 I don't know preamble tonight because I don't have things properly set up. We're using a screen yard for this. So, uh, how you guys doing? Welcome to Nintendo Prime live. Or as I guess I'm calling it a little bit of a member cast. Uh, we're going to be talking a bunch of Zelda tonight between Obstimee Joycey and Andres restart. One of our special guests. Joycey's going to kind of, I'm so huge. Yeah. I will do it. I like to fill the screen. I mean, look, I can make a small, you could be like, oh, hi. See, I don't like that. I don't like, well, if you do that, then you're going to actually reveal my whiteboard. Oh, I want to see your ideas. I'm just kidding. Well, the thing is, I angle my camera. Um, so, so Joycey just wants to be in this. All right, well, that's fine. Nope. So to be honest with you, I probably got to wipe that white. I got to wipe that board because they have the ideas I'm probably not going to use. Oh, yeah. Maybe one or two. Yeah, I've got only one idea on my board right now. Um, anyways, guys, uh, here's what's going to happen tonight. We're going to be talking a lot of Zelda. No matter what, you'll have us three talking Zelda, no matter what happens. Wait, wait, wait, Zelda. Zelda. Yeah, we're going to talk about Metroid today. Yeah, obviously this is a Metroid day. Look, I didn't organize any of this. So don't look at me. I didn't either. You know, Metroid, Mario and Zelda are all linked. Oh, there it is. Let's go back to the NES era. Here's the deal. This is a special show where you guys can actually get in on the show if you want. So you have to be a member of the channel and you have to get a hold of Joycey J either through Twitter and or Discord DMs. We have a link to our Discord down below. Also a link to Joycey's Twitter as well. I'm presuming her DMs are open on Twitter to get it. And she will pre-screen you and then hand you the link to get in. And we're just going to kind of add people in. We'll we'll base the time on how many people are waiting to get in. Like if there's like 20 people that trying to get in, well, then, okay, we're going to have to pretty, pretty strict at the time. If we only have a few people, then we can be a bit more lenient with that as well. I know we already have like one or two people already that are going to be coming in that have already pre-talked about coming on. So awesome. I know we're going to do that. So it's not a radio show, except not just like one person. No instructions. I just said, Hey, we're doing this Zelda thing on the 18th. Are you in? And he's like, yes. That was the extent of the conversation. Andre, if you if you actually looked at my DMs, I really quickly shot you. What we what we might talk about, but of course, you're going to help us out. Was it on Discord or Twitter? Discount discount. Discount discount discount. One of them. Thanks. You know what it is. And okay. Yeah. I want to know it because you blocked me. I know I want to talk to you. I don't think you sent it while streaming. I didn't see it. It's OK. I'm teasing you. I will be still doing shots for Super Chat. So it's totally like a normal normal stream like that. We'll also still feature every single Super Chat and answer the Super Chats in the stream. I presume it's going to be a lot of Zelda Super Chats, but some of you guys make things a little weird. It is what it is. If YouTube allows it to go through, I guess I got to deal with it. So YouTube blocks certain things in Super Chats with that. Not enough in my opinion. My block finger is still working just so y'all know. Anyways, we already have a Super Chat right off the bat. So I can do a shot right away, which is pretty sweet from Mackerel. Says, will the Zelda movie be original or based off a game? I would find it interesting if Nintendo didn't do Archimere of Time. Then what was such a game as Zelda 2 for the story, I'm guessing. All right, Andrew, you want to take it or you want me to take that one? Sure. So will the Zelda movie be original or based off of a game? I would find it interesting that Nintendo didn't do Archimere of Time and what was the game such as Zelda 2. So my perspective is just, by the way, is that profile for like Oda from One Piece or is it something else? Anyway, sorry, that's the ADHD kicking in. But yeah, I don't think it's going to be based off any particular game. I think it's probably just going to be its own thing. The same way the Mario movie was its own thing. I think that's probably the best way to go about it because the moment they pick a specific Zelda game and try to model the movie off of that, you're running into a few issues. One, the plot's already out there, so spoilers already exist, right? But also two, trying to it's becomes even more challenging. I was in a movie format when it was a game and a movie, right? So there's changes there. Part of the reason why a lot of video game to movie adaptations don't work well, because you're trying to adapt something that was never constructed to the movie in the first place. What I think makes the most sense is that very sort of horror movie that's going to be more of like an amalgamation of different Zelda ideas put into the right context for what would be a good movie. So it'll appeal to the Zelda fan base. It will feel Zelda because it will be Zelda, but it will be done in the format of a movie from the base, from its foundation and not like being adapted from something else. What him said. That's a big difference. I like it. I don't have to say I totally agree. I totally agree. I think it's going to be original. Now, what I do wonder is if it's going to what I hope is that it will have still have the soul of Zelda and I believe it will. We're still going to have a link. We're going to have a Zelda. I believe there's going to be a master sword. If the villain is Ganon or not, that's kind of the biggie the biggie question there. I don't think they have to. I think it's safe, but I don't think they necessarily have to. But we have to have a link. We have to have a Zelda. I'm going to venture to guess their 100 percent will be Ganon like that. I'm like to me, it's like not having Bowser in a Mario movie. That's a very good point. But then again, one of the things I like about Zelda is that there's so much we can sink our teeth into surrounding lore and everything else. They can do the Twilight Princess, the Link to the Past, all these different things they've done before, where you have the one bad guy who's following you around. Or you have a main problem with the Link to the Past that was agonim, Twilight Princess. Yeah. And so they can have their villain, right? But it's going to then Ganon makes the appearance. Right. He's he's the background villain, right? And but he's going to be related to the to the to the movie. And so it's interesting because, like, we don't know what they're going to do. Maybe there's going to be a series of movies. There's going to be a series of movies that's planned from the get go. Then that may impact how they tell the story, right? But, you know, to speak to at least to the point of like people wanting maybe the story being related to one Zelda game or another, like the Mario movie, there's going to be a whole bunch of references and cameos to speak to a whole bunch of different Zelda games, right? Like you're going to like there might be a town called Raru town from Zelda 2, for example, right? You're going to you're going to have the Temple of Time at some point, you know, your these things are going to happen. Maybe there's a guy that's that's named Yanubo, right? That to speak to the Gorons, like these they're going to find ways to remind us of different Zelda games throughout its history. But it's going to be its own thing. Or maybe we'll get a side random story about what happened in the cat. I need somebody to explain to me what happened to cast. I love the movie. He went to the movie World's. That's what happened. He fell in a hole. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Oh, Jesus. I remember making a video on it a while ago. I don't even remember what what I came up with. But I I almost want to I almost like wonder if cast just like died because people died during the upheaval. You know, like that's that's true. There's there are adults that are just missing. Like when you go what? What's the game would have just told me if you died? Yeah, exactly. Or hinted at least or something. I don't know. Maybe died. Just people I don't know. Maybe or he's he's MIA or maybe a lot of a lot of adults went out trying to solve stuff. And but maybe he went out for a pack of cigarettes and just never came back. The other thing, though, is I think of them. There are certain details that kind of hint that the world of Breath of the Volunteer was actually larger than we think. So like what's her name? Yona, right? Like we're I've already been so much time to play to the game, started to forget like certain details. But it was it's a Yona, right? The fiance for our guy. Siden. Siden. Yeah, it's Siden. It's Sadan is Sadan. Sadan is my butcher. That's me butchering it. It's Sadan, right? Sounds a little more suave. Sadan. Yeah, right. But yeah. And she comes from a different Zora's area that's not at all in anything we explore in Hyrule, you know? And so there's this implication that there is there are areas beyond what we can explore. And given that Cass is a bird who could fly, like he could there's so many places he could have gone or to Taker's point, he got stuck in an invisible wall. So we got we just got to do a sequence breaking and just brownie breaking. And eventually we might run into Cass like under underground, underground, underground, Hyrule. Ice cold beer, I love it. It would be coffee in the visible wall trying to fly. The next time Game Informer has an interview with Agile and Numa, they have to ask what happened to Cass. That would be very nice. Yeah, like legit would be sweet. Hey, hey, yes. We have somebody who would like to call in and chat about. Well, yeah. What if anything, you know, I'm a let I'm a let them introduce it. We got Patrick Kay. And this is the part I kind of forgot to ask you. How do they? Should they call you or should they call me on discord? I'm assuming you can just send the link right to this. Send them in the link. Yep. Oh, OK. She copies and paste her link. She can just. Yeah, the link I sent you to get in originally is the same link. By the way, I think I already got already our confirmation earlier. I was going to ask you guys don't have to come in with video. If you don't want, it could be audio only. It's all it's all to you guys. For the call ins. And yes, we're going to say, Andre, because we kind of just jumped over. It wasn't it wasn't important to the discussion. I was just going to ask if it if it looked like my raid worked or not. I think it did. It did. Yeah, it did. We jumped from we have like 50 weight and it jumped to 100 weighting after a sick, sick. Yeah. And I always try to encourage everyone, like if you're a content creator, you're going to be able to jump to a hundred weighting. You're going to be able to jump to a hundred weighting. If you're a content creator, turn that ability out on your channel. Like I want to raid other channels and I can literally only raid like Andres. Because other people don't have it turned on to do. Yeah, it kind of sucks. It's just not auto turned. It's not advertised. And it's got to kind of dig through to find a future. I told you about it wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. If it wasn't for you, wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah. I wouldn't have even known it was an option. So yeah, just talk about it. Yeah. All right, I'm working with our buddy over here. Please continue. Turn off. Where are you? I was wondering what that was a little bit earlier. Hold on. Where is it? Oh, there it is. I got it. I got it. Sorry, I'm trying to I'm trying to get the the background music working. I had to compress the file because there's limited file size. And I got it. I figured it out. We're going to be all right, I think. All right. Well, what do you want to talk about till this person gets in? Um, there's so much to talk about. Kind of tough. Sorry, I'm also like trying to. I know you're trying to do everything. Yeah. Super chat we can hop too quick. Hold on. Big one. I've got a big one in here from Nicky short. Uh, $20. Hey, thank you so much for the 20. I appreciate that. What an amazing stream idea. Have to work, but I wanted to support awesome. Yeah. Like we're This is a new thing. It'll probably be smoother if we ever do it again. But if it goes really well, this is the thing. I want to offer this as a member perk. And it was totally all Joy CJ's ideas. So I'm giving her a complete 1000% credit for this. But if it goes well, I like to do this again. It doesn't have to be sell. They can be a Metroid next time to be Mario next time. You know, we could pick individual topics and just see how well this goes. I want to offer this as a perk for our members because I do appreciate you guys literally. I mean, look, I'm a full-time YouTuber. You guys all pay my bills. So thank you. I'm sure it's how this works because I've tried doing Collins before, but I always just do like one person. Right. Yeah, need to kind of see you guys do it because maybe in the future, I'll just basically straight up copy you. No, you could call it an intimate discussion with on technically this software has a better way to do it. They have a green room. What's called where you can preach. Yeah, like I could just be on a stream yard. Yes. But I upgrade my membership to do it. I know it's already expensive. So I was just wanting it just once to see how cool it is because I like the idea of like instead of having Joyce, you have to go to DMs all the time. I could literally just be like all members. Go to this member only area. I could do a member only community post. Click the link. You can get queued up and we can literally pre-screen all of you right here. Would that be the most convenient easiest way to do it? But that's yeah, it gets expensive. This already isn't that cheap per month. Although you get some pretty neat features. It's very convenient in many ways. I'm paying for the cheapest tier. Yeah, I'm not. But the thing is you're not even paying for the most expensive tier and you're paying for more than paying more than I am. Yeah. It's a lot of money grabbing. And the software is like this software provides things that is just convenient. So I like it. And that's one thing that is convenient. A green screen because of literally they created the green screen thing because they knew people want to do call-in shows. It's literally specifically for call-ins. It's awesome. I've seen it on another on a much bigger channel that uses the software and I was like, damn, dude, that looks really convenient. Well, here we go. Pay bigger bills. I'll maybe I'll just upgrade. Here we go. We got what? Pat Goon ready? Yes. Let's go. Let's go. He's got his elder shirt on and everything. Nice. Do it. Hey guys, can you hear me? Hey. Nice. Nice. Nice. We're in the background and everything. Of course. Of course. So to introduce myself, my name is Patrick Pat Goon. You've seen me in the chat. Maybe huge Zelda fan. You see, I got the shirt. That's a Zelda OLED. This is my prize possession. I love this thing. Play. Yes. Link to the past. I don't know if you can tell. Oh, I kind of match. Oh, nice. Nice. Nice. I'm actually going to beat the game tomorrow at the final. I didn't even play Zelda hat on. What's wrong with me? Oh, actually, speaking of Zelda set in the corner, not links hat here. What? It's actually from an old costume. So it doesn't fit very well. Is that a Twilight Princess one? It's just like generally, no. It's just cool. I just like one. It looks a little Twilight Princess. Yeah, it's definitely like the color. It's a darker color. Yeah. I also got 3D printed master swords here. Oh. Chell. Oh, yo. Oh, Chell. Decade master sword. Nice. That is awesome. Thank you. Thank you. So my question was what, if anything, would you add to this like open air style of Zelda game from the older's games? Can I have this one? Yes. OK. I have this wild idea. You've heard me say this, Pat. You see me in the chat a million times. My favorite game is the leak to the past. One of my favorite dungeons in a link to the past, there's not a bad one in there, but my one of my favorite ones is in the forest. Where you have to go underground and it brings you to different places in the entire place. And my wild idea in a huge open world, one of the best things I think they could do is we have these. I like the Divide Beast. I like the Tears of the Kingdom dungeons better, but I want those really big insane dungeons. Like you don't know you're in a dungeon sometimes. Best example, Twilight Princess, no peak ruins. You don't even know you're in a dungeon until it's like, wait a minute. Wait, and then you get a map and then it's like, oh, I'm in a dungeon. And then you have this big area somewhere. I don't know, in the desert, probably the desert if it's again, and if again, it's the villain. That would make sense. And you have to go and unlock certain areas. You have to go underground in certain areas. And then you can't access the main area until you've completed all the crazy big insane dungeons all around the world that may or may not have a specific theme. Maybe there is no theme. Maybe you have a forest dungeon, a forest style greenery dungeon, but it's in, you know, it's in Rideau Village for some reason. You have, it doesn't have to have, you know, earth, wind, and fire. Shout out to the band. But it doesn't have to have earth, wind, and fire. It could be something completely different. That was one of the reasons I liked no peak ruins. That was one of the reasons I liked that for, or I liked that dungeon in the link to the past because it's very, very different. So I think Nintendo really needs to like, let go of their inhibitions, if you will, and just go dungeon crazy. Cause really that's what, that's one of the big things about Zelda. We like exploration. We like all that little stuff. We love the lore. Yeah, but let's be honest, y'all, we play for the dungeons. So that's what I would, I would really like to see them go nuts. And I mean, I want a big dungeon. I like the shrines. Those are cute, but I want dungeons. I'd rather like five or six solid dungeons than 120 shrines. I want 10 dungeons. Give me 10. Yeah, 10. I mean, 10 big ones. That'd be great. Twilight princess, wasn't it? Yeah. I think it was 10 total, if you include the castle. Oh, yeah. A link to the past has 10 or 11. Link to the past has 10. But then some of them, like some of them. Oh, no, you're right, 11. Yeah, cause of the last, the tower. Interesting. Yeah. I kind of, I feel similar, right? I do agree with the direction they've gone with Zelda where they focused on adventure and really expanding on that. But I also, you know, as a long time Zelda fan, I do think there are things that got to bring in, right? And I do also kind of, I look at like Breath of the Wild Chasers of the Kingdom and I feel like they started to bring in some of those elements, right? Like they, like in terms of dungeons, like I do think they're moving in that direction, right? Like the dungeons that they did have, they fit within the open world as opposed to be segment. Like, you know, in Breath of the Wild, they were separate, like you have to load in. And so the dungeons in Tears of the Kingdom, they are part of the overworld. It's a seamless transition and there is more variety to them and they made the boss fights more unique and interesting, more similar to prior games, but obvious, but I do agree. There's still a lot of work to be done. And so I love the idea, that you bring up like just kind of, you're exploring. You don't even realize you're in a dungeon at the dungeon, right? And so I'm kind of just piggybacking up of what you're saying here. I definitely think that that's something they got to do, but I think it's, it's not so much about taking away from the adventure