey, man, we kinda short this year. Oh, Charlie, look here. Y'all stayed there last year for free. We y'all gonna stay there again. But we gonna try to stay again one more year, and hopefully it don't rain too much, you know, we gonna double up next time next year. That's called finesse. That's called finesse. For dangling, twangling, twisting, whatever you wanna call it, you know what I'm saying? And then finally they said, man, hey, the hell with this, I'm gonna finna go to Chicago up there with my cousins there, working on the railroad and up there in Detroit when they fixing them cars. Cause we only knew the South. It's safe from the dirt to the dirt. No slave ship comes to Chicago or New York City or California. We all black folks, we from the South. That's so true. And let me tell you something, I don't understand why the South went. I told them 20-something years ago, I was in Greensboro, North Carolina, where Mom and them from, and I had a TV show called The Dirty Dirty All-Dow South Rap. I said, me and the South finna take over. They said, why you say that? I said, because the youth be around each other all day at all different kind of events. If it's any kind of beef, they be done handle that by the time the concert comes. In Chicago, L.A., Oakland, and a lot of places, Detroit, only time they come together is for a concert the whole city, I mean, from different hoods. In the South, where all them cars are there, they go to the step show together. They go to the basketball game, the football game. They go to school together. So if you beefing with somebody, by the time the concert comes, you are in a took care of that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So the mergers of the youth gathering down South is what has allowed the South urban music to be so prominent, man. And they ain't gonna be able to let it go. No, I agree. I remember a lot of times in the South we definitely rode with the West Coast Sound, man. It was a, we felt, I mean, the love, man, like the two shorts and all those guys, Ice Cubes, most of the guys, man, they really, really, you know, like you were good at mob, like we clicked, you know what I mean? Well, it was my teachers, man. Yeah. Good at mob, NWA, two short, public enemy common sense, you know, Pot, Spice One, you know, ex-clan. My mom died, I was 17, man, died from cancer, my best friend, and you know, it was hard, man, and I listened to Guess Who for about two years. Did you have a father in your life? My dad was a Hadron King, paying in Oakland. Both of them was from Greensboro, North Carolina. My dad went to Travis Air Force Base in California, then he went back and got his mom and his high school sweetheart, which was my mom, and he was a pilot in the Vietnam War. So the soldiers in the Vietnam War, most of them came back as Harons at it because of the traumatization, they started eating them poppy plants. Yeah. That was pure Harons. So that's how the, that's how the Harons, that's how the Harons emerged in urban America in the early 70s and late 60s because all the soldiers came back as dope things. But my dad, and like a few more like Frank Lucas, they was pilots. So my dad wasn't on the ground. So when he got out, he started driving a bus and Cali couldn't make it. He went back to Vietnam and got 10 keys of Harons. Oh, he did like Frank Lucas? Yeah, he did like Frank. Well, I ain't never lived in the projects. I always stayed in mansions outside San Francisco, Marvigate, and Marvigate, what's the other dude named Marvigate? Oh, they used to be in my household smootin' cocaine. It was my dad's partners. You know what I'm sayin'? Chuck O'Conn was his girlfriend. She was towed up then before she went overseas. But that was his girlfriend. My daddy looked like Richard Ratch. I used to think my dad was Shaft, looked just like him. You know, they gunned him down in the streets of Oakland. They did it. I wanted to go kill them Colombians, but my grandma explained that he had destroyed a lot of households. That was part of the game he chose to be or is. How old was he when that happened? My dad was about, like, 49. So you had to spend time with him when your mom passed? I mean, my dad never taught me. Now, he was an enforcer. He taught him to smell good and stay manicured. And he taught me that by watching him. He was on the road all the time. He was on the road and he was an enforcer. So that's all he knew was he wasn't a teacher. You know what I'm sayin'? But he was a great provider. I had the best of everything. And it was crazy. Every year he had whatever kind of Fleetwood it was. You know what I'm sayin'? I used to ride in the front seat with him through Oakland, through Frisco, Clean, you know, Prohalves. Years later, a sex worker gave me the name Fleetwood. I just wanted to ask you, is that where the name came from? Yeah, so who was that gave you that name? A sex worker. Sex worker gave the boy the name Fleetwood. How old were you at the time? I was 19. She walked up and gave me a bunch of money. You know, and I was like, you know, she said, what's your name? I said, whatever. You gonna keep giving this money? She said, I'm gonna call you Fleetwood cause you hold up and you smooth. I said, all right, I'll walk the way. And you kept that name ever