 Alright, hello everyone. Welcome to this June 29 2022 special meeting of the Amherst Massachusetts Conservation Commission. See who we have present we only have two items on the agenda tonight. One is to move forward on an enforcement order at zero document lane and the second is a brief conversation of our conservation land use policy which kind of gets at the mission statement of the conservation commission, something that we've been tabling for months that it would be good to take a next step forward on. So unless I don't have any other updates that we can talk about now, and is there anything else that you wanted to bring up before we jump into the hearing. Okay, no ma'am. All right. So with that, I don't think I have to so it's an enforcement order I don't have to open anything. I see that Dan Lewis is here. So, I should bring him in, I'm assuming Aaron, and let us get get him, let him give us update. Yeah, it's completely at your discretion. If you want to talk about it first if you want to bring him in first. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I would say should definitely allow some time for, you know, for him to speak if he'd like to. Okay, well then maybe I'll just set the groundwork by saying that I think that the enforce the proposed restoration plan is sufficient and good faith effort has been made to kind of meet our original requirements under the enforcement order. Commissioners, have you had a chance to take a look or do we need Aaron to share it and walk us through it. Are you. Go ahead. Oh, sir. No, I'm looking at everyone. Okay. Does anyone have any specific questions would it be helpful to screen share and take a look at any documentation. I have one brief question. And that's for Aaron. How many trees were removed in the beginning. And that was Michelle and I spoke earlier and that was the one sort of question that I felt like remained unanswered. But I will say, say that say this and obviously, you know, I think Dan should should address it as well but in my experience that you don't want to over plant so let's say 30 trees were removed. I would like to replace 12. I'm just, I'm pulling a number out of the sky I don't know exactly how many trees were removed but just based on the area that was cleared. I think that the number of trees that they've proposed seems reasonable, and I wouldn't want to over plant to the point where the trees are killing each other trying to grow. Okay. If anyone else any other questions or concerns. I do think that this looks like it meets our original requirements and will be a sufficient and market improvement over the existing site. So I'm really looking at it right now and I don't see any concerns. So if anybody has any quite specific questions or concerns I'm just sorry I'm going to give Dan a chance to address the commission and ask any questions and then we can move forward I think a couple of conditions that we wanted to have were we're going to be doing Aaron, let me double check. Setting a date when the restoration work should be completed and require an expect inspection by the welds administrator once the work has been completed. I think we should get Dan on to see what his prediction is for the timing of this work so we can set a reasonable kind of target date. And I think there was in the, and I can just do a quick screen share to look at it but I think in the narrative, it did state a potential date for the planting. Okay. June 30, no later than June 30. September 31 was the planting date. But there was other other benchmarks as well for installing the stakes at the 100 foot buffer line. Yeah. And then planting the seed mix on July 15 by July 15 and then the tree planting September 31, which for the tree planting seems reasonable I just had this conversation earlier today because especially with conditions being what they are for rain. Yeah. Dead of summer is not the time to be planting trees. Right. So then the date by Michelle I see her hand sorry if that's not for a second. The day by which we would ask this to be complete is September 31 then. Yeah, that's what they're offering I was, I think that the commission should when they make a motion to approve this just state in addition to, you know, the narrative and the plan that have been submitted that, you know, just to punctuate those dates, so that it's clear, and then have an inspection after the fact. Okay. Okay. Michelle. I have a question comment. I was just wondering if, so we have a re year 50% success rate criteria. So just as somebody that's watering perennials right now. Does it, does it apply to everything or just the trees so so like the grass seed mix. It's the same thing across the board is a success rate. Okay. Just clarifying. Yeah, that's how I read it, Aaron. Yeah, and I, I think that if you guys wanted to punctuate that as well in in a motion that that would be fine like just to state that the commission expects that over a three year period that at least 50% of the trees and ground cover is successful. And certainly would be helpful to to water it or Yeah. I would say to water so you know, to water and maybe they're have construction or water on site to be able to do that. I'm not going to tell them your other responsible process. Having a hard time hearing you, Larry, I'm getting feedback about that. I'll go back and show you some problems with that recently. Anyway, can you hear me now. Static. Sort of maybe just go for it. Yeah. All right, is that is learner consulting responsible for the whole project hearing it through fruition. Well it would be the owner. I, and, you know, Oh, you're talking about like