 30 teams became eight eight teams became four, but there's one more to go. We had a lot to talk about What's going on everybody welcome to talking baseball Thank you for tuning in if you've been listening throughout this postseason every day We've been doing a show recap in the games that happened and the games that will occur today It's been a lot of fun. I think this is our most amount to talk about only two games were played But we got a lot to dig into here. My name is John boy. I'm coming to you from New Jersey We got my co-host Jake out in Denver Two crazy games last night, but first let me tell you this the patrons the sponsors of this episode because there's a good amount of Crazy nice people number one Michael Nielsen Mike Was my nickname for him? I Hope no one has that already Mitchell Bollinger Balls Bollinger Bollinger. How'd you say it you go balls? Bolls. Yeah, so it's not like balls. 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We got looks like Ryan Buck Johnson's in here. He's in the chat watching live with us. He's excited because then that's one Jake, how are you doing on this fine Thursday morning? I'm good James. I'm good I'll be a little slutty for a second. I Leave some reviews if there's a day baseball people are listening the reviews kind of unfortunately matter We normally don't ask leave review and be like Jake is the playoff kershaw podcasting or something along those lines Insane man insane. I was a I Mean the Braves Nats game It does have a ton of talking points baseball wise it bummed me out for a little bit And then I was bummed out kind of halfway through the Dodgers game because it was just like it was nothing I mean the first inning happened and then it was just a lot of nothing is this the Strasburg bunting at bat like just twisted a an nl knife in my back a little bit And then we get I mean Lifelong highlights life long highlights for a lot of guys that was That was insane. Yeah I Think looking back When you're when you were in the first game and it was 13 nothing and 13 to 1 whatever in the first couple innings 10 nothing after the first It was like this game sucks. Okay. I put it on the back burner Yeah, I actually didn't watch the last inning. I fell asleep took a nap, but Now looking back on it. It's kind of like we got a wild one Because it what yeah, I mean it tech technically it's crazy After that first inning, I mean it turned into a social experiment it was Teams have never done this before fans have never done this before like what's gonna happen Kind of sucked for baseball and then it totally redeemed itself at the nightcap Totally redeemed myself and I was really tired and I was watching Movies with Katie and then I had the game on my laptop And I was trying to like make gifts or whatever and I was just watching and I was like holy shit What's going on and I got more mad At Dave Roberts than happy with with the Nats and that's unfair to the Nats because they deserve a ton of credit And I know that on this episode I want to talk about how terrible Dave Roberts was and I'm not trying to take away from the nationals Because they deserve the win. They fought they come back all that it was really good. How he Kendrick's great story, but uh, I In moment I was more like what the fuck are you doing? Then holy shit go Nats, you know, I was just confused So we'll save that for a little bit because I know I know we're chronological podcast people have been saying that non-stop We're a cron pod. We're a chronic podcast chronic podcast. Yeah Yeah, that's cool. Wow Might make that into a sticker just the chronic podcast that kush. Nope. Did I just go in chronological chronological order? Oh You may think this means one thing mom, but it just means they go in chronological order in order So we operate back off on my chronic podcast sticker on my laptop mom Seriously, it's a baseball podcast where they go in chronological order. Yes, someone hit a skunk on the road outside the apartment So yeah, I'm not high. All right. Let's burn it Jake. I Can burn it burn game one that chronic. Yeah, I don't know how you're gonna do this. Here we go on your mark Get set Go and burn St. Louis verse Atlanta blues verse thrashers Nelly verse ludicrous Game five between the red birds and the Braves and the ATL Mike Fulton Nevich on the mound and Fulton Nevich is Algonquin for that ain't it cheap a leadoff walk by Fowler Colton Wong sack, but runner on second one out Maybe they push one across here in the first Goldie infield single ozuna RBI single the gold Glover Freddy Freeman boots a potential yachty double-play ball Carpenter RBI walk. Oh boy. They young intentional walk Fulties out max freed in and it was more like the spelling max fried RBI walk for oh, yeah, I haven't even mentioned them yet starting pitcher Jack Flaherty Fowler's back up him and Wong back to back RBI doubles Goldie lines out. Okay, okay Ozuna strikes out to end the oh my god It gets away from McCann another run scores Malina grounds out. It's a 10 spot in the first That's it Flaherty was solid the Braves died a number that will haunt Atlanta forever 13 to 1 final Haunt them forever Brutal just slapped in the face left and right And like it was a team effort that's why I'm gonna make a A long breakdown of the first inning of just like everything that went wrong. It wasn't just bad pitching It was no it was a team effort drop third strikes twice error by by Freeman gold Glover Walking in runs walking in the pitcher like it was It was everyone's fault It's just but you know who gets the most blame Who gets the most blame? Oh, I know Mark. Melanson. You playing it looks like you're playing Let me bring it up. Let me bring it up because um, I've got a weird question for you that I kind of I kind of want to Get out of the way. Do you think there's anything to like? City sports teams like do you feel like st. Louis has a little good juju because the blues won the Hockey championship. Do you think Atlanta has a little bad juju? I mean you could go back to the Falcons You could go back to there. I mean the Braves haven't done anything for a while. Do you think there's anything to that? Okay Analytic people hate this because it's about a human emotion and feelings. I do think there's a a quality of when Another team in your city Wins and you're sitting there watching it and seeing those fans and the parade I think you get a bit more hungry like or or just like it's tangible like oh shit Like that's what it feels like to win here Let's how fucking sweet would it be if we double down? Tiny tiny bit of energy. I think maybe just a little bit more hunger on the Atlanta side. No, I don't