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Anyways folks on to the episode So we're gonna go on that to our second topic Again, if you want to know I'm not gonna just keep talking about Odyssey's I do want to revisit Odyssey again I don't know for the week next week or the week after when I've beaten Everything or as much as I'm willing to say like if I hit a point that I'd either 100% the game or I'm just done playing You know I hit like 600 700 moons and maybe I'm just done And then also I'll get 5g back on who's who's well on his way to do to that kind of accomplishment I'll hopefully Eric at that point We'll see if you can find some enough time to do that But I know Eric like if you can get like a weekend day and just sit down and do it like oh my god He loves Mario. Mm-hmm at least complete the story bear. Yeah It's worth it, and I'll probably you know, maybe see if I can get one of that So you have a full four-person panel kind of given our final verdicts on it. I'm not gonna call it a review because I Don't it'll just be a final impressions kind of thing And that's where we can answer the question because I know a lot of people are thinking it now Nate do you think this game is better than Breath of the Wild? And it's one of those questions that I'm not gonna answer until I at least get as far into the game as I have gotten into Breath of the Wild And I think it's a little bit unfair too. It's an apples and oranges. It is well. I mean, that's just that's the way fans are Yep, it's which game. Do you like better is the better question? And I can I can tell you guys I've been like the cell is my favorite franchise Mm-hmm and breath of the wild is my favorite game of all time So it has to beat out my favorite franchise and my favorite game of all time So you could already tell I'm kind of skewed to say no and if you saw Michael Plains of Odyssey so far You could tell well right now. I don't think that yeah, but I also have you know, a hundred and fifty plus hours in I've completed the main quest one time in regular mode now replaying it 100% of the game in master mode And I'm not even know that so like it might not even be fair for me to really compare until I 100% But thank you. Oh It's still one of those things that when I get at least what I feel is as far in Odyssey as I am into breath of the wild I feel like that's when I can have a conversation And hopefully that will be when we're talking about our final impressions because I know there's gonna be a lot of you guys out There know my affinity for breath of the wild. I'm repeating it now And you're gonna wonder, you know, how do I think they stack up despite my obvious bias towards the Zelda series? But yeah, we'll see we'll see we're not there yet Hopefully within a couple weeks. I'll be there One thing I will say in terms of rushing through the game I'm not rushing through it in that I'm spending every waking moment. I have doing it I'm this is the most taking my time. I've ever done to rush through it because Um When I said it earlier I cried when I first started playing it's because when you're about to play something special You're never gonna get that first experience again, so I'm kind of savoring it Well, even though I know I'm rushing through kind of right now I'm savoring every time I play it. So I'm spacing it out on purpose because I don't want it to end Because I don't know when we're ever gonna get another Mario like this great So just like I don't know if we're good to get another open-world Zelda exactly like Breath of the Wild again But I'm not done with that a while. No, so We'll see Move on to our next topic Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey have set some pretty high bars 297 overall rated games plus most aggregated scoring sites metacritic overcritic game rankings Why they could widely considered or widely rated as two of the best games ever made in the history of all gaming I don't think it's ever happened on a single platform in one year. Maybe it has you guys can correct me if I'm wrong But after looking at all the rankings, I don't think any of those games came out in the same year So insane and we and last week we talked about how those rankings Kind of Potentially helped the switch have the best launch year so far Yeah, at least of the Nintendo platform. If not all all platforms. Well Now let me need to think about the future the future of switch and the future games coming to switch and Have to wonder did did Breath of the Wild Super Mario Odyssey Set impossible to reach bars for games like Pokemon on switch Metroid Prime 4 Zeno Blade 2 coming out in December Pretty much any other exclusive game that looks like a top tier premium product Well, you might be really really excited for Yoshi and Kirby. I think based on the style of those games I don't think we think feel like those are gonna hold up necessarily to an Odyssey or breath of the wild But Metroid Prime 4 Pokemon Zeno Blade 2. I mean we're talking about some pretty huge franchises here Has breath of the wild Mario Odyssey set the bar way too high Because rather this is your one how many more years of switch are there? Right? So yeah, just this year I know it feels like that with the any ass classic in this next classic, you know, just not just this year It's a limited sale Eric Is the bar too high? Do these other games need to strive to even? Reach I To be completely honest, I think the only thing that's actually probably