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We're gonna talk about fear With regard to COVID we're gonna talk about fear with regard to I don't know Whatever you want Ukraine Russia immigration China trade any public policy issue you can come up there and fear is a Big part of it. It's how we actually Get policy past. It's actually get motivated people. It's actually get people excited, but we're particularly gonna talk about this new area in Psychology this new This new psychological phenomena called eco psychology. I'm gonna talk about eco psychology and there's treating people who have Traumatized and living in constant fear of The climate so we're gonna we're gonna talk about that. We'll also talk about a Project to bring green electricity to New York City and why it's taking More than 17 years and might take a lot longer to get it done And costing a fortune. So we'll talk a bit a little bit about that as well So we'll talk a little bit about climate change About the psychology of climate change how it impacts people and all of that you can of course Participate support the show and ask questions Get involved by using the super chat feature of YouTube We have got our usual six hundred dollar goal that we always that we always shoot for on these shows You can click the super chat button at the bottom there and and make a contribution ask a question make a comment Engage so it's a great way to both participate and a great way to support everything that I'm doing and a great way for us to be For you to be engaged with the show and and beyond live So those of you alive can do that of course those of you are not live can support the show by going to You run book show dot com slash support patreon or subscribe star and you can become a monthly supporter of the show over there I will have started having sponsorships I'll see maybe maybe tomorrow. I have to set that all up. We'll see if I If I get around to doing that Tomorrow if not, we'll start it next week, but we will start to have sponsorships for the show as well So we are we are you know on the move trying to get things trying to get things Trying to get the Iran book show to be financially Financially lucrative to keep to keep it all going Also, don't forget to like the show. Don't forget to subscribe if you're not a subscriber and don't forget to what it what is it to Like subscribe and share like subscribe and share Best friend Hank says he's just he's just finished shoveling the snow from his walkway I don't know what snow is what is snow you're gonna have to explain that to me. What does it mean? To shovel the yeah, I don't know what that is So sorry for all of you who live in very cold climates except for Jennifer who actually likes it But the rest of you Sorry about that so It turns out That there are a lot of people Young mostly young I think but but I think of a variety of ages Who are truly psychologically now disturbed? Because anxious Sad obsessed Over issues like climate. I mean I just read you a quote out of this This article. This is an article that appeared in with this article appear New York Times This article that appeared in New York Times and it's called climate change enters the therapy room enters the therapy room right and So this is Just to begin with the article it would hit Alina black in the snack aisle a Trader Joe's a Weave of guilt and shame that made her skin crawl Something as simple as nuts they came wrapped in plastic often in layers of it That she imagined leaving a house and traveling to a landfill where it would remain through her lifetime in the lifetime of her children She longed really long to make less of a mark on the earth But she also had a baby in diapers And a full-time job and a five-year-old who wanted snacks at the age of 37 These conflicting forces were slowly closing in on her like a set of jaws That's good writing right. That's a New York Times writer. That's good writing But what the article describes and what I think we all know If we engage with the culture if we know people out there in the culture if we read the newspaper if we Look at TV shows if we see what's going on in the world There are people out there and it's hard to tell how many but primarily young people who are just overwhelmed with fear Overwhelmed with fear for a lot of young people that fear is is is focused on climate change They've been told and they continue to be told that their actions and they did the actions of destroying the earth indeed. They've been told this Since pre kindergarten that every time they throw away plastic fish are dying The penguins are being killed pay they always choose the cute animals like penguins and little furry Beautiful animals are destroyed by the child's action Think of the guilt the fear That that invokes Alina black described in the article spends her evenings after the kids are down to sleep Scrolling the internet and reading scary articles about how the world around her is collapsing Droughts fires Hurricanes all caused By the nuts she buys a Trader Joe's All caused by her actions by the car. She drives by the SUVs out By the trees that were chopped down to build a house by the plastic that is created by burning by from fuel By the energy consumed when she turns on the lights It's all destroying the very place the very place Where her kids are going to grow up Where kids she would hope Or is planning for to have a future And that future is gone in a sense she Her generation, but she specifically is killing the future for her kids They call it go describe a grandfather who is a scientist Who breaks out