overseeing the plantings and stuff like that Larry. Well let's why don't we check with, why don't we check in on that question and, you know, give him a chance to talk. Yeah. And if you're listening, I'm going to promote you to. Larry should mute yourself too. I don't think I'm. Oh, sorry about that. Gotcha. Should be set now. Are you there Dan. He's muted. Dan you're muted and we also can't see you. I don't know if you want to contribute at all. Oh, there we are. Gotcha. Hello. Hi, hi there. Thanks for making time for this. No worries. Thank you. Have you been following our discussion? Just sitting here in the dark. Okay, okay. Awesome. So I think we're thrilled with the effort on the restoration plan. It needs all of our requirements and we really appreciate that. We had a couple of clarifying questions. I think we've sorted that out. And just start going to make it very clear, make some things very clear and emotion, but nothing in conflict with what the restoration plan says. Okay. Are you guys going to, is your team going to oversee the restoration planting and kind of watering and care? Or do you think you'll hire a like contractor to do that? And we're just wondering, so Aaron knows who to coordinate with. Yeah, we'll oversee it until the home is turned over to the, the homeowner and then oversee it from there. Okay. Okay. So that answers your question, Larry. Yeah. And Dan, I think. The motion, I think we'll just clarify. September 31, 2022. Deadline for the restoration plan to be complete. And then ask that upon completion, you notify Aaron so she can do an inspection on the site. Okay, great. And then Michelle is just clarifying that 50% survival over three years applies to kind of everything. I think that won't be a problem with grass, but just make sure that that we're on the same page on that. Yep. Okay. Great. Is there anything else you wanted to ask us or any other questions? No, I mean, as far as the building permanent itself, that shouldn't hinder anything with this meeting at all, right? Okay. Okay. So I guess commissioners were looking for a motion. To what is it? We got to approve the restoration plan and kind of close the enforcement order, Aaron. Is that. Yes. So the motion would be, and I'll sort of read this back to approve the restoration plan for zero Tuckerman lane submitted by learner construction on June 6th, 2022, as well as the associated plan that was submitted with that restoration plan. And as conditions, the full planting plan would be completed by September 31st, 2022, an inspection to notify the wetlands administrator for an inspection upon completion and an expectation of 50% survival over a three year period of the plantings and ground cover on the site. In the clearing area. So we have to make that motion. What about the enforcement order? We have to quote this as separate. So should you approve the restoration, then that would basically. That's it anyway. What that means. What that means is that essentially you're there, they're in compliance as far as the submission of the restoration plan. They just need to, they need to. Complete the action items basically to. But considering all of this, the site is in compliance currently and coming into compliance so that the enforcement order can be closed out at the end of, at the end of the process. Okay. Great. Exactly. I'll make a motion to accept the restoration plan from learner consulting that we will. Have the plantings in by September to say 21st, 31st, 31st, 31st, 2022 with the expectation that have the plantings to survive for three years. And that the wetlands administrator will be notified upon completion of the plantings. I second. I can't do that. I know I can't. I'm just saying. All right. So we got Fletcher on the motion, Michelle, the second voice vote, Michelle. Larry. Andre. Hi. Fletcher. Hi. And I'm an eye. Thank you, Dan. As a matter of interest, I saw a bear about an hour ago. Crossing Henry street and going right over the tracks toward that property. Wow. A young, young dispersing bear. They're everywhere. They are. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Dan. Have a good night. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. And then. Oh, Michelle. Can I just ask like a procedural or. Remind me question. When if the house sells quickly, which it probably will, the homeowners will then be responsible for this three year success rate. How does that get conveyed to them like legally and communicatively? That's a great question. I'll probably end up having to reach out to them. That's generally like in a situation like this. Usually like if there's an order of conditions or an enforcement order has been recorded on a deed that would trigger them to be notified. In this case, obviously I don't, I don't think that extent is necessary. You know, we'll see the house being constructed. We'll see the house going up for sale. And yeah. So I'll, I'll just sort of monitor the situation and reach out to them. After the sale and just let them know that that. That area is being restored and make them aware of the situation. I mean, it's also, it would, it would be great if the builder could make them aware of it, but you know, I'll make them aware if they're not. Okay. I have seen houses that are. In construction up for sale. So I just didn't know like how. The, the real estate transaction would convey this condition. Along with it. Just, I don't know, I just want to put that out there because it's a hot housing market. So things can happen quickly and I'm not, you know, sure that the seller will necessarily convey the information himself. So just interested to know how that's going to happen. Yeah. I mean, generally like I had sort of have a list of. Enforcement follow up cases on my list that I'll sort of make the rounds on and follow up with and check in with the owners on. So I'll just follow up with them and, and let them know. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Sorry, Larry. Can you say that again? Does he have a building permit yet? Not to my knowledge. That's not our. Not our zone. I don't know. Oh, did we just lose watcher? Looks like it. All right. I think you just asked for a minute. Yeah, I don't think you liked Larry's question. I think he's signal. He just needed to step out for a second. Okay. All right. Well, let's, we can catch watcher up, but let's keep this show moving along. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You do have to wait, Aaron. No. No, it's not a, it's not a hearing. This is pretty informal. Okay. Just double checking. Yeah. So contribution land use policy. Yes. Yep. And if it was a hearing, we would like if it was a. A legal ad and a butter is notified and whatnot. But this is, this was just sort of a. An informal discussion scheduled. So I'm just going to put it on my screen. So there's, there's two, two documents. And this is, so this is considered as to be sort of a, a first glimpse. Now I've. I'm exiting full screen. So I can't see any of you right now, but just for the sake of me. What's up. Somebody say something. Can you guys see this? You can see it. Okay. Okay. Sorry. You guys, sorry, you guys are all muted. I can't see your faces. Okay. Yeah. We can see it. Beautiful. Okay. Sorry. I just want to make sure. Okay. So just to give you a sense, just really quick. A snapshot of what happened here. Earlier this year, we became aware that. So you guys are all aware about our land use application process. And it's not just a land use application. Generally speaking, it's for like an event or a series of events that occur. And, but there are occasions where somebody like submits a land use application to use a piece of property for a given purpose. And in this case. An applicant had submitted back in 2017 long before I started an application to use Amethyst Brooke for a. Program with children to like do like nature education. And so, I was working with the kids for about a week. And was functioning fine. And then over COVID. The COVID period when schools were out of session and parents were, you know, needing things to keep their kids outside and active. The program became more active, shall we say, became more of a daily program and all day program. And we're still working with this individual because they're trying to get all of their necessary licenses and permitting through the town to continue to operate. We had internal discussions and decided we really need to have like a more cohesive, holistic land use policy for all of the. Conservation land to incorporate the purpose that how the conservation commission kind of generally sees conservation land and how it manages conservation land, just like regular regulations in terms of like what's allowed, what's not allowed. Information, you know, and this is evolved to include a lot more than originally expected. Like I had hoped that this would be a one or two page document when this started. And as it evolved, we started to realize, oh, wait a second, we've got agricultural restrictions and we've got encroachment issues and we've got liability issues. We've got, you know, agricultural licenses and we may want to do forest management in the future and we have community gardens now and we have land use applications. We should roll that in and just general licensing. We should roll that in as well. So. You can see that as you start to unpeel the onion layers reveal themselves and it becomes necessary to make it more comprehensive. So that's that's basically what this document. We're still editing it. We're still modifying it. We're still making changes. We want to finalize this. We want to get this, get you guys eyes on it, get your feedback on it, get comments on it. Especially now that we've wrapped up the bylaw regulations. This is going to come to the forefront. I know we already took a stab at the mission statement and we can come back to that. If you want to, but I will just sort of roll through this and give you guys a little more depth on it. So mission statement. Conservation land regulations. The idea of this being. The original purpose of conservation, a conservation commission being created in Massachusetts was for. The management of conservation lands prior to the inception of the wetlands protection act in like the early seventies. The conservation commission act came into effect. And that was basically. For conservation commissions to be able to manage land. So we thought it was important to include that. And what the purpose of that. Legislation was for everybody to understand, for you guys to understand, for the public to understand. And then rules and regulations. And you, and you may have seen these. And again, these are still sort of in flux. And, and this version that we're looking at may be very different from versions you've seen before. We've tried to really stretch that. We've tried to really stretch that. And so it's been very different from versions you've seen before. We've tried to really streamline these to. Modernize them to update them. And there are more changes that need to be made here. But previously it was like no loud radios allowed on the trail. If you're listening to your walk, man, keep the volume low. You know, it's like all these things that it was, it was kind of funny. It