 All righty, hi, I'm Taryn. Welcome to our special librarianship pathway Q&A with our advisors. Today's workshop is part of our pathway series introducing the different MLIS career pathways where you will get an insight perspective from instructors who have worked in specific fields. Today we'll be talking about skill sets that prepare students for work in special libraries. So let's get started with the agenda. Today's agenda consists of an overview of the special librarianship pathway, which courses students can consider, how students use the skill set, and then we'll meet faculty with expertise in this area who have made themselves available to answer your questions. So what is special library? Special libraries also called information centers, knowledge resource centers, or a variety of similar names are information focused units that support the strategic goals of the organization within which they are based. So for example, law and medical libraries. Here are the core theory and knowledge sets for the pathway, but regardless of the job title and professional label information professionals are connected by their focus on managing and applying the data. Information and knowledge required in their setting. They take a whole list, a few of the role of information and knowledge and organizations and communities, and they are concerned with information and knowledge through all stages of their life cycle. Foundational recommend courses such as these, which you can go to the website for specific topics. And now I'll turn it over to Sheila. Thanks a lot, Taren. So referencing the special librarianship career pathway list of foundational and recommended courses. Let's just take a look in an example of how to form a narrowed list of electives specific to your interests and the skills that you want to build. Info 282 seminar and library management is one of the courses with multiple topics recommended on this pathway. And MLIS students may take up to nine units of info 282 with different content. Now you can use the advising tool kits classes to comps tool shown on the right hand side. To pull down a list of comprehensive list of all of the info 282 seminar topics. And from here you'll see the corresponding MLIS competencies and course learning outcomes are displayed. So if you're developing your wish list of your 27 units of electives. From here you can jot down the comps that are covered by this specific seminar topic, as in this case, using social media for competitive and company research. In other words, check the MLIS rotations tool to find out when the specific topic is on offer across fall spring and summer terms. And then you can visit the instructor syllabus to learn even more detailed information about readings skills and projects in this particular class. Now the MLIS special session rotation tool will show that this topic is available every summer. You can visit the summer schedule of classes to find the instructor's name and then visit their syllabus to decide if this class should help you meet your career goals. Now if you need individual help in working with any of our advising tools. You're certainly able to schedule personalized zoom meetings with me to receive coaching on how to use all of our advising tools. In tandem with studying the recommended and foundational special librarian pathway courses. You'll want to take a deep dive into additional resources that the high school provides you to help you formulate your career launch action plan. Now one of these the annual MLIS skills at work report contains curated information for job seekers specific to special library settings and job functions. The report found a few noteworthy trends pertinent to this discussion today. Number one, the jobs analysis found 3% job growth over the previous year for LIS skills in the business sector. Number two, 34% of government jobs in the analysis were in the Metro DC area. And number three, 30% of the business sector jobs are offered as remote positions. The reports pages 23 through 33 will overview different job titles in different job function areas from web services user experience and social media to data management and analysis and everything in between. And suggested skills are also listed. So it's really worth your time to browse the pages where job data is pulled out by the specific organization or industry type. Whether it's medical, medical, pharmaceutical and health science, or legal, which covers both academic, government and private practice settings. As you progress through choosing your electives. Don't forget about all the resources and supports available to you as you expand your professional network. The Special Library Association student chapter here at the iSchool works very hard to provide guest speakers, blog content, tours of special libraries and opportunities for your leadership involvement. Our community profile series, which is broken down by career pathway. Our alumni career spotlights database and LinkedIn searches are all fantastic ways for you to find more about career pathways and special libraries and corporate information workplaces. Now some of our alumni who have filled out their career spotlight page have also included their contact information. So you may be able to reach them for an informational interview and learn more about the steps that help them find their way to their current position. Tara and Stacy pictured on the right, each work in non-traditional LIS settings, and you can read about SLA leader Lauren Keim who worked as an intern in the Muppets Archive. You can also proactively create job alerts for targeted industries and positions on the SLA jobs board, even as a beginning MLIS student through Indeed or other job search aggregators for special keywords. So you can keep an eye on the types of positions