in tears every time he thinks about the world that he's living for his grandkids He's a glacier scientist for I don't know how long has this been going on. It's certainly since the 1980s early 1990s, right? So this is 30 years now 30 plus years We have been constantly systematically Being bombarded with the idea That the world that we are killing the planet Which we rely on for our lives We are being fed the myth That we have we're in this perfect planet That is completely structured To provide all of our needs And that we through our actions Are destroying it or collapsing it and by doing that committing suicide And we are convincing them We have you know, we are we're convincing people Have been convincing people have been non-stop and A whole generation I'd say probably two generations now have been brought up on this And are convinced that this is true And and what does this do it creates guilt and fear It it so reminds me of christianity Which creates guilt and fear And and what is what is the purpose of creating guilt and fear? I mean christianity creates guilt, you know, it's your fault. Jesus god crucified your fault You know, you are a sinner. You've always been a sinner. You always will be a sinner and fear of god's wrath fear of an afterlife in hell in eternity in hell Fear that nothing you can do in this world will ever make up for your sins Sins that you might not even have aware that have been committed committed in your name before time fear and guilt and You know, the the the article describes how there's a whole field now of eco psychology Of psychologists that have become experts at treating people who feel this anxiety And and and it turns out that they're not a few um People who uh, you know, I've developed all kind of psychological techniques To deal with this now a big part of this a big part of the psychological techniques At least from what I can glean of this article. It's not not not a very in-depth article is To tell people that it's not their fault That they can't control what tager joe sells They can't control the world The jest this destruction is happening But it's really those evil corporations that are doing it. It's really the evil government that's doing it. It's not them They have no choice. They shouldn't stress about it because because they shouldn't internalize the blame It's not their fault And and you know, they just should accept it. This is what's happening. You know, uh, this woman who Um is uh is getting therapy. She says obviously it would be nice to be happy But my goal is more to just be able to function because I mean The world is closing in on her. This is real stuff. This is really scary Why guilt and fear? Well, because guilt and fear are great mechanisms by which we can control people Guilt and fear is how we control people. They feel guilty. They want to do something They're afraid they have to do something something To make the guilt be a little less and make the fear And of course if you make people afraid One thing fear is very good at doing for most people It's just very good at shutting down reason It's very good at I have to do something now. It's kind of this in a sense survival instinct We don't really have one but you know, these survival emotions come to the forefront I have to act after do something because i'm afraid And uh, all you need now is somebody to come and guide you and tell you what needs to be done And people are willing to do absurd ridiculous things In the name of climate change not because they've gone through a rational process Of estimating what's happening and what's going to happen and How we can mitigate it and and what are the projects that could reduce the effect of this and how they can live a better life And how human beings can deal with it and handle it and support it and survive and thrive and Whatever There's no no fear The whole point of making people really really really afraid is to shut that down Because what the power is to be what the people who really pitching this don't want you to do is find solutions The one thing they're not interested in is actually solving the problem Because once you solve the problem, they don't have the hooks into you They don't have the guilt they can't control So they want you to be in the state of fear Because when you're in the state of fear You're not a good thinker You're not particularly rational You're not looking for solutions You're looking to lash out Again, not everybody experiences fear experiences this way But yes, and they and they keep knocking down the solutions whenever you propose a solution to climate change Assuming it exists, right? Assuming it's a problem. Whatever you propose a solution. They knock it down They they find a reason not to do it. They find a reason to do it Okay, let's build lots of solar panels, but but what about what about the rats? What about what about the the cacti? What about I don't know make it up some worm or something. Let's build a dam Oh, we can't do a dam If you do a dam the trees will be flooded and then they'll suck less CO2 out of the atmosphere And and what about all the habitat for the spotted owl? I don't know They don't want solutions. I you know, so I've got a perfect example of this So we're going to take a little detour now detour now and we're going to talk about this one example of uh Of a project that's supposed to help reduce carbon emissions, right? and uh Reduce our dependence on those evil evil fossil fuels and and let's see how people deal with this, right? And you can see that Nobody wants solutions Nobody wants solutions What they