and doing something else on top of that. It's about better incorporating the dungeons into the adventure, because imagine you are just going through this massive like forest, right? And you just stumble upon this ancient ruin and you start digging deeper and deeper before you realize it. You're in the forest temple. Like imagine like the forest temple from Ocarina of Time that is deep in the woods. Like, but it just happens. And so I want things like that and it doesn't have to be falling within the typical elements, as you said, like that makes so much sense. And so I just think they need to think more about, yeah, like more variety, more of the seamless transition. And I think that'll make a big difference. I want to focus on variety though, because I think that is another like interesting point because Breath of the Wild had a lot, but some of it felt a little repetitive and the same can be said for tears of the kingdom. Like in order to have such a huge world, there's a lot of similar elements throughout. I want them to kind of expand things to where there is a similar amount of content, but I want it to be dense and for those things to feel varied, right? Because a lot of the shrines do still feel similar and I want a lot more variety there. So maybe they do have to kind of whittle down the amount of shrines as you're kind of talking about Pat and focus and then but still give us more big dungeons. So I'm okay with that, but definitely mix it up more and have just these crazy different types of things going on. I think it's another thing about Zell that's so special is that there's a lot of these unique interactions we have, right? Like with the weird side characters and stuff and it's not, I don't think we lost it in Breath of the Wild tears of the kingdom, but maybe it's not as blatant. And so definitely incorporating more weird characters, more weird areas and sequences of events. I think that'll help a lot. I actually real quick, I just want to jump in real quick because Andre gave me an idea. What if one of those dungeons just real random, you like run into another Nintendo character? Like not a main one though, like a random side character like or even a main one. We just run into Luigi and it's just like all we just kind of mean. Yeah. Well, yeah, he is warming, but we run it. We go into him. We find out we have to go into a mansion. We find out it's a dungeon and then Luigi's like, hey, and Link's just like, or maybe it's not blatantly Luigi, but it's kind of like Luigi because I mean, not great time. They technically, there are two dudes. What is it? Ingo and you know, the two farmers, they're Mario and Luigi, but they're not. Yeah. Wait, where? Talon and is it Talon, Ingo and Talon? Which, which, yeah. That's actually a time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Because they were okay. Yeah. The sleepy dad and then the evil guy. Yeah. Ingo is literally Luigi. Yes. And Talon is literally Mario and Milan is not anyone. Are you trying to like wait Milan? Nope. No, I mean, maybe, maybe she's like, maybe she's daisies. Maybe Samus, baby Samus. And I'm sorry, Pat, I totally cut you off. What were we going to say? Yeah, what were we going to say? Well, Andres was just talking about like the unique characters and I just think like, I'm playing a link to the past, like I said, and there's this one part in the game where you just come across this old guy middle-aged man. That's what this middle-aged man sitting there and like sitting by the science, like paying no attention to this middle-aged man. And then I was just playing today and I come across this chest or actually a few days ago, I came across this room with this like weird hand guy is like, Oh, tell you profitable story. And then he tells you that the middle-aged man was a locksmith thief guy. And then I found this chest, but it's like, there's no key to unlock it. And then like this was over like that a few weeks and I was like, wait, there's the how do I unlock this if there's no the locksmith? Oh my gosh, the middle-aged man and it's just like so cool how it all comes together. I feel like there's not besides like the overarching story of the game. There's no small things like that that just come together and then your games and maybe I just haven't played enough. I think I think the idea is fair like for me, like you can talk about dungeons and all that. I just want a denser world. So yeah, I think the size of tears looking in the breath of the wild is fine. If they want to go bigger than that, that's fine. But I think the shrines and a lot of that stuff is like an excuse just to have something to do instead of actually making a much denser more enthralling experience in the world. Like there's so much room for side quest opportunities that aren't necessarily taken advantage of. And that's like a great example of one that like, hey, this is like a connected side quest thing that you weren't even aware of and you had to sort of connect the dots and involved multiple things without a quest popping up to tell you, hey, go find this thing is left up to the player to figure it out. And I mean, and that can even come back to dungeons a little bit too with a denser world because one thing I really and this this is a huge credit the breath of the wild and actually makes me upset about tears in the kingdom. Some of the best shrines that they had in breath of the wild were actually in the overworld when you didn't even realize you were doing a shrine. It was just like, let me put this over by this statue. What the hell is going on? I don't really understand what this is. And all of a sudden you do it because you're just thinking like, hey, this looks off. Let me try to solve this puzzle thing see just to see if anything happens. They're all of a sudden, oh, boom, a shrine popped up and you're like, whoa, and this was right in the overworld. This was lost and they didn't have that in tears in the kingdom and it reminded me a lot actually. And this is people don't like Tom with skyward sword, but every area in skyward sword was sort of a dungeon to get to the dungeon. It was very dungeon like to get there and I don't necessarily want it to be like so restrictive like skyward sword was very linear dungeon like, but I do like the idea of if they could borrow that from skyward sword and be like, Hey, maybe we combo that in a dungeon where the world is bigger, but that's because some of the sections, maybe the entire section is just one giant dungeon and you don't even realize it. So you're like halfway through doing it and just solving these random puzzles that happened to like give you something and you're just not thinking anything of it because this is just a normal thing that happens in the game. And all of a sudden you're like, Oh, wait a second. Why am I fighting this giant mini boss or the freaking and that's another thing I want to come back or the big mini bosses. Sometimes they were even more than the big bosses at times. So like I don't I there's a lot of help you can bring back in new ways and the funny thing is like they kind of experimented with it in Breath of the Wild and then just completely got rid of it and what's nice about this new Zelda game though is that they're supposedly doing building a whole new world a whole new direction. And so it's really open for them to try new new things or bring back old ideas in brand new ways. So it's really exciting to think about like what they might bring back. I know they keep saying we don't want to go backwards but they even we saw in Breath of the Wild and tears of the kingdom. They still didn't forget where they came from. So they're still going to bring something back. It's just what is it? And then what really crazy way are you going to do it now that you couldn't take the hook shot? Bring back the hook shot. Yeah, please. That doesn't want the hook shot. No, I love the hook shot. The hook shot's great. Yeah. We can go flying machines where we can't fly law flings. Come on, Nintendo. I wanted I was so hoping law for law flings and tears of the kingdom. Hey, we did have flying though. I was hoping, yeah. We did have flying. Hey, that's what my favorite game, law flings would have been awesome. Yeah, law flings. Yeah, but I was really hoping because I don't and maybe and I kind of understand maybe why Nintendo didn't do this. But to me it was kind of a missed opportunity. He's like, dude, you could have left so much crap up there from Skyloft just for the fun of it. Right. A lot of the islands have they're cool, but there's like it's just usually it's just it's rocks and grass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And a treasure chest and golden apples. Yeah, those are nice things, but I would have wanted to like run to like a random old man or something like. Imagine there's like an island. I was like had like the rings of colors like fun fun island on it, but it was like broken and like colored and like grass, but that'd be like so cool just to like come across and you're like, Oh, imagine you find another great skyland and there's an old zone. I still alive on it. Yeah, really cool. Or what if there was a fishing pond in the sky and there's just a random guy's like, Oh, my family's lived here for generations and no one ever comes. Yeah, that'd be cool. I thought we were all in the world. Yeah, yeah, we're missing a lot of that that they definitely had that care, especially the skyward store with its islands. There was a lot more character on every single one. It would have been would have been cool. I do want it. I do want to take a moment to give to the kingdom props though, because I feel like whenever comes these conversations, we like to kind of just say, Oh, Tuesday came didn't do this. Tuesday came didn't have this, but it did show a lot of cool things. Oh, no. We can ride dragons, right? We didn't get to, we already were to ride law things, but we were able to ride dragons, which that's like convenient. This is the, oh by the way, look, not to get too inappropriate. This is the only game you can ride Zelda. I'm just saying. I mean, they she is already used to getting, she's already used to getting rid. And I mean, they live together. Oh, did they? We don't ever, she is the dragon this time. Excuse me. I'm Pat. Sweet pea. I mean, I would love to be with you. But there's nothing that says that they actually did like I wait a minute table settings in the house And that's the only been in Hyrule we can sleep in and I know all the stuff, but did they actually It's because why would she? But here's the thing here's the thing Pat Sweet pea how old are you man? Or are you over 18? No? No, okay. I'm gonna keep it clean. Okay, so here Like So no cuz your mama might watch this and try to find me so no, but seriously if a Woman needs her own cave or well To get away from you. It's cuz she lives with somebody It's no different and once you get into your forever relationship one of these days You will be like I love her to pieces. I love him to pieces But I gotta go elsewhere. You're getting them. I love you, but you're getting on my nerves Me and my boyfriend don't even live together. We've been together for years. We don't even live together. So They live together Trust me. They live together. That's part of that's part of my art You don't think that that further I could I agree with you But just to play devil's advocate, right? Some people would argue that She created that spot because she needed a quiet place away from the children Because some could argue that time. Yeah, some could argue that. What about nighttime? When I mean well, well Pat, let me ask you a question, right? I mean Do you at least think that Lincoln's all that are in a relationship? Yeah, okay, so you think they're a relationship, but you're just not sure if they're intimate Well, if they're staying together, we'll just say that if they live Yeah, I Don't know. I mean It's hard to tell It's one of those things where Nintendo is trying to tell you without telling you because they don't they don't want to ruin I and this sometimes bugs me with Nintendo. They don't want to ruin What you're getting out of your experience with the game because there's some people who are just not fans of Lincoln's Zelda being together at all. I just read the signs as they go. I will be the first to tell you After a link to the past Twilight Princess is probably my next favorite Zelda game And that was the most business transaction Zelda link. I've ever seen they had no There's no they're not even friends. They are like we're here to do a job acquaintances, I Don't even know if they were that I there are acquaintances. I would call before they call each other So but that's not it almost hurts how distant they I mean, yeah, it's not a bad thing I mean the love interest is between Midna and what is her name Leah or I like I've never Yeah Went with Midna if she hadn't gone back to the Twilight realm There's that comic, but that's a whole Manga yeah What's funny is that you corrected me I said come if you're like you mean the manga and I'm like, oh do you mean the manga? Hey levels. There's levels to scooty My levels of an empty aiding. It's really bad. Okay. I don't know how Like it's so much shit for how I pronounce things. Yeah Yeah, I've made multiple videos on zelda and link being in a relationship. Um, I I think it's interesting to Like to see if they we can make a distinction of if it's there I think it is their house. I mean it's referred to their house And I think what Joycey J says like the fact that she's have her own personal room You could argue it's just for the kids, but I mean come on like Does it like she could just lock the door? That's true Like and with young with children. It's kind of like now. Don't y'all go bother Miss Zelda. It's late. Y'all go Here's some supporting evidence though. She keeps the she keeps like a new like what a lock of links hair Not in his hair, but like a Hairband yeah, right in that room away from it. She also writes about a special gift for him in that room So those both imply that these are things that are meant to be kept away from link That's true. Yeah, so it does it suggests more so it's about keeping a separate space from link as opposed to from the children And another thing also Relationships from what I understand in Japanese culture You could be the most in love couple ever, but to the public you you're not there's not a lot of PDA There's not a lot of There's not a lot of that back and forth like we do here in America, you know here in America We'll just make out in the street. We don't care In Japanese culture, that's not appropriate even for married couple long married couples So it looks like a very and it looks it can look like it looks like a friendship to us But I wonder what somebody from that culture would have to say about that. Go ahead Andre Oh, no, I think you bring up a fantastic point. That's a really really good point I just want to build on top of that though. There's another angle. There's another angle. We're not really we haven't touched on yet Princess Zelda is Princess Zelda. She's straight royalty She is the because the entire kingdom the monarchy has been destroyed She is the leader of that kingdom, right? And so her being in a relationship is a very weird political issue so And you could interpret this in multiple ways some people might make might use this as an argument to say That's why they can't be in a relationship. I Just agree especially because the monarchy no longer exists But it is an image problem, right? So maybe they don't want to make it clear or advertise that they are living together And so that actually could answer the the common counter argument people have pointed out It's like hey, no one in Hattano village recognizes link some do but very few it could be because they literally intentionally are hiding the fact that they live together because She's royalty There's a really awkward moment at the end of tears of the kingdom When they're like about to be like, oh, we'll follow you and And like just standing there like are you are we about to announce this right now? We about to go there We're doing this. No Literally was so it was such an awkward pause and they zoomed it out in space and it's like, oh come on Come on there. They're about to announce her together and run in Hyrule together. No No, she just wasn't willing to go there Nintendo won't give us exactly what we want exactly but and also you have to look at the signs I Don't care how much a male is your best friend and how much he cares about you He's not jumping through timelines He's not running all around different different shrines trying to get stronger He's not beaten a big badass to come save you. I don't care how close to good friends. You are I mean, yes It's Link's job But the real thing about link though is he with the ex with with the exception of a few games The way tears of the kingdom is kind of built he goes worse Zelda is if He could have gone back in time and just chilled with her he would have let Hyrule burn. I do believe that There's that that's a little bit more speculative But at the very least let's just let's let's all agree to disagree there at least BFFs who are roommates Okay, that's fair. That's fair. Okay. Okay. Okay. We have another The noxious wants to come hang out for a bit Pat, do you have anything else for us that we can discuss with you love you call back to later? Well, so we know Nate's favorite game is tears of the kingdom choices is a link to the past on dress Um, so for years it was awkward of time and leading up to release her tears of the kingdom I Replayed breath of the wild again, I have played it multiple times, right? But I would wrestled with the idea should breath of like for this entire switch generation I've wrestled is breath of the wild my favorite game now And so when I did that final like master mode run and all the cool things I can do how it all came together I came to the personal decision that you know what breath of the wild is my favorite cell the game of all time and now I'm like Oh, well, what about choosing the kingdom? We're just choosing the kingdom rank and so seven years from now We're about to put it next to the game. Oh, maybe I'll have a different opinion But I'm gonna give it a breath of the wild for now. Nice. Nice. Yeah, there was great talking to you all Thank you for having me on Of course, of course Man See you later. Bye. Bye. All right. Oh god Super chats here while we wait for Venatis to get in Ari said for five hours. No mutated. I just want to send a super chat also first time see enjoy CJ in a video She wasn't her Zelda podcast once Nice to meet you might not have been here for that Favorite dungeons, I think you one time you called in as well. I think you just went on camera. I was only around camera. Cool Yeah, it happens favorite dungeon for them is sitting in the sky. What's our favorite Mine is no peak ruins and and if we're talking specifically Twilight Princess, it's no peak runs Link to the past all of them All of them. That's the answer all of them. That are my favorite There's not a boring Like I I have I struggle just to think about the best dungeon per game You're asking me the best dungeon across all games Yeah That is still Whipping hard hard for me. I already don't pick don't pick one. Andre. It'll hurt. It hurts too much. We're short is mine Sky keeps skyward sword Honestly, I've never thought about this. No, I really I just that's part of part of the problem I haven't like I haven't Break him. All right. We need to move on. We're gonna break ours. Wait, wait. No, but let me I don't get to speak on it It's still a dungeon thing. We're good No, let me let me at least say I'll just I'll just put out some some thoughts. All right Ancient cistern Special special dungeon, right? Um What I love Ancient cistern special for yeah, the the thing is There's a lot of really good dungeons, but the the final boss is a little mid And so that any any dungeon that has a mid boss to me can't win, right? Like sitting in the sky Love the music. Love the the getting to it. Love the overall