gonna come close to this is gonna be Pokemon I think the other franchises aren't as Large as those three well, so yeah when I'm talking about the bar I'm talking about the quality of the game, right? So I'm not not necessarily about the popularity Right. Oh come on clearly like shatters even Zelda for popularity, right? Probably shatters most Mario games to be honest to Most at this point most not me obviously the original Mario sold 40 million and obviously do some rivals we 20 million but um It I don't know it does set a high bar because to have two of the best games in Really long-lasting Franchises and very very popular franchises it You know did that means basically you're gonna have to have The best games out of all these franchises in order to even be remotely considered close to this So he it might be in a possible bar to reach So That's kind of where I'm thinking No, I I hear you on that. Um, I Got some additional thoughts on that but I want to I want to shoot over to 5j here You know I is the bar too high I Mean if we're just talking in terms of quality That's that's tough because we're talking about Metroid and we're talking about played these are games that aren't made by Nintendo proper Well, I guess we don't know about Metroid Prime 4 Is headed up by the guy who created Metroid so these stores It's not made by retro or whatever this time. It's now in-house. Yeah, but we don't want maybe we don't know They said it's being made by a new team It's headed up by you don't know. Yeah, the only thing we know is it's headed up by Nintendo's guy Right, and new team is very vague. Yeah Never worked on Metroid before But they may be the most veteran team of Nintendo. Well, yeah, I mean like Splatoon was made by a new team And there was a team that no one knew existed until Splatoon came out and then arms was made by my colleague team. So So what team are they talking about? I Think Pokemon stands a real chance quality wise if if they're gonna go HD Then they know they have to do it Well, because they have to make an engine that's gonna be good enough to stand, you know, probably three four five releases of games and if they come out of the gate with something sub par They know that it's gonna be sub par for the rest of those releases unless they you know start over or whatnot Metroid Prime quality wise Boy, we'll see the new team thing is a little scary But Metroid Prime the first one is always considered one of the best games of all time. It's a good foundation to start from The question is will there be enough fresh new stuff for it to be? Something that stands out above Metroid Prime That's that's another tough feat. So Yeah, but I feel like Nintendo does this sort of things to themselves over and over again So is it impossible? I don't think it's impossible. Is it gonna be very difficult? Yeah, it's gonna be pretty darn difficult. I don't know if Metroid Prime or Pokemon will per se Knock them down, you know be better quality wise, but could they be darn close? Yeah, I think they could be really darn close Maybe we will see some more games that are gonna enter that upper echelon of top games of all time on this platform They're really looking to make a lot of home runs here So I know they're gonna try their hardest Especially with their own IPs. They're gonna put in every ounce of effort. They can so There's a chance. I don't know if I'd say it's likely, but there's a chance Yeah, this is it's tough because Last thing we're talking about how like this might be the best launch year for a platform ever at least in terms of exclusive games And blah blah blah The bar is really high I don't know if Nintendo's ever set the bar this high ever in the history of the company for a first year where You start the platform with one of the best games ever made you end well It's not really ending because it goes until March, but you're ending the holiday season with you know Like one of the best games ever made and then in between you released a bunch of games that were just really really good You know in the 80 plus reviewed like I think all the search exclusives are like the highest rated exclusives in year one for any platform So that's not just counting Breath of the Wild that's like a couple of the spittoons and the arms You know in there and snipper clips even and stuff like that a golf story got really high reviews So get as a PC release though. It's My I guess my my whole concern with this top is obviously if Nintendo's peaking now That means that it can only go down from here But not yeah And that's obviously a concern I think like any reasonable fan. I'm not trying to kill your hype I'm hyped to sell for a lot of these games, but you know, it's one of those you have to wonder Pokemon's gonna drive sales Sure But it's hard, you know games that could drive sales and keep switches moving switch is gonna keep selling for a long time Breath of the Wild Mario Odyssey, even though I'm not technically 100% done with either of them I know I could tell already. They're evergreen titles. They're gonna keep selling So the platform's gonna stay relevant still gonna like this isn't about success of the platform But if you're peaking in terms of the quality of your games now It to me it's going to be It might almost feel like a letdown in years after not some of you guys are hardcore Metroid fans hardcore Pokemon fans Obviously, you might not feel let down But I'm not talking about like the extreme fans on either