think so Okay, I think it could also make your crowds just more energetic because they're just coming off highs non-stop Yeah, they're like hey, we were energetic for the blues like let's bring the noise for the cards Like let's go the city of magic. We're all in and you get fans That aren't baseball fans, but they just like getting swept up in a moment. They just got swept up for the blues They're like, okay. I'm in again. What are we watching this time? So it might make the stadium a little more rockets because it's been happening I don't think you can really say it affects the play on the field Yeah, it's it's interesting because I I think there's something there, but there's definitely no way to quantify it and it's not Significant but like there's something But I don't know what it is. All right. Here's my lansons pump-up speech. It's the most awkward weirdest thing You'll ever hear hold on Pulling it up turn of the volume on Big day today guys, we need your energy game five NLDS. Let's do this The energy let's go. Let's do this need your energy. We need to feel that relentless Energy get going. Let's go game five. Here we go finish it up I mean that that third one big day today guys energy this one relentless Energy get going. Let's go game five. Here we go finish it up Relentless energy Let's go here. We go game five finish it off Hey, I don't like I don't like how much you've watched that clip because you had the timing down perfectly I Tweeted out those words. So I knew exactly was I was reading the braves made I know we're doing a lot of non-quantifiable stuff to start but the braves made two Fatal moves before the game even started a mark melanson releasing whatever that was and B they got rid of the the foam chops the foam axes which Yes, there's a whole conversation out there if it's appropriate and blah blah blah But they had them for the first two games to pull them back in game five Yeah, you lost you lost before you started and then you didn't start then you did start and it got even worse That whole situation is weird and it's tricky and not really what I want to talk about on here But uh, yeah, we'll say I saw some people saying that the opposing pitcher. What's his name? He's part Cherokee. He was it Hensley something like that. It's part Cherokee He speaks like Cherokee language still he was raised on a reservation. I believe I believe all that I read it yesterday He didn't go out of his way to say he didn't like the chop He didn't even tell them to stop Reporters asked him I saw a lot of people giving this guy shit And I just think if you're listening to this show and giving him shit like tone it down he was asked what do you think about the chop and he said well, I don't really like it because Some people may think Cherokee people that's all they do is they just make noises and wave their arm when they were pretty smart and like You know a civilized culture, so I don't really like that That's the one thing that we're you know showcasing and he was asked a question and he answered honestly The Braves didn't have to stop it because of his answer Yeah, especially the whole reason the media asked that is because it is such a hot topic that when that ball gets rolling It gets going, but that's uh, that's for an offseason episode one We'll we'll rename the Cleveland team and the Atlanta team, but for now Are you a believer in? We've talked about game path a lot or I've have and I keep forgetting the actual word it is but McCann squeezes one of those foul tips The whole game takes a different course, right? Yeah Yeah, man. It's like, you know, we were saying you were trying to find a name for like thin ice games We're like you have to be perfect. We kept saying it. We said it about the Brewers against the Nationals We said it against the Rays against the Astros in an elimination game I didn't think that this was a thin ice game, but They fell and cracked the ice McCann drops that strike three the bat extends that and then that error by Freeman and then I mean like I Don't know what you want to call the McCann pass ball in the strikeout. That's like Your frozen body got unthought just to die again. Yeah Fucking sober at all. Yeah for for me the Because even the Freeman Freeman boots a ball and you say I mean, that's like a total whoa moment Like, okay, this is a do or die game Freddie Freeman. Who's like the heart and soul of that franchise Such a good defender. He boots one and that's you're like you take a step back and you're like, okay So this is insane. This is basically the worst the first inning could have gone But I think there's still like a hey, let's strap in and we could still do something special When you walk in the pitch when you walk in a run to the pitcher in the first inning That's the game was completely lost Yeah There was a lot of moments man, that's why I'm gonna make a breakdown and just be like the saddest inning of all time And I mean if you're a braves fan, you're just killing yourself You I know Milanton's a freaking weirdo, but you know, you were an extra innings a game for and you didn't use him He's technically your closer That ball goes off Freeman's glove and game for tough series for Freeman in hindsight and yeah, I know a lot of people were tweeting out the stats that I Mean all a lot of the hitting was Alby's in a Kuno, which I mean adds up to a degree But Donaldson and Freeman kind of weren't there Marcakes also had a really tough series I Mean great for the Cardinals man every time we rule them out. They just take it a step further Do you like their their speech at the end the coach of speech I did I did Arosania I'm I forget his actual last name, but that's that's a tough look for you, dude You're right now. You're kind of a quadruple a guy You can't be videotaping coach of speech in the locker room Yeah for anyone that for anyone that didn't hear it yet. He was like on periscope in the celebration I think it's like, you know the closed-door celebration. Yeah I Love the opening line. They started some shit. We finished some shit as That's awesome line strong at the end He loses me completely because it just seems like he's like trying too hard to just fit fucking to every sentence Yeah, he got lost in the I Feel like and you know, you My eight-year-old cousin learned how to just swear he just walk. I'm gonna kick your fucking ass strong Hey, I know you've been calling Mike Schilt like kind of the Dwight Schrute looking manager Hey, the fact he's got any of this in him is good. Well, I He looks Like Dwight Schrute. He doesn't manage or act like Dwight Schrute. Gabe Kapler doesn't look like Dwight Schrute He manages an