structure There's some a little annoying little things but the final boss and the final boss is a dragon Which is a win, but it's a small dragon. Actually, it's a wyvern. So I mean in the corner for it For what for calling it a wyvern No, because I just hate sitting in the sky. I hate that whole dungeon. Oh, well, I mean go ahead honey. Go ahead I'm not I'm not saying sitting in the skies is that highly ranked. I'm just using as an example Um, you know, like there's certain metrics, but ancient cistern You know, it has a cool Story behind it. It makes you wonder about the history of the dungeon I think that's really important for a dungeon when you enter it and you're asking questions about its history And why things are there and so I think that's valued and so ancient cistern has that but it also has different tiers, right? There's the underground. There's the heaven. So there's this huge theme to it as well. There's variety to it There's interesting puzzles and unique uses of of your items And then the final boss is one of the best final bosses in Zelda history Coloptos, right? So like it's it's it's definitely up there. I would say it's the best dungeon in skyward sword I don't know about in the series, but it's in that conversation um You know, I'm gonna say something and this might guess might get me a little bit of heat But there are two dungeons in tears of the kingdom that I freaking loved, right? um, I really did like um the wind temple In uh tears of the kingdom and it really did like the lightning temple in tears of the kingdom for different reasons But they both had very cool approaches to the dungeons like the lead-ups to them Especially the wind temple with all the platforms and but then the the dungeons themselves Okay, maybe maybe wind temple dungeon is not extremely good like the dungeon itself But the boss fight is and the music is and so that that it's very good Yeah, the music lightning temple though has a good lead-up. Maybe not the best way but a good lead-up with the You know the the the region zombies and then the boss appearing in the front of the dungeon and working with reju But the actual pyramid inside I felt like was the most zelda dungeon of the zelda dungeons in tears of the kingdom And the boss fight at least for me where I was from a health perspective was actually very hard I died several times was the hardest boss in the game for me. Uh, so that's a really good one but I'll throw out one more dungeon and and that'll shut up because I could talk about all the dungeon I could I could we could do it. We could do a zelda dungeon podcast That would be sweet. We could and they're gonna be more than one episode. Let me write. Let me write that down Yeah, I mean captain captain burgerson. That's that's his youtube career talking about zelda dungeons One game Yeah, um, but I'll I'll mention one more that's really good. So I'm not picking a favorite. I'm sorry. I can't But no, you can't the forest temple in ocarina of time Yeah, all right. All right hot shot, but uh forest temple in ocarina of time Is also one of the best dungeons ever it it hits me it hits all the metrics very high It's it's locked away deep deep into the woods and you can run into it as a child accidentally Right. Actually, there's there's a moment where you kind of have to um, and so that's really cool. It's teased Way to get to it and you look at it and you're like, how do I get there? And you don't realize it and take a hug shot. You're like, wait a second Oh, I can enter this really ancient looking like ruin temple, right? And then you get into it and it's spooky It's eerie there. It's it's actually a little challenging to sort out how to go about navigating it Um, but it has its own unique theme. It's and the the music. Oh one of the beds. It's so good. I love the theme Love it. Love it fun fact about me The forest temple theme Has been my uh ringtone for 10 years Yep. All right the occasional time I take it off silent. Yeah All right, and just I'll finish. I'm sorry. I just want to finish the thought right? Oh, I'm sorry You got the put you got the posisters, right? So that's that's a really interesting like mid boss It's throughout it's like happening throughout the entire fight and you're asking questions Like who are these posisters? Like what's their history, right? And then when you get deep down there You run into you think is gannon and you're like I was shitting bricks as a kid because like, oh my god. I am not ready for this And it turns out to be like a demon puppet version of him Which is even creepier. It's an epic fight. That's actually kind of hard if you don't get your perspective, right? So this considering this came on 98 where we're still figuring out camera controls in 3d games That made it even harder And then when you beat him gander if he's like, oh you couldn't you can only barely beat my puppet And then the puppet has this gruesome painful death. And so There's just so much there and then you meet sorry at the end. All right. So it's it's I don't know. I might I'm almost talking myself into into My favorite, but it's a it's a really really good one. Anyways, I'm done. I'm sorry. I delayed being so much That's all right Uh, we have special caller coming in remember you guys can call on as well if you're members All the details down in the description, but not the 712 I was going buddy It's it's going can you hear me? Hey Yeah I just want to say that um I know what it feels like to be Eric now Because I was waiting backstage there for like 10 minutes to talk sorry No, it's okay. No, that's my fault. I'm sorry, buddy. No, you're good. I'm just blessing. I'm just messing. What's up? I Was thinking As I was reading the chat and as I was listening to y'all talk, um, Joyce jay I cannot agree more on your take on the city in the sky. I think it's boring I think it's First time that I played it that The music killed me And so that's not what I want to talk about, but I just wanted to point that out I thought it was funny. I was gonna actually ask you can't we at least agree that music is good No Hey, listen everyone could have different opinions. That doesn't mean we can't be happy with each other No, um, Andres, that's just misinformation. Um, anyway, go ahead. I love you, Andres You're my favorite nephew Beautiful, um, he's my favorite nephew So I'll take it. I want to stir the pot a little bit Um, go for it and just be devil's advocate for a minute. You're a stir the pot by hating the All right Hey, it's my thing. I got that hard opinions on music. So let's do it. Um, but give me like So we hear all the discussion around tears of the kingdom about The good and the bad and a lot of the bad is focused on the story, obviously, so I guess my thought is just to have the conversation here because I've listened to Nate talk about this over and over again about his thoughts of why he thinks it's Good and why he I'm trying to think of the right way to put it but Just to kind of open up the question because I've been listening to some of those who have had some less than kind thoughts about the story and the overall narrative, I guess you could say of tears of the kingdom And I just like to open up the debate if I guess can I can I go first? Sure Wait, I'm still a little confused about the question. I'm sorry. I'm answering messages We have a lot of people action. I mean is is the basic question. Well, let's get there. Let's get that straight first Is the basic question is Our thoughts on the story of tears of the kingdom on on whether why it's good or why it's bad Yes, and I want to try to play devil's advocate for those who have that that they have a big problem with it Sure So wait when you say you want to play devil's advocate for why are you arguing that it's bad? Are you arguing this good? I'm going to argue that it's bad. Okay. Okay. Cool. But I don't actually believe it So I'm going to try to play devil's advocate. Love it That is a healthy Believing one thing but playing it from the other side. I think I'm giving you too much So For me, right? Um, what I kind of make of the situation is that I I think Tears of the kingdom's story and by design Is what you make of it We were just talking about the relationship between link and zelda and we were just talking about how While there are plenty of signs that you can take to mean. Oh, yep. They're in a relationship. They live together nintendo does do things in a way where You can choose to think that they're just friends Right and so it's just that's kind of a lot of the way they handle things and maybe There is I think there's definitely certain things to criticize about the story like 100 percent The retell of the imprisoning more I think they should have you should have had unique cutscenes at the end of the dungeon as opposed to the same one basically That was a lost opportunity but Ultimately for me, right while there are little things like some characters don't recognize link and things of that nature I really enjoyed The flashbacks I thought they're even what they're way better done than breath of the wild the acting was superb I love seeing the other characters like raru and sonia But then also there was story happening Not just with the flashbacks, but as you did the different dungeons going to different going to different areas With link and what was going on with that and then the you had the survey corpse, right like there is So many different like other little stories happening at the same time and I felt like it made everything more rich And I also think that they did a good job Or a better job at least of kind of building up ganondorf because not only did you have the flashbacks But you also had phantom ganond who would follow you throughout the game And then you had the the puppet ganond that was pertaining to be zelda throughout the game And then that the epic scene that happens in hierocast when you finally get to it and how she beckons you And it's clearly used again is using zelda to manipulate link like that's some crazy stuff But then you also have the multiple monologues Of ganondorf But then also your friends the sages who come in and you build the relationships up relationships up with them And let me not miss like pointing out the epic prologue to the game Which I think is one of the best prologues ever seen in games period in my personal opinion But then also the way the game closed with the final bosses and how link Um got to reunite with zelda and then that final epilogue scene all that together to me It left me in awe Almost in tears. You can go back watch my live stream. Like I did it live the very end and so I don't know for me. That's the story that I chose to experience the way I chose to interpret things Um, I thought it was a magical. I thought it was amazing But I also understand that some people may not have wanted to see things that way They may have saw certain issues that took away from their personal immersion And I can kind of see why some people come at it from a negative perspective Um, but that's not the way I chose to see it. I saw too much good to to let that impact it for me Okay I'm gonna answer this message and I'm going to give my answer Or natin you want to give an answer first? I'm sorry. I feel like we're leaving you out So he's gonna play devil's advocate. Do you have a response to what he said? So actually I figured out what my actual question was because I actually phrased it wrong. So oh sure So I guess the real question was and what led into this my idea for this was just Do you think tears of the kingdom is a good sequel? Because that plays into story and many other things In which you touched on some some of that Choicey jays got some strong opinions there extremely strong um Define a good sequel I don't I like tears of the kingdom by itself I don't like it as a sequel because Okay, y'all go and hear me say this for a millionth time Uh, andre might only be your second time hearing me say this. I'm a writer. I love to write. It is my happy place It is my cathartic place. Okay. It's the only reason why I'm a little bit same You have to There has to be continuity It makes absolutely no sense why there is no reference to anything that happened before Zelda you don't miss your friends your champions that all died that were you know Doing the whole sos chant as they died in the divine beast. You don't miss them. So y'all ain't gonna talk about them. Okay um Suddenly certain people don't remember link who we know we talked to Okay, um, what? What what what what what's happening here? Okay? I I didn't like that at all Okay, so that's what drive me crazy The other thing I will say about the story itself is I We already I kind of felt like we already did memories in breath of the wild While we got to do memories again Granted, there's zelda's memories and I love having more of zelda zelda present but Why couldn't we do real-time stuff? You know what I mean real-time stuff though. We did but the story itself is mostly told through You're saying the the significant real time in the past I will say to counter to counter that. I think I see what andres is trying to say is like The cut scenes for the most part are memories But the story itself I think that sometimes when I've heard people talk about this and talk about how The story quote unquote is bad Like for both breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom if they're talking about the memories But the story is more than just the memories Like true you're doing things outside of the cut scenes It's actually I was I watched I don't remember. I think it was zeltik a while ago made a Made a video about the best zelda cut scenes and one of the points he made was a in reference to Some interview or whatever that mia moto did 20 years ago, which he probably doesn't even believe anymore. Who knows? Um That where he said somebody that's to the effect of that he doesn't necessarily like the idea of having cut scenes be the way people experience story in video games because his I guess the philosophy was that you're being taken out of the game And almost in a way even though it's not exactly this way But you kind of get that feel when you start watching a cut scene you put the controller down and you just start watching it Like a movie Which is not a bad thing But there can be a sense Like I get the sense when I play sony games I don't really like playing a lot of current sony games because that's what it feels like a lot of times It's like I'm watching a movie. I'm not really playing a game and I know that's a Big generalization, but it's just kind of what some of those games are like them that that is kind of I feel the same way Yeah, so I think the point to counter joist a little bit of joist what joist is saying is like The memories can be good, but they're not the whole story, but I think the point One of the things that I've heard I think you mentioned is just like there's just inconsistencies I find with Certain things and tears came so like for instance terry town Let's not even go to a channel. Let's go to terry town It feels like at least from what I remember and I didn't spend a whole lot of time in terry town That the only people who actually knew who you were was hudson and rotson but You if terry town exists in this game Which it does and all the people who were brought in there through the side quests were brought there Are you it's it's yeah, it's conceivable that then they're assuming The events of that side quests were done where you brought them in And yet they don't seem to know who you are Which is Like I don't know about you, but if some random guy Just showed up and told me about this town where I went and my entire life was changed I'd probably remember who that was Yes, you know It's things like that. I think that are problematic to it being a sequel Because there's inconsistencies from one to the next Sure. I I don't Go on. I'm sorry. I was just gonna say real quick. I want to make it really clear I like the story of tears in the kingdom. Um, I got very Teary-eyed and I got all emotional because I was like everything was like, oh my gosh, they're so cute You know, um, I loved the little part at the end where where you have to catch her That was a very big deal for me very emotional and it was playable. It was a playable cut scene It was a playable cut scene and the music We could that's a whole other podcast in it. So that's just three hours just discussing that one part Um, yeah, but I did like it's just that I I I dislike Not having continuity and that's just what bugs me as a writer and a very very big reader I don't start a series Just it just to so the main character Isn't remembered for not really a great reason and then people and then also what also kind of bugged me as well The people who didn't know him like pura She's almost like dude. Where have you been? I'm like You weren't worried. You weren't concerned I mean, I'm your friend. I'm your friend too are like the badass Right You already saved hydro once you are doing your shit so Age of calamity There's a scene where all the knights are like rooting for link to just eat a whole bunch of rocks or something And he does he just does it and no one's worried for his health because link is a is a specimen Right like he's true. He's he's a monster. He must have drank a lot of milk with some strong teeth Yeah, but he's cows. Those cows were not cows. It was the bison milk. He was drinking Yeah, those were that's Lionel milk Yeah, probably that doesn't make sense by the way um But but I but I do as individually I do like the story and I will argue that tears of the kingdom is the game the fans built because what did we all Quote-unquote complain about for Breath of the Wild. There's not enough to do. There's not enough side quests. There's not enough story We got all the things in tears of the kingdom. We got all the things Way more bosses. Um It creeped me out more It creeped me out in the depths every time I would just just be walking along and then so I would hear Something creep up behind me in the background. It freaked me out. I loved it. Um I I got sick of guardians. I'm not gonna lie in Breath of the Wild after a while that piano music I'm just like I get annoyed instead of scared gloom hands never fail to scare me. Oh So there's a lot of good things The the later on I get in Breath of the Wild I love going find guardians and just reckon like it's it's funny to see the progression When you first start to when you end where you're like you're avoiding them and then like I would go out and actively go to Hyrule Castle Town just to have some fun And just like destroy stuff Um, it's funny you mentioned the depths. I actually I think the depths initially were really cool and there's a lot there. I think that is awesome Like the atmosphere is really well made Um You know the spirit temple is what it was. I didn't find it was that egregious Some people think it's the worst thing ever, but um, I thought it was decent, but I honestly after a while I just When I realized that all the light routes Tell you where shrines are on the surface Especially like some of the ones in caves Like I just started making tons and tons of hovercrafts and stuff and just gliding around the depths to just get those and not do anything else because it was just like I know it it was big but There wasn't a lot to do in the depths Other than that like there was a there was the coliseums Um Yeah, it's just yeah Yeah, I mean, I think that kind of where we're kind of goes back to where we're talking about with pat Like I do think there should be more variety and in kind of depth, right? Like I think there's pun intended Um, but uh or it was actually not intended but anyway, um kind of going back just to like the the story stuff though Right, like I agree that there are little things throughout series the kingdom that are potentially immersed immersion breaking Right. And so I do think that is a big part of the issue, right? Like how some characters don't recognize you Um, like I I get that Um, for me, it wasn't a big deal because I was just like, oh, okay This is a video game whatever like I I just