medium talk about the general perception of the game library And breath of the wild Mario Odyssey, I think they did set an impossible bar There's no way in hell Nintendo is gonna release two games in the same year for the rest of the Lifetime of the switch and have them both be rated as two of the top games ever and on top of that have three four Five other games come out rated in the mid 80s. Hmm. It's just not gonna happen I don't even know if they can maintain the current pace of releases let alone if you're talking about a whole year Yeah, that's tough. I thought you were talking about individual game. Yeah, no individual game Like it is individual games, but Like well when I just look at the base comes it like Pokemon on switch you know you guys talked about how Pokemon on switch has the best chance of potentially hitting that level and I wonder if People just think that because of how popular it is because they actually have HD assets made in the past or prior games I just never used This is this comes from like developer interviews and stuff so You wonder especially when we're hearing or I've had rumors that Potentially the game might be coming out next year, you know, they put that in their financial update They they have 2018 or later listed on it. Whereas Metro Prime 4 is TBD So that means that there is a chance at least the Pokemon can land next year And when you think about that after they just did Sun and Moon and ultra Sun and Moon That means that there are two maybe two and a half years of development on it to me That doesn't sound like they're revolutionized in anything. They could just be making a normal Pokemon game with HD assets Yeah, that'd be bad especially when yeah, like they said their veteran team is working on it Well, their veteran team is only ever made Pokemon a certain way so How do I trust the veteran team who's always done it one way to reinvent it now? That doesn't mean they can't it obviously happens But like Breath of the Wild as an example that reinvented the wheel or at least incorporated the entirety of the series into that wheel a lot of the ideas that went into that were from the new staff members, so It's just a really interesting thing when and this isn't like discredit the director or Ejinoma or anything like Obviously, they played pivotal roles as well But I mean Ejinoma came right out said a lot of these things like all these things that are the physics under like this was from the new people This wasn't like my ideas. So their ideas and I just thought they were great And I don't know how much that's true with Odyssey or not hasn't been out as long We don't have as many interviews about it So we don't know the full development process behind Odyssey yet, but I do wonder if Pokemon we just think it might be because it's going to sell a ton It might be the best-selling game on Switch mm-hmm when all of a sudden possibly Because that's just how many Pokemon is Pokemon is such like it sales wise Pokemon is every every release like Every mainline Pokemon releases in a tier of its own because every mainline model at least doesn't always sell tens of millions of copies Every mainline Pokemon game has Yeah, I think the lowest of main entry A lot of Pokemon game is sold like the lowest was like 16 million Sure, and like like in a big teller for this as well as oh They're gonna keep to the traditional. There's gonna be two Pokemon games Mm-hmm Right. Yeah, probably know $60 a pop to Pokemon games And if they're doing that that tells me what how you're not really breaking away from the formula at all Then it's up to my two Pokemon games. So same stories. It was slightly different Pokemon It's I don't know it I'm not saying that it can't happen. We don't nothing about the game, right? So like all we can do is look at history and say okay What have they done before that makes us confident they can reinvent the wheel now, right? Because what is the last time Pokemon is really reinvented the wheel when they got rid of badges? I Don't know that that Mario Odyssey completely reinvents a wheel either like you said this is Mario 64 So I don't I don't know if they have to reinvent the entire Pokemon Formula in order for it to be a really really really amazing Pokemon game. That's the best in its series Well, but I mean this is what we're talking about right? We're talking about two games that are Not only like super super highlighted widely considered to be among or if not the best in the series Mm-hmm, and so for a Pokemon game to me to do that It almost has to be fresh in my opinion because they've been using the same formula over and there's one thing that they Refuse to go back to that if they did Would have a ginormous effect on all the Pokemon fans of the years You know what it is Nate go ahead. I have a strong feeling It's how about you travel to more than one region? Golden Silver baby when they went back to the original canto region after you complete the game They've never done it again. Yeah, and it's a great idea Why not give us a much more connected go from region to region to region Pokemon? I mean if I you know when you say that I think This would be a revolutionary thing if the the first Pokemon game on switch all the lands are there. Yeah, yeah So fans of every single generation just like me think about even Odyssey is we say already 64 All the games And they did that in Breath of the Wild as well. Yeah, it's actually like one consistent thing between