was like, you know, it dated them kind of. You know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, you can remove those elements. There's, there's a lot of things that we get a lot. And there's a lot of information on the town website that I've been trying to remove and update. But like, for example, we used to allow camping on conservation land, but then we started having problems with people. Sort of setting up tents and living in the woods and, or having, you know, fires in the woods and cooking and trash and all this kind of stuff. And so we were able to do that. And now we don't allow camping. We don't allow fires. Yeah. So, and those are just a couple of examples. But I'll keep rolling through here. Cause I don't want to. For you guys with too much backstory on this. In addition to saying like what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's not allowed, what's allowed, what is allowed as well. And this is, you know, I think an important thing for people to understand what they can do, what's allowed on the property. Removal of material like firewood. Metal detectors. Another thing, and Michelle had mentioned this to me, which I don't have in here right now, but use of drones. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. But I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. I don't know if you can see it. You know, and again, if there's like a conservation restriction that. Has for ground nesting birds, like at the, at the. Sorry, I'm drawing a blank on the, the old landfill. There's a conservation restriction to protect birds. Are we going to allow somebody to go up there and fly a drone around, you know, like, so like a lot of. You know, you know, you know, you know what we might want to incorporate that or other things. Conservation restrictions. I don't know if the conservation commission is even aware of this, but you guys hold conservation restrictions on many properties in the town. And it's our responsibility to monitor those properties. That is a very interesting component because it's not really, I mean, when you think about my bandwidth, how much can I really do? I mean, I think we're going to be at some conservation for some areas where we hold conservation restrictions. Very soon. So we're trying to roll this more. Roll my responsibilities more into this wherever I'm able to. We also want to, I mean, this was a section. It occurred to me. Oh, we also hold agricultural restrictions on several properties. And again, those are. We also hold a conservation restriction. We also hold a conservation restriction. We hold a conservation restriction in the town's care. And so we are going to add some verbiage about that. Encroachments. Obviously you guys are aware that we have several places in town where. Private land. A but conservation land or may a but land where we hold a conservation restriction. And there may be encroachments by. Private landowners say extending their. Land ownership. And we also hold a conservation restriction in the town's care. And we also hold a conservation restriction in the town's care. So we're from their property to conservation areas. So we wanted to address that. Address liability issue. If somebody's injured on conservation land. Big section on agriculture because we. You know, agriculture is a big part of Amherst history. And we want to, in whatever way we can, we want to address that. We want to address that. Where appropriate have ag license agreements. And or community gardens. So. This is pulled in this ag license policy or ag use policy is pulled in from our directly from our license into this document so that it can be. Known about by people and more specifically. All of these fine points, live stock. We encourage people to use these things. We have a lot of loud cover crops, length of licenses, etc. Who can have, who can hold a license in town? Signage fees. Liability insurance, all of these very, very important things. Use of pesticides. Terms of use. gets an ag license and they say, hey, my pal Joe wants to come over and you know put something else in here too and subcontracting out to other people. We saw like all these things that have come out in the wash very similar to looking at our our bylaw regulations. It's like things come out in the wash as we have permits come through and where's there a problem and so these are things that we've identified that need to be incorporated. Forest management was an element I put in there because in other towns I've worked for we've done forest management and that might not be something that we ever do as far as having a forest cutting plan or even a forest stewardship plan but that is a potential option in the future if the commission wants to do selective cutting or do some wildlife habitat management and do some cutting in one of our lands that we manage. Community gardens, a lot of this came from Stephanie Ciccarello who manages community gardens in town. The intent of having community gardens, there's obviously community garden rules and regulations and also the community garden circle that has recently been established is also establishing guidelines for organic gardening as well which we want to roll into this policy. So again we're it's it's still evolving and we're still trying to get all these pieces compiled together but as you can see we're already on page seven like this is how it's all sort of just been we've been building it and building it and that's why it's been taking so long. Incorporating information about native plantings and you know native plantings on conservation areas, land use applications, getting and I think