kind of look past it like my suspension of disbelief was not broken by that Right. Um, because I mean there are there are ways you can head cannon out of that, right? Like you could just think of it. Well, it's been years Um since breath of the wild And so that can help explain some of that, right? Maybe link is a little secretive about his relationship with delta because of the whole royalty thing So there are ways you can head cannon out of some of this stuff, right? But that's me Going through the hoops and hurdles and I understand that Um, it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier how I think it's kind of what you make of it Right. Some people don't want to do that And maybe that's something that I was taking into consideration because had they just taken the time To make it so people recognize link because like people could recognize link I'd still not know that he's in a relationship with zelda right like those are two separate things They don't have to be connected. Yeah. Um, so like I I I agree there there are rooms for there's room for improvement And I kind of what's interesting is that I think they did play around with a little bit this idea Because when you're able to do different things out of order You then have to start thinking about okay How do these certain mpcs respond to you to based on what you do? And so to kind of to your point about purr, right? She has different responses based off where you're at in the game And some of it's kind of it's it is sort of Constructing the way depending on what you've done But there's just so much variety to that that it perhaps they weren't willing to put in enough of the work To kind of fit enough scenarios to where it because it does eventually get immersion breaking There are a few moments you're like, well, why didn't you know I did this already? Right like there's that point in the game where you already know what happened to zelda But they're like, oh, well what happened to zelda? We don't know and link knows link knows he's like, oh, I'm not telling you suckers There's a little bit of that you can argue um link's just really bad at reading the room I mean link could also could be it could be a little bit of a dollar like that There's there's there could be a bit of that right like we the player may know But link may have experienced the memory was like, huh. I wonder who that dragon is Kind of reminds me of zelda, but it's probably not her, you know, like Right, she's in a hole and that's how you find gander. I knew it. She was in a hole knew it from the beginning Oh, wow Yeah, I I just can't even process what time is or time travel. He's just like, oh, so it's a hole time travel's a hole But yeah, what were you saying? I see uh, well, I see that nate is trying to get me out. So, um I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding It's not that it's just that we're actually a little bit busier than we anticipated So we're actually going to have to put a timer on this and we didn't want to Yeah, I'll just say Just one more thing because I'm about to go hit the hit the hay anyway, but um I think the big the problem as y'all were kind of hinting at is that It seems like they were trying to make it as much as possible to our tears of the kingdom Could be welcoming for someone who is it's their first game And in some ways like That made it not a good sequel like the fact that I don't know if that influenced that but it felt like it's almost like that the ones that they're trying to do It's like they are trying to assume that either you come in with no experience of any prior Zelda game or all the experience of every prior Zelda game or Even you've just played Breath of the Wild, but you haven't done every side quest or everything. So it's like Yeah, there's almost this feeling of like Emptiness within the cohesion of the They try to do is a sequel. Yeah Because there is evidence of Breath of the Wild, right? Like anyone who says that it's never happened Obviously, there's exaggeration that occurs, right, but it's a mixed way This topic's gonna come in my pocket. I just wrote this down. This topic needs to be further It needs to be further discussed I'm just giving you more content, you know, there you go. Oh, yeah Thank you so much for hanging out with us been artists. We so appreciate it Yeah, man, and I and I am gonna head off to bed. So y'all have fun. Good night, man. Have a good night. Have a great night Okay, um, ladies and gentlemen, what up you by saying great, right better than my good Yish, you're my favorite nephew. Andre. It's all right. Okay Okay, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say fantastic next time try one-upping that Oh, do you want a hug? No, I'm good. Oh my gosh. Okay. Okay. It's gonna say I'll send Nate over there. Anyway, um, ladies and gentlemen of the chat Um, my two favorite nephews both of them are my favorite nephews. They are gonna keep y'all entertained I have to make a run real quick. I will be back in two minutes. Okay Sounds good. Y'all hold it down Yeah, we got it. So, uh Another thing to note as well for people who could be calling in the members are gonna be calling in We are limiting it now to 10 minutes because apparently we have quite a few people trying to get in Uh, so future calls. We're gonna we're gonna try really hard to keep it down to 10 minutes I'm gonna run it on a timer. So I'm not gonna be like a dick about it. I'm gonna be that guy. Yeah, I kind of move this thing along Uh, but The music at the game or whether the Oh, yeah, the music please. Please hurry up. Please hurry up. Please get out of here All right Please kindly kick like get the hell out of my house Let me give you four of the next whenever Torus wants to get in until then, uh, we have uh, Jorge FD did a five L super chat earlier today and considering what Alnuma and the Zelda team have talked about Doing all they wanted to do but here's a kind of a breath of wow. Do you believe them in that regard? I'll go first personally. I do think like When they said we did everything we want to do I actually think they meant it. They spent a lot of time making this game And I really think every idea they had for this particular world They put it in there Yeah, no, I I think um It I think it's it's um The important distinction here and you you mentioned it Nate for this particular world And that that's the difference, right? Like they definitely have other ideas They definitely have other ideas they want to do But I actually literally said I already have ideas for the next Zelda game. Yeah, yeah, very Exactly. Um, it's it's more so just about For the vision that they had for tears of the kingdom They don't feel like they left anything Behind they they did they they matched the vision. They don't have any regrets about what they did for tears of the kingdom Yeah, at all. So like that's one of those things I think that comes out when people like Do we really believe there won't be dlc? I have no idea, but they said they used all their ideas I'm presuming they're already working on the next Zelda And my thing too is that if there was a new system coming They want to get working on the new zelda asap. They don't want to waste time making dlc I actually think this um ties into My theory about archery and time remake, right? Where should I say our theory? Just in the sense that we're together just talking about it last year. Yeah Yeah, I mean, I mean the rumor's been around for a couple of years, right game over I don't know what's hard to do when you keep joining and leaving. What's up, buddy? You okay over there? I got you whenever you're ready You can join in but you can just start talking, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, he just keeps hopping into the leaving I don't know if you try trying to sort it out. Um Yeah, but I guess the only point I was just getting at there is that, you know By nintendo and this whole team not doing focusing on dlc. They're moving on to their next projects, right? So one of them one of them is obviously the mainline zelda, but like it's kind of like for example Pokemon Skyrim and Violet, right? They this past year they they kind of like the in-between stuff is the dlc And so like you could look at if they had tears of the kingdom dlc They could have had that be like, oh, that's a 2024 content or what happened, you know But by not doing that that opens the door for something else being kind of the next zelda thing And so, you know, maybe you want to look at the effort that they could have put into dlc As maybe the effort they might put into like, um, you know, maybe new content in octane time remake For example, if that happens if that happens, that's just a theory. Um Again theory, but uh There you go. There you go Right and then obviously I also all hands on deck for for mainline zelda, you know I think if there's a remake happening it would be an outsource team, but maybe some overseeing Yeah Yeah, exactly if torus is ready this time I'll hit add and see what happens It's not torus. You there. Hey There he is I can't hear torus. You can't hear him. No I was just you saying I wasn't any left. Yes. I he's he's still sorting it out Okay, I hope that he sorts it out. He was really looking forward to this this event We'll figure it out. Yeah, it's okay. I mean you could you could do it from your phone at even right Yeah, you could do it from your phone. Yeah, like your phone It simplifies the the equation you just jump in and it usually just works. Yeah I've literally done it from my phone before so Yeah I'm back. I uh at least uh on the I'll I'll turn my camera back on Actually interesting jake jake um yesterday probably should have joined the done the podcast from his phone Hmm I told I I mentioned it to him that it'd be a higher quality video feed if he would just use this phone It wasn't really a problem though. I know Yeah, it sounded the same as normal. Yeah, it was fine. He's like, well, I have a better mic I don't want to make you sound the same because you're always like 10 feet back from your mic, dude So like it doesn't it doesn't really sound any different Uh shout out to king frost by the way Just throw that out there. His membership just re-up eight months in a row. Thank you so much, buddy. Shit this part Yeah, I'll do it. I'll do a shot to that because we have a super chest in here that I can't do because it's for joy see I'm here. I'm just not um on camera. Just yet. I'll be there in a minute. I'm trying to fix something Can you hear me? Yeah Oh Adam and again You there torus. Hello. I am here. Can you hear me? Hello? I can hear him You can't be heard And it kicks him out again Oh my god, is this stream yard? Maybe get off your wi-fi. Maybe it's a wi-fi issue You can try just going to your phone on uh, he's he's telling me that it keeps kicking him out The stream yard keeps kicking him out He said it in the chat too. You could try a different browser as well I don't really know what other tips to give. I've never had this happen before so Yeah, I'm telling him to use chrome because I know safari and uh firefox can be funny This was a question for you joy see from chris lancer. What would be your ideal next zelda game? Obviously try to keep it short Um, I'm not gonna lie to y'all cyberpunk zelda would be lit, but I don't think fans went ready for that I think andre and I would would totally be able to handle it But for the fan base as a whole that I don't think that's a smart We already got a motorcycle maybe I've already talked about it before but like my my ideal zelda is like a mix like cyberpunk, but also Outside the cities. It's like all really ancient giant forests and just giant creatures Be epic um one of the combo of what tears of the kingdom is and shadow of the cloth Lily's gonna come back. Awesome. Not lily. Um, torus is gonna come back and I'm trying to find lily's message. Oh, there she is I'm sorry guys. I'm trying to Lily if you can hear me sweepy i'm dm and you right now Oh darn, I just realized But torus is gonna come back You left the pod on No, I told people I would show ruby on my on my live stream at the end and I didn't oh You can show her now That means that means that means at the start of your next stream ruby better just be there right away Yeah, just let her introduce you There you go. Just start the stream just ruby only That'd be fun. She's just looking the mic like I have no idea what's going on Do it now All right I'm like what is going on are we got a little young ready to go. Let's get a little young up in here Hello Hi We love lily around here. She's like she's she's my niece. Did I have um video? Yeah, you're good. Yes. You look good. Hello Hello, what's your question? You got uh 10 minutes here. Let me get the timer going Hello lily. Did you just did you freeze? Did we lose her? Not lily It's my baby girl What a disconnected Looks like a disconnect. That's okay. I messed up my timer anyways We delete that timer that is not timer. I want it not 10 seconds. That would have been way too quick No, there we go. We start it pause. All right Well, we're gonna try to get her back guys. We're gonna get her in here Hello It's clock and stream the eyes it's tripping. I think I don't even think it's it's them I think it's spring. I'm gonna And then and that'll give her a fresh reset when she comes in Give her a fresh reset If it starts failing too bad I can have people call me on discord. They can at least Video or at least audio in all right. I think she's back Yay Okay Hi again, okay And there it goes All right, lily This was a great idea when stream the eyes was working I mean, we were two for two and now we're two for oh, yeah, it's got a 50% right now Um lily if you want you could just uh hit me up on On a discord and I can get you in through there. I can say the same to torus too Well lily's trying to give a video. Let's see Let's see if it keeps you here Do not kick her Okay, I'm just gonna show off my rainbow embrace that I made that's self-inspired that I made tonight Through the stream That is cool. Thank you Yeah, so I love it. I've no And never went I don't know why it's doing that. At least we got to see But but you guys can uh Just have them DM me on discord You know Okay, I might even be able to show them on screen. I can show them on screen actually So if you guys want a video and I can still do that too and That we don't lie in the chat and it's no connection It's so crazy to two for two then oh for I don't know what's going on I mean ideally We'll still try to get you into the stream yard thing and then if it it fails for the new people We'll just instantly just say hey I'll just go to discord So, you know, it's a game series that uh, I think zelda fans would actually really like if they haven't tried it before Wait, say to nandre. I'm sorry sweepy Do you know what's a what's a what's a game series that I think a lot of zelda fans would really like That they may not have played before What's that? Well, recently two entries in the series came out on the nintendo switch online The matter theory golden sun I'm just saying golden sun is pretty good. Yeah, I need to play it Yeah, you should I it was interesting because um, I decided to start it. Um When it came out and then last night I should have gone to bed um after nade stream, but but I I like I always I get like a snack I might watch anime or something right and so I actually Sometimes I watch crunchy roll on my playstation The app's not on my tv because I don't know crunchy builds weird like that But sometimes I watch on my switch and so I turned on my switch because it's just been running better lately and I forgot they had left golden sun on and so Instead of watching something I was just like, oh Maybe I'll just play gold like I had like pop charts and I just started eating as I was playing golden sun And then before I knew I played golden sun for like two like almost three hours Um straight into the night and I was like, oh, this is sick because the beginning sequence is so crazy, but um I don't know golden sun's really cool because it's an rpg, right? It's it's but it it Especially for like game boy advance like the visual style is really like It's really ambitious for a game boy advance game. Um, but it has kind of like that very fantasy Style in like older times, um, which you know is similar to zelda But like there's actual like there's like a lot of like dungeon stuff going on too Like you move around like puzzle things and you do some platform jumping kind of like a zelda game um And and so it has a little bit of that but also has kind of like that kind of mythical magical story as well I don't know it has a little bit of zelda in it. Um, even though it's it's like a jrpg at the same time and Just really cool music and and like fights and story So yeah, if you have nintendo switch online expansion pack game boy advance Try golden sun I'm just gonna I'll call him it has the ability to suck you in right like, you know when the when the game kind of just draws you golden sun drew me in like Yeah Hello Tourist I probably can't hear me. I'm like settings or not, right? Uh, I don't even know what to do Just set it to everything Like everything the same setting That's always smart glue like He's not talking either. So no wait, I heard somebody say hello tourist Oh I heard Talk See this is why this is why like you find out what's going on apparently I suck at this Let's try. I don't think it's you. Let me try. Let me try to join with my phone and just see if I could be me Give it me. It's probably my fault I'm leaving and I can put internet connection over Well, I mean he does he does like city in the sky. So I mean All right, and I'm gonna try joining with my phone and just see if see if it kicks me out see if it's a It's a local issue if it's a phone issue what it is Because the other person I joined from his computer And if we have to we'll just get real real real ghetto and we'll do it like we always do Take questions in the chat Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to join to what happens. Oh my mic and cam access. Yes Let's double me up because this is smart. Um display name I see Now you got multi and Now we can't hear you and I I see ruby ruby's gonna run the stream. Um until we can get our technical issues figured out Here's ruby So maybe it's maybe it's when you join with a phone That's weird. I wonder if it's just a phone. You know what let me act like I'm adding eric to the stream Because then if it works on my computer on my own Wi-Fi, then it literally could just be a phone issue So maybe we should make a lot of noise there Don't join with the phone apparently it doesn't work Oh Um, we were good when strewt went through This is literally just computer joining and I'm just gonna put the oven to preheat by the way And what he's saying is he's gonna be dipping out soon so he can eat I didn't say that I said it's okay for you to get a snack so he can't eat on stream. It's totally cool What do we call that snack That's not a snack of the meal. Yeah, I'm probably eat the whole box That's how it becomes a meal I I went to the gym um before we start all the live stuff. So I have extra I need to eat something. All right Guys torus is grabbing his laptop. Yeah, it might be a computer thing and Having hope might a dm do you mate? Mishant k just for the record I also think a lot of zealot fans that are big very story centric fans. I should definitely play zeno blade as well But I would say golden sun is closer to zelda than zeno blade because of the dungeon stuff But uh, yeah zeno blade from a story perspective gives gives you a lot of that more it gets more so zeno blade like It's like the most it's like it's almost like a non nintendo game because of how story centric it is Long cut scenes that you cannot interact with Yeah, it's like watching Streamlabs is kicking phones Uh, okay, just brought to a rep too and I kept my computer connected till I kicked it out So if you're gonna call in tonight make sure that you have uh a laptop or Something you might not kick your tablets that I have no idea but it kicks phones kicking phones right