want is for you to be afraid what they want Is for you to feel guilty what they want Is for you to be vulnerable All right, so this is a project in new york state That has the potential to provide 20 percent of new york city's electricity. That's a lot of electricity 20 percent and a 20 percent of new york electricity would come from existing dams in kubek canada so it turns out that canada produces a huge amount of hydroelectric electricity more than they can consume And the canadiens because they're really nice people. Well Not so nice images right now coming on television from Ottawa, but you know, they're supposed to be nice people Are willing to share or sell that electricity to new york city And of course because the dam is already built and because it just uses water It's already It's green. It's considered green. It's not Niagara Falls. It's in kubek It's already existing dam. They're not building any new dams. God forbid. We actually built something and change nation So the dam exists. We want to get that electricity from kubek to new york city And this would I don't know how expensive it would be that just it doesn't matter because our goal here Remember our goal is to reduce carbon emissions. So we want We want to stop using Far south fuels to produce electricity. So here's the perfect alternative perfect alternative So, okay, so how difficult could this be right kubek to new york city is not that far Not that far It's 339 miles I'm not even sure if this is the direct route or not the direct route with 339 miles from kubek's remote forests to new york city Right and We could We could provide 20% of electricity for New york, it would diversify You would have fewer power outages and of course you would reduce the dependence on carbon fuels Now this project was first proposed 17 years ago 17 years ago Um, it is funded by blackstone a private private equity group private money Um, you know, it's a chaplain hudson power express Putting four and a half billion dollars into into doing this And you would think that this is yeah, this is pretty straightforward, right you you power transmission In kubek you put up lines You pull the lines down to new york city and you're done, right? Not that hard Most of the way Between kubek and new york city is forest. Nobody lives there. Nobody's there So you put the power lines in and you know, not that expensive and it's pretty cool Oh, no, no, no, wait a second You can't put power lines up Although power lines are like ugly I'm not gonna have you know, we've got pristine nature here You can't build towers and put up power lines and pristine nature That is unacceptable. There are a million Not in my backyard groups along the way that opposes there's massive environmental challenges I'm sure there's some bears who lives there as jennifer says That wouldn't like it. I mean it would spoil their view Vacationers who hike Might happen across a power line and that's not acceptable. You can't do that So here we are with an effort to get quote clean power To new york city that would fund a significant part 20% of all new york city's existing. That's a lot Can't do it power lines can't can't do it because not in my backyard and all the rest of it, right? all right, so Let's put it under the ground well You're not gonna put it under the ground. I mean this is It's 300 something miles of woods mountains You'd create massive environmental damage if you did this you'd have to knock down trees You'd have construction equipment. You dig in the ground. Who knows what kind of worms and animals live down there under the ground um It would take years it just think of the cost the cost would be Astronomical it would make it completely invisible four and a half billion dollars would not be enough to do it So it's just no way no way it would take forever and it's just non doable you cannot You cannot it would it would be too expensive too expensive All right, so we can't do it overhead You can't do it under the ground. So what do you do? now here is where You can see Private enterprise you can see private entrepreneurs Private equity actually coming out with a brilliant idea I mean this is really cool What did they decide to do? They decided to run the cables Under the water So they can go in in the lakes of connecticut Get to the Hudson river And go along the Hudson river All the way to new york city BAM There's the power No, not in my backyard because there's no you can't see the cable. It's it's under the water There's absolutely. I mean this is brilliant Of putting it under the water. I mean who would have thought of that? I wouldn't have She can't go in and inhabit a forest. She can't bury the lines because it's too expensive Since that you put it under the water Now this is not a solution for other potential power lines It's not a solution everywhere. They're gonna have to find their own imaginative ways Maybe they can beam the electricity space and beam it back down. I don't know alone musk will probably figure something out But instead they're gonna go In the water in the river All right Well, that's great So here they are ready to lay the line in the Hudson river and then they discover The EPA the environmental protection agency a section off a portion of the Hudson where sediment was contained by polychrolinated biphenyl PCBs There were dumped decades ago in the river by general electric And if you trench the river to put the cable in you're unorthodox And That's going to create obviously environmental disaster things People will you know fish will die people that who knows what will happen? all