this was a really important this section license section and lease sections are very important sections but particularly considering our recent situation with land use application at Amethyst for us to really define what is the purpose of a land use application versus a license. So if somebody is doing something that is a more an event or you know maybe a series of events it might be appropriate to do a land use application whereas if they're actually using the property for an extended period of time like a year or more then a license would be more appropriate if they're holding classes there or you know regular regular events for a long period of time not reoccurring year to year would be the purpose of the land use application but recurring year to year would fall into a license category and then of course a link to our land use application which is now online fully. I can't see if any members of the public are here Jen so I don't know like if anybody raises their hand or anything like that. There's nobody here. Oh okay. Okay. Again for general licenses we still have some stop some work to do here like just to give an example the situation that we ran into with help yourself who they're the folks working at Amethyst you know as we've as that situation has evolved it's become really important that we incorporate information about for example if you get a permit from the conservation commission you still have to go through other boards and committees in town for your whatever you're doing to be legal so like if you are having group gatherings out there every day from nine to five you should have a porta potty so that people have access to you know bathroom facilities things like that. So there's still you know little details that we need to incorporate here to make sure that those that information is conveyed to people. It's been a long time since I've looked at this. It's been like since mid-February since I've looked at this because we've been so crazy with the regulations but I had no idea all this was in here so this is helpful. Yeah yeah I hope so. Yeah the only thing I saw in the SharePoint was just a mission statement. Oh really? Well I'm so can you see this now that you go in there or is it not there? I don't know I switched computers because my leg pooped out. I don't think this whole thing is in there. Oh really? Yeah I don't think so at least it won't I see like a file but it looks truncated. Okay let me just it could be oh no no no no Erin it is. It is there. It was my fault yeah. Oh okay. Okay so so that's that's that's a lot. That was a lot like 20 you know a lot of me going over it and I don't want to get you guys to the point of like a glazing over on it right now. I know we've had a very intense week. We also we have our mission statement which we started and we we started to wordsmith it. I don't know if we want to look at that a little bit more while we have say 20 more minutes to our meeting tonight or if you guys just want to like take this as a general intro you're welcome to if you'd like I can email it to you. You could comment mark up and send back to me so that I can start incorporating folks ideas and feedback into this document. I think I'm in a vote. Sorry is that you Andre? It was I I've got a question about about this. I noticed that the mission statement that is on the document that you had before is different. Is that the old one and now this is the what you're showing us is the working their work in progress? Yes yep so that was just a placeholder that I put in the land use policy document just to get the juices flowing and we did I think it was prior it was probably in like February sometime I did bring this to the commission to talk about but then we got ramped up on several other things so it sort of fell to the side but yeah we'd like to revisit it and continue to make this fit what the commission sees as their mission relative to conservation land and then once it's finalized I'll pull it into the other document so that it's there. Okay yeah I have a couple of additions that I put in it but this may not be the right time to talk about it. So I was gonna say just between the week we've already had and just reading their room and also like my own level of ability to give productive feedback right now I would vote that we if you can email out both documents and we do markups and get them back to you and maybe we set a deadline like a reasonable feasible deadline for us to do that Erin that would be also like not you know feasible and reasonable on your end but commissioners does anyone is there anything that pops to mind I got a thumbs up from Fletcher good Larry seems good with that you okay with that plan Michelle sorry can't see everyone at once um I've already done some markups on just the mission statement um just like full disclosure I'm a total nerd about this stuff because I've been like 15 years in land use management and all this so I'm gonna have things to say and also like I've been through litigation and defense and enforcement and everything so um and Amherst is my town so there's a lot going on for me and I have the thought to think about and like digest but I have just one question for the commission for the the mission statement and what I think is so important about the mission statement is that when we like evaluate a land use application I often like lean on well what is the mission what's our mission and like what are we one question I have is like are these um in order of importance or are they just listed horizontally so is is one more than five or or are these five missions that we hold um in equal importance