in special library and corporate settings that are available in your area. Now here's an example of a law firm position in New York with a salary over 100,000 and they're asking for five years experience in libraries and an MLIS. Now you can also regularly try our SJSU handshake database, which you'll all have access to throughout your time as a student through your one dot SJSU account. And all the job announcements that come into the iSchool are directed over to the SJSU handshake service, which is a database that all of our students and our alumni have access to for their job search. There are other recommended job sites in our career development resource on our iSchool home page. You can read those sample job descriptions and keep track of the knowledge skills and abilities listed in your targeted position types. Finally, don't forget to tap into all the great career supports that iSchool has put into place for you have some of them listed on the slide here. A good way to organize your efforts is to make use of the career planning checklist inside your student success planner. iSchool's career coach Kim Doherty also has a background in independent information work and she's just a great resource for this pathway in particular. And now you have the great opportunity to hear tips and recommendations from our experts in this pathway. The professors of our iSchool special librarianship pathway are here to help you out with questions today. Each of them have decades of experience in law corporate medical and other special library environments, a dream team, and we want to thank you all for being with us today. First they are going to introduce themselves and let you know a little bit about their background with the pathway. The skills and topics that they feel are most timely as well as a little bit about the courses they teach from this pathway. And then later on we'll be opening it up for Q&A with all of our panelists. So I'll kick it over to you Scott thanks so much. Thank you Sheila hello everyone thank you for joining today. So my name is Scott Brown my pronouns are he him. And I am currently a senior Siberian with Oracle incorporated large software firm. And I'm based in Portland, Oregon and I am also an instructor at San Jose State. Adject instructor in these different courses here so. About my path here and current setting and then and then a little bit of guidance from me so. So I am actually part of the alumni community as well I graduated in December of 1999. But I've been in corporate library settings in particular and in research in particular for 20 years, which is has been an amazing time. You know I've been in this role but I've certainly I started out in public settings in the Santa Cruz public library I've worked in academic settings and worked in corporate settings which I actually really enjoy for a variety of different reasons but. I've also been a trainer speaker you see I actually wrote a book on finding information in social media as well. And then these are the different courses that I currently teach. So information technology web to about 2.0 and social media social media and competitive intelligence with my friend and colleague Christie confetti Higgins I also teach information vendor landscape which is kind of a specialized. Course a lot of folks fall into this where they're working with information vendors. And so we talk about you know how do you think about these resources what are the kind of questions that you need to think about how do you work with vendors what's vendor perspective all of that. Kind of content is in there and then marketing your ally skills in a networked world is kind of my longest running course. I'm going to talk come back to those and kind of share a few learnings particularly from that one in just a second but just to talk about my current setting. So our team currently Oracle is a global company it's very large company it's I want to say 135,000 people globally. So it's a lot of folks to serve we are a fairly small team which we informally called the virtual library. I believe there are four of us five of us kind of five extended team. But part of what we do we're an entirely distributed team in ourselves. So we all work remotely. We are based across the US. Big focus of mine is on demand research and research services but we also also do curation information management data analysis measurement. And you know one of the things we're focusing on right now is trying to understand what our research services are going to look like over the next three years or so. So, it's, it's really exciting work. We're switching the slide. And what what one of the things I really enjoy about it is that it really is continuous learning. In the marketing your skills in a network world course we talk about the current job market, all the different kind of positions that are out there, and where your skills can apply we talk a lot about transferable skills. And in fact, first of all, the MLS skills at work report that was mentioned earlier that is a fantastic report and thank you for everyone who puts that out, because it really does look at how your skills map to what's currently out there. And that is incredibly important to understand because even if you haven't had a lot of direct and specific library and information experience, you bring up a lot of transferable skills that you can combine with those to apply really effectively to do a lot of different positions. I was just recently meeting with a data analyst at our company who is a developer data analyst very hardcore technical person that, and we were talking about the title Siberian and, you know, a lot of instances I feel like I have to kind of explain what it is that what value we kind of bring to the organization. But this person she just got it she's