right So uh blacks don't say okay get it. We don't want to do that. We you know god you Will go around so there's a there's a I guess a way to go around the sections they go around It's a 118 mile detour. All right, so this will take another three years, but we'll go around Expensive, but we'll do it. All right fine now In addition in order to do all this right There was uh, there were complaints about what's this going to do the fish So, um Lacks on how to hire environmental consultants Who spent the summer of 2010 this is 10 12 years ago already? Watching patches of blue lupin for endangered corner blue butterflies and frosted elfens A threatened species. I don't know what any of that means, but you get the drift of that, right? They spurted two corners And wrote a plan for avoiding damage to wildflowers upon which the butterflies rely Arrangements also made to protect bold eagle nests That might be present during construction Not in the long run because the cable is going to be in the water, but during construction and identify Shagbark hickories anybody know what a shagbark hickory is big enough for the endangered Indiana bat to roost There's an Indiana bat that's endangered that roosts in new york. I mean who knew that there was an Indiana bat in new york then of course They found out that they couldn't dig beneath Have a store bay. I don't know where that is but somewhere in the Hudson because there's an endangered atlantic sturgeon lives in Have a store bay So they had to redraw the route again to go around have a stone debate now all of this All of this in spite of all of this in spite of them going around and doing the environmental inspections and the environmental this And environmental that and trying to appease this group and trying to appease daggers and trying to appease everybody in spite of all of it This project is opposed by the seara club local new york-based energy companies A bipartisan group republicans and democrats republicans Well, I should say democrats and republicans of lawmakers and the labor union opposed this The seara club argues listen to this one that importing power Importing power from canada Does two bad things for the environment one It threatens the development of in-state renewable energy projects So if you import it in energy from canada, you won't build solar panels in new york Solar farms and windmills in new york, but wait a minute. Why do you care where the energy comes from? Isn't what's matter that it has a low carbon footprint supposedly Why do you want windmills in new york? You can get the you can get the energy from canada Let them do it So no we're against import we're against trade God forbid energy comes from a different state and This could all cause environmental damage in canada. Maybe maybe maybe if this plan works Canada will build more hydroelectric dams and export more energy to the united states Hydroelectric dams are really evil according to the seara club and we don't want to give them an incentive to build more So we want the project to fail Even though hydro kebek Which is providing the electricity for this is sworn On they got mothers whatever that they have no plans for new hydroelectric facilities By the way, all of this I am cribbing off of the grumpy economist. This is all in john cochran's latest piece You know, I love john cochran's blog blog. He's brilliant. He's excellent. This stuff is great So i'm basically stealing this from john cochran As I encourage you to to go to john cochran and But that's not just the seara club, right? So there's a Operator of the soon to be closed nuclear power plant called indiana paint points, right? They're against it because They want to be able to charge high electricity prices In the state of new york So the power companies in new york upstate new york Want to be want to be the one selling new york city electricity and they want to be able to charge high prices because they don't want competition And the canadiens are coming in evil canadiens again ruining everything And They're providing clean energy lower prices. That's not good So, you know, you've got the international brotherhood of electrical workers local 97 Is arguing that it threatens upstate renewable projects And would eliminate the need for additional gas-fired plants to be deleterious to new york state energy jobs So they're worried about jobs God and he just goes on and on and on and on and and think about this I mean, this is the best Line in the article and it's great to see john frocker insane this and I wish more people got this But he says more generally this whole story Is a reminder why a legal system of property rights rather than political permission is the only way to run a successful economy In other words, this is inevitable if you give pressure groups economic power This is inevitable if you give politicians economic power The beauty of a system of property rights is You own the river you get a say in what I do in your river You don't own the river none of your business stay out of it You own the land I can put my stuff on your land if we come to an agreement if you don't I can't I mean the developers of this project have pledged millions of dollars to train new yorkers for green energy jobs They're funded in environmental trust with 117 million dollars talk about Gangsta bribery The extortion not bribery This is don colione type way of doing business right where the the the the the environmentalists Demand to be paid. Otherwise, I'll stop your project Of course the supply project they haven't got a contract yet with the city of new york