since? Yeah, that's right, buddy, smooth, baby. Yeah, so, you know, that was the- You've been through so much and you know so many people and you have so much information in that head of yours. But that's God, though. Cause I was signin' a rough ride at 99. Just like we in this room, it was me, D.L. Megs, Locke. Really? EVE and Drago, we was all in Brooklyn, Northman, Atlantic and Big Yellow Hood. And I had a group called The Foundation from North Carolina, you know what I'm sayin'? They gave me 1,500 for a production deal, but I was wild, I was wild. I was gang bangin', shootin' at the police, gettin' Rodney King, sellin' dope. But that's what they liked about it cause my music was real aggressive and it was southern, you know what I'm sayin'? But I wasn't focused, you know, it crushed me. Just like when I went to prison in Minneapolis, so the R.L. from the group next was in my living room, writein' butter love. I knew he was gonna blow. You know what I got? He was like Michael Jackson. I used to go to his mama house every day. Cause I was goin' to audio engineering school, I had my first label, Steel Hustler Music. I was tryin' to sign this little dude, but I had to sign his mama cause he's only 15. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? You can't sign a minor. So I used to go to his mama house and try to butter her up, you know what I'm sayin'? Tryin' to make the deal happen. But Jimmy J. Materie Lewis then was at him. So they like, who was this little boy? I had waves then, I brushed my waves out and the penitentiary stressed out. But you know, they was like, man, you ain't even on the level that people call us, pretty much. They ain't sayin' like that, but that's what it was. But you know, to this day, you got love for me on R.L. Yeah, you know, cause you know, I took a liking to him, told him to stay out the way. His brother was completely different from him to Tyler, but I knew R.L. was gonna make it. Wow. And they came out with butter love, then they came out with standing so close. They was shinin' shots out to me on the radio. It was devastating though, man. Wow. But the way how you are and the discipline, the way how disciplined you are and the focus you are, did that come after you did all that, the five years in prison, or did, or you had that in you before? Well, I always hit a to-do list. It seemed like you're always dealin' with it. But I, you know, be honest with ya, I carried the burden of my mom's death for like 15 years because I was in trouble all the time. I always got A's and B's, but I stayed in the vice principal office. I stayed in juvenile cause I was tryin' to be like my dad and my mom never did not come get me. And my mom was a welfare worker. I used to play with food stamps when I was little. I thought it was the monopoly money. But her sister's name, all of them was in New York, Philly, D.C., and when my mom died, she, they all came down and I heard them in her room like that boy word of the mom of the death. You know, and I knew, I knew I didn't ever used to go to the hospital cause I ain't like seein' my mama like that. She had cancer, they cut her breasts off, her hair fell out, her stomach got beat. I'm like, man, I ain't gonna see my mom like that, you know? And it bothered me for a long time, bro. Cause I felt like I maybe I did. You know what I'm saying? I can tell your story at the same way. My mom died of cancer and I never told this before though, but a lot of people wonder why I like, I stopped drinkin' like and just kinda cold turkey when I went through some stuff. And I never drunk again, but I remember one thing. You know, I remember the last time I seen my mom, she had cancer. And the last thing she said to me was, she was like, you the smartest child I got, why do you always be drunk? I was drunk and throwin' up, I threw up in the bathroom and you know, they're supposed to be around germs and stuff like that. So I always had this thing where I felt like, man, if I hadn't threw up in her, maybe she'd have lasted longer. In my mind, I'm telling you. And it kinda affected me in a way where I felt like, and she was 44. I was 23, 24 at the time. So it does affect you when you lose somebody like that and you know you was dealin' with them. But I think God is the ultimately, when I grew, I understood that God has an ultimate plan. And it really is not about what we think these things cause we put our mental in. The Bible says, so is a man, think it's so is he. In his heart. So that thing right there is real. You know what I'm sayin'? So you can put things in your heart, in your mind, and put yourself in a corner. And it's not even the real. It's not real. You know what I'm sayin'? So you gotta be humble enough to say, God was the one that let these things transpire. Like we said yesterday, everything begins in the mind. Definitely. That's really all it was. It's mental. Yeah, yeah. It's just all about what you believe in. But I definitely, I sit here and listen to you talking and every time you say your mom had cancer, it just keep punchin' it. Keep punchin' it. Keep punchin' it. Because my mom had cancer. She died early on, you know. How was your mother when she passed? She was 42. See, mom was 44. Yeah, and I asked a lot of people, why God do