I understand that completely. All information and data is about structure it's about tagging it's about identification but it's about what information is in there, and it was really refreshing to hear that to be quite honest. And so, you know, it, one of the things we emphasize in the course is the importance of understanding how your skills map to a lot of different positions. So just to share a few things from that is number one, the importance of networking. You know, professional associations can be a great resource for networking a la s la medical library association acist, double a double law librarianship. Skip all of these are great organizations in order to connect with professionals who are doing work in areas that are of interest to you, and ways to potentially get insights and get some advantage in looking for looking for jobs out there. But just to share a quick piece before I turn it over to the next speaker is, it's really important I think to kind of expand your comfort zone and that's one of the things we talk about in the course, and really being open to what comes your way. One of the ways that I got into research was I did my practicum through San Jose State, and was working on web design or website updates with the library and they had a research physician come open, which I had taken one course through San Jose State, and that was it. But they knew me they knew my work, and they asked me to do that and I was very open to it and I said yes to that and so it led me on a long and very interesting journey, which has been really really satisfying. But I encourage you to, you know, be bold be courageous be open. One of the most important things to do and this is advice again from one of my first mentors is don't disqualify yourself. Job listings are literally wish lists. There is no one who fits those descriptions exactly, but if you can match your skills and your experience to some some part of that or key parts of that. Go ahead and apply for it. You just never know what what kind of response you may get and let let the person who is doing the hiring disqualify you rather than you disqualify yourself in advance so. With that, I'll go ahead and turn it over to the next speaker. Okay, great. Crystal. Good afternoon everyone and I'm delighted that you're all here with us today. I think I'll start with a little bit of background information about who I am and where I've been and how I got here with you today. My undergraduate degree was a bachelor's in fine arts in the school of architecture from the Rhode Island School of Design and I worked in the architectural field for about five years before I decided that it was time to switch gears and I went into librarianship and so I went to what used to be known as Rosary College but is now Dominican University and received my MLIS. And that unbelievably was 30 years ago. And so I have been a special librarian ever since day one of my working working career, and I have loved it I've worked inside tech, as well as corporate librarianship. And I can tell you that it is very different from public academic and school. And it's really a unique and special kind of librarianship, but at the same time, no two special libraries are the same either. So, thank you for switching the slide. I'm going to share with you about info 231 which is special libraries and information centers. And this is a great class to really kind of understand the basics of what overall special librarianship is special librarians are found in all kinds of for profit nonprofit governmental agencies you'll find us in prisons. You'll find us in government agencies like NASA in the FBI, you will find us in news organizations you will also find us in many corporations just like you'll find Scott at Oracle, and where I worked until I just recently retired was with the AGE the largest industrial gas company globally. You will also find us in museums, hospitals, law firms, all kinds of places Disney, for example. And so in this particular course, we have six basic units of study, where first of all we really delve into what it means to be a special librarian and what is the special library environment. In general, because like I said, every environment is slightly different from the next. That's specifically about management in a special library environment. For example, you may be the only librarian in an entire organization, as was the case when I first started. I was the only librarian in a 10,000 employee organization. And so automatically you are the expert on everything information related. And after that, you are not working just as a library you are one team or your library is one team of many teams that are supporting the goals of the parent organization. Okay, so it's really kind of a different management structure. We also get into marketing and measuring because these are very important skills that are required in a special library environment. It's all about risk management and you get the opportunity to learn about risks in a global situation. You, you actually get to study about an international library, or an international risk that needs to be managed. You also have a unit where you learn about all kinds of different avenues you can go down in the special library realm, digital asset management, knowledge management, being an independent information professional. That would be someone who either contracts themselves out to different libraries, or they may actually own their own information business. Okay. That's a different kind of thing. And then we also spend a good bit of time learning about future trends, how to track them and how to consider whether or not they will impact your library. Within this course, we also have a great opportunity for networking. Scott already mentioned networking and I'm going to reiterate