for the electricity and City of new york right now needs to get permission from the new york public services committee commission And the new york public services committee has one group that keeps it's a nonprofit called river keeper That is dedicated to protecting the hudson and they don't like the project because they're saying that the transmission line could lead to additional dams in Quebec that would possibly expose indigenous people To met the l mercury a new tungsten Created by microbes and freshly flooded soils that can pass up the food chain to people who live off the land Now it happens that there is actually exactly zero evidence That Metho mercury is a threat From any of the dams in canada. So you see they come up with excuses They just make them up out of thin air Hypothetically dams can cause this extraction of mercury that can then poison everybody It never happens, but it could ever never ending list of reasons When not to act a never ending list of reasons Why not to solve the problem? It's much better to be afraid It's much better to feel guilty It's much better To do what you're told and to stay quiet Best fit hank says you won't keep swearing today. Where's my sweat pool? I thought I thought dollars was associated with me swearing What what what's happened best fit hank? It's damn. Yeah, no, it's damn. It's it's damn damn This is the key line in in Cochrane's article I mean the one was the positive property rights of all these problems The second one is the key line in terms of the incentive motivation Obviously the answer here is simple Don't build anything Freeze in the dark or more likely How about a hundred million grand for us too? The whole environmental movement It's not about solving problems It's not about finding solutions It's about stopping It's about regression It's about stagnation And it's about extortion And it's about eliciting fear Because people who are fearful Can be Manipulated people who are fearful can be controlled People who feel guilty Can be told that it's okay to freeze that it's okay to stop That it's okay that they hard-earned money is going to groups. They've never heard of protecting stuff They don't care about because it's all for some common good it's all For something that's supposed to alleviate their fears, but actually doesn't it makes them all worse All geared ultimately You know towards the destruction of capitalism, but more broadly it's geared towards the destruction of freedom Of any kind of freedom that we have be afraid to produce To build to act now that is one project That is one project that is well funded With people figuring out as they go along and figuring out solutions. It's going to take 20 plus years And they're probably going to get it done in spite of all the obstacles and they're going to pay people $100 here $100 million here $100 million in and just going to pay it all out And they're going to get it done Blackstone will get it done But think about how many projects How many projects That would improve our world That would make our life better That would make things cheaper And in the case of green energy or whatever you want to call it Make us less dependent on any one source of energy for electricity How many projects never take off are never started Somebody has an idea and then he goes God the regulators would never allow that scrap that God that would cost me a lot of money to bribe all the environmental groups scrap that God there's no way that let me do that scrap that How many How much richer how much wealthier Could we be today if we built Built just straight construction stuff. This is the world of atoms not the world of Of electrons in the physical world if we just built stuff the way we did in the 19th century the way we did in the early 20th century How much richer how much more efficient how much more productive? Would we be? I mean california has a drought. Let's build desalination plans They have a drought what rains a lot somewhere else. Let's build a canal We have traffic jams. Let's tattle under them Let's build more roads Oh, there's not enough housing. Let's build lots of skyscrapers If you can feel if you can fit seven and a half million people into hong kong island And they're adjoining adjoining areas you can filter a lot of people into the bay area a lot Imagine i'm a civil engineer in a previous life. I am um Imagine if civil engineering came back if we could actually do something If civil engineers were actually allowed to do civil engineering projects Build highways and tunnels and dams skyscrapers and water projects And imagine if all of that happened in a world of private property How cheap that would be how efficient that would be effective that would be how rich we would be I mean And if there was let's say a climate crisis Imagine if we deploy it All of our all of private resources because private people care about I don't know. Let's say there was a crisis about not dying Deploy those resources deploy that energy deploy those smarts deploy that capital Deploy that ingenuity To solve the problem. It would be like that wouldn't be a problem. We'd solve it like that I mean, I was just reading an article about a company that bill gates has funded don't hold it against them A company that bill gates has founded. It's not it. Maybe it's not a company. It's a research project out of MIT. I think it's MIT um about putting This material up in the atmosphere that would um cool the planet So if it's warming If it were true if it really is catastrophic We could put up a chemical out in atmosphere and we could test it We could