so that's one question I have and then the second question I have is if one is the most important it it combines two things which is I just want to point this out while people think about it to protect and conserve land and water resources and enjoyment of community so that's like a dual purpose number one mission and those things can often come in conflict so if we decide that this is like a hierarchical statement one through five one puts us in conflict and if it's not hierarchical one is like a beautiful opening mission sentence but I just want to point out that they can sometimes gain conflict and it seems like a really simple one paragraph thing but if we're like in a hard decision and we are like what is the mission I'm just gonna we're gonna state our mission we need something that can like guide us to some clarity so I'm just gonna throw that out there for everybody as you're considering it yeah Michelle yeah so first of all to your first point we're looking for you to like lead tear this apart and tell us what we're not thinking about it's almost like I should kind of cede to you to kind of I think facilitate these discussions and figure out how to move this move through this because I recognize you have a ton of experience with it and how it can go right and wrong so thank you for that the second comment is just when I read this and this is again like we haven't spent time on this so Erin this is not a thing but to me statement one is in conflict and there's no way we could evaluate land use applications with that the way it is yeah we we want to say we're we're conserving and protecting the land for the health of the environment but to what extent is that actually for the people of Amherst and how much do we embrace that I think it's like very difficult and fundamental um so yeah agreed Michelle we got to figure that out just a quick just a quick thing that could modify it is for the enjoyment of uh current and future generations and when you do that then you're essentially looking to um preserve it or to incorporate sustainability in time I think I mean I'm just like as a heads up I'm probably gonna split things up into people and ecology and anyway I just I just wanted some like thoughts from you guys which Jen you just gave about if they're hierarchical or horizontal and like what is the number one mission is our number one mission the land and water is our mission is to help developers work within the confines of the wetlands protection act so is that the mission like who says that's a mission that's the wetlands protection act so hold on hold on can I just intervene here so and this is a good educational moment it was like 1972 the reason conservation commissions were created was for management of conservation land that was prior to the wetland protection act so there's two separate pieces of regulation that the conservation commission is charged with conservation commission is a dual purpose committee charged with care custody and control of conservation lands as well as administration of the wetlands protection act and local wetland protection bylaws so really you're both right but what's really interesting about this conversation is we're dealing with both of these things together in 2022 like we're dealing with our regulations which we just finished and now we're dealing with this and so it's like this is what like this is exactly why we're having this conversation is getting us all on the same page about what our purpose is so you know kind of on on that same in that same vein and not to dig into it much further than we really want to right now one of the suggestions I had as far as wording is to facilitate land use and according with the massachusetts wetland protection act and the amherst wetlands bylaws to facilitate it and that's essentially what Fletcher was just saying can you say that one more time uh just yeah yeah and I and I can I'll have it in writing it's already here to facilitate land use in according with in accordance with the massachusetts wetlands protection act and the amherst wetlands bylaws yeah no I think that that's a great fusion you know because that we look through that lens every single time at everything and so why would we look through a different lens for land use policy so I think it's very very um valid thing to include here very exciting and I know that you guys have have it's been a very intense week like I'm literally ready to call it a week right out it feels like Friday for me um and I'm sure it does for you guys too uh so I don't I don't want to exhaust you guys with this right now but let's I'll send it to you and you guys can look through it more carefully and um maybe not at our next meeting on July 13th but maybe the second meeting in July we could try to get it on the agenda but I'll I'll yield to what you guys think and what the what the chair thinks yeah I think the July 13 24th no 27th I can't even add the July 27th meeting would be a good time to get this in and one more thing just to let the the um juices ruminate a little bit is that we need another vice chair here um to be appointed so to think about who would like to step into that role um yeah wow we lose LaRoy oh yeah I hear that yeah we've lost and we're also going to be losing Larry very soon really I didn't know what all right dang no major bummer yep what LaRoy move or something just couldn't do it anywhere I think he had a change in his work schedule uh pretty significant change and just making the night meetings was a problem sure but he might come back you know um in the future just for the time being he can't gotcha so anyways I don't