that to my mama like that? Tear body up and do all that too. Yeah, yeah. My mom said that they, my mom actually said that they killed her, really. She was sayin' that they didn't know what they were doin' on the surgery. My brother told me, she never told me that, but my older brother told me that. So it's a lot of times, I think a lot of times they don't know. They just goin' through tryin' things, you know? So go ahead, I'm sorry I cut you off. No, it's all right. So anyway, you know, when the queen was askin' me about, you know, my disciplinary way I am now in my talk, cause I wasn't. And then I was dealin' with that bird, and that's when I started smokin' crackin' weed. We call them Grimmys in the Bay. Yeah, we call them Primo's down here. Yeah, Primo, I was runnin' from reality. Yeah, I was runnin' from reality and stayed drunk and wild, but I always was gifted with my pen, cause I used to fly back and forth on airplanes my whole life, and I always had stories in my head to tell, you know, teachers say, what if y'all do this summer? I was one of the first ones, laid in my hand, and I'd go straight to the class. Oh, we was about Fishman's Wharf, and I seen these big old ships, and we seen the Blue Ocean, and I seen the Black Panthers, and they came and got me and took me to the breathers. I had, so when I was in Cali, I would tell the homies about North Carolina. When I was in North Carolina, I would tell the little homies about Cali. I always was a storyteller. They loved all your stories. Yeah, so I, you know, I never been scared of the stage, man. So, yeah, I mean, one of the reasons I go so hard is because I want my mom to be proud of him. I know she is. I know she is. Now, you know, she always been regardless, but you know, you know, she was a well-fed worker, so one of my aspirations is to build Ms. Betty's house, a 24-hour safe haven where people can come, shower, you know, watch TV, hear some spiritual music. We're not gonna force you to be on Caseman. They got him in Frisco to call drop-in centers. Yeah. You come, I done went in a many times, feet hurting, you know what I'm saying? I ran out with somebody at SAC, you going in, you sit down, take your shower, you get some hygiene products, you sit there 24 hours, then you go back out to the block or either if you want some Caseman, means you get it in the morning. So I'm gonna create something, you know, God's will call. Let me ask you a question. Something that crossed my mind because of a post Charleston White put up something because he was in Atlanta this past weekend. And he said that the water boys, they run out to the car with the water and he was saying that he couldn't live in Atlanta. I'm like, but my boy Fleetwood was going to Atlanta. And I think he was saying because it's so much, you know, he say, you know, we need to get these boys some lawn mowers. We need to get these boys some, you know, some show these boys how to get, you know, jobs, you know, like you was talking about yesterday, like air conditioning and, you know, roofing and whatever, you know, show them how to do something that's gonna show them how to eat. So they don't have to be out there trying to stand and sell water. Well, I mean, is there anything that you feel, what would you do in a situation where you see a need? Is there anything or would you just set back? No. I mean, anytime you see somebody out there selling water, they're natural sales, they can sell houses. It's got to change their product. Okay. If you get a dollar, you just got to change the product where you can get a $10,000 commission. That's a picture of my mom, my daughter right there, you know, and, you know, that's, you know, that's what it is, man. So I'm going to the South to make it felony friendly. Like I said, the bay is- Okay, so that's what you're gonna do? I'm gonna make it felony friendly because see in the South, if you got a felony, you tow up. Yeah. In the Bay Area, like my boy just did eight years, he got out three months later, he worked at the county jail, making $42,000 an hour. Okay. That wouldn't never happen in the South. No. You know what I'm saying? You know, so the first thing I'm gonna do is attack that question on applications and rental applications. Have you ever been convicted of a felony? That's illegal. That's unconstitutional. How can the United States government actually have you ever been convicted of a crime and they was behind the most horrendous crime ever been committed with slavery? That's hypocrisy. It has to be addressed. So you can't ask for a second chance as a U.S. government if you won't give people a second chance. Wow. See what I'm saying? So it's a thing called banning the box. Me and Boots Rally did, along with all of us and none and legal services for prisons with children. 