now Me yeah Literally you already have the link you can literally rejoin me. Yeah, I'm gonna double in Double in my i'll meet my mic just so we don't have experience Double the andre Um, he said someone's dm me Uh, yeah, I think it's having hope I have no request at the moment Yeah, if you're gonna call in try to try to grab a laptop or something. No work better It definitely I mean you could try a tablet that I don't I don't have one on me right now But it definitely kicked my phone but did not kick my computer Like I let me join and it was fine. Just like a lily and then it wanted me out Okay, well the timer doesn't matter There's nobody here at least it's pretty set up. Um Charles Trudeau would like to come on for a technical discussion I'm gonna let y'all handle that And I know I don't know nothing about my tape. So I don't uh, Nate I don't know if you saw but I added myself for a second and then uh, it It crashed. Yeah, okay Yeah, but I saw an alter. I saw potential alternative though. It gave me an option to download an app So maybe if you do the app it might work Okay, that's why downloading that they used to not have an app. So maybe that's why maybe that's why Yeah, because actually, uh, it didn't nor I think normally I used to just be able to click in It actually direct me to use safari because I'm on my iPhone and then use a link there So it actually it was already putting me through hoops and then it was like no, no Maybe yeah, I bet you they said grab the app because it's better on their servers or something Probably so I'm gonna try I'm gonna try downloading the app real quick But uh, yeah, the app works smooth and sweet And that then that's all it is if so I'm gonna try that to test it out Also that gives me more camera angles It does. Hey, uh, we have charles already ready to come in technical man. Mr charles trudel Hey charles, how are you? Hi charles? I'm gonna give you 10 minutes you bastard. All right, let's go Very good I think we're getting a little lag Yeah, you like so Okay, so that's good. I'm going to trust in you the you too so that way. Yeah, that's perfect Yeah, that's right place and I come back good. Yeah, you're good, man basically My little segment I thought to do was uh more of a technicalities Analysis of what happened before and what you can do next And I'm going to just start with the most simple thing Do you all remember the developers surprise at tears of the kingdom lunch? yes Developers were shocked at how well everything just worked. Yeah That's it. They were shocked And there's two reasons for that It's because no one actually tried to do this on even hardware four to five times the power of the switch Or in the case of the city's s and I'm saying the city's s eight times the power so If developer were already shocked By what they did on something that was basically just two times more powerful than I needed was 360 I Will go For that team When they would actually have access to an over that I'm seeing Going right now. Yep so This is just the meaning of the discussion because if we start with this simple aspect We have to do quite the The moon IDs like hey for its reason the next game is a freaking science fiction game That's just freaking andry saying yeah, okay, I guess Oh, this is just testing the phone app to make sure it's yeah It definitely looks like this is the issue if you don't have the app So you can still use your phones get the app guys. It's free Okay, the app is on play store game or the ios store. Yeah stream your guest That's the name of the app stream yard guest and it can work and I think this is neat because I could use it to Multiple angles. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah to show ruby off There you go Yeah, she's not enough. She's not in the room right now. She's just left but anyways, okay Stream yard added a an app now so they want you to use the app if you're on a phone So we're good. We figured out the problem Thank you stream yard for never communicating this to me. All right moving on We appreciate it and thank you and raise to make the test for us No problem So to get back to the original discussion So Andres you said you wanted them to go to the moon Yeah Let's go to the moon, baby I I'm just going to say it but like You do realize this is actually possible with the next hour Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I love the point about we have some kind of spanish ship in the next zelda I I wouldn't even be surprised at this point It all depends on all crazy for juvie and she can be And he can be crazy since he decided what we call and you're trying the same game Mono, it's wild Also, there's also that You decide big ass open zone like it's nothing So, but let me just throw this this idea out at you, right? Madura's mask The moon's hovering above you, right? Like it's It's but so imagine a No, weird creepy way like that's pretty much how what it does But like imagine a madura's mask was remade in the tears of the kingdom engine And you would be able to go to the moon Yeah, you literally be able to fly there. There's just one thing though. The moon in my final mass is Is basically a psychological Combat it's like it's not a real physical combat Like obviously what's going on on the moon at the end of the game Is a freaking dream or something? Of course the kind of dream that happens there. You will say I don't know if I need to drink mainly weird Well, yeah, it's mostly because you can easily interpret the whole ending of that game as Link being attacked directly by what post sense the mask And since you destroy the mass in that whatever it is that's going on That's why at the end of the game the mass is no longer post sex Because you destroyed it And in the case of the first day team ass, you literally annihilated As the ending that the mass is no longer possessed by anything evil So because of that ending actually that's why I'm Was already sure when I played that as well that this whole ending sequence was Not necessarily a dream, but minimum What's what's in the mass trying to possess link and they just say bye-bye you dead If we resume But nonetheless if we're talking about the kind of moon that there is in this kingdom in breath and while That was all red Yeah, yeah, well, I think I think it's interesting though. You brought up the technical limitations earlier right because yeah um As you said like developers with more far more powerful hardware Don't think they could pull off Tuesday kingdom with far more powerful hardware And so imagine what nintendo can do with far more powerful hardware Right. That's what i'm saying. I started it all with saying what was there's what was the reaction at the beginning And there was that access With the series this as eight times the power already and with The ps5 on the case of sony dev because even sony is never it's impressive Why i think that impressive Then they have like 12 times the power or something like it's It's unbelievable. What does the teams got about to do with the power? Is going to be They're they're they're about to put can't stop other development studios to shame like Wow, what the the things are going to do with the physics the things are going to do with the gameplay elements going to be awesome It's all depends if fujini phg is as much of a genius as it is, but like It starts well Because basically he did five games right now. He did the two rifles That was a unique concept that they never tried again Which means multiple games that didn't play in this order and the third the last part of the game was basically Completely adaptive was adaptive adaptive Which of our game you started with after that they did Yankee good, perfect. I'm very soon to finish So after that, I know I feel like a dick, but I'm like, hey, no no before we were out of time. It's fine Are the difficult aspect was basically finished, but I was just saying The last part of the argument is does fujimi she will suppress us well it depends And like I said oracles after that they did he did Minish cap minish cap is Basically a randomized because of all the rewards you get in total disorder Then there was sky was worth it was mostly linear, but always big on all kinds of puzzle Then he did the revolution with the wild and then he decided to do all let's just let the people build anything and everything everywhere and have A lot loads of puzzles on top that use those things just for us So basically five game all very very different from each other And the only thing that is a bit similar is between Tuesday Kingdom and Breath of the Wild where Each item missed the point of the sequels aspect of it But beside that they are indeed a bit too much awesome in the same kind of style But like that's the only two games that are a bit similar The rest he does he does done are so absurdly different. It's insane so ideas wise i'm pretty sure we're In for some kind of roller coaster the next time I can't wait. You know what do we know for sure is it will be open air because they said they're continuing that so But what giant so I don't know what right, but maybe Who the hell knows what this guy's got cooking. I can't wait I mean It's the end of my turns. I'm leaving. Bye. What's the pleasure? Love you, Charles All right We got I think jakey's on his way Jake I'm gonna take this opportunity to check my oven Sounds like a good idea I am jealous I'm very jealous. There's like no food in my house I guess I'm gonna get to the grocery store tomorrow with no car I will figure it out I don't know. I just don't want to door dash it in It's a waste of money Like double how much everything costs Um, let's see here Uh, so uh, if you have the the app downloaded you should just be able to tap on the link Uh, once you have the app open tap on the link from joey c and it should load up like we have Jakey coming in. This is the person right? Yep I think I was able to grab something. If you guys are So that's right I assume he's coming back. He's but that's all right. He ever says goodbye I'm coming back Jakey Andre'll be back. He had to go get food Hey No, I think he did he he said he was gonna download it. Oh, okay. We'll give we'll give my mama. We'll give my mama Okay That's all we're trying again, obviously guys. It'd be a lot easier if you guys just have laptops or something No, not everybody does let's try this again. Let's try this again time one more time, right? One more time Hey, dakey. Hello Thank you, thank you so much And just enough time to compliment the stash, baby Just enough time to compliment the stash Streamyards you're making me look bad Well, hold on let me ask him what his question was Yeah, we can at least get the question in for sure. Yeah Let me just ask him what his question is Super chats for shots and all that stuff and you guys can also get your questions in the chat I do it in that way as well as you guys saw earlier I keep staring at this because the debaum hot sauce keeps gathering at the bottom and this scares me I think that $100 shot guys this scares I'm thinking when I was doing shots out of it before I didn't mix it and all the hot sauce went to the bottom Oh Oh boy. Oh boy This is gonna be a fun one the next time we gotta do that. Um The co-host is pretty leet it happens I I do apologize for the technical difficulties again. It's the first time we've ever done this And it kind of sucked that we're having issues. It is what it is. I hope Especially since it normally works On anything else everyone that comes in is always like when we do podcasts. They're always on a computer Um, so we don't deal with phones that much So that's one thing like we know the computer stuff work because everyone who's come on on the computer has been fine Yeah, I'm not working that I have no idea Since it was working fine for Andres Obviously if you guys want to call in using the computer would be a probably a better choice And I think torus is I think torus is up next And if this doesn't work, well if stringer still doesn't want to act right then we'll have you dm made just for tonight Yeah, you still call. I just don't know if you'll be able to hear the other people talking And I can't talk for some reason on discord. It won't let me talk It doesn't like me Which is fine Well, do I see what's your favorite Zelda? My favorite game. Yeah a link to the past forever A link to the past. Let me tell you something. Um They say there is no such thing as a perfect game That's a lie A link to the past is the perfect game and I'm gonna tell you why there is A little secret There's always somebody to talk to there's always a quest. There's always a dungeon There's always a little bit of something something something to do Okay, um Are we still alive? Yeah, no, I added torus and the thief working so And like I said, there's not a boring moment. There's not a dull moment and Still my favorite welcome back sir. I hope you write your pizza I'm sorry. I was being polite. I was letting her talk. Of course. No, yeah, we're good now. I'm on the laptop now. I'm good He's talking to you see Laptop all the problems see we can make this a requirement in the future too that people got to use laptops That would probably make it easier anyways or have the app Or well, someone asked what we're still crashing out. So it worked for me Maybe it's because you're on wi-fi. Maybe people aren't on wi-fi. I don't know. Yeah, jakey's gonna Send me his questions and comments and we will discuss them Sounds good. That's why We'll tweak. I'm just glad torus got in here because I think you've been like the most hype for this stream Yes, all right. Yeah, did I miss any questions? What what are we talking about nothing? This is the this is the one here. We go. All right. Here we go. We got torus Okay, first of all, I'm gonna touch on what joey c said about a link to the past now All the dungeons are good. I did grow up with that game just like you did Hell I got the og so does sitting on my shelf right now but In terms of the best dungeon I'm gonna have to give it It's rough, but I'm gonna have to give it to depth mountain Because if you think about it in terms of difficulty In terms of utility of all the things you get throughout the game It really puts all those skills to the test. So it makes it of Inland link to the past. Okay In depth mountain is very good It's very good very good now I hate to jump on the talk train, but I guess I'm going to since everybody else has been doing it so far Do you think Here's my thing I don't know why people are crying about story. We got more story in this game Then we did in breath of the wild. We got more war in this game What was disappointing to me is is that when you start off in that game and you're going through your different regions You're getting the same cutscene four times and that's oh wait guys guys guys guys real quick Let me tell you about the imprisoning one Um, yeah, go ahead. Sorry Wow, that was random I have to remind everybody about the imprisoning one I won't let you forget it. Okay I'm sorry, so I'm just saying cutscene four times I would have preferred if at least they would have tailored it to the regions they were in That would have made it a lot more interesting Like give me some Gerudo background. Give me some, you know Zora background touch up a little bit more and yes Not a cutscene about like the system the the witches um co-talking co-aime, right? Like that would have been cool or you don't you know, don't even hire another voice actor just give us more of um I don't know who was the Maybe maybe just gander of talking to like different Gerudo people in his own palace, right? And just like showing some of the internal like Issues that may be going on there, right the conflicting two sides, right? The Gerudo people who are good versus the Gerudo people are like no, let's take over the world Like that would have been a cool, um option for for that side, right? Absolutely But I feel like nintendo is missing a lot of opportunities here How cool would it be to have dlc for tears of the kingdom? Post gain beaten and then you can go like for example throw us a dlc that explains what happened to the sheikah stuff Or you know just dive in a little bit backwards that way. There's just So much that nintendo could be racking up on i don't know why they feel like they Just had to stop right there and said this is good enough. There's no dlc Well say it again for us i'm talking about What tears of the kingdom could be versus where it is now because it does have that Once again, like everybody else playing devil's advocate It's a great game It built upon what tears of the kingdom did but it still has that sameness to it You're still going to the quote dungeons. You're still hitting the five switches You're still making your way through it. It's just labeled a dungeon and it looks a lot better But there's that sameness and I think that's where a lot of the arguments of people coming in they're like About tears of the kingdom. Yeah, they cut out the story, but People who are into the lore Got a lot more out of this than they did the last game Well, they had the option to but a lot of people don't feel that way um I'll say that you know The sameness issue right want to call it an issue, right? It's it's a design choice um, you know that you may or may not be a fan of but That is the reason why there is not dlc Because dlc would be more of that What some people are kind of complaining that we have too much of already right and then 10 The result is basically telling you hey, we have we feel the same way. We loved it We're not ready for the next thing and so they're moving on to the next thing and maybe it's not so much Oh, can we because they of course they can But you know at the end of the day these are creative people, right? They have their own visions and so maybe their vision is hey look we did what we Wanted to with tears of the kingdom, right? Not what they could because of there's always potential for more, right? There's no Zelda game in existence that you can't tell me there's nothing they could have added Of course, but you do have to at some point make a decision on when to stop And so they made their decision They gave us a 70 dollar game that's bigger than any other Zelda game in history It even makes breath of the wild look kind of small by comparison, right when you really account for all the things you can do And they're now just call it cut it, you know cut cold turkey, right and just moving on to the next thing It's a double-edged sword when you think about it Nintendo as long as they always put gameplay first Everybody's always going to complain about something in the story in some Zelda game But at the same time if you flip it on its head and go well If nintendo focused on story Would we lose that magic that we always have when we play a zelda game? Will that get cheated somehow because they chose to put story first? Not for me Um you kind of put story first in skyward sword, but that was obviously a very linear game Which allowed them to The linear games are just easier to go super deep a story on Because you control where the player is going all the time Yeah, um I mean I I personally, you know I honestly feel like tears of the kingdom is the best possible direction they could have gone Like i'm actually excited for the future of zelda because everything that they've done has been kind of what I've personally anticipated um And so I just see them continue to moving in that direction, but I think it's a good direction I think they are they took like a lot of people have complained about the story But they did take steps to improve the story in a lot of ways Right that that they factually did that they added more variety to the dungeons they added more variety to the And like they kind of like a lot of things people asked for like joey c brought this up earlier A lot of things a lot of people have asked for in breath of the wild They did do in tears of the kingdom Maybe not enough to what some zelda fans wanted, but they did show That they are moving in a lot of these directions. They're finding ways To combine some of the tropes from pirate zelda games even better