the value of networking within the special library field. With my class, you have the opportunity to interview a practitioner. You will also have an opportunity to network with practitioners to really have engaging conversations with those who are already in the field. And then the final project for the class is a fieldwork project where you'll spend about 20 hours working on a project within a special library so you get a little flavor of what a special library is like. The highlights in the course are that we have weekly interviews that I record with practitioners and share out to the class. So you can listen to a museum librarian or listen to a pharmaceutical librarian and learn from them. We also have podcasts that are shared. We also have one optional live event, which is always recorded, which shares with you from a practitioner. What he goes through went from his point of view in hiring in a new special librarian to his team. So we'll give you some insights in how to apply for jobs. So focus on building that network and a reminder to you that this particular course is only offered in the summer, so keep that in mind. I have a link on this slide for you to a chapter in a book that if you are interested in special librarianship, but you're not sure if this is your path. I encourage you to read that chapter because it goes a little bit more in depth into what special librarianship is, and this may help you decide whether or not it's something that you would like to explore. Before I finish, I'd like to spend just a moment sharing with you about the other course that I teach it's info 282, but it's for knowledge management, it's simply a one unit four week course that covers the basics of what knowledge management is, and it is different from information management because now we're talking about knowledge instead of information, but the skills that you learn becoming an information professional are extremely transferable. And in my in my view, preferred for becoming a knowledge manager. And so you can learn more about that in that course if you're interested. And with that, I think I'll go ahead and turn it over to our next speaker. Thank you so much Vicki Steiner. Good afternoon everybody. My name is Vicki Steiner and just looking at the attendee list I see lots of familiar names so I'm happy to see everybody I think many of you I've may have interacted with you at some point in info 203 as you started your tenure here at high school so I hope that your studies have been going well. So a little bit of background about me and then I'll talk about the courses that I teach and some other tips that I have for careers in law librarianship. So, my background, I started out. I obtained my law degree 20 years ago, and initially once I obtained my law degree at UCLA, I worked at boutique law firm where I specialized in intellectual property property and also counseling nonprofit organizations and social justice issues. And just for a while after that I operated or co founded my own law firm, I continued my practice areas in both intellectual property and pro bono services for nonprofit organizations. So for a while gained a lot of insight in licensed resources as a law firm owner and the costs associated with that and of course searching as a law practitioner. Eventually, I looked into other opportunities and ways that I could use my degree and an opening turned up at my at UCLA law school for a position as an assistant director in one of their clinical programs. So I went to work in the library at UCLA, UCLA, and just fell in love with that so I actually worked into my library degree backwards. So I had my law degree first and then obtained my library degree and like Scott, I'm a member of the alumni community where I also received my degree here at high school. Here at high school I teach in addition to 203 I teach info to 20, which is legal resources. And I also teach info to 44, which is my online searching course so both of these are very helpful legal research resources. We cover skills and techniques in performing legal research and give background into types of law libraries, ranging from an academic library public law libraries, corporate settings, and so forth. And online searching we do a broad overview of developing advanced and sophisticated search techniques using a variety of sources and I have kind of an old school approach starting with dialogue. As I learned many years ago and I still believe it to be true if you can learn to search on dialogue, you can really learn to search on any platform. So, in terms of careers in law librarianship. If we want to go to the next slide. Some, some of the highlights I wanted to mention, and this touch that touches upon things that both Scott and crystal have already mentioned, and that is really the flexibility and job postings and not disqualifying yourself. So, in the past law librarianship was fairly strict in requirements of educational qualifications. That is increasingly becoming less the case. More and more you are seeing that a law degree is not required for academic law positions and other law librarian settings. So, definitely don't disqualify yourself. I had a student last semester who had no library experience, no legal experience, and just because a job posting looked interesting to her. She applied for a position at as a research librarian at a judicial or a court law library. So she got an interview. She got a call back. I haven't heard if she got the job, but it just goes to show you you don't disqualify yourself because you never know. A lot of it is, are you a right fit for that position and the environment. In terms of trends in recent years, we've seen a 55% increase in academic law library postings. And that's for a number of reasons. Some is retirement of law librarians and