10 years ago, we fought and fought and fought against Proposition 21. We got that. You can't ask nobody that until the interview. You can't just shut nobody down on the application. Wow. Now you can ask them that during the interview, but at least you gotta give them an interview. Give them an interview. So that's the first thing I'm gonna attack. You know, I got some people waiting on me and I'm not gonna try to take over Atlanta. I'm just gonna be a spark or wanna be a spoke in the wheel that's turned against injustice and racism. By the time they gonna find, I've been on the biggest radio station down and they gonna find out, I got a record with Kool Jo and Gully Ma, they gonna find out about my book but I don't wanna go down like that, down there like that because then I'm standing in line with the rest of the people pursuing Starter. I'm going down as a community activist to help my people. Yeah, yeah. When they realize I'm real about what I'm doing, they gonna support me. I already got my assistants. We call them every black businesses that register and ask them, are you willing to hire ex-offenders? I got seven right now, seven people. So I'm gonna meet them, soon as I get down there, then I'm gonna stand in front of the parole and probation office. Anybody come out. Hey man, what's happening, bro? I'm Fleetwood. You got a job? Oh, I got somebody. Go over here to Miss Bedd's Restaurant. All right, man. Fleetwood sent you, bro. I got you. You feel me? If you need any kind of transportation tokens or something to work, soon as you get the job, you call me. Feel me? So that's my M.O. That's how I get down. That's what I do. Yeah. So are you doing that in every city or are you a student? We have seven states right now but I'm starting in Atlanta and then when I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go up to Virginia and come all the way back to Texas. Because you're going around to these places and doing that. And when you go to these places, you need to probably try to find people who have like-mind passion like you. Definitely. So you can create that in that city. So even when you move on, you have that still sitting there in that city, helping people. Because there are people in each city who would love to do what you're doing but don't know how to. Right. You know what I mean? So if you can find those people and say, okay, this is what we're gonna do. Come with me. Let's do this. Let's do that. You know what I mean? So you don't feel like you're stretched. And that's what, I mean that's what Archivius Armstrong being from North Carolina. And you know you, and like I said, I wanted Charleston to be here tonight because you three guys and myself, we all have similar background. We changed. And we can help. And he's talking about touring and stuff. So God can put together a whole different situation because he knows about, that's his passion. He can call on people like you and Charleston and be able to do stuff to where it's gonna bring the people out. And that's something that we, you know, I thought about, so. No, I was gonna say, and like he said yesterday, you weren't here, but they had a job fair, you know, back there where it was only for convicted felons. There you go. The whole job fair. There you go. And then. Get in Charlotte. Yeah, Charlotte. Charlotte, Carolina. Yeah, Queens City. And I thought that was an awesome, you know, thing to do. And I feel like every city should do that. Just have job fair for that person. Then you know that people who are coming, offering these jobs, they already know what they're expecting and what they were trying to get into. Definitely. Well, you know, that's, that's a M-O and Molder debate. You know, that's what we do. And like when I tell, talk to people, I tell them, first of all, you been in jail, you ain't got no tickets. You know, you ain't got no speeding tickets. You ain't got no DUI, DUI, you been in jail. Get in the transportation industry. Yeah, yeah. Go get the CDLs, get on the road, you're on your own balls. I'll go drive a cab. You have no sex crime, gets, or elderly crime, they gon' hire you. You know, I can drive a cab in the city. I can drive a train in the city. You know what I'm saying? So get, oh, you know, use the fact that you have changed your redemption, your testimony as a way to inspire others, cause people can't go to school for what you don't want to school for. That's so true. The youth ain't gon' expect they stores. Let me ask you this, on film and, you can tell me the first two films. Yes sir. What was the last two? Okay, my fault. So the second, the third film is about co-parenting. Okay. It's called Zephaniah. Okay. And it's about the fact, as a man, you cannot lift your head up and brush your teeth and call yourself a man if you don't respect a woman with a head or a child. If you leave your children, I don't care if she threw grits on you like I agree. She snitched on you or whatever. You cannot leave your children and call yourself a man. That's so true. Because it was that woman and you that brought that child to head unprotected sex. That child didn't put in no application to come in this world. Yeah, yeah. So how you gonna leave your babies and call yourself, I don't care what that woman done did, bro. You got to humble yourself, ask God to take the hatred out of your heart. I had never went through the baby mama drama drama maybe with her baby mama. Man, that is a monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that woman know how to push your buttons. Exactly. But until you can close your mouth and say, sister, you know what, thank you. I pray for you. Until you can do it like that and say, you know what, I'm sorry for hurting you whatever way you feel I hurt you. But