both of them callbacks So like every mm-hmm respect for the roots. Yes, so In a way Pokemon can pull that off by just including every single region. Yeah, yeah But it's not like they can't do it But the the canto that was in the Golden Silver was also slightly truncated It wasn't one-to-one in size so they could do something similar to that. They could I mean my dream is open world So we're not yet an open world Pokemon game, but that's what's off. I think I Would love over a Pokemon game. That's like World of Warcraft and you can explore all the territories fully It would just be intense and to me It's so the the only way it largely makes sense to catch all 761 or however many Pokemon there are Where they came from Man, it would be I mean my ultimate dream is a Pokemon MMO game, but let's just be real that's not gonna happen Launcher online system with Pokemon Maybe that's why they say 2018 or later and they're just teasing. Oh by the way, that's also for our online system 2018 early True story because they're gonna trade online and battle online, you know Metroid Prime 4 It's a new team So the last time that Metroid was at its peak was when it was with a new team Yeah, retro studios very first game Metroid Prime one is widely considered the best of the three Metroid primes and Metroid Prime is considered to be the best Metroid game if not the If not the best the number two behind Super Metroid for people who really really really just love that that 2d Side scrolling Metroid style. It's just like a Zelda for you know It basically for a long time it was all greener time is why they consider number one and then if that's not your number one It's probably a link to the past. Yeah, and granted I was never one of those people for either of those games, but that was a general opinion There's always exceptions to the rules. Yep So I think it has a shot because it's a new team, but then when you hear like the same guys in charge of it That made other M happened. It's like Does that guy really have it anymore? Even though it's his baby that does he have the good ideas anymore or is it a new team of younger developers? That Nintendo's like look what our young developers have been successful with you need to let them get their ideas, right? Because they grew these aren't people that necessarily, you know made these games in the past But they grew up playing them and sometimes there's an advantage to grow up playing them where you're like, okay? They know what they like in Metroid Prime, so they're gonna make sure that's there and then add on top Mm-hmm. That's actually ironically what I want Nintendo to do as a company With the online system give us what is standard and then do your new ideas on top of it and that's really what I feel like they've done with breath of the wild and Mario Odyssey really they gave us What we want in terms of the standard features, and then they built everything all these new ideas around it So it's weird. They're doing that with their software. They don't always do that with their hardware, but Good different conversation. Some people are like roll in their eyes now that I even mentioned that No, there's nobody to none of us brought that up Yeah, there's not a prayer I think well, I Mean not a prayer in what way like it can't be the best I mean, that's that is a fair point Actually, that's a that's a really good point because there was one thing that held the original Xenoblade blade chronicles back Which was the lack of power in the system and so a lot of a lot of ugly textures and stuff in that game but What was amazing is the scale of the world and the But what's making me nervous about Xenoblade chronicles too and I don't know for sort of Morphing into another topic here by talking about this Well, it's Sorry, what you caught on because our next topics was in a blade. So Hey So what I've seen of Xenoblade chronicles to in the advertisement so far It looks a little bit more like odyssey in that it's like a bunch of smaller kingdoms instead of like a giant connected world, which is Xenoblade chronicles and Chronicles X both had that so if it's a bunch of smaller connected worlds, I don't know if it's going to be able to Blow it out of the water to to expand on what Xenoblade chronicles one did and do it better Maybe there's more content. Maybe there's more variety. Maybe that's great But I'm a little bit nervous from what I've seen so far Yeah The thing is is I think out of all of the games Xenoblade chronicles to at least in terms of Potential to be the best in the franchise has the easiest chance because there's the least amount of games to compare to yep So, you know If you didn't like X style you like the original Xenoblade style You're probably gonna like Xenoblade to better than X already and then the question will be You know, do you like Xenoblade chronicles to better than the original Xenoblade chronicles? And then obviously, you know on the corner that oh, did you like the more Western style X versus the original one? Then you're probably gonna like X better than two anyways So there's obviously some subjectiveness in there, but you know review scores also help pan that out a little bit It could become the highest reviews, you know the game I don't even know what the highest reviewed one is off the top of my head Should have looked that up before we started but yeah, I don't know I would assume it would be the first one. Maybe I mean X was reviewing well too at first