others is just the growth of the field. So, you're seeing lots of variety in positions, new types of positions in emerging areas. So I encourage you to check out handshake that Sheila mentioned earlier, and also things like the American Association of Law Libraries. They have a job finder website that you can search to find positions that might be of interest. So again, there's a decreased requirement of a JD and MLIS degree for reference positions, particularly in an academic setting. And there's also emphasis on increasing diversity in the position and removing barriers to the profession. In terms of your job search, again, be creative and think beyond brick and mortar libraries. More and more, we're seeing hybrid positions, so remote or hybrid remote positions. Also, things aren't always classified as librarian or information specialist. So, be flexible in your search terms when you're looking for jobs. Some terms that Crystal mentioned are things like knowledge analyst and other unique areas, including law firms or other types of information environments. And also touching upon what Scott mentioned is don't discount the experience, both the educational experience, your life experience and your work experience and how that can relate to a job that you're posting for. All of your skills and experience have transferable value. So you want to market your unique skills and experience to align with the job posting and requirements. So just take time to make personal connections with the people that you're interviewing. So a lot of it is about personality fit as well as those experiences and both your educational background. So take those postings to identify key qualifications, take key courses to fill in any knowledge gaps and also just some tips for interviewing to practice with a friend and provide concrete specific examples about how your work and education and internship experience can relate to the position you're applying to and always be able to speak to why you're a good fit and why you're applying. Equally important is asking questions of your potential employer because you want to make sure that they're a good fit for you too. So it's oftentimes just as important to interview the employer as they are interviewing you. I did provide a link to a handout. So this last, in the last few months, I hosted a round table discussion with various experts in legal careers. So I've posted some links of resources that you might find helpful. And I'm always happy to answer questions if you do have an interest in law librarianship courses that you can take that might be a value and also technological skills that are highly valued as well. So I thank you all for your time and never hesitate to reach out if you have any questions that I can answer. All right, such great pro tips from all three of our panelists and we appreciate all the time that you spent going through all the content from your courses as well as your wonderful tips. Now we get to go into our Q&A and if you folks have a question for any of the panelists, it's helpful if you can let us know in the Q&A who the who you'd like to address your question or if it's for everyone. I'll go ahead and moderate that and just starting with Jennifer, yes, you can email me for a copy of the slides and then also once this recording gets placed on our YouTube playlist, I'll go ahead and try to link in the description to the, to a PDF copy of the slides. But if you need them right away, you could email me for those. Okay, so the next question is for Vicki Steiner. The question is, I have a law degree from overseas master in law and master. Sorry. I have a law degree from overseas master in laws and master in international politics. I wonder if those degrees will be useful to compensate the requirements for the JD. So Vicki. Yes, absolutely. I would say so Chandra and congratulations on obtaining your degree overseas. Definitely there are, there is growth in foreign and international law librarianship both in academic settings. But I would say that that background of your law degree overseas would be of value. As I mentioned the JD degree is, it does still play a role, but it's not disqualifying in a job application. So your experience in obtaining your degree would be of value to employers in various job settings. So yeah, I would definitely encourage you to check out the job postings. A lot of it is don't just focus on the educational experiences, but also look at the other requirements. And like Scott mentioned there, or Sheila mentioned, it's a wish list. So, you know, think of how your experiences can meet those different criterias. But yeah, absolutely that degree would be of value. And I can also link you up if there's a specific type of legal area that you're interested in. You can always reach out to me. I know a lot of people working in different types of law libraries or legal environments. So I'm always happy to connect people. Law librarians love to mentor. So if you are looking for somebody in a specific type of law library, either I can help you if it's in the academic area or the law, private law practice area, I can certainly help. But if there are other settings that interest you, I can connect you with people who would be great mentors as well. Wonderful. Okay, our next guest is asking if I'm looking for remote positions with salaries over 100,000. Would you suggest focusing only on law and corporate environments I guess that's for everyone on our panel. What are your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I guess from my perspective. My answer would be no, I would, I would look far and wide to be quite honest. Because I think you're getting similar positions, kind of information related positions in a variety of different sectors, whether it's government, law, medical, you