I thank you for having my baby. You know, I'm always out of love for you no matter what. Until you can do that and it's genuine, you will not grow as a man. That's so true. I refuse to have that poison. I don't call it, that's the mother of my daughter. I don't even use that term. Baby mama, I'm telling these niggas, don't call me no baby daddy. I'm the father of my child. All right. I'm a father, I ain't no baby daddy. Don't even call me that. Say that for somebody who's neglecting their child. So my third film is called Zephaniah which is my daughter's name. It means God's treasure. It's the 36th Bible. That's a beautiful name. Thank you, sister. It's the 36th book in the Old Testament. Wow. And it actually was a man prophet but I liked the ring of Zephaniah so I said it sounded like a girl. So, you know, I asked her, could I name her that? She said, yeah. So me and her broke up, man. You know, we ain't cut from the same call. You know, I'm 57. She was, when I met, I was 54. She was, I was 53. She was 32. It wasn't an age difference. It was just she had a story like it. But you have custody of the man. No, we don't have custody. We just have an agreement. We just have an agreement, you know, right now. You know, we ain't got some people in our business. That's what, that's how I like that. Yeah, and I just told her, look, you know, she's a aspiring celebrity hairstylist so she's able to get healthcare. I said, that's all you gotta do. Any extracurricular activities. My daughter pursued dancing, karate, you know, piano. I take care of that. I buy all her clothes. You're two days off, she with you. My two days off, she with me. The other three days, she had the babysitter. I mean, you split it in half. So it's been cool. It's been some bumps, ups and downs, still, you know, we still have arguments, but I told her I ain't gonna carry it over to the next day and I ain't gonna call y'all today. That's it. But I might not, I ain't gonna agree with everything you do now neither, feel me? So, but I'm gonna let you know something I don't agree with. I'm gonna try to do it in a respectful manner. And sometime we get to the point, I say, hey man, we don't need to talk right now. Let's just communicate via text. Cause your tone upsets me, my tone might upset you. But you can't, you know, you can text in the capital letters, they say that's hollering. But you know, you know, we text a lot. So anyway, that's what the third movie's about. It's about co-parenting. And it's called Zephaniah, the fourth movie is my second film installment or the Cotton Picker film series and it's called Give Me Minds. My muse, my 40 acres of broken planks of reparation. I got my big sister, she like my big sister and her name is London Breed. She's the mayor of San Francisco, straight from the project, worked her way all the way up. And she stars in and along with the hip hop journalists where we know Davey D. It's just about who made the promise to us? Why was the Civil War so important? How did it affect slavery? What other nationalities have received reparations? And what do we have to do with African-Americans to receive our reparations? Wow. So it's based on that. It just came out three weeks ago, where I received, I haven't did a lot of film screenings due to COVID but ladders wide open, I'm definitely going down there to do a lot of film screenings. I have it in a couple of film festivals. I've been selling it online. I had to reinvent my hustle through Cash App. So that's it. I got a film coming out, Cinco de Mayo, Brown Babies, about Latino children locked in detention centers. Then I got a street film with Devon Do, which actually is my first improv film come out July, August, it's called What the Streets Taught Me. You already done it? So you and Devon worked together? Yeah, I got a hit record with him right now, it's called Focus. He's in Houston. Houston. You was down there doing it? Yeah, I did it in Houston. I shot it in two days. It was the first one I did improv. I got scripts, but my boy JT, the bigger figure, told me quit going on for scripts because a lot of times people can't talk the way they can read. I mean, people read the scripts and try to see it exactly how you wrote it and don't sound natural. Cause he done did 70 films just on improv. So you just do the drag line. You just do whether or not it's outside. A drag line is three elements. At the beginning it's going to say interior or exterior. That means even the scene will happen outside or inside. Then the next thing is going to say where it's going to happen at. Then the third thing is going to say whether it's day or night. And then you just put a sentence up under there what's going to happen in the scene. So he said just do that and let them do it naturally. It's called improv. So that's what we did with Devon Do and also my recorded record with him Focus at the time shot the video. We just got to top it up now. Well, okay. So where do you put these films out on YouTube or how do we get on Amazon? Well right now we're seeking a distribution deal but mostly see just the first fan really, you know, that's a fan. But so mostly my short fans, I just put them in fan festivals to get the credentials. You know, cause fan festivals give you credibility. You