I don't know. It's a great game. You know, I love them both. Yeah, I don't know what what they ended with it's But I mean, you know, we talked about the Barbie and said obviously the bar of One of the greatest games ever made I don't think could Be matched. I mean, I think we all hope that happens. We all hope that like Metroid Prime 4 Pokemon Xenoblade Kirby Yoshi, whatever Smash whatever game comes out could be rated as like one of the greatest games ever made Yeah, it feels like if you look at the greatest games ever made, you know gay only games I have a shot or Mario and Zelda out of Nintendo's library anyways Because if you look at all the top rated games, it's all Mario Zelda and then you know games from other companies Very few other Nintendo franchises even score above 90s at times so If I look at it from that perspective, I don't think any other franchise realistically has a chance, but In terms of potential to be the best in the franchise Like Odyssey and breath of the wild might be and is for some people Pokemon is gonna have a shot because it's the first HD game in the series the first traditional home console game You can put this in perspective. This is the leap all the games took back on the n64 That people are expecting here So that's why so many of us like you can't screw this up. This is the n64 leap for the Pokemon franchise Mm-hmm, and it's really weird to have a franchise in 2017 and 2018 that hasn't made that leap yet Pokemon's one of them There's been obviously 3d Pokemon games But even 2.5 d and arguably 3d on the handhelds, but nothing like what people are going to expect on switch So that has a chance just because there's going to be that wow factor of collecting all these Pokemon and HD I think the only Pokemon games that were on we use the other age console was like Pokemon rumble Not going for high fidelity graphics these little cutesy toys It's also Pockin tournament or whatever poke in tournament. Oh, yeah, that's fair. I thought that was really good But again, that's a fighting game. So it's not really the same thing Yeah, plus there were only like a dozen Pokemon in it out of the 700 plus. So Um, I thought I actually thought they had a good choice of Pokemon in there, but they did Obviously much like one percent of all Pokemon The nice thing about Pokemon to switch is it can break free from the bonds of all prior games while still calling back to I feel like that's what Breath of the Wild Odyssey did It broke free from the bonds the series has been stuck in for a while But called back to everything at the same time, which was brilliant. I think pokemon and switch could do that I don't know if they're going to I'm not I have zero faith. That's what they're going to do. Yeah, but They could I think the potential is there and I think they know the Especially after a pokemon go and everything they know that okay. Yeah We we have to get this right because this could be it's not going to be pokemon go levels of revenue But it could be potentially the best selling pokemon game ever if oh for sure they get it right Um, so I think they want to get it right. We'll see Maybe it will be ready in 2018. Maybe before all we know they've been working on this before they even started development on Sonamoon Um, you know, we really don't know how long this has been a development work didn't seem like it honestly It seemed like we would have saw down So We will you figure we would have saw even if it was like a CGI um anime thing when they announced it Oh, by the way, we're working on a new pokemon game per switch. Okay Um, yeah, metro prime 4 Is always going to have the issue of That's the one that how do you break free from prime by being a prime game? Yeah Yeah, I don't think it's recalled prime 4 first of all I think they got to kind of start over I don't think they're I don't think they're going to start over and I'll say the only reason I say that But I don't think it's been called for I think the only reason I could say that Well, I don't know it might be called metro prime with a subtitle. I don't know But I don't think four is going to be in the title Maybe I don't see all the other ones had had the number in the title besides the first of course um, I understand so I think because of how The hardcore metroid fan base was going nuts when that just having that title on screen Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get rid of that title Right, they might add a subtitle to it, but very clearly they built this hype on being the next metro prime So for them to like absolutely even get rid of the number or get rid of the prime And it would almost might actually turn some people off being like, uh, you promised a prime game and now you're not giving a Suprise, right? It'll be a sequel to prime 3. I'm just predicting. We're not going to see a four in the title Locking that bet Locking it in there locking it in I think they're going to keep the metro pride for just because people would not so I think though I had a subtitle um But I think they're gonna I mean they might even shorten it. They might even say metro prime They might just call it mp4 than subtitle Um, which would be interesting. I don't think I don't think they've ever done that I don't know, um, which clearly means metro prime, but you know to make it shorter if they have a really long sub title Zelda always has the legend of zelda breath of the wild. I mean, that's a mouthful. Yeah, um But nobody calls