try it out We could do all kinds of things and it would bounce the sun rays back to the sun It would cool the planet and we could do a little bit to start off with and see what the effect was and play around with it And figure it out But that's again a project that would never be approved. That's again a project that people are so afraid of God that's human beings playing god You can't do that. What if it goes wrong? Then we fix it And the fundamental here is is the fundamental cause of this fear It's not Climate change For all I know climate change could be real the fundamental fear is not This idea that the sea levels will rise. Maybe they will Best friend Hank. Thank you for the support. I appreciate it. I don't know Let's assume they will The fundamental cause of this is not I don't know more hurricanes or more droughts or whatever The fundamental cause of the fear Again, as Alex Epstein has shown many many times as others have shown but Alex in particular Almost nobody very few people die today of climate related problems So even if they're accelerating if they're growing That risks to our actual lives on a day-to-day basis is very small Now you might say oh in the future maybe to get worse. Maybe maybe But why even if all of that were true? Why would I not be afraid? Because I know every one of those problems is solvable Because I know Every one of those problems Every one of those problems has a technological solution And I have a profound belief in the ability of human beings to solve these kind of problems I always say they build dykes to protect amsterdam hundreds of years ago from flooding You think we can protect florida today if we had to Of course we could we build houses today. They don't blow away when a howie can hits We can have israel today provides I think all of its water From desalination plants And yeah, that requires a lot of energy right nuclear fusion thermal from kebek It's a little far for california But california could build nuclear power plants have a little mini nuclear power plants at every desalination plant Or natural gas Why why why am I supposed to keep amsterdam out of this amsterdam is a great example? I love amsterdam So the real source of the fear The real source of the fear Is a lack of trust and belief in human reason A lack of belief in human beings ability to solve problems Escepticism About reason and science and engineering Escepticism that is fed by our elites and by the people in power Who convince constantly convince people the technology cannot solve problems the technology is the problem Big tech evil big tech The real source of this Is the fact that We elevate emotions over reason We've abandoned this positive idea that we had in the 19th century and again I think in the early and mid 20th century that we can solve anything that there's no Challenge that nature throws us that that we can't solve and also and and here are inspired by uh By david doigt's book But it's something i've argued many times and many others have argued many times Oh, thank you tika. Wow Really appreciate that 99 99 he Tika says it the app won't let him round it after 100 99 99 is great um The the this idea that human beings Um were born into as a species we were born into this Perfect environment. We were born into this planet that's going to protect us and shield us Everything's just there. It's a garden of eden This goes back to the garden of eden myth, which I talk about periodically Action jackson if you're listening to this you need to make A series of short videos of me talking about the garden of eden myth because I I think it's important And I think it's powerful and I think people might actually watch it. Anyway, um Maybe I should do a series of lectures on um on biblical stories Somebody's done that already. Oh, yeah, that's right Jordan peter's anyway, I could I could do one So the idea is what do they call it spaceship earth? This is what I'm taking for david doge spaceship earth We have earth. It's this spaceship built for human beings And if we don't screw it up if we don't screw it up, we can survive here forever Spaceship earth is amazing But that's just not true The earth is unbelievably hit inhospitable to human life It would be very difficult For human beings to survive on this planet Without us Changing it The only reason We can sustain eight billion people on planet earth today or a million people on planet earth The only reason we can sustain a million people on planet earth or even 500,000 people on planet earth Is by using our reason to change the world to fit our needs If a flood we build dikes we did build dams If they're droughts We figure out how to channel water from the lake to do our agriculture If we need a hunt We develop tools and weapons and strategies to get the animals Nature doesn't like us We're not a species that has evolved To survive With the way the world is We're a species that evolved To change nature so that we could survive to change the world to make it ours Wes, thank you for the support really appreciate it $50 Chugging along here guys What makes human beings human beings Is the fact that we must As a requirement for survival and requirement for thriving Change the world to fit our needs We must Change our environment. We must exploit nature. Otherwise, we die So if you really want to be afraid Then be afraid of the shutting down of technology Be afraid of not allowing us to build power plants and power lines and big Canals and desalination plants and all the things and electricity for air conditioning and all the things that allow us to live in las