get quotes from them. Well, the fan festivals is you can put them on the back of your DVD or you can put it in your news or you can put it in your media kit. So that's really what I've been seeking now with this Devon Do film. We all go seek some type of distribution. Donald Trump just part of my big brother, the Godfather of Black Entertainment. So we finna have our own B.T. probably like 90 days, you know. Who was that? Michael Harry O'Harris. We started Death Row Records. We shut Death Row down. We started Denzel Washington, Kareel St. Halle Berry, the acting school Blair Underwood. We all all battle cat publisher. Top dog who's Kendrick Lamar signed to. That's the little cousin. That's why you never hear nothing about him cause Mike Benazir, you know what I'm saying? Jimmy Irving and Mike X lawyer, David Kenner been the one going to the parole board to keep my big brother locked up for these 32 years because my brother is a corporate mastermind from the projects. He produced the first black pay on Broadway called Checkmate with starter youngster named Denzel Washington. And then, you know, somebody did something to the family and took them back to the streets. You know what I'm saying? And my brother been going a long time, but he home now. I got a song called He Home Now. He home now. And I just was with him about a month ago in LA with that little Murray Park. He happy, he strong, he spiritual, you know. And, you know, he just said, little brother, I'm proud of you've been doing good. All I hear is good. I just keep doing that. Like, I ain't home, I'm gonna meet you halfway. So I text him every morning. I talk to him once or twice a week. I try not to bother him, but either Godfather, they can Google them. They know who Mike is. Harry O. They know who he is. Actually, Lydia got a, his former ex-wife has a restaurant in Sugarland. She stuck with him a long time. And then, you know, they got the hundred million and things went away. But, you know, that's who behind everything I do. He dream like, I don't do, I don't release nothing till he hear it. Nothing. Just out of respect. Out of respect. It goes a long ways. Yeah. So that's what's gonna happen with the films. They gonna go through his channel or they gonna tell me where to push it. You know, I'm just stacking content right now. My final project gonna be a short film I'm doing about my daughter. It's called Boobly Woobly, My Princess. Come out on Thanksgiving. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I got a lot of footage of her. So when I get to Atlanta, you know, my first thing is gonna be able to market the dudes. Marking this Latino film on Brown Babies. I'm gonna market it from Texas all the way to Cali. You know, with the people that's fighting against ICE. And that's, I'm doing it for two reasons. I love Mexican people. Second reason, you know, it's wrong what they doing. I don't feel it though, it's right. How you gonna tell people they can't come to San Antonio, Dallas, New Albuquerque, Phoenix, and LA when all them damn cities got Spanish names. There was Mexico. So what the hell they talking about? No, no, you right. So that's, you know, that's my next one coming up. And then we got, what the streets taught me with Devon to do. And then Thanksgiving we got Boobly Woobly. My prince is there for now. Man, you know, you know, you're driving jewels on us, man. And everything you've told us is I did not suspect. I was like, wow, you know, I was called for this interview. And I was like, man, I need to know this guy, man. And it ain't nothing but God. That's all, bro. It's nothing but God. And that's all it need to be. You do everything by faith and you're strong. And you walk by faith, not by sight anyway. True story. So these are the things that you do and you just, and you, and I love heart. So as soon as you call me and I read what I tell you, I'm like, I'm getting him. I'm being, you know, cause it's love, bro. Like cotton pickers, I got a heritage dude, man. You know what I'm saying? And I got it serious about it. I started calling Brian. He started calling me asking, could you be on here? I started calling real fiercely. If you go in your DM, you're going to see, I started hitting you up. Like I need this guy on here, man. And I know God is in the middle of it, man. I know it. It was real 20 years ago, bro. I was going to be on Boss Talk, man. He was just waiting for me to get ready to come. Man, I just, I appreciate you for coming, man. You've been a blessing to us tonight, man. Our platform, like I said, all I wish is, if it's anything I can help with, if it's clothes, I own clothing stores. If it's anything you see a convicted felon or somebody get out of jail, they need something. You call E, say, hey, E, I need a couple of outfits, man. I'm sending them your way. All you got to do is say the words. Same thing goes for you too, RQ. Don't leave me out of it. Let me bless somebody, too. You know what I mean? That's, that's, go ahead. No, I'm sorry, do it. No, no, no. I just say, man, just let me be a part of what you guys are doing. And if you need me to come speak, I'm there. Well, what I would love to do is, you know, as I open up here in Texas, I got product, bro. You know what I'm saying? Let's put together a small- Yeah, whatever you need. Let's put together a situation where we do a film screening. Yeah. We do a book signing. Yeah. And then we do, you know, go talk to some youth. And then we do a conscious after party. And we'll donate half the proceeds to Boss Talk. Man, and you know, that's the same thing. I don't need a venue. Hey, that's, that's what's up. Do you the same way you? Y'all, y'all doing the same type thing, man. And it's crazy to me. That's why I want to come together at some point. God gonna put it together where Boss Talk gonna bring real bosses together. We gonna come back. We gonna celebrate and help some people together. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about the guys who have like passions. It's crazy to me, man. God has been sending them to us. They've been coming. And ain't no coincidence. It's not. And that's crazy because it's the thing that I pray for. You know that. It's what I always ask for and it's happening. I thank God for it, bro. Brothers like you, stand up, brothers. Brothers like Archivius, man. You guys, man. Y'all made my weekend. It's one of the best weekends I had a long time, man. You know what I realize about life? The funny thing is that we pray for things. And I always tell people to pray specifically. But a lot of people get opportunities in life and don't realize how to use it, how to utilize or realize that it's God who's sending the opportunities to you. We're realizing just like how when you say, you know your purpose, you know exactly what you need to do. You know, you know what? Because God is who gave this to you. And it's safe for Archivius. But then you have so many people out here who God is giving them opportunities, opening their eyes, but they're not receiving it. They don't realize that it's God who's doing this and that they have a purpose in this world to touch people. People don't always get it. You know what I mean? But I love the fact that we all right here are on that same page and we're getting it. Thank you. Still sharp and still and one thing I learned, you know I can't say about all these niggas where I can pray for all of them. That's true. I ain't no lifeguard. No man, not at all. And you know confused people confuse you if you listen to them. The difference of one fool and two fools when you argue with one, you know. I quit trying to debate with people. And one thing they debated about and love to debate about is religion. God sent different messages down at different periods of time. No way a Chinese man can understand Christian. You don't even speak English. Well the thing is I always say, worst of God where you stand, you know, and have open mind for knowledge, you know. And God's gonna get to you what's for you. I know that because he's big enough for the job. And when you start trying to get into heresies and trying to figure out ways to debate something that you don't truly understand, that you don't have all the understanding of, then you put yourself in a corner, you know. I believe in Christ, I'm a Christian. That's what I am. But at the end of the day, I make myself approachable to anyone who believes anyway. Because at the end of the day, I read the Quran. I read, I've been studied Buddhism, studied Hinduism, studied Nahuatlism. See, I'm the one, I studied the Jehovah Witnesses. And every time I studied, I got closer to Christ to be honest with you. And that was my way that God touched me. So at the end of the day, I never put say, hey, you this or you that. I make myself very approachable. I love everybody. That's what we're here for. We're gonna love them. And we're gonna love them until we get to where we need to be. Period. And that's how you help people. Man, hey man, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. Say, man, and anytime you in Dallas, Texas, man, you know you gotta come back to Boss Talk 101, baby. Hey, look, I'm gonna come. I'm trying to block the number. I got the app on my phone. I'll call you from another number. Hey, man, you can call me anytime, man. Hey, man, you always welcome here. Hey, man, like I said, man, there's so many gyms you dropped here tonight. That wasn't me. No, no, no, it changed my life right here. Just some of the things that you told me because you don't know. We're trying to know. Everybody try to know what they gonna, the interview gonna be like. You don't know. And I'm sitting here just saying, you know what God showed me. We always say that. Well, sometimes we plan and we write down questions. You still have to do your research on whoever's coming on. But a lot of times we just wait for God to give us the questions and know how it's gonna go. Before you go, I'm gonna ask you one more question. Please do. Oh, the top three. Here we go. Please do. I need to know what is your top three artist of all time that are a lot, any genre. I'm gonna break them in. And I need to get a picture. I'm trying to get on the wall. You put me on the bottom of the wall. Oh, man, I got you, baby. I got you, man. You've been on Boss Talk. Them guys, that was my old, you know, to be honest with you. That's what I used to do when I was going out. That's all about the clothes. This is a clothing store. So all of my store, I don't open up seven stores. And so I would do that