it the legend is only called breath of the wild. So Um, what they call it metro prime 4 or what they call it the sub title Yeah, don't know I guess But I think that's the game that has the least chance of standing out just because It's going to be a prime game Which means it's going to be built off of what they've already done with the prime series Instead of necessarily being a new start for the franchise um Odyssey felt refreshing because it felt like almost kind of a new start Uh breath of the wild definitely felt like a new start Uh pokemon and switch can feel like a new start Metro prime 4 or metro prime whatever it's called By nature of being a sequel I just don't think it it can have that it could still be really damn good It can end up being the best prime game. I don't know. It was technically metro 8 4 Right not prime, but metro 8 4. Yeah, and they did something very new in that one Um, and based on the way prime 3 ended I think there's plenty of space for them to really put a twist on the formula. Oh, no doubt But it's still going to be built off of what prime Set up instead of being something completely fresh Yeah, and to be fair they did try something fresh with other them Um, I can't take away their attempt at it Um combining metro prime with like side scrolling metro. They tried it They basically try to pull an odyssey they they try to pull an odyssey. They really did They really did it didn't work at least I think I like other I actually think it's a lot better than people give it credit for I think the some of the monotone voice acting really turns people off But the more and more people said that and the more and more of this I'm like, that's what I don't really know what I expect Like samus to sound like yeah After all the crap she's been through is she supposed to get super ultra excited about things Like a little school girl that she's supposed to get like super ultra serious Or is she just dead inside at this point? Yeah after everything she's gone through in the series I I'd be dead inside Yeah You know, she's gone through a lot of crap. If you know the history of the metro series, man Samus like I don't know how she can you have a soul anymore at this point? Um, she I also don't know why she's always alone. It's the federation's everywhere Yeah, and like a couple of games. Yep. Yeah, maybe we should try and help her out there. She's all Trying literally hundreds of aliens single-handedly. Maybe we'll throw a trooper in here She's a badass They just be like why risk our troops who could barely take out one guy when she's just gonna go wipe out the whole nation Why train more troops that to actually be able to shoot well? Nah But uh, I think metro is just gonna have the hardest time just because the expectations are almost more of the same um, you know better but more of the same And they might blow us out of the water. It could happen By the way, I'm not saying none of this can happen I think metro prime 4 out of all of them has the least amount of chance because it can't really reset They I mean even at zeno bay 2 you mentioned, you know They've really separated up the world. It seems between the different giants Um, and that's just a different. So it's a different take Um, and they could do that with zeno bay because every single zeno bay game has been a different take Uh, there hasn't been two zeno bay games are the same Uh, so out of the two that are already out Yeah, what's I'm saying though, like it's so that that series has the advantage of youth, right? Like with zelda came out zelda one and zelda two very very different. Oh my goodness. Yeah So like when the length of the past came out, it's like, oh, okay Combine the best elements of all sweet um whereas Uh, is that what they're gonna do is by two we don't know but they could and it's a it's a young enough franchise That that could happen metro. It is an old franchise Metro prime isn't now Almost a classic series at this point Yeah, you know several generations ago. Yeah, so it's I think metro is gonna struggle the most just because it is the only one of them that is built off of as a direct sequel to And I understand zelda two is supposedly a sequel to zeno blade one um But done in a way that's almost it feels breath of the wild like we're breath of the wild the sequel to like You know from games from 10 000 years ago But, um It's still its own thing A metro prime. I think it's going to struggle with that perception But it can still be excellent. It can still end up being the best prime game ever. Who knows? um Of course, you're gonna be right back Obviously, even though you were supposed to start the next time Abandoning the plan Okay, uh, so moving on while eric's clearing his throat, um Doing a lot of talking about zeno blade chronicles But also you guys let us know down in the comments below about you know Do you think you know these games can match super money odyssey and breath of the wild and very like we talked about several different aspects Um that you could try to measure the games through those two games Or do you think we should even be measuring the middle That you can't do that right? um I think it was very fair to say. All right. What if we're just talking about best inside the series? That's probably the most objective way to talk about it. No And I think we kind of edge it on that side. I think that was I think we I like that we looked at multiple sides. Well, we'll see how people respond to that