know, special, whatever that might be I know those are all somewhat special libraries but certainly I think on the government side you are potentially going to find positions that are going to have those kinds of salaries as well. I think if you're looking, I mean, increasingly states are passing laws where the, you know, the salary has to be posted. You know, you're more and more of that and I'm honestly surprised at some of the salary levels of some of the positions that I'm finding across different different areas, my perspective. And, you know, law certainly is an area where you would be looking at salary in that range, depending on the type of legal environment. Yeah, and I concur with my colleagues here. I do think that you would want to look far and wide because there may be very interesting opportunities around the globe that could provide that kind of salary. So it just depends. Thanks everyone. Let's turn to the next question. What does the standard workday look like for you in your current or most recent position great question. If you can start with Scott again and go in the same order. Sure. Gosh, standard workday. So the way the position is in the, in the areas of responsibility that I currently cover I'm typically jumping between a lot of different projects. And partly because of the work environment that I'm in I have some flexibility as far as my work hours so I am a morning person so I, I am up early. And typically I am doing my most intensive work at that time so that might be a research project. It might be doing some analysis. You know, and depending if there's not something like that it might be because it's a global company. I'm answering questions from across the globe. So, Amiya is typically, you know, you're, you're is typically finishing up their data around that time. The Asia Pacific region is typically coming on later in my afternoon. So my day can sometimes get a little long. But generally, I mean, you know, there, there are some pieces that are more on demand and urgent and some that are kind of ongoing projects. So for me what what is becomes really critical is time management and making sure I'm kind of focusing and prioritizing where I need to need to prioritize. I don't know if that gives you a good sense but that's kind of what what a typical day looks like. Okay, and so I would say that there is no typical day. You know, just following along with the same with with what Scott was sharing every day is different and unique and that's one of the special things that I love about special apprehension. You walk in and there's emergency and so you know you think you've got your day set and you know what's what's coming. And then somebody comes in and says, I've got a meeting in one hour and I need to know x, y and z. And so you drop everything and you do what you need to do to help this individual or team or whatever it is and different. That doesn't happen every day, but I'm just sharing with you these kinds of things do happen. And, you know, so there really isn't a typical day but they there are a lot of different things that you do, and that you learn every every day you're learning something new because you're doing something different. So that that's my response on this. Yeah, and that is a great question. So I'm a full time instructor here at high school so teaching is occupies most of my time here with the three courses that I teach when before I did come work here. My work was at the law library, where I was a reference librarian so like crystal mentioned, every day was day one so every day presents new challenges. So you, it's great because you would have different experiences working with students, public patrons, faculty, the directors of programs, the deans of the law school who are looking for competitive intelligence about developing curricula. So lots of variety, and you never get the same answer or the same question twice, which makes it a lot of fun as well. So I think that's true of a lot of positions in libraries but especially special libraries. Okay, thank you. Okay, the next question. Hello, I have an interest in project management, and I was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to apply an MLIS to this I'm hoping to maybe look into Google and see if they have positions but I don't know where else to look. Are you, are you, I think I need some clarification on this, are you looking to work in a, in a project management organization or do you want to use your project management skills and librarianship, because if it's the ladder, there is, there is always the opportunity to use project management skills as a special librarian. You will actually have in many situations you will have the opportunity to work on cross functional teams that are doing things that are outside really the scope of librarianship, but they want your skills as a part of that team skill set. And so you'll be working on different projects. And so it just, it just depends I mean it's hard for me to say that's going to happen in every special library because it won't, but it will happen in many. Okay, great. Other other panelists that wanted to address that or I would just reemphasize what Crystal said I mean project management is a fantastic skill set that you can bring to pretty much any position whether it's MLIS related or not. And you know there have been, I can think of you know in academic corporate public library settings where bringing that skill set to it is going to make you a very valuable asset for that organization so great I guess we'll go to the next question. Okay, so for anyone working or having worked in the academic sector what skills necessary do you think are needed to secure a job in this field. This is for roles not in research. So I think they're asking if you came from an academic library setting