to the opener format But they are moving further in that direction, right? And so I anticipate the next zelda game will probably have an even better story than tears of the kingdom Have even better um, you know ways of adventuring and interacting with the world and more variety and more density They're going to find a way to continue to make that better and there's going to be more zelda tropes But it is also going to be its own thing Sure, absolutely. I agree. I would agree with that. I would raise Yeah, like the biggest thing is obviously Assuming they don't do memories again. How they're going to handle the majority of the cutscenes and that's that's what I Uh, because I think I think they're going to leave the memories to These games I think they did the memories again because they just feel like that was a core part of how they built The breath of the wild they kept the same theme did the same thing and said but was zelda's memories is time and said It links memories fine um So I think the next game is going to do away with that and have a completely different way They're going to handle it and that's what I'm really excited for is to see all right We saw what you did with your first couple cracks in open world and you stayed with like a very similar Story beat even though tears of the kingdom Did do some cool things like added multiple main quest lines Which was awesome because there's a lot of extra story you could get by going down all those quest lines um But also I think that they learned from that and they realized okay now we have new ideas and new ways We want to tell this I think the biggest thing with story for this next game is going to have to be How much Are they going to care? Because they keep saying we build our game and we add the story later But if you're going to have that cohesive story through the whole game, you can't do that You've got to keep the story in mind as you build the world and if you don't oh, it's easy to attack memories on after the fact But if you wanted to actually be cohesive throughout your experience or more cohesive like other games Then you have to actually consider the story while designing the game and that is something that The zelda team apparently is never at least the current team is never done because they keep saying oh We we just throw out the world and the mechanics and everything and then we throw the story on and it's like well you can't Do that in an open world without like memories are an easy way to attack a story on But now we don't want it to feel like tacked on we wanted to feel like it's more organic in the world um And maybe I mean look that that could be literally one of who we are she's ideas for the next game Hey, I have an idea for like not just mechanics and gameplay Like I actually have a story direction I want to go and if he already has that Then that's already going to be there at the very beginning of development and we obviously don't know so I mean one cool thing is that you know tears of the king does have a little bit of that right like not There are there are Throughout your adventure that are not in the past and are not the beginning in the end in the present Yep Yeah, so they played around with it and that's like kind of thing that they're just going to go all in I think the seeds of it are there And one more thing I wanted to jump in and say really quick Oh, excuse me. Sorry guys Damn, um to your point though Um, oh I don't want to I don't want to cut off his time. He says he has another question So go ahead Taurus. Yep. Get your question and we'll talk and we'll we set up the next person All right, so the touch up on what you said. Yeah, I think if they put in memories it's going to be burnout because They've used the same Hyrule twice and yes, they added a lot more this time around but Going with the same mechanic and the same kind of Hyrule. It's going to burn people out I think if they want to keep the open world And give it a fresh coat of paint Give me more than Hyrule. There are other kingdoms and other lands out there to explore expand that open world Give me the actual world You want to blow up lore and everything else at the same time? Give me the world. I would you know That's zelda 2 map And here's the thing they can get rid of all these expectations of like reed old village and death mountain because no There's so much more in the zelda world. Like if you actually follow the whole lore There's a much grander world out there than just hyrule It would be really cool if like that is one of the ideas is okay or going beyond And people aren't really not going to know what to expect this time. It should be crazy. I would love that Yeah, you do that once in a while like as majority masses one of the times that they did that where it was a completely different world like That would be so cool, man I imagine if you can sail to terminal or you can Sail to some of the other places some of these other kingdoms and things like that and not only that It could be optional stuff or it could be story related But you know either way it would just be cool to have the world I I like that right that idea though about optional like areas to explore like it would be cool if there were multiple story lines And there is not just necessarily one engine, but maybe several That can all happen concurrently or like the lead up to each one can happen concurrently We're gonna say do you see I was gonna say real quick. So I know we gotta go um, but To everybody's point about the memories is as enjoyable as they were What I when I say real time I think about like maybe Ocarina time We got we saw Impa Taking Zelda away on a horse when Ganon came we saw what what transpired what the world went on as we were sleeping And we pulled the master sword. We got to feel that twist the first time we found out spoiler alert You don't know she could Zelda Um, we got to feel that in real time. Oh, Nate. I'm sorry. That's right. You forget the end in the Ocarina time all the time So here's the thing Do I need do I need to go sit in the corner now? Am I in time? That is savage For those that man you made that man walk away For those that don't know a couple different times in the past Nate has engaged in discussion or a debate where he forgot the ending of the game and that's what led to the debate Even if you beat it a hundred times Unless you dive into it, you're never going to Thank you so much for calling We actually have more requests than we thought we were gonna have but I do agree with this about the memories I totally agree with you. This is like going really well outside of the technical difficulties We'll definitely do something like this again, and we'll just be more prepared next time to tell people. Hey computers, please We'll make it a requirement for the next time Appreciate you guys having me you guys take care. Thank you. Torres much love Now before we go to um samus erin who's going to be calling in next we wanted to Samus Oh, he's breathe breathe, baby breathe um, I wanted to get to jakey's question because he tried to call in and um and stream there is just wants to just make our lives hell and um, He was one with the fabulous mustache. Yes And his question was Fabulous mustaches on this channel. I love it. You know, there are a lot of fabulous mustaches on this channel I I agree with that. Um So his comment was I think zelda side quest would benefit if they dove a little into what souls games do You meet someone during the adventure and they move around from point to point as you advance the story You get to learn about them and their story longer than a simple fetch quest and whatnot I like that Y'all didn't play its old games. What y'all think? No, I like that a lot I think they didn't think they kind of do that already in tears of the kingdom, but maybe not enough I feel like it's kind of like that with terry terry town in breath of the wild When you and adison have not a lord not adison uh, you and hudson have this um Friendship and everything and you're helping him literally build the town Yeah And then and then you get to be at his wedding Well, there's one cool character. I forget his name So maybe he's not that cool, but the guy where you're helping to build the the signs, right? At that's adison. That's who I was confusing right, um, like there's not much story behind him Unless there's something that happens when you do every single sign I haven't done every single sign yet But like you kind of meet him throughout your adventure at different points It would be cool Like they had a little bit of like a story arc to him as well Like that that would be so I do like the idea of having side characters That you meet at different points of the world and as certain events occur You maybe meet them at different points and they have there's something else different to say Or there's something else kind of going on with them So a lot more of that I think would definitely help a lot for sure Cool beans Um, I do enjoy beans I love beans. They're the magical fruit the more you eat They're the better the the better good health you have. Anywho, um Stamis Thank you, Nate Wow, that was I haven't eaten my pizza yet just for the record Kind of from earlier this day. I don't know what you're doing. I've already I've already been on the record for saying I've only eaten agranola bar Uh, oh crap. Did I even send him the link? Oh no Guys, I I'm so sorry. I have like a bunch of requests coming in so I got lost I'm gonna have to check my pizza soon, please do Yeah, don't burn anybody's starving. I've eaten my pizza many times. I've not enjoyed it. No, it's not fun No, I have a timer on my phone. Oh It may still need more time after this as well So it's you know, you know what I did to fix it because sometimes I ignore the timer because I'm busy It just shuts off that makes sense. But for me, I think my timer is my belly I'll be the timer for the belly So he said he said the timer is like my belly is just grumbling Sam, it's if you're in the chat, which I'm sure you are. I just sent you the link and I'm sorry love. I completely just Spaced and I didn't send it to you before All right, and if and if he doesn't um Get in quick enough Paul Gale I have a couple words I don't have a word stay on the subject. We do these workout streams every single monday. I don't he can get up in here Here we go. There he is Aaron rats. How's it going buddy? What's up, buddy? How you doing? I'm going to be back Oh, no You gotta join with the computer buddy even having these issues Computer as soon as I saw him going like this. I was like, oh, it's a phone He said he doesn't have a computer. Um, I told him to try the app and we will try it and um Just try one more time. Maybe maybe I wonder if there's a tv yet. I don't I don't have a computer All right, that's okay. I know I'm sorry Hey How would these Aaron Try calling on my discord. I don't know. I don't even know if that's gonna work because I can't He came on for a second to work for a second. What happened? Yeah, he's trying again My wife has a computer Oh Well, maybe that's the solution He comes in to the page. Let me let you know Just so you know, my wife has a computer. So maybe he's trying to like one second. Let me go Get the computer Been there been there man I'm so sorry that phones are just not an option right now. I don't know what's going on I'm gonna reach out to unless unless it's my phone apparently. Yeah, I'm gonna reach out to uh Stream labs after this and find out like what's going on if it's a known issue Because I've used phones before to join. I never had a problem. So I I want to Make sure that they're even aware Because they're a pretty small development team, but they're even aware that this is a problem because they clearly changed something Probably when they launched the app that uh, I'm just so excited missing everything up for your pizza. Yeah What kind what kind I'm excited for you very basic pepperoni pizza Now dude, I would devour a pepperoni pizza right now. Yeah, but by the way, someone asked is it cauliflower pizza? It's not that feels random, but I actually have a cauliflower pizza even even recently and it's pretty darn good Yeah, so but maybe got to get at the right place cauliflower pizza is actually pretty cool Or did they mean cauliflower crust? Is that a thing? Yes, I'll follow across the thing that cut the calories interesting Oh, let's see. Hey Okay, no No, no Yeah, the phone thing man sucks. I told, um samus if you um Samus if you can hear me, I'm sure you can you're probably listening. I'm too straight Feel free to hold on hold on All right It's a guy. That's fine. Who's Mary? Oh, okay. Hey, um, but samus here says Me your question or comment and we are happy to discuss On camera It's like computers only we are so sorry. Um, but paul is supposed to be probably coming in next. He's right here. Hey Seattle paul He's a power ranger I got it today Here's a green Oh, no, I'm like pizza's dying. I gotta save my pizza like a power Don't get the pizza How's it going? Hey paul Good night. So I don't know I don't know if you've um, heard of this game called um the legend is zelda, but it's pretty me. Um, it's on nintendo Um, do you have any thoughts on on on this niche little Little game I love it so much that that's my daughter's middle name Hey Yeah, that's true. I don't know Yeah, me it was not her first name. So let's be honest how much do you love it? It was one of the it was one of the top contenders, but That's all right. You can gotta gotta make sure you're pleasing the other half. All right, right Yeah, it's been a good night. It's been cool hearing everybody. I did by the way have earphones on And uh, they were connected to my iphone, but then joey she said I use the computer. So yeah Yeah, I'll try to call him tonight. Please computer the phones are clearly not working. There's I I'm gonna get a hold of their customer support. So they're aware I don't even think they're aware that home. They're broken right now because they literally were working last week so They're working earlier in the stream Whatever any who we want to hear your thoughts well, I have a question because I've been playing A couple of games like that feel very different than breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom And it makes me realize just how spoiled Particularly breath of the wild made me over the last, you know, several years just how intricate the world is how awesome The physics are everything is tangible. It still looks good. The art direction is still terrific, but you know Knowing that nintendo switches success is going to be a lot more powerful I kind of have Two different things that I want you to to vote on what would you rather have between these two A bigger world Than breath of the wild tears of the kingdom, right? Let's say double the size nintendo goes crazy It's a different map. There's got some water exploration everything, but Since it is so big even on beefier hardware Nintendo goes the let's make it a big intricate world approach with physics engine Gliding abilities multiple things going on and it only looks a little bit better visually as a result or Mate, you know what i'm talking about the 2011 e3 zelda video We get that one we get that hyper realistic or even not realistic, but extremely high fidelity visual graphics where every little nook and cranny is felt And it's just an immersive visual experience not that nintendo skimps out on The physics in this scenario But there's a much smaller map like a smaller than breath of the wild It's a beautiful game, but just from that Size perspective would you rather have the bigger size and just a little bit better graphics or Smaller than breath of the wild, but it looks dynamite I for all three of you Uh, I'll take a smidge smaller Mm-hmm and better graphics Yeah I mean, how could you not it would be the thing that makes us stand out like that because like world size alone doesn't make a game great um Because if you think about like how they couldn't really make Less of the wild and tears of the kingdom denser than they were at least they didn't Imagining the world twice as big as that is just going to be like twice as less dense to me probably I feel like it'd be better if they made the world a smidge smaller and then if That's what enables them to go with like the Zelda Wii U tech demo, but even better today style that would just be Like I mean you you saw the the best selling Zelda was 30 mil, right? This might be a 60 mil game That's the kind of map that would have Um that appeal would be huge Yeah, no for sure. I agree. Um I um, I'm gonna be very selfish and just say I want my cake and Right, so it's gonna be bigger the graphics are gonna be mind-blowing the physics are gonna be mind-blowing He's gonna have the best story the best combat the best dungeons. It's gonna have it all Why because the Zelda team is the best developer in history And they're gonna be using the most powerful hardware they've ever used Ever by an extremely large margin and they're gonna have like seven years to make it because nintendo has You know, they'll take their sweet time with it. Um, but if I had to pick right, um I I do think that maybe um a slightly smaller world. Um that enables them to kind of just Focus a little bit more. Um Would be good, but I'll also say that I think they can make a world that feels bigger, but it's technically smaller Easily, okay, right more variety and more things to do and more different Varying locales and characters can really do a good job of making a stink. There's more than there actually is Right in terms of in terms of volume right in terms of surface area Because like there's a lot of sprawling green hills and those are nice But if there was 20 less sprawling green hills and like six more towns People would be like, whoa that that game with six more towns has way more going on, right? So, you know Um, but yeah, we're gonna get everything. It's gonna be the greatest game ever made. You'll see I love the confidence Unless Metroid Prime, you know four and five beat it out. Well by that point we're talking about Metroid Prime five So, you know, but what I mean is what if it what if it's better? That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. You're not gonna complain that Metroid Prime is a better game I don't think that's gonna be a problem. Listen. Listen. This is how it is like You know, Metroid Prime 4 is gonna be the best game ever then 3d Mario is gonna also maybe be the best game ever We're gonna bait it for like two years and then they're gonna make the Xenoblade mmo And then that's gonna be the best game ever and then the tunnel is gonna announce the next cell Then we're like, oh my god It's that can be the best game ever and it's gonna come out and something we're gonna be like me The story sucks and then people are like, oh the story is actually really good And then that's gonna be the best game ever and then Metroid Prime 5 And that's gonna be the best game ever decade from now We get a pokemon game that has its shit together and then we're gonna be like, holy shit Is this the best game ever they finally took some fucking time and made a proper one Yeah, I think, you know, I mean sometimes we like to say, oh, this is the best game is the best game I think Games are just good for different reasons, you know, like smash ultimate is amazing. But you know, like it's it's Like I the games are just good For different reasons and so Metroid Prime Mario's all the pokemon Kirby They're all star What a star box becomes the best game ever open world star What's the next 3d Kirby game? What about what about open world 3d donkey Kong tarzan style that could be the best game ever Y'all are nuts. You're hyping it responsibly now Listen, I have I have the infinity of history to to wait on these things to come true. So, you know Paul, can you ask your crush you one more time? I was answering messages. I'm so sorry Yeah Every god chance Would you rather a okay? Is that three minutes left three minutes? Yeah. All right, let's go Would you rather a game? comparable in Well, okay A little bit smaller