want to why don't if you guys are feeling um good about just having an initial overview we don't have to talk about anything more on this tonight I just thank you for making the time this week it was a very important week and we stepped up and got through two meetings so that's a lot and uh I really appreciate you guys taking the time out of your lives volunteering to do this to help us yeah yeah monumental effort and Michelle if there's some way we should structure the way we talk about the the both the mission statement and the land management plan or if there's some way that we can kind of best facilitate getting to a good like productive endpoint on that let me know I think that might be you know maybe guidance from Erin because she's gonna be taking all of these suggestions from everybody be like yeah I don't that's a tough one since we can't like cleverly communicate right it's hard it's hard because what would be nice is to pass the document around right and yeah I have lots of time to discuss like I'm still sort of hung up on what Fletcher said and I'm not sure I have an answer yeah um so probably calling you Erin yeah yeah and how I've handled this in the past and not necessarily with concoms but other like you know reviewing papers that need markup is having everybody incorporate their edits and then just going through each one and incorporating changes um which you know isn't the isn't the most we could also schedule a work session too that's another option is like within a given meeting schedule a work session where we go through paragraph by paragraph and make edits and suggested changes where everybody has their markups in front of them and we do get out you know that's another option um again I would almost recommend we do that in a special meeting format because I feel like it's better for us to come fresh to discuss something like this as opposed to like after having six years yeah I just feel like looking at July I just don't know how we're going to have the time to have the discussion that it needs in our normal meetings just given that I mean really like how long can we be productive like two hours is a long time to then do this at the end yeah and I'm I'm happy to do the consolidating and if there are comments that are in conflict bringing those to your attention um so we can do it completely offline but I could think that the main thing is like if Fletcher marks it I send it to everybody Fletcher marks it up when he responds he sends his comments only to me Jen you only to me Michelle only to me everybody only to me and then I take those each of those comments and I incorporate that into a new version um that's the only way we can get through it if we do it offline which is completely fine um but a couple options on the table anyway okay I mean I guess like just the idea that comes to mind is is if you make a markup with some like sort of um like philosophical background based on on the mission statement to just incorporate that into your comment with the edit instead of just like redline it so that it's like viewable usually and it's not like a ten minute discussion it's just there to yeah you know Michelle you you just gave me a little brainchild the other thing is we could create a subcommittee similar to what we did before I I think these things are such the backbone of so many things and like we just were you know every every time something difficult comes before us we can we can come to this and help it you know make our decision this is the same thing as the as the bylaws so I'm fine with taking more time do it I cannot speak to anybody else in this committee but well we we could formulate a subcommittee and have regular Friday at noon meetings uh twice a month to do this you know we did it once already we could do it again and um that is an option on the table so we can talk about all these things you know we don't have to make a decision tonight but all on the table for consideration of how you guys want to approach this I guess I would I would love to have a like a conversation with everybody about the mission statement because everybody has a lot of ideas about it and it's sort of the basis of everything that comes after it so that's just my two cents okay well so why don't we all individually and respond only to Erin with markups for now on both the plan management plan and the mission statement like like Michelle said instead of just track changes try to like highlight and add a comment if you have like some rationale that you want to explain for why you're making the suggestion you're making that way we kind of understand the viewpoint along with the edit itself let's get those back to Erin Erin will collate and then depending on we'll I'll check in with Erin before our July 27 meeting and see kind of like what how substantial that is and then if we can just spend any time we have in the July 27th meeting just discussing the mission just discussing the mission statement we will and we'll go from there so that sounds like a plan sounds like a good plan to me okay thanks for keeping this going Erin with everything else going on I frankly don't know how you do it so I make miracles happen every day yeah it's true you know it's definitely true wetland protection miracles all right well I think that was it for agenda for tonight so unless anyone has any questions or comments we just need a motion to adjourn and I would see you guys on July 13th next I'll make a motion to adjourn uh a 754 second that nice uh um voice vote Michelle hey Larry hi Andre hi lecture hi I'm an eye unanimous great job guys thanks for dinner all right good night