axe or he did like Dwight Schrute. Yeah, Gabe Kapler fired They need to switch their bodies to match their personalities because like because Gabe Kapler is always like How could you not review this? Just like taking back by the world grow up Gabe Why are you so full of muscles if you're such a pansy? I think it's it's also funny I mean it starts getting crazy. We ignore it, you know analytics is becoming more popular and obviously all the on-field But personalities are a huge thing. I mean you just you talk about Mike Schilt speech Did you see Dave Martinez as winning speech? That was pretty no, it was it was like quiet It was kind of awkward and and maybe again like like you're saying this was the behind closed doors Maybe when they closed the doors to the media Dave Martinez gave a strong Powerful speech, but when the cameras were there it's pretty awkward and timid and it's like oh like you guys rally around this dude But that's that's another thing for another time. I mean what what else is in this game? I mean is the Is The pitching in actual conversation like Did you what were your thoughts on the whole Jack Flaherty situation? I would have taken him out Yeah Like would you let him still what would you have done? I? would have I would have allowed him to Or three innings to solidify You know because sometimes they can slap you right back and you're like oh shit. This is just one of those games Where both sides are gonna put up numbers for whatever reason? Yeah, so I think you need them in the first and Then in the second short maybe one time through the order Whatever, I don't know the numbers on it. Whatever adds up to a throw day Okay, once you pass throw day, which I'm guessing is 30 pitches Once you pass that I mean you could use them for game two guys Yeah, you just wasted them when dude and then I know we were texting about this personally When the Cardinals hit a Cunha Yeah, I feel bad for a cunha because like He's gonna have a bad rap for a while He gets hit a lot and I think he's gonna stay getting hit a lot and He's getting this tough situation That Manny Machado's in where They play the villain and Then sometimes they act like they like playing the villain But then they play the victim when the villain gets attacked and it's like well, that's what villains do they get attacked so you can't you can't play both sides and I feel bad for him because he's really young and hasn't really figured out if he's The villain or the hero yet and that that is I think that is a really important No, because I think you're right in the Machado comparison almost like actually made my eyes open that he does have time to change that I mean, he's still 22 and he can do a lot But right now. Yeah, he's he's gonna be the young guy villain I mean Machado when he was really young like the Donaldson tag play and throwing the bat at the third baseman It was like Machado's come down from that nonsense a lot Yeah, and when you hear him in interviews and podcasts, he's like a nice normal Dude, and I think he I think he got his fill of the villain last postseason I think he may try to come off that a little bit and I don't know Hopefully Akuni does it does it a little quicker because he's a great talent and I don't want his reputation to be there's that punk and I want to correct myself really quick Ronnie's still 21 Yeah, so he can do so much, but yeah, man I had you know, we we deal with some of the crazies of the internet. I had a couple people that Genuinely reached out and we're like dude. I think this series on Akunya and it's like no Oh, someone else told me that I was like no, it's not but that's that's the rep It's the Machado. It's like Manny when when Manny still had a bad rep before he came like silly winning Manny In Boston like you you just kind of get this reputation and it's hard to shake There's a couple the casual fancy and not run out a ball. You've thought you hit for a Homer And then it just starts to like steamroll. So Yeah, but that's that's tough. I mean, not the reason they lost or anything bad about on field. I know At all obviously that you'd be crazy if you think that I think here's one of the better performing bats But I just think personally for his reputation and moving forward Be the villain you're gonna get thrown at a lot or Be the fun loving player There's a fine line and he's kind of dancing all over it right now He's young and that's kind of how it goes when you're young and it sucks to be 21 and on a national stage, but you're also very gifted. So that's what happens Anyway, my point was bringing up that hit by pitch Sending Flaherty up the next inning with a bat in his hand is So stupid I Cannot believe they did that. There's no reason for Flaherty to still be in that game You guys just hit Acuna if they want to retaliate. Oh my god, they can retaliate and they can hurt your star Pitcher there is no Benefit of that at bat now I know the Braves didn't throw it in and it was just a one two three strikeout and Half good for the Braves half. I don't know man. He should have I would have buzzed him at least like But I hate that I think that to be honest with you guys because I I heard someone like you whenever I hear someone You've got to throw it. I'm like dude shut up. That's not you never have to throw it someone But I was like yeah bosom You texted me that and you were like uncomfortable about it and you were right So the the things here is a kudos to Sean nukem. He was the dude on the mound He was the dude in power there. He could have made things ugly really quick The last thing baseball needed was a brawl in the 13 to 1 game 5 deciding game That being said Nukem walks away looking good for the Braves It would have it would have just been an awful look if you're down 13 to 1 and you start throwing at people They kind of say they walk away the bigger man. No no Braves fan really cares about that today But if nukem did throw at him, I think baseball purists would have been like, yeah Yeah, we're making ads up but like even though Even though they didn't body of evidence even though they didn't I still think it's crazy. They sent Flaherty up there There was no need Yeah, and that that was my thing too, I think because at first I almost jumped on team don't pitch Flaherty at all and then You know I You start putting more logic to it and they're like well He already did his full routine like he'd been throwing So I was kind of on the same team with you throw him two or three get some bullets out of them Have him ready for game two and dude it actually lined up perfectly if I remember correctly I want to say he pitches the third inning And he goes out