than Breath of the Wild in terms of its map like I don't know call it a 20% reduction in map But the graphics are absolutely wild if you know what the e3 2011 demo look like of zelda. It's like that on steroids. I mean that is certainly super realistic It's nintendo's own art style, but it's just phenomenal every texture every lighting detail is Soak in up the 10 of switches to power Still have the physics engine and all that just a much better looking game and smaller or A massive world a couple of times larger than breath of the wilder here to the kingdom with more to do in terms of Okay, it's got water exploration and whole new world outside of higher all that kind of stuff But it was a little bit marginally better than breath of the wild because You know, it's in the higher resolution and stuff like that But only a little bit better because that development time went to Making this bigger game than something smaller and Here's the thing. I I don't see nintendo doing that Which one? I don't see them doing. I'm sorry. What I mean is I don't see them putting out anything that can't stretch the entire Basically just almost break the limits of whatever the system it is I I can't see them doing that. They took a year to polish tears of the kingdom. They knew it worked It was working fine, but they polished it and polished it, you know until it it basically glistened so My main concern. I'm not a big. I'm not big on graphics I've I've raved about it all all year long Or excuse me all of 2023 octopath traveler was one of my favorite games of the year I'm I'm about to replay it again. It's so good and It's really really good SNES graphics, right? Really like really good SNES graphics. It's that 2d hd 2d thing So I'm not big on graphics, but all I want from my zelda is be good. Be a good game Okay, be interesting. Give me lots of dungeons. Give me a lot of stuff to do make it feel like the game doesn't have to end Which is one of the things which is one of the positive things I actually like about tears of the kingdom That game can be as long as you really want it to be Um, hence why I'm going through it for the second time Extremely, I'm going like so slow. I'm picking up every corac. I'm looking at every rock. Um, That's Pizza is so good right now. So um to answer your question Is this disgusting if I eat it on camera? No, no, it's not Bang you're fine. You're it's fine. Um, but to answer your question paul. I don't really Care because whatever Exactly bigger smaller whatever it's going to be packed. It's going to be fun. It's going to be salda. I'm going to be excited Yeah Oh, yeah, well, thank you so much paul gale. Thanks. That was fun talking Yeah, it's too late to read My man, yeah, I was paul gale friend of the channel All right guys and we have another good friend of ours Uh sky works sky sort of lisa She is going to come hang out without for hang out with us for a bit. I just sent her the link So she said she's not sure but she said she's not sure about her headset But you know if she has to switch she of course well, that's okay. We also have echo cancellation on our side That's one thing that actually works very well in this app is the echo cancellation. Oh wow, something is working Yeah I don't know about just you know that but the echo cancellation works really well when people don't have headphones We've talked about it I've had it turning out a few times when I hear stuff then I turn it off and all of a sudden that and background noise I guess I haven't thought of I always recommend feel where I'd say Yeah, well when people don't have it, um, it's really cool because I can go on here and I can edit the settings And then I can literally just turn it all on and it actually works really well I'm actually probably their volume is not too loud. It probably works Yeah, because what what what what it what it does you go to edit mic settings Then you can do echo cancellation You can reduce mic background noise and you can automatically adjust their mic volume and that pretty much fixes all the problems great and while uh sky sort of lisa is on her way, um samus erin Andres favorite person Uh, one just message being said just wanted to say just wanted to say thanks and hi to you and andres and nate Also, ask andres restart Who chic who chic was in the zelda games? Oh, well, she's a ninja I mean, he's a ninja. I don't I know what the canon says, but I like even okay. It's not that I didn't know Okay, it's not that I knew chic was zelda. It's just that I was like That has to be so I never really thought of her as him If that makes sense I've actually what's funny for me is that when I was a kid I did not realize chic was a girl Right, and so I just thought chic was like this super wise powerful ninja Uh, I'm I'm not gonna lie when I found out the zelda was chic It was such a bad ass moment and I was like, you know, I'm like 12 13 teenage years and I'm just like Everything at that age makes you That's like the dream a bad ass Oh, yeah Everything at that age is giggity Yeah, everything Everything at that age literally and take and take decent at least decent care of yourself when you hit 40 It's really Dude you getting the snowball fight and someone told them the the right size ones and you're just like what is happening right? This isn't this isn't Sorry, we have lots of snowball fights every winter. Oh, I thought she meant Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you thought I I don't know what's going on worse when you drive by people's houses and they make snowman And then they really make accentuated parts and you're like Okay, now come on, you know, people are driving there's children walking by come on Andres is eating We're terrifying him No, I'm good. I'm just I I don't even know what's going on. I'm just Okay, good. You're so like those pizza right now is I do it. It's like the greatest pizza. I've ever had right now When you're hungry. Oh, I know better if I can stand. Oh, I'm dude. I'm on I'm fasting today. I got his water, so I had dinner early. So I'm probably gonna have a bowl of cereal Just That's a good idea cereal just never fills me. It's always like, oh, well, I was done Maybe I should eat more. I always um, like I eat stuff like Cheerios and all that whole grain stuff just like a little bowl And the next person ready because I can't I can't sleep when I'm hungry Is this Alyssa aka the Zelda nerd? Yeah What's up, Alyssa? I love you. You're a sweater. Thank you. Oh to the side on that side. Yeah, it's nice. Nice. Yes. Yes I'm still here, but I gotta go grab something the puzzle frames. Okay Oh, I'm sorry. I think I still have the stream open and it's confusing me That happens. Yeah, just put it on mute. Okay. All right. I don't know. So sorry Yeah, you're fine. What'd you want to talk about? Okay Um, well, I know like you don't really replay games that much Nate, but I wanted to know what zelda game You guys do replay like the most like if you do replay them or like if you would play like why you would go back to it I'm still here a little past A link to the past Wind Waker and awkward time are my most replayed zelda games Occurring a time because it's a goat Wind Waker just because it's not as long as it is all the games and you could argue that's kind of like An issue, but I actually kind of like how It's just it's just all well. It's a really well-paced sell the game And when you're done like you just go right back in like it's It just flows really well So the one I've probably replayed the most ever all time is probably zelda 2 Uh, it was my favorite zelda game for a long time Until breathable until breath of the wild came out. That's um But uh, I last I haven't played through that one in probably a decade now. It's probably all I've selected through Um, I've got three playthroughs in breath of the wild Um my original playthrough then my first master mode run Then the final one I did before tears of the kingdom came out. I don't even have a second run in tears of the kingdom yet I think uh If I want to go with something a bit more modern than something that came out when I was basically a baby uh, then Wind Waker is probably the one I've replayed the most Uh, I played it. I played through it probably four times when I was a kid I was always my go-to whenever there was bad shit going on and then Wind Waker hg I know that for some reason I beat it three times. I don't really understand why Because I don't replay games Because the Wii you sucked every we knew exclusive to beat all of them Why would I specifically do that one to keep me playing because there wasn't that many Wii excuses? I liked my Wii U. Uh, I love my Wii U. I have this zelda Wii People games every year until hey, hey, hey, listen, I may have said the Hand is on my Wii U. I have not given up on it. What is the best selling game on Wii U again? Well, these are on switch It's a Wii U game Yeah No, I'm not saying we had bad games. I'm saying we didn't have another lot didn't have a lot But I didn't replay all the other ones Right. So why Wind Waker? Wind Waker is not even technically a Wii U game. It's Gamecube Yeah, but you played it a lot. I'm I'm just making a joke. I know. I know you're just razzling me. It's all right It's I'm just I'm just throwing shit back I'm just getting a runaway Or maybe I pissed off It comes back and then she's like I'm out I'm I can't handle there's too much of this lipstick going on too many pairs of glasses running around She's like I'm out of here My lipstick is fabulous She couldn't handle me and Andres going at each other. I don't know I told her to come back real quick Funny story I went by arguing with each other Real quick. Funny story. There was a time in my life where I thought I could not wear red lipstick You can be agitated There was a time in my life where I thought I couldn't wear red lipstick because My lips were too big It's okay You do you We know we're having technical difficulties. We don't shit broke Well, I'm using my magic book that's like 10 years old. My I like a macbook air It's working better than the phones today, so Yeah, yeah, what else do you want to talk about? Um, listen, um I was wondering if you guys think we should get another tune linking No, no Hell yeah The minute we make Dude, I love to link so much like look If it doesn't make sense to do it today because of where Zelda is currently Make sense, man At one point they wanted to make a full home console sequel to win waker I know we got phantom hourglass and that wasn't the original plan man They they were gonna go all out on another console and we just never got it I It's never gonna happen Besides a remake of like men's cap. It's just never really gonna happen I will I will play uh play a remake of any of the tune link game Uh, I don't think they need to remake win waker. I think the hd version is perfect. Um, spirit tracks phantom hourglass And in andre keeps saying men's cap. So I and I agree with that as well. Um, but I but Where zelda is now? Um, I agree with me I think that will just piss off the audience I'll love it. I'll love it. I'll be smiling all the way to the end As the only kind of art direction. Do you think they're gonna take? Please we you tech demo. I'm going to die on this hill What if that's the remaster we get we get the twilight princess We you tech demo for the remake. I don't care if it's new. I don't care if it's remake I don't care if it's new. I don't care. Give me we you tech demographics I thought that was just the perfect amount of Realism and still fantasy that was perfect. I need it in my life as much as I hate spiders Fine Just let it chase me around We need to play that again just so the Okay for y'all for y'all who don't know what I'm talking about Please just look it up on you on youtube open up another window look up on youtube you need it in your life In fact, I will watch my videos are in front of Brian's video We always find excuse to put that in our in our videos. It looks so damn good point exactly So I say we do Let's go petition And let's go like outside like nintendo's like, you know up in seattle And let's just like go ham and beg for it if we have to What are we just gonna hold a bunch of monitors in the air playing the video on repeat? Everybody bring their tablet We're gonna find the employee parking every car that drives by this give us give us no Give us free. Anyway And She said she was done. Um, but it kept kicking her out Thank you so much for coming. She was on a really old computer. So I understand. Yeah, thank you so much for coming in and talking to us though um Thank you for the question For that point though. I um, I actually do think that uh If we're looking towards like what we should expect visually from the next zelda My expectation is something Around zelda u-tech demo style and that may be not exactly that but just like my my opinion is We are going to go a little bit more realistic than breath of the wild. Here's the kingdom and that's kind of like I'm thinking some lines of Of the tech demo Something like that But it'll look even better because that's that's that's that was attacking the u-tech demo So paul gill, he's tossing out a potential question on spin offs big zelda 3d fighters zelda rpg or hyrule warriors 3 Oh, here's an idea stole caliber with link again That's basically a zelda 3d fighter So I don't like maybe give us more than this link. Give us gattendorf Zelda rpg, I think it was just too close to home um I've always wanted a sequel to the original hyrule warriors I might be the only person. I don't know. I need to see you to come back You're not the only one and linkle. I like them all in the back I don't look I be way fun to me for I just know whatever. I don't like fighting either. So I want I want a zelda to re-imagining dark soul style Oh That could work though Right. I really think that could work. Um real quick We I got a message from the legend of hyrule and we're already discussing zelda anyway He unfortunately is not a member at the moment, but he did want us to ask um He said uh He and his boss were doing a zelda fan show called the rise of the hero and the outside will be like a twilight princess kind of breath of the wild style and what would we like to see And that show is 20 minutes for each episode and he got permission from nintendo, so it'll be on youtube I'm sorry another Yeah, 20 minute episodes And what was the premise So it's going to be called the rise of the hero and outside will be like twilight princess kind of breath of the wild style And what we would like to see in the show I already wrote a script I We want some z-league action. You know like this is unofficial. Let's go all the way But he said he got he said he got permission from nintendo, so I'm on youtube without getting claimed and And trouble yeah, so you probably can't go all the way, but we we could do pg I'm okay with that have them hold hands. It had to be a scene We don't we don't need to go to the bedroom just To keep this because so be pg Just have them kiss They do that in pg all the time if nintendo ever claim like like fan fan made like short films. I don't yes I don't think oh, they have I've seen several bigger ones, but there was uh Back a camera which one there was one that got a lot of public was shown in theaters and they had it on youtube And and nintendo's lawyers got them while they were pretty close I mean, maybe if it's in theaters, which was was part of the problem But I mean if it's on youtube, I don't I don't know. I just yeah, they literally it's not on youtube anymore It's completely shut down But you know what's you know, it's kind of messed up about that y'all remember the big fake out of Who was the ign that did the major's mask the april fool's joke. Yeah, yeah First of all, no, no, no, let's do just two different things. There's a there's a Zelda movie trailer that was the ign april fool's thing and then there's also the cgi major's mass fan made project It's just the most incredible thing known to mankind I think was the ign one but because that one looked incredible As well and that was I know what when you're talking about it is pretty good looking out almost incredible thing known to mankind Hyperbole is a word that exists for a reason sometimes But it is really good. It is if you guys haven't seen the major's mask. It's it's very very good And I mean I I that's like around when social media was a little bit was a little less What it is now because now it's it's insanely too much I want to tell them pull the master sword about that Take whatever context from that you want some verdict. Oh Actually talk on it until you turn it into something weird What it doesn't have to be weird. Where's your mind going get out of the gutter andress I'm gonna get more pizza What's wrong with all the pull of the master sword? I'm so confused Hey, he said he's gonna go get more good. His mind is he is I don't know where he's going. I'm talking all sword and a stone incident here And I don't know what he's talking about. I don't think he's talking about pizza first of all, but anyway What he got going on in his house is his business That's a grown man. Yeah, I'm so sorry to anyone else who calls it this This is going off the rails. I love it We went off the rails once stream yard did so we're we y'all Nate and I when we talked about this behind the scenes We I finally just said, you know what Nate? We just gonna pray and wing it This is Don't test anything ever. Yeah, never test anything. Don't I mean, but I got off work late So, um, oh wait, I'm still good. I'm still getting requests. Y'all are awesome. Like we seriously We seriously have like the best community like don't Speak into that. Yeah shot. I got a super myself. Hold on. Don't argue with me. Are you super chatting yourself again? Well, I want to do a shot of the rules of the rules No, just ask your your twin brother who owns the island and everything just ask him Yeah, I did. I think he's sleeping now. Oh, okay I'm gonna hold it for like a month. I hope he didn't get like eaten up by a storm or something Well chat if of course, you know, um, Nate likes his shots So if you all have any other questions if you don't want to call in please feel free to super chat We love to talk about zelda That's really the only reason andre is over here. He just likes to talk about zelda Any yeah, I forgot this was happening He totally did I reminded him yesterday and he's like, oh Right, okay. Well, that's because my plans We're making it work. I made it work. You didn't make it work when I was like I know I feel kind of bad like I probably should have reminded you a few days ago When we talked about it I kind of assumed that this was gonna be in place for that week and then you're like, oh Tomorrow it is definitely not a podcast Yeah, now you see why technical difficulties go lower But this was also kind of a test run. We wanted to see how our community would Our community Nate's community. Um, I'm just a part of it. Uh, see how you guys would enjoy better around the second time around That's for sure. It it will be because now we know Kind of what to expect and andre is slowly eating his pizza for you all's delight. So really Oh, if I know what this is just all for you guys Hey, by the way, when the cameras are set up the other way, it's less weird It really is Nate. We look so much better I look I look absolutely frightening Or we'll just look at okay. Everybody just watch andre's eat his pizza This is your pg-13 Stream I can zoom you in even more if I need to It's don't See You see, I know that people think this is so much better. I'm gonna explain why for me It is not when you're watching on the phone. We're midgets Yes We shouldn't be midgets. No, we should be Easily viewable. You gotta think of the viewing experience for the but I have more room to sit to the side And this way I have to sit this way and it hurts my back. I'm old Nate Thank you. Hi You look like it's disgusting showing me eat like right in front of the camera Actually, it really isn't no it'd be it'd be different if you like I like devoured it and like four bites not even like two bites. Well, this would be