because I wanted people to see the legitimacy of the clothes. But now it's about Boss Talk 101, baby. And they don't tell them what this wall about to be like. You ain't, the wall gonna be different. The wall, this wall about to be powerful, man. You know what I'm saying? That wall was done. So I get it. But this wall here that we create now because you've had everybody on this platform, man. Arkevia Armstrong, Mike Jones, Sir Charles Jones, Fleetwood, you know what I'm talking about? It's going down, baby. Yeah, yeah. And that boy Charleston J. White, you know what I'm saying? We're building another whole wall. That's love, baby. That's love. So we need to know you're a top three artist of all time that are alive. Yeah, yeah. Shade. Shade. Shade. She was a bad, bad. I didn't know it was light skinned women in Africa. I swear I didn't. When I was in love with Shade, I said, man, this woman can sing and she is fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she originally from Africa. She's from Africa, I think. She's from Africa and grew up in London, I think. OK. Yeah. Who's your number two? Number two is O'Shea Jackson. O'Shea Jackson. And then the third one would have to be Tars Shaw. He taught me how to rap. Tars Shaw, too short. Too short. Oh, that's his real name. So you and y'all really, really, really. That's my partner. Man, I got to get him on the show. I just talked to Banks. I'm not going to play with y'all, man. No, I just talked to. Don't do this, man. Yeah, and Banks, and Banks staying on the shows. I just talked to him, and Banks. He's supposed to be doing the score for what the streets taught me for the devil thing. I just talked to him when it was, two days ago. Really? There's a lot of people in Oakland from living in Arizona. Hey, man, I'm locked in. You know, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to get him on the show. Call me. You know who I'm trying to get? Who? Real for real. DJ Quik. Oh, that ain't nothing. Now, I need that cat, man. I mean, the thing is, I don't know about traveling, but phone interviews, I get to live with the phone in virtual. We do virtual. Yeah, I need to get with these cats, man. I got to say, I put in too much work, and I ain't never gave up. They respect my grind. I've been this thing too long, man. You and my boy, Young Bleed, you say you and him. That's my partner. We did it in virtual. Yeah, we did it in virtual with him. But I talk with him daily too. That's my partner too. Yeah, Bleed, that's my boy. I didn't do it, man. That's what I flew with in the country. I'm going to ask you, man. He called me all the day. Because I called him about you. And then when he called me, we was on the interviews all day, so I couldn't answer. But he called me, he called me back to back. I was like, dang, I wish I could answer, but I can't, you know. But yeah, I was going to ask him about you. I sure was. Because it was a dude named Wicked Cricket. He was a real person down in Houston, and he brought me down. He was my only manager ever here. He brought me down into Houston. He had some type of stomach problem. OK. This was about five, about five years ago. And he, you know, connected me with Sean Tray, which was managing Bleed, Young Bleed, K-Reno. That's when I started marketing and promoting for Pimp See Sun Group, the UNGQ. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when I met Zone 24, my cousin, Buddha Ali, over here. You know what I'm saying? Man. Just the whole Houston, you know. Yeah. I had some young boys over here. Trilly, Trilly Polk, then, he from over there. Yeah. He was just on the show, man. Shout out to Trilly Polk, Bee Banks. Them boys out of Houston came down for the show. Yeah. Like I said, everybody coming through, man. And it's just a blessing to be able to touch my brothers, man, real talk. So, hey, man, we appreciate you. What are you about to say, Sean? Just excuse me, man. Yeah. Like I said, these films, these books, so this COVID thing, man, get at me. Yeah, I'm going to cover a tour. Let's put together some screenings, get some money. I don't know, just get me down here. Give me a little Motel 6. I got you. We're doing a half the money. I got you. One-on-one. You feel me? Just how I get money. I show my film. Then I do a Q&A. Then I go somewhere else and sign my books. I do a workshop, learn how to write a book. You know what I'm saying? Then I go to visit some type of youth center or something. Then that night, we have a conscious after party. Wow. So that's the, I have a movement. I just don't have a record. So that's how we can go to, we can hit 10 cities up. You just got to set it up. I got you. So that's what we can do. You got you. I just want to tell everybody out there, man. If you listen, man, follow me on Instagram, FleetwoodSL, man. Hit me on the Facebook, Robert Bowden, man. The Twitter is Fleetwood189, and please, man, whatever you do, stay close to God and what you want won't be far from you. I guarantee you, man, Pee Pee, praise and praise God every day. Pray and praise God every day. Call him what you want to call him, but call him, man. And you're going to be all right. Man. Love y'all, man. Love you, brother. Thank you for coming on the show, man. What's up? Boss Talk 101. What's up? And we out.