vegas in the summer And in alaska in the winter Because we couldn't without heating and without air conditioning Without electricity without transportation And need the thing to require the human mind and this is again, this is the garden of heathen's story The fall as described in the garden of eden in in uh, sorry in genesis the fall of man Which is getting kicked out of the garden of eden Is the beginning of being human The fall represents our need To work to change the environment of fit our means it the fall represents reason and free will Before that we were animals animals don't have reason don't have free will they just accept the environment the way it is They succeed or they die based on the seasons based on the environment human beings don't Human beings change adapt We don't somebody reminds you of a landed peak of talk called the evil of respecting nature. Yeah, our job is in respect nature Our job is to change manipulate Exploit there's a word for you exploit nature for what? For own well-being for own survival So it's not planet ship earth Now we as human beings Are in a hostile environment And a place not built for us it's built For the chimpanzees and the microbes and the snails and the owls and it's built for them But even there if it changes a little bit some of them will die out Not built for human beings For human beings to thrive in this environment We must change it We must adapt it to our needs So the fear that's being elicited here Is a fear of human of is a fear that is so it source Is our belief that we cannot That we will fail to change environment to feed our needs It's a fear that's focused on a lack of belief in reason a lack of acceptance of reason And its ability to be successful its ability to change the world No, it's hostile. It's hostile in not in a sense of intention It's hostile in a sense that you just go naked into nature everything around you And if you cut off reason everything about you is going to kill you You're not going to survive Reason allows us to pacify nature Hostile not in intention, but hostile in action And the first human communities couldn't grow very much because the environment in which they lived was too hostile for human formishing They had to figure out solutions They took them tens of thousands of years to figure out those solutions so they could grow and expand and Go into other areas and change their environment so that they could live They could grow But it's you know, again not intentionally hostile, but existentially hostile absolutely Having animals running around all around you cheetahs lions. I don't know that's hostile Having snakes that's hostile again snakes are not dated Their purpose in life is not to get you but they will get you If you don't do something about it and of course weather Human beings are not good in cold and extreme heat They need water Droughts That's nature being hostile again, not intentionally, of course Oh thanks as mosquitoes. God. I hate mosquitoes. Yeah, I have no idea why we don't wipe out mosquitoes. All right so the real challenge And the real way to overcome the fear Is not to start knocking them down. Oh, it's not the earth isn't warming and this Fact is wrong and the hockey stick is wrong and this is wrong and that is wrong and all these things are wrong Ultimate solution because and and by the way, this is the same thing with cove it the same thing with cove it Oh my god, this virus is gonna kill us all virus has always been around We have a capacity to think figure it out solve problems Give us the facts. Let us decide how to live how to behave. What to do should we remaster should we remaster? What kind of medicines work what don't work what vaccines work what don't work We'll figure it out. We'll solve the problem. What's there to be afraid of well? You have to be afraid because if you're not afraid how are we gonna lock you up? How are you gonna control you? How are you gonna make you dependent on government? And of course It's not even and here's there is an important point It's not even the politicians and and the people at the top are scheming evil conspiratorial rulers of the world no for the most part They're afraid They're petrified. They have no clue. What's going on? And they're scared And they the way in which they respond to fear Is by inflicting stuff on you if I'm scared I'm gonna make you scared too And I'm gonna make you do what I tell you And that's gonna help shield me I've I'm more and more and more less likely to believe In the evil genius madman in the background scheming to take control over the world I've never met anybody competent enough to do that It was bad bad people are just not competent and they tend to be super emotional super fearful But if you look at all these issues All these issues the solution to any real issue any real problem Is reason just to think more If we undermine reason All were left with his emotion all were left with his fear All were left with his responses to fear all were left for with his control So if we're gonna fight Climate change and covet authoritarianism and the left and the right and stupid politicians rushing us to war and fear of trade and even fear of china What we need to elevate We we it's it's gonna be impossible to knock them down knock each one of them down not each one of them out Prove that each one of them is wrong. Don't think of this. Don't think of that What we need to do is elevate The methodology What methodology the methodology of reason the methodology of science the methodology of the way human beings Make the world their own All of these