over quick All this mad thing complaining And then I'll smack the smacking. Oh, yeah You know, it's funny. I'd mute your microphone to be That started happening Don't a real quick shout out to natzoo. I wore plaid just for him and I expect my flowers and praise Expeditiously, yeah You should be saying thank you. I'm just kidding Or plaid today, I just Was the shirt that was on top of my pile Andres eating pizza. We're in plaid. I mean natzoo seriously this we we did this just for you Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to ever hear that audience is not giving what they want Seriously though seriously Okay, I have a favor to ask you. What's that? Is it money? I'm pissed. Um Who's gonna be pissed maybe you? um You told me that you were gonna use that um bingo prediction idea for one of your streams and because you don't keep all your live streams up I never got to watch it But I do see that you left a whiteboard right behind Could you go over for me, please? Because I never got to hear about your bingo predictions. I could just show it As long as I get to see it Yeah, I don't want to go over it all but I could put it on Maybe for a minute I guess the reason why you might be upset because it's not all zelda. I assume. No, I'm not All right, so zelda remaster there's your zelda duck hunt 40 is that like a NSO that was paul's idea Okay Diddy Kong racing returns Love the name new controller gimmick. Yeah, man, probably new pokemon legends. I hope so New mario kart is it coming out? Or is it? Yes In 2024 you dog mother three on nso, but I believe it new ip Probably, I mean maybe something small. I don't know I don't know. I don't think there's so much things that can't come out this year that I can see it happening next year instead But yeah, maybe you start bro Bro, I mean, I guess we're trying to get five of these right in a row. So yeah, I feel you. Yeah Top-down zelda themes menu music zelda movie cast reveal three mar released new curbie Is he gonna be chronicles x? I don't know with the back the bottom two left of bottom left left is metric prime four shown What's wrong with you? That was me three pumps a switch to Why would you only so shown? Why wouldn't you what what you're going? You're doing all these wild predictions But metric prime four you're like the conservative one. Oh, well, what made me see it Smash starts with dk. Okay. I like it. All right. Thank you for sharing with me I got a question guys Not only Not only I appreciate that buddy And guys the bingo card is for all of 2024 right now. So any of that could come out at any point in the year Okay, so let's see A metric prime four only being shown. I'm like, he's gonna hate that He did It's not that that's your a little bit. It's your prediction, but it's also that the prediction for boulders It's like it's filled with crazy stuff But that's the one you're like, you know, why don't be really careful here It's because I want to get the that it's because no matter what I want to get the metric prime four point I don't care If it doesn't come out this year as long as they show it. I just want the point Fine. I mean you're right regardless as long as it gets shown. Yeah, it's it's a safety I mean, look, I could have did that with with someone like, uh Uh, like the smash brawl ball one that's not actually like smash coming this year That's a the smash bros is announced for switch to this year and not coming this year Oh, I thought you're gonna just be or I thought you were just pulling the smash something so it could be no No, a new smash was being announced but not coming this year. Okay They're giving us that pre announcement like two years early kind of thing Okay Now Nate's Nate's heard me say this before so Andrea would like your thoughts and I think um Unless anybody has anything else after this, I think you can kind of call it a night, but I want to know your thoughts so Uh, Andre, I don't know if you've ever heard my famous, uh, zelda is not a damsel in distress ramp um but Yeah, but she's not because we won feminism. I don't know how many years ago far was born really um, so here's the thing I'm not into Zelda changing who she is For the main game games when it comes to warriors games. Okay fine do something different But for the main games, how would we feel? about us getting a constant to Legend of zelda or and a legend of link hear me out So we get our traditional legend of zelda links going through with the sword and everything but then we also get the other side of the story which would be zelda and Maybe she's maybe we don't fight the same way. Maybe we don't do things the same way It's a completely different thing with her ability with the abilities that she's known for Actually, I think zelda might even make a good assassin, but not necessarily swords and things of that nature. She's not That kind of hero. She's a different kind of hero. Yeah, maybe like kunai and senbon Kunai and senbon Who that is A kunai is a ninja weapon as is the center. Oh I thought you were talking about a game Well, like a like a ninja dagger or like those little needles I know. Okay. Now. I know what you're talking about. I mean, she I think she uses senbon in smash Yeah, I haven't played enough smash. So I can't tell you Well, but I liked her with her pretty sword in hyrule in the first hyrule warriors The rapier sword or whatever it was called that is cool That was cool But because but I appreciated it because it's not canon so they could do something completely different At least the first hyrule warriors wasn't you know, so how to so if it's a Ruby's like give me some pizza But i'm saying like if we were and so we have the story and we have lynx point of view like we always have but then we get Uh same story but it's all from zelda's point of view so we can kind of see the opposite side Of everything and we get to do things the way she would do things and then it kind of brings the whole story together I always thought that was interesting Paul of course agrees with me because he's like like me. He'll take anything zelda. We're just happy about zelda And I I know manate and I've talked about this but i'd be interested to hear what you have to say I mean, I I definitely would love to see You know zelda have A game in some way. I don't think it would be like another open world adventure, right? Like I don't think that's a realistic option um I think that's always going to be like lynx thing, but you know, maybe either a offer Pockets a gameplay within a mainline game where she's playable or Maybe spin-offs, right? Like I mean retro studios at one point was planning a You know kind of like a a sheikah kind of game where someone likes she You know something like that and so, you know if they were to make a spin-off in the future Maybe it's based off sheik but sheik is zelda and so That could be a thing like I could see that I don't I don't see what I can't happen if Princess Peach Showtime can happen a zelda game of some kind can totally happen We're going to add that to the petition And we're going to put that in the Wii U tech demo graphics. Good night, everybody. Oh my god I mean if it's smaller scale is Very it's very doable even with a smaller team Yeah, and I don't because think about I think they could it could work on the same map It's just that we would have to see a very different side of it So the so I think the challenge for the dev team would be how do we use this same? It doesn't have to be Breath of the Wild or anything we see before they could do this with the next set of zelda games How do we tell the story from these two different points of view and show two different uh sides of Hyrule You know maybe because she's uh undercover or something. Nobody realizes. She's the princess She can kind of get into the underbelly of Hyrule or whatever because it even though people are kind of Flippant about link there's not a whole lot of crazy just disrespect unless they just somebody just doesn't doesn't like it for some reason Like there's certain instances where the Zora don't like uh don't like Hyrule Twilight princess the goons don't like you for the first part of the game that sort of thing So I I've always wanted to so that I would like like to play with I just don't it just bugs me as a woman Yes, as a woman it bugs me when people look at zelda like she's this damsel in distress and nobody appreciates who she is And appreciates a friendship She does a lot but no and then people don't appreciate the French at least the friendship or camaraderie that she has With link and people want to make it seem like well, she could do it herself No, if I'm in trouble, I don't really care who or what you are come save my ass. Okay I really I'm not really concentrating on politics Yeah, I'm glad you're here I'm gonna throw out this idea for you. Right. So, you know the awkward time remake theory well You know a lot of like Nintendo remakes and remasters have like some sort of side adventure or epilogue story Right. Well, what if one they do for awkward time remake if this happens is Sheik is perspective Sheik's perspective We don't see what she does behind, you know off-screen, but she's doing a whole bunch of stuff And so my money That's doable, right and like like she also watches over uh, Cockerico village like maybe there's some sort of political thing going on there Like, you know, you can maybe touch on some of the the zelda, you know, like Um chess game this political chess game. She has to play somewhat there, too Like there's you could you could do a little bit of that that wouldn't be its own thing It would be like a side thing, right? But you know, so wouldn't be all explored at nauseam But you know, maybe a little bit that would be I can honestly I can see it, but I'm a crazy man Well, we're both crazy then because I'm the one who proposed the question Ari says make a zelda game where link travels to the future. We got it. We got a few of them, don't Link travels because awkward time he travels to the future time, I suppose. Yeah, he goes to the past. He comes back So that's future travel You know And then Nate left us It's your podcast now Um, I don't know how to do this I just show up in the I usually just show up in the chat and just say wild shit I'm more tame on your streams Stream last kicked you. No, it didn't kick me out I bumped out so I had the thing open and my mouse back button bumped the side of my desk Oh, it was like, oh, we're out of here Oh, Ari clarified their question. Um, she's saying no, I mean a future where a future like 20 years into the future I don't see why not because I don't see why not I just would if the story if it made sense Look I I got no problem with it. We always like talk about the past or go to the past I mean do think I'll think of like the memories for zeldin tears They can how far in the past that was like why not Have this thing where we jump to the future So I got an idea for you guys ready ready All right, so you know how I've told you guys about this idea of a zelda game Right where you have like the ancient part where it's so ancient the plant life The animals are like ginormous. Like, you know, we're talking, you know, like the redwood forest big like redwood forest big Like it's it's ginormous, right? And it's it's very it feels very dangerous and wild more wild than rest a lot by A lot, right? But then you also have these cities that are encased in giant walls very attack of the titanesque But it's it's not old time. It's futuristic style like cyberpunk style almost and so you have This ancient world filled a giant plant life and animals and some ruins scattered throughout, right? So you still can get a lot of that ancient zelda stuff, but these also have the cyberpunk stuff But let me kind of add another little angle to this There is time travel going back to the future and the past that this is where they flipped it At on you when you go back to the past, this is where you find the future cities And when you go to the future, this is where you find the giant plant life and ancient stuff So it's kind of like subverting your expectations because you would think when you go to the past you would see the old stuff When you go to the future, you think you would see the new stuff, but they flip it on its head because Zelda has such a rich history such a long history that there are there have been advanced civilizations in the past And there have been very archaic times in the future Hmm Did you guys follow that or was that too scatterbrained? I follow I have to marinate on that I like the idea because i'm always about making zelda fresh and new so i'm i'd be down for it. I guess In my own mind, I would love all the all the crazy ideas. I guess I just don't see how that would work for the entire Fan base and gaming as a whole because I could just see nintendo laughing at both of us But on the same note, I still think it's a good idea I I think my idea works, but but the time travel part is just like a funny little twist that that's probably where That's the part that we need to be more fleshed out But like just the idea of having two different styles of environment one being futuristic one being very ancient And then being kind of separated but within one giant world you can explore Like I think that's something we could actually see right Introducing time travel where you're going back and forth That's cool But I guess how is that actually implemented into gameplay and that's something they would have to be fleshed out a lot more I mean one interesting thing that I feel like people would have wanted is like Basically a portable timeshift stone right In an entire open world map which would require some extreme extreme Like ambition with designing stuff because any other design puzzles across the entire map to like basically have to make you have to make two maps and then overlay them Right and then you know if you would have to do it in a way where the puzzles make sense as well Right like it you could if you want to just make do it for looks That's one thing, but it's more than just looks it's about thinking about how why why you can bother Kind of going back to the future in the past all this all the time You know we kind of got a taste of that and um Skyward sword with the desert or a single dungeon and I was totally like And see in my mind when I was thinking with with tears of the kingdom I was thinking it would loop back around And that's what where we that's where the desert would end up being and things like that I thought we would eventually kind of loop back around and I mean they still could um But that's but I wanted to see more of what that ancient tech because I actually felt bad for those little robots Like they had no idea that All that time it passed and they weren't Where they were where they thought they were you know anymore. I actually felt bad for them and they were so cute Yeah, it's after 11 uh, y'all old lady joys to get that All right cereal We got a member Oh, it's michael Phenomenous michael michael lorenz the second How about if they remake a queen of time have a side quest for chic And how she gets to link every time she meets up with him in the game. I would so love that. I want to know that That's like why is you finally good? Yeah Yeah, why why is you following me? Why do you always know where I am? stalker Seriously, she's she is not only zelda. She's also a stalker straight up stalker Really big like how does she always know clearly she's creeping somewhere They I always wondered where zelda and impa went in our Korean time I always don't it and it's just like You don't know they're just gone That's the truth right they're just gone But like where where where did they run off to you know, where did they hide hide away for seven straight years? And that's a really great question because kakariko is actually a little too small even the little hiding Places and everything for the princess to hang out at you know what I mean for seven years I mean if I had to guess Somewhere on kakariko it makes sense just from a story perspective right like because you know Impa is the sage of that area right and then Sheik right which is zelda right we do see in the the lead up to the spirit temple or the Shao temple I mean Um, she does pay more attention to the kakariko village right like she's dealing with the well and stuff like that So she may have in some sense because impa likely taught or raised her right in that seven-year span She probably feels some type of way about kakariko village more so than other areas So, I mean, I I think there's something to the idea of that's where they were probably were But also like the town seems so small you see no actual evidence evidence of it in your in your experience of the game And also it's right next to hyrule castle like and then you know The other thing I just say One of the reasons I really like sheik Especially after you find out the whole story and everything. Um, it's just that I'm like sheik you brought up a good point. Sheik probably had to raise her at that point Because she or excuse me impa. Yeah Tell you I'm tired. Um And because zelda I feel like that was where she was able to hone her powers because she was able to At the at the well she was able to block link from the shadow coming out and basically trying to eat them Yeah, I'm tired because I'm not I'm not I'm not she gets ragdoll um Yeah, I'll be cool. It'll be cool. I mean, maybe the remake they could flush things out a little bit, but We'll see that would be good or what if we got the ocarina of time remake and then we get sheik story Like it's an epilogue thing in it or like separate like separate release separate epilogue. I don't care I still think um that there's room even now To go back and answer some of those questions because there's so many holes in the timeline um Or in the In the whole series that we can go back to a lot of things even today It I don't think any because here's the thing the first the very first zelda that came out in 1986 Is supposed to be later in the timeline After ocarina time right I think it's after it's a long time line It's supposed to be story wise after ocarina time. So obviously graphics don't matter So I think even now they can give us the legend of zelda sheik uh the story of sheik You know And if we could still do our whole what ocarina time look like and everything but it's all from sheik's point of view Y'all don't understand how ham I would go out as soon as they announced it. I'm not pre-ordering it I'm just sitting outside gangsta for six months two years. Okay. Yeah two years It's realistic actually, but yeah I'll just put out this Next game the legend of zelda holes of the timeline Here we go And they're just a bunch of different stories Yeah, and but but what's really cool is that you know how like ultra hands like the big new physics mechanic ability in tears of the kingdom In holes of the timeline the big uh new uh tool or ability is like an ethereal shovel holes of the timeline All right, uh, I give us. Yeah, we so sleepy. I think I think that's gonna do it I'll just form graze re-energizing right now. Anyways, um Uh, I don't know when we'll do this again, but whenever we do do it again We'll uh, I wish to be much we learned a lot tonight on how to do it, right? So we'll make sure it's much smoother next time You guys are awesome And uh, this is my last stream of the week. So I will catch you guys on monday. Otherwise just check out the videos I don't know what on andres. You got a stream coming up at all over the weekend or not? Unlike and I do yay for uh one Trying to organize this try people and then two I think you have something you want to say at the end I do for any of you who uh, want to see me, uh, you know how I wake out I was the beginning of the stream if you want to see me awake I am going to be hanging out with mike odyssey tomorrow on the intent on min topics Podcast paul gale will be hanging out with us as well and we'll be talking more nintendo goodness So come see me over there tomorrow night All right guys. I'm going to be it later everyone. Good night guys. Thanks so much for being with us