 When I've been joined by a security expert and social commentator, Kwanum Terence. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. Alright, one of the news of bringing the toll gates back by the federal government dropped, different reactions from across the country. Can you share your own reaction with us? I think the federal government is losing track of what they are supposed to do for migrants at the moment because this is the country that has been involved by a lot of insecurity and challenges and everybody has been in progress and now you're trying to bring the toll and begin to tax them. That's why it can go easy. One thing we have done was look at the infrastructure that has been damaged through these insecurity issues because this will go to places like the North East where tax has been used on the road infrastructure and they are completely destroyed. We have been looking at bringing private sector participation into a building and infrastructure because as it stands at the moment, government is positively overwhelmed in the view of our infrastructure going forward. So I think the framework should have been how the private sector will have come and be able to develop our infrastructure and then harness back their investment. We are aware of certain roles in this country already that they have already considered to be Chinese government investors who are within the country already developing them and they have developed ways in which they are going to recover their money and also subscribe to the federal government finding ways of trying to begin to bring back huge taxes on Nigeria because even if we look at our road connections, most of our roads within 200 kilometres we must connect into another road that we use to pay the toll and that is going to be huge on a lot of migrant citizens that are going to be using these roads. I am talking about roads. Which roads is the federal government giving to roads because almost all of our roads in this country are totally in bad shape. They are completely damaged and we are losing Nigerians on a daily basis. So I don't think that road map is giving any hope for the Nigerians. Is the federal government in the hands of Nigerians on this call? Okay, let's now talk about the timing for this policy. Some have mentioned that we are yet to recover from COVID-19 and the economic challenges of that. So do you also think that this might be the wrong time to speak about things like this? Even if the minister has said that it wouldn't start until these roads are motorable? From the way they are even doing these roads, I don't think these roads will be motorable within their channel. And from the way I started, I told you that they are losing track of what actually they are supposed to do to Nigerians at the moment because this is a country that has been ravaged by insecurity and then with the pandemic that is still in great within the country. I think the right timing is completely wrong and I think they actually don't know what to do at the moment to please Nigerians with a complete schedule of this government in building infrastructure for all because they will use eight years to build no road at all because there is no road that has been completed by this government anywhere that I am aware of. Alright, and I also want us to talk about the public-private partnership idea, which you already mentioned. Do you see this as a huge step into completely pushing a lot of the infrastructure that needs work into PPP agreements? By completely subscribing to the federal government, going into private-private partnership in building our entire infrastructure, not just roads, that also has to do with our railway, that also has to do with the more important industries that are scattered all over this country because only through that that we can be able to truly believe in the kind of great engineering process that we need to bring back into this country because at the moment our government is completely overwhelmed at giving if they are borrowing to even pay the workers that are on their payroll so I don't see where the government is borrowing to pay workers on their payroll who is building infrastructure, so I subscribe completely to the public-private partnership and if this public-private partnership, if they are willing to develop this infrastructure obviously we are discussing the issues of toll, it is understandable because we know that they are willing to recover their money and after that those tolls will go away and they will be free to enjoy this infrastructure. Alright, final question, like you mentioned, this doesn't seem likely to kick off in the tenure of the current administration. Is there a possibility that by the time this government is leaving power or leaving office this agreement may be pushed aside? Yeah, I think the government that directs it and focuses on this kind of agreement this kind of business bodies, a rush kind of policies aside because it's not really something to look into because we are a country that needs to completely be overhauled both we have seen in the last eight years I think a government that will come and has a very good focus and plus will not be able to go into this kind of thing we need a better roadmap to be able to revamp our infrastructure and I think we are going to critically look into the people and the parties that can be able to do that for us in time to come because this government, this party and this government has completely discredited us in that regard. Right, obviously a lot of work needs to be done and we hope that we can speak with you again as time passes Thank you very much Kwanum Terence for joining us.