what skills would transfer into special libraries if I'm not mistaken I think that's what the question is asking. This is I'm glad this question was posted because one thing I didn't mention is not all positions in law librarianship that are currently in demand are in public services or reference type work so there's a lot of opportunities in cataloging web usability. You know it type areas that are available so it's really just looking at those job postings. Some of the skills necessary aside from research would just be familiar with technology tools that are used. Also, I would say, you know, just think of the tools that you use as a student at high school. There's different tools you use for presenting for compiling information doing research or teaching and all of those tools are valuable in myriad context in academic librarianship. So a lot of job postings in or job interviews in an academic setting require a presentation of some time of some some type so having skills that enable you to create an effective presentation and and deliver it can be helpful just like you're doing as a current student. Any other advice other panelists other things to add or shall we move to the next. Okay. I'm going to mark that one is done. Okay, the next question is, if looking to be a medical librarian what topic of info 287 would you recommend. Certainly our professor that teaches the medical library topics is not with us today but that would be info to 20 topic medical and health sciences librarianship. We also have consumer health librarianship, which is a one unit and we even have a health health care informatics from our informatics side of the house that you could possibly take if you're interested in using that towards your electives. Next question, what is the most unique job you've had or come across in this field that most people wouldn't know about. I can name a couple that I've seen not experienced. One, this was this was formed a while ago, I went to UC Santa Cruz in for my underground and I think one of the most interesting jobs was they had a grateful dead archivist who who was curating all of this immense collection of grateful dead memorabilia for the for the university there. The other one that I think continues to be interesting and not to put too much of a story on it but I used to live in Long Lawn Colorado used to be a company they're called digital globe, which was involved in the whole chain of launching satellites for space photography for for GIS photography, and they would sell their their images to Google, they got bought by a company called the Maxar, which still is based there, but it's fascinating because it is this very space based kind of, you know, exploration technology oriented, but they would regularly have positions listed that were, you know, what you might consider traditional library positions. Folks who are doing data management who are doing image management, all of those kinds of things so it was this, and you know none of those ever showed up on any of the the library list serves as far as I know. And so it's really fascinating position. I think there's some really, really interesting things out there. I'll share one. And this is actually a paper that one of my current students is writing. So I'm very curious to learn more about this, but she's studying about the librarianship at seed world seed libraries. You know how around the globe we have different places that seeds are being stored for posterity. And so she is exploring those librarians and I thought how fascinating is that that's certainly something I'd never heard of. Pretty cool. I'll just piggyback on this one is you folks can check out our community profile series and we often have some very interesting interviews with our students who've gone on to work. There was one, someone worked for a dance archive of dance. We're on the East Coast, we've had zoo registrar. There's a lot of different alternative environments so you can try to check those out. The next one is for crystal. Can you speak more about the difference between information management and knowledge management. Okay, how much time we have 10 minutes. I'll be brief, but and I would be happy if you would like to reach out to me I can go on and on about this but for the benefit of everyone a real quick description is that information management is information. You know, such as in books and in journals and content that has been pulled together for our use knowledge management is actually in people's heads. So we have both tacit, you know information that we need to pull out of their heads and capture. And so it's the same sort of a lifestyle where our life cycle where we want to capture it. Store it, organize it, manage it and make it easily accessible for reuse, so that it can be used again and again and add it to to create new knowledge over the future. So we're not just talking about content in these in these materials that that we're used to working with. We're talking about gathering. What people have created their themselves with their own knowledge by reading things and their own background and coming up with new ideas that's knowledge so I hope that's a super quick understanding between the two and again please reach out to me because I love to go on and So Crystal what kind of context or or subject areas would the knowledge management skill set be used would that be mostly in like scientific or academic settings or I'll tell you knowledge management can be used in any kind of an organization and here's a very simple explanation. Think about a restaurant. Okay, we've got waiters and waitresses and bus boys and we've got somebody of the hostess and the owner and the cooks. And if everybody really understood what each other's job was, think how much better their whole system and structure would be within that organization. And so if they had some basic processes in place in order to capture what this is what this person does this is what this person does. This is what we do when we have x, y and z issues. How do we help that that's a very simple but easy way to understand how knowledge management can be valuable in really any kind of setting. That's absolutely fascinating and thank you for breaking that down for us. I got it. I hope everyone else does too. Okay, let's move to the next one. We have two more open questions. The next is from anonymous. I'm curious if medical librarian pathways different from the ones already mentioned as far as classes go in the program. Well, since we don't have our medical library specialists with us today do any of our pathway advisors have any tips about this. Nothing that might be potentially harmful. That wouldn't be potentially harmful so I mean I'm guessing that maybe a background in life sciences health sciences would be valuable in this subfield. I mean I think that's a fair statement for any kind of specialization area that you're going into but I don't know that it's absolutely necessary. I'm familiar with the medical librarian offerings via San Jose State unfortunately. Okay, and so folks we did mention info to 20 medical and health science librarianship and info to 20 consumer health librarianship with which is a one unit elective option. So, we can take a look at that if you want to sign up for an appointment with me, and we can go through the pathway together. Okay, let's go to the next question. What is the most important piece of advice you can give to someone just starting out in the MLIS program and still figuring out what career they want to pursue. That's a great question to end up end us up with. That's a great question. I always say one of the very best things you can do is have an open mind and one of the luxuries of being a student is the having the opportunity to explore new areas of study that you may not have considered. When I was a student, I really gave myself the freedom to pick courses that, you know, I already had my job at the UCLA law library so reference was a natural pathway for me to take, but I pushed myself to go beyond what was traditional in the area in which I was working. And it was one of the best things I did because it does aid in making you that much more marketable because you get a different skill set that might make you stand out. That could be things like web design or other areas of the career. So you never really know what might strike your interest when you're working through the program and you might be surprised. You might take a class and find yourself going in an entirely different direction than you originally intended. So just be flexible and enjoy the opportunity to pursue new things. Do you want to go crystal or essentially my comment is ditto. That was exactly what I was going to say is stay, stay open and stay curious and you'd never really know what might strike you and the same applies to your career as well is you might be going in one direction and start doing something or get involved in something that takes you in an entirely different direction. And so, you know, I think one of the things that especially resonates with me with what Vicki said was building that skills portfolio that you have and that experience set that you have. You just you never know when you'll be able to bring those skills forward in your career as you as you continue on. And just make yourself kind of more more employable in so many different ways for one of a better word. And it's, you know, it's just it's great learning so I'll stop. So, okay, so I was going to say what they said but I'm going to tell you something different because I think that you should ask as many questions as you can while you're in school and take advantage of the fact that you are a student. And this is a great time to reach out to practitioners. You could reach out to, you know, say you do want to be, you know, you're, you're, you think your dream is to be a Disney librarian. Well, reach out to one and, you know, say I'm a student. And, you know, can you spare me 15 minutes to talk about what it's like in your environment, and build and make that connection and I know it's really hard to do that. But as a student, I got to tell you 99% of practitioners librarians in all all kinds of librarianship are more than happy to talk with students. I want to share information. We want you to be one of us, and we're excited that you are soon going to be one. So please keep that in mind and I and I do recommend talking with all times of the different professors and different practitioners, and to help you really understand what direction you really want to be in. Well, I see that we have no more open questions. I'd love to thank our co-moderator Taryn Reiner from the student services team, as well as all three of our excellent professors and faculty advisors. All of the panelists gave up some of their lunch break today to spend time with you. So we really want to say thank you for that extra support for all of our students looking to plan out their programs. Again, our recording of this presentation will be available on our playlist. That's the high school student services and outreach playlist on our school's YouTube channel may give us a couple weeks. And you'll be able to visit all the other recordings of the other pathway webinars that we have done. And we look forward to planning the next one with you in the fall. So thanks a lot everyone really appreciate your time today. Thank you for organizing this Sheila. Of course. Thank you, Sheila. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks, Crystal. Thanks, Taryn. Thank you to Scott and Crystal. Have a great day everybody. Bye. Have a great day.