there and it's his third at bat already by the way And there's runners runners on the pond and like okay if you send a pinch hitter there and you put up another knock It's like 15 not that the score mattered. It was already decided But you could go to your bullpen and get through this and have him ready I mean it's gonna be an interesting story going into the next series There was kind of the fun moment that if this if this was a Cardinals podcast You love that after the fifth inning they were gonna pull them and then Flaherty comes in and he goes no no coach I got one more and you know, it's the pitcher and he's a young guy and yeah Yeah, and then Yachty follows him. He tells him. He's like no, he does have one more. He's good So that that was kind of cool. Yeah, I mean 13 to 1 10 runs in the first one in the second two in the third Crews control the rest of the way. They had more runs than hits. I mean every Cardinal batter scored a run in the first inning Yeah, we had defensive replacements in the first inning Harrison pay Harry Bader comes in for Carverner. That's that's one of the more hilarious Stat lines you can look back at dude. I didn't I didn't realize that Yeah, they did defensive replacements in the first inning Carverter. You did you did your job, buddy So, yeah, and I Cardinals fans, dude There was a moment. I was trying to make the breakdown I made the breakdown of McCann and there's a moment where Carpenter's having a conversation with Some Cardinals not the not the manager but someone and I was like, what are they saying? I was trying to figure out what they're saying and it was definitely about that because it looks like Carpenter's like I'm out and he leaves So I want to go back now with that context and see if I can figure out with the lip reading because I think Carpenter was just like I'm done then. Okay, like fine with it. But like alright, whatever And yeah, I think for for Cardinals fans Again, like awesome. Congrats. You guys absolutely blitz them If you think if this has been two Braves Centric for you. Well, it's the last time we're gonna talk about the Braves and we're gonna talk about you guys more Coming up, but uh good on them, man They they did it kind of slash a Braves collapse Nelly wins McCann retires after the game Yeah, I like McCann Mark to share step brother. Their parents are married. Oh I've got a I've got a jakey hot take You know one of the one of our crazy fans record this and get it ready I've got a free agent who's gonna sign with st. Louis or with Atlanta this offseason Austin real mine No, maybe That would suck if you just randomly guessed and you got it right and now my guy doesn't Okay, sorry about it No, it's a great job by you man. Um, I Just took the sale I don't even think he's a free agent anymore. He ruined it. I was gonna say He maybe he gets traded there this offseason. It's my new hot take Tommy fam. That's who they need There's Tommy fam a free agent I thought he was then I just looked at his page and it says he's not but I thought that was the whole reason Wasn't he with them already? He was with st. Louis. I said the Braves need. Oh, okay. Okay, cuz whoever they whoever they bring in house this offseason needs to be like No, nonsense. I don't give a damn about that 13 to one game. Let's go So, yeah, basically the whole thing is ruined and now Austin Romine's a Braves Congrats Austin did you oh, so Okay, little buffer combo Sure, it says you brought up Tommy fam Did you hear his interview after the game with the rays? Yes If anyone didn't hear it, I mean I could try and pull it up They ask him like, you know What's the question that's what's that? It's intense It's awesome though. Like and yeah, and it's weird. It's weird because if someone was to write these Down like these quotes down. I think You could read it and be like that's That's like conceited or shitty. Here it is, you know, but um, you know, I'm proud of myself to be honest with you I remember throwing a ball against the wall playing catch with myself throwing a ball up hitting it, you know Throwing batting practice to myself. You know what I mean? I believe in myself from a young age You know, it ain't like I had a dad out there to Play catch with me or throw me batting practice. So, you know, I'm proud of myself There's a I mean if you were to just take that out of context And I'm sure some fucker did and just say like Tommy fan. I'm proud of myself It sounds like a Reggie Jackson Like quote from back in the day that would have went crazy But I mean that's that's cool to hear an athlete actually give themselves credit Like, you know, actually I worked really really fucking hard to get to where I am And it's because of my hard work that I am a lot of people helped me along the way, but I'm proud of myself This is probably the most real answer that you never I think I think Tommy fam is so intense that a lot of people Did not take it out of context because they didn't want to deal with his wrath because he's uh, he's kind of a bad dude And yeah, that's uh, that's I think whoever comes into the Braves this offseason. They need a little bit of that Like that attitude like I don't care. We're I'm doing I got to this point I don't care what happened in that game five last year. Let's go. Yeah I mean Tommy fam has a crazy story if you haven't heard it. He was a There's one time he was injured Jake He injured himself and they asked him like how the pain level was and he was like No, I was like I I've been stabbed before so, you know, yeah, and I think it's a really sad story. I think I get stepped out stabbed him So go look into Tommy fam story But I just thought that was an interesting quote that you never hear. I'm proud of myself and it was delivered in a Not a cocky way. So no good job by MLB And like ESPN and some of the outlets because they they were sharing that quote and in a good light Yeah, I'm sure some ass. I'll try to Make it sound bad It's always one man. Yeah, you got one No, oh Shit Yeah, so you got a burn for the Dodgers game. I do Anything else we need to say about cards Braves Braves Good run Yeah, it's tough. I mean you guys have all the talent. I think this offseason is plug-and-play with some Mean dudes that won't care about this loss and Cardinals can't keep the crazy train rolling I think you need like Donaldson types like a couple more that are good Yeah, the Donaldson conversation is gonna be interesting because young thick Austin Riley. He's most comfortable at third base So it's how ready is he and how do they want to allocate their money? But yeah, Braves offseason talk is gonna be a lot of fun All right, here we go Cardinals Nats game five on your mark get set burn The best playoff starting pitcher of all-time asterisk Steven Strasburg verse Walker Moxie Bueller and an elimination game at Chavez ravine bottom one Max Muncie burn But that funky Muncie to run Yacker for max those two runs were more than Strasburg had given up in his previous 28 postseason innings coming into this game bottom two Kiki deal of me. Are you riding solo dolo for Hernandez? It's three nothing Dodgers after two the pitchers would exchange zeros until the bottom of the six Soto hits an RBI scoring one run 3-1 Dodgers who's coming in out of that pen? It's three times Cy Young five-time ERA champ one-time MVP Clayton Kershaw he mows down eaten and then comes back out for the eighth and oh, no Tony meatballs rendon Crushes a decent pitch from Kershaw. Whatever. It's still three two. Oh my heavens He might be the sickest man in the world the very next pitch Wango so high so far so toe 450 feet Bomb off the legend creating his own legend. We're locked up at three's free Baseball we're into the 10th the Joker Joe Kelly for LA Howie Kendrick faces Huck and let me put a smile on that face Grand slam for Howie. He was having a brutal Defensive series he comes through with the swing that sends the Nets to the NLDS and ends the faux dynasty Washington seven Dodgers three This game was wild. I have a I have a buddy who I Like to call him a Mets fan version of the Dodgers This team sucks all all season They're never gonna do anything if they pitch Kershaw on a big spot If they give Bellinger and see your big-at-bats, they're gonna fucking lose and I was like, man, you're crazy angry Come on. They're pretty good and Those three guys Don't have a good playoffs and Yeah, the Dodgers dynasty is weird. It's a really sad dynasty to look at now This is a sad end and for the Nats. It's awesome but This game was so mismanaged It's unreal. I think Dave Roberts brain froze The Joe Kelly stuff. I can't explain it all. Oh, it's it's maddening Joe Kelly in his first inning clean inning, right? Look great through all curveballs fantastic To throw them out for the next inning fine you know fine but Jake like they have relievers other May Kenley Oh, they have other relievers Joe Kelly hadn't pitched two innings since August 24th Because he's been battling an injury So I mean So you got Joe Kelly back out there and I'm fine throwing them back out there if you're gonna go batter by batter Because you have so many other weapons in the bullpen Who that's why you have them there, right? So in the 10th when he walks Adam Eaton, right? Okay, Kelly Let's go to one of our other weapons, but they don't then Anthony Rendon hits a ground rule double on a line drive Hard hit and they go, okay, Cole Kelly. You're staying in We're not gonna have you pitch to Juan Soto. We're gonna intentionally walk him when You have Coloreck in the pen Who's been your Juan Soto guy? Yeah Why intentionally walk Juan Soto bring in Coloreck and just see what's the worst case like he pops you You're loading the bases with no outs bring in Coloreck and then now bases loaded Leave Joe Kelly in it makes so little sense and Not backtracking in the moment a ton of people were saying this it was it's mad at him Like I think his brain froze. I Mean he had he had the arms available. Arayas has been good Dustin Mays last outing was solid Ken Lee I mean, that's that's your guy. You kind of want to if the ship's going down That's that might be the guy that would be symbolically and the guy you'd want out there going down with the ship Joe Kelly Yeah, I mean there there's no excuse Ken Lee comes in after him looks solid My Aida had one of the most impressive innings of the postseason It's it's devastating and I I ended up sounding pretty good about this game yesterday because I was you know Mockingly saying the end of the faux dynasty, but it was funny You asked about Dave Roberts and the best way I could put it was when was when's when have you ever been like? Dave Roberts and gave a round of applause or been like good job Dave Roberts No, and I mean maybe it's part of the curse of this team being so stacked and the playoffs are a crapshoot They they truly are this is what we were trying to put into words to Yankees fans without sounding soft But when when the Yankees advanced to the ALCS we told Yankees fans on talking yanks They're like hey, I know this doesn't sound like the Yankee way, but like Appreciate this because this this sport doesn't work this way And then the Dodgers a couple days later are the perfect example It it takes a lot of skill, but it also takes a lot of luck last year's World Series MVP was Steve Pierce And the ALCS was Jackie Bradley Jr You need a lot of things to go right and you need your manager to not stick to their gun when their gun is Joe Kelly Well, I even think the Kershaw move is kind of baffling too fine with him ending the inning there But to throw him back out when you have all these other arms if you strip the name He wouldn't be out there. He's throwing his fastball and his slider at the same exact speed Yeah, they're both 80 plus miles per hour Like go watch the pitches that he gave up for home runs to Soto and Rendon and tell me what they were they're just slightly moving 89 mile per hour pitches and When you have all those weapons and at that point they had How do you say his name made up? My Ada my they had my Ada behind him Yeah, or who looks and you have and you have Kolarak for Soto and now it's a 3-2 game. I Don't get anything that Roberts Dodds did there and this is now three years in a row where they're so good in the regular season and All the puzzle pieces are there like they've built a world series team and they just got like a guy with Like pins and needles hands trying to piece the puzzle together like just slamming them around sliding around not knowing what's going on And I mean and it's where baseball can be disgusting because well a Think about what happened to the Braves yesterday baseball can be disgusting in a lot of ways I mean they ran into the Red Sox last year who were kind of on a warpath and and they just got beat They lose the game seven in 2017 Then I mean just like that. I mean, you know Dave Roberts goes to from good manager to almost like a laughing stock And yeah, the the Kershaw thing he owned eatin which hey good for you Clayton Yeah, man, it's brutal Kolarak had been so good against Soto You have to you can't Dave Roberts was still trying to play the game inning for inning when the game was batter per batter And I don't know their ESPN again I'm giving them some love today because guess what when they cover baseball They still have the resources to show some pretty cool shit Clayton Kershaw 34,374 regular season pitches lifetime Never giving up home runs on back-to-back pitches. He's done it twice in the postseason That's fucking insane and then Jim I thought this one is actually because that one's a little fluky because who cares like if you bounce a curve in between Giving up homers. You still gave up back-to-back homers. I don't really care Worst ERA when facing elimination and this is actually I don't know if you've seen this going around, but this is wild So number one worst ERA when facing elimination 39 pitchers career have 20 innings pitched. So facing elimination 20 20 innings pitch Worst is Tim Wakefield six seven five ERA tough break Tim Second is he didn't record an out right you know three. Yeah, so that's an infinity like that's tough Yeah, and I mean he's like he's the knuckleballer that would come out when you need innings So that's that is what it is Clayton Kershaw number two five seven seven Roger Clemens number three five two eight Pedro Martinez number four five one seven Mack Scherzer number five five oh six That's kind of a cool list like I don't think it's damning to be on that list Wakefield is the only oddball there So that's why it's interesting Jim is the fact that your best managers get Away from what they normally do because of the name like you just said And that's how you find yourself in a playoff situation Having a bad time Because that list outside of Tim Wakefield is like a who's who of star elite pitchers But in these games managers go out of their way to try to work them in and that's how they run into problems and I Clayton Kershaw man I mean what's when he's sitting down having breakfast today. What's he thinking? Did you hear his sad quotes? Yes Everything they say about the postseason is correct right now. It's like oh my god Yeah Not wrong No, he's not wrong. No Dodgers need to make big changes like Dave Robert should be gone For just 48 hours is on the clock if you go into next season with Dave Roberts And you go to the postseason and you lose Because of some weird managing again It's on you at that point. Yeah, it's on you management. It's on you if you make a change Right and you go to a new manager and you go to the postseason and you lose in some bad way again It's like well Nothing at least we tried something different Same result. Let's find another you know what I mean, but if you stay with Dave Roberts, it's fully on you You can't do it you you need to mix it out. I don't care how good he is in the regular season You can't put yourself in the situation where you look like fucking fools next postseason if the same thing happens Four times you need a definition of insanity Yeah, you need the change of pace and You know, I had a couple people that were like dude, this isn't the end of the Dodgers like they're still good And it's like yes, the Dodgers are still gonna be really good. They have a ton of talent But the Dodgers can never be like favorites Again until they do it. Yeah, they're like a rod and you know in the postseason or Whatever like until you do it you will be counted out. Yeah, you just can't you and that's how the that's where until To yesterday, you know, yeah elimination games the nationals a kudos to kudos to Strasburg for settling down You know cup You give up the to run home or instantly and then Kike sneaks like just gets it over the fence on you. That's brutal When they brought in Tanner Rainey, I was like we're really doing this And hey big claps for Patrick Corbin Patrick Corbin comes in he goes one point one three strikeouts after the blowout game He was in a he was in a terrible position Because when the Nats tied it up they send them back out there He potentially could have been the losing pitcher in all three games if they score to run off of them And Patrick Corbin shoved and they've only got two dudes in the bullpen They believe in Hudson and do little and they've been doing the job so far more or less So I mean big credit to the Nats and dude so it was special Soto is so special Yeah What I wanted to say before we move on is the Dodger signed AJ Pollock for big money They gave him what like four years 80 four years 50 or 60 or something like that Yeah, 460 570 something like that. I could get there He goes oh for 13 Jake. Yeah In five games didn't get a hit. That's tough Bellinger had a 549 OPS Which actually is like middle of the road for this Dodgers team and that's kind of the problem because Will Smith did nothing Corey Seeger did nothing Turner Peterson and Muncie are the people that actually did something for the Dodgers and then the other thing is so you had Pollock, right? Well, they also got this guy Joe Kelly and the reason they got him is because last post season He shut them down in the world series. He made three appearances I think three point two innings pitch or something like that zero earned runs was a big reason they lost the world series in 2018 and they sign them and He loses the playoffs from and they signed him for what three years 20 or 30 mil or something like that Something like that similar to what Britain out of Vino those guys got Yeah, so Just sucks that that guys cost you to playoffs in a row Yeah Yeah, and you gotta you gotta shuffle it a little bit It's gonna be really interesting to see because they have more young guys coming up Gavin Lux will Smith Beatty Verdugo They've got a lot of dudes they they need to shake it up I thought maybe one big trade free agent here and there but uh and the new manager Yeah, I think it's a month. I someone was asking me because I was saying there's eight managers now that Kepler got fired There's eight managerial spots open maybe nine with the Dodgers and someone was like He's got two years on his contract. Love you really think the Dodgers are gonna let him walk And I was like, I think when it care less. I think the bold move is to stick with Roberts. Yeah, that's the gutsy move. You think your guy Joe Madden's interested in this gig Yeah, he probably looked good in Dodger blue, too He looks good in everything he wears good. No picture. I'm in a pirate uniform Good-looking guy. No picture. I'm a picture in a pirate. Are you doing it? Yeah, he'd wear a pirate hat He fucking would And that's obvious they might move that he'd show up for his first day of team meeting in a pirate hat and like a parrot on his Shoulder peg leg you guys ready to have fun this season. It's like They would bring in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have that ship right past their end zone They would put one of those in Pittsburgh So now I'm rooting for Joe Madden Pittsburgh every Wednesday's penguin day every Thursday's magician day on Friday We were matching outfits and on Saturdays. We talk pirates. Hey pirates. You got a little talk this episode. Good for you guys All right, let's move on Hey before we do howie Kendrick Having a brutal series. Oh And then you just hit the series winning Grand Slam. That's baseball Like I I had a weird moment this morning where like if I have a son and he doesn't hate me Like I'm gonna when he's 12 and getting frustrated with baseball. I'm gonna be like hey watch howie Kendrick in this series Be basically miserable and then an absolute hero The X-Factor howie I'm moving on We've got another elimination game coming game five Raise at Houston Garrett Cole versus Glass now and the pen of all pens Every clinching game has been won by the road team Yankees celebrated in Minnesota Cardinals celebrated in Atlanta Nationals celebrated in Los Angeles Will the rays be celebrating in Houston Jake What's your answer? I'm too biased as a raise fan, man. Oh Jake. He raised I'm uh, I'm too deep in this dude. I I don't know. It's it's funny People love predictions and stuff and again like I yesterday you could go back on the tape I said some stuff that sounds cool about the gnats. I also said I'm kind of endeared to the baby braves Um anything can happen in the sport. So prediction is a little stupid The pressure is clearly on Houston They have the trump card of all trump cards and Garrett Cole, but Jimmy. How about that list? I just read you of Star basically the worst pitchers in elimination games are the best pitchers because they get the most leash and the most leash Doesn't necessarily pay off in playoff games I also think like to get the ball in game seven Only good pitchers get that Right. So that list is gonna be only good pitchers and Tim Wakefield. I love Tim degree and Tim Tim Wakefield will fight you like hell on that But yeah, I mean if you're Houston, you're at home You're playing the home the home field advantage card. You're playing Garrett Cole Who I think in his last 17 starts there's 17 and oh something along those lines So Houston still has a lot going for them and they are the favorites in this game the pressure is on them and It might be And I guess this is what I'll be looking for in this game to get a lean is the who makes the first bad play Who pulls the first baseman off? Who who boots a ball in the outfield and they get a they get an extra base on it because for Tampa You're the full underdogs. You're telling yourself, you know, we got to be perfect. We'll play our best games We could beat these guys if you're Tampa you boot a ball that crowd gets loud You're the rays Garrett Cole's on the mound. It starts spinning downward fast for Houston If you boot a ball or whatever happens and the rays get the early lead Now you're facing the team with the lowest payroll in baseball Who could potentially be coming back on you? From down oh to in the series. I Mean you're in a bad place. So I'm watching for the first. Who's got the first hiccup? I don't care about the first solo homer if Altuve gets glass. No in the first I wouldn't be shocked at all If Choi gets Garrett Cole, I'll be a little shocked. I'll be honest But I'm I'm looking for the first mess up because then that team is on the thinnest device Garrett Cole struck out 15 rays You're earlier in this series 15 Tommy fan had a single against him though Then a one two three inning then a one two three inning then a one two three inning then Darneau had a single Then a one do three inning then a one do three inning Then Kiermaier had a double and Adamus walked and they took him out but It's gonna be tough man. Watch out for fam. He's been the raised biggest bat seven hits in four games homerun One run scored to RBI's He's got a 440 for on base percentage, but Willie Adamus Jake in ten at bats So less at bats it's got a 615 on base percentage this series 615 really went nuts the past couple games. I Think this is gonna be a close game because The first game is a close baseball game with a dropped ball in second base Second game is a really close game 3-1 with like the tying ground at the plate in the ninth, right? Really they had the leading run on up at one point. Yeah, and in the drop Blow out and then game for not a blowout four to one But the rays dominated from start to finish in the field and with the pitching Yeah, now they're going back to Houston Houston hasn't Blown this team out yet on their own doing their biggest win was a four-run win And they got gifted two runs on a dropped pop-up So I either think I Think it's gonna be close game You would hope the Astros just the Astros haven't haven't dominated a game yet Yeah, fair to say or is that unfair? No that I think that's fair. You're right I mean the pop-up probably makes that first game a four-two game and we look at it a little differently And I mean even six to it's not it's not a domination Although I mean what Verlander and Cole did in those games, but if you're the rays you're doing everything you can to get to that Bullpen I mean, I think Garrett Cole is gonna have about a hundred fifteen bullets for you So you just got a just got a constantly put together good at bats You can't you can't go down if you go down o2 you cannot swing at that slider in the dirt You're done You have to put good good at bats together and Jim I just think and maybe it's a little shock from what we've seen yesterday, but I Don't think the only thing that would be surprising would be if Tampa won this game in a blowout Every other result would make sense. You could see Houston having a big game and being like oh you guys thought we You guys thought we were done here. We are you could see Tampa winning tight You could see Houston winning tight you could see either one of these pitching slash pitchers Dominate and be like yeah, that makes sense the the raise through seven guys and they struck out They struck out 17 hitters of their own like this this game can easily go in a number of different ways It's just it feels like it's gonna be that playoff mentality where I mean you saw it last night with the nationals like Yeah, Bueller was shoving they had some action on the bases But they knew whoever was coming out of that pen was not Walker Bueller And if we get action on the bases, you have to turn into hungry dogs And it's time to eat like you're only the rays might get two opportunities to score runs in this game And they need at least one of them Astros better be rocking it better be loud I don't know I'm excited for it And that's we I did the Atlanta st. Louis fan base thing that was kind of a weird question Nellie versus ludicrous Nellie versus ludicrous. I'm taking Nellie wall Paul wall the mouth of the South Who's that famous Tampa rapper? Florida. Oh my god. Oh Oh, I'm at this strip club. Yeah. Oh Steinburner field. Why don't the rays play here? They would sell it out, but the Steinburner's own it sound like a John LeJoy song That was John LeJoy the famous Tampa rapper. He'd actually probably love being called the Tampa rapper Jimmy again, it kind of goes back into the mentality of this game Houston what they've been planning this season and they're like a historically good team did some air quotes over here But there's a lot of stats behind that If they go down to Tampa 1-0 and 2-0 and early, I don't think that crowd's gonna be loud That's that's a proud city That might be on the verge of something not very proud Did you hear the speaking of fans that you hear? I don't know who's announcing the Dodgers game Did you hear them laugh at Dodgers fans at one point? I'm trying to think it was tie game Is there any Johnson on TBS? I think it might have been It's a tie game. I don't know who's doing it tie game Dodgers fans are intense oh to count and the batter Fouled it back the Nats batter fouled the oh to pitch and the crowd cheers And Ernie Johnson can't stop himself from chuckling. He's like They're really on edge you're cheering over foul balls now and like it's an O2 pitch. So like it. Yeah, it was kind of like Ernie couldn't even help himself a laugh at the fans Tough it's tough tough break from her Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I sure as fans got to be loud. I think they will Let's say put up a five-spot. I mean That's not even I don't have the ray. You can hot take me. I don't have the rays Blowing out the Astros if they can't that's that's the only one that would be like what the fuck is baseball anymore But no way Yeah, I mean I can see the Astros doing it and I can see it being in close game I just can't see the rays doing it in Houston. So That's all I really got I mean less glass now is overhyped Yeah, it'll be interesting to see glass no, I know this is a Something something you're into Altuve is the one that they got glass no So he's the guy to watch and again Before that out or before that Altuve Homer in the fifth. I mean glass no was cleaned through Ford looking pretty good himself It's gonna be inch what what to watch for is how much leash Are any raised pitchers gonna have it's gonna be the opposite of Dave Roberts. Yeah, hey, I have Something to do before we end the show as Yankee fans. We can give talking baseball our perspective of Who we want to play as Yankee fans and Which guy I think this is a fun question for either fan base which guy I Don't want to have to root against Which guy I don't want to have to root against okay, you go first so I can follow okay I like you just said Jose Altuve. I love watching Jose Altuve play. I love how we can Pull high fastballs. I love watching those little eggs run around like I really enjoy watching Jose Altuve play If the Astros win this game, it's Yankees versus Astros it sucks that I'm gonna have to be like Routing for him to just be awful, right? So do you have a guy on either team? I? Mean there's there's obviously the Altuve Little guy thing no, I mean it's it's a lot of the Astros I mean like you said when Verlander special It's one of the coolest thing in sports to watch if he's doing his eight innings 12 strikeouts against the Yankees That's not fun for me So yeah, you man joy. There's another I Like G man, but I'm okay with the Yankees pitchers mowing him down No problem with that Astros. Yeah, I mean like George Springer's a CT dude I weirdly root for that because I'm a pathetic loser Altuve short. I like that Verlander special. I enjoy that But yeah, I don't know I saw this circling around the internet pretty hard yesterday and the answer is the Yankees are rooting for Tampa It's it's it's it's not a debate. I am oh unless unless you feel otherwise Oh, no, I'd rather play the raise and Astros. Yeah, I mean, you know We're doing the home field advantage thing which clearly isn't as as important as we're depicting but Yankees would get home field There's that's the biggest thing You get more home games straight up you get more home games Yankee Stadium is In part of the arsenal for Yankees like yeah home games help ask the twins how they felt they're crying their little eyes out because someone said something mean to them and then like down in Tampa the rays may sell that place out there's gonna be a lot of Yankee fans there and They don't have coal and they don't have Verlander and the Yankees have dealt with openers before and they've dealt with Tampa a lot Have a winning record against Tampa 19 games and The time zone and the travel. Yeah less travel less travel and yeah, I mean they they've played Tampa a lot this year They did pretty well against them. I was were they 12 and 7 something like that. I Mean there it would Tampa would totally be Peskier and more annoying because it's like a new pitch or every inning and something like that But don't if you're one of the people out there saying no, I want the Astros men They haven't looked good. I mean we you know, their rotations a little messed up. I know It don't get me wrong It'd be it'd be slightly cooler to say you took down the Astros on the way if you do end up winning at all But you don't cares about who cares about I saw some people saying that too like what path is more impressive Afterwards and it's like oh, oh buddy buddy. No one cares about that. I think people care a little more than you think Okay, tell me that tell me the the most impressive path in history of a World Series winner Oh, you're asking someone with a bad brain. That's that's I don't think any I don't think anyone could be like You know who had an impressive path. Oh, no, but people People people love having saying you have a weak path. That's everyone comes at the Patriots for that That's a that's a big thing in sports. Yeah, I don't think anyone cares you in the world Serious Yeah So Think that's all we got right. I think that's it. That's all Well, thank you guys for joining us. We got one more game tonight and we will be back tomorrow to recap it and then I think that's it is a very short episode tomorrow Hold on what else and LCS, babe Well, but that happened Saturday, so we're gonna preview the I thought the NLCS game one was Friday night. You're correct Back to the outro. All right, cool party. Oh, this is a much easier path for us now One game at night basically except some all right. Thank you guys. See you later