problems are solvable All of these problems require thinking require freedom And they're solvable, but that's not the environment we live in. I mean just look at What's going on in every issue from covert to climate to to uh, to uh, I don't know the world with ukraine and russia fear mongering hysteria panic reason Thinking facts evidence thoughtful analysis Nobody cares about that. Nobody wants it because for years and years and years for decades now We've been taught that reason is not efficacious reason won't solve the problems thinking is not the solution and we've just been taught To accept the fear That's what these psychologists are telling this woman. It's accepted World is going to hell. Just have to accept it You have to learn to live with the fear. You have to learn to manage the fear Don't look at the source Don't look at actual solutions That would be relying too heavily on flawed human beings and flawed reason and our flawed ability No evidence zero zilch So much of this world can be explained through kind of just looking at it from the perspective of People are just guided by emotion And the dominant emotions by a lot of these things are fear and guilt Oh, I see that I see in the chat. They're talking about bats from china I don't even think the bats were from china. They the the closest relative To the corona virus was found in bats from laos not even in china laos They might have made it to a lab in china, but the bats themselves might be from laos Anyway, who knows we don't know Might never know given given the way china's behaving might never know where covid actually came from all right Let's look at uh, all right Let's start with some 50 dollar questions. We have friend harper with a 50 dollar question I have many friends who vow never to bring kids into the world due to climate catastrophe. Oh, I meant to mention this One of the reasons both rates are down one of the reasons anxiety suicide drugs opioids all these things are up Is because of fear My job is going to be taken away the economy is going to crash We're going to have hyperinflation and by the way The earth is going to boil over and we're all going to die Who the hell wants to bring kids into a world like this? And they're all going to be worn the chinese are going to conquer us so when people want to explain that reduction in In um Both per capita. I say it's fear I say it's psychological It's all about fear. Nobody wants to bring people Babies into the world if the world's going to end If the world's horrible if there's no hope no chance And it's more than that because I was on a panel uh at a conference talking about White people having less sex And I think it's the same reason people are having less sex. There's statistics that show Survey data that shows that people are having less sex today than they did 30 years ago in all age groups But particularly young young people Are having 35 percent less sex and they did 30 years ago Now, why is that? Well, if sex is a celebration of life If sex is an affirmation of the value of life and the value of living You're not going to have sex if you're depressed. You're not going to have sex if you're afraid You don't have sex. You're not going to have sex if you think the world's going to end tomorrow I mean people think What would you do if you knew there was going to end tomorrow and he had 24 hours to live and people say Oh, I'd have a lot of sex. No, you wouldn't actually Because that part of you would shut down sex is an affirmation of life And it shuts down the desire for it shuts down with fear. It shuts down with The the knowledge or the conviction that the world's going to end It works exactly the opposite You it's impossible to be a real hedonist Enjoy just that pleasure because the pleasure becomes meaningless if the world's going to end tomorrow And that's why all this catastrophism I think is causing people to have less sex Of course the other thing I should have mentioned this during the rant I'll get to fenn hopper's question in a minute is that People have no sense of how good life is today Then even if it gets harder even if things get bad, it still will be a thousand times better than it was 200 years ago All right fenn hopper goes on. I've been taking in books I've been taking in books. I hear about on power hour. That's a lexeption show And try to share that there is no catastrophe, but I'm not a scientist. I only wish to resolve uncertainty. Yeah I mean, that's all you can but the point is I mean my attitude is I don't know. Maybe there'll be a catastrophe Let's hold it. What's the catastrophe? Where's it coming from? I think we can solve it so I don't think there's a catastrophe But even if there is so what? We got brains to deal with catastrophes among other things. I mean human beings have always dealt with catastrophes The lions have been stealing our babies and eating them. How are we gonna deal with that? They're big and strong powerful. Oh scary well Build a weapon catch the lions kill them all so The whole This is how we function We solve problems Joe says catastrophism is a direct consequence of christian s I can't say that word s s is somebody's gonna have to Phonetically tell me how that's pronounced. Anyway. Yes, it's out of christian doctrine The whole idea of catastrophe It really comes out of christianity and neoplaton christianity in particular. There's a whole pessimistic view In neoplatonism and in christianity About the end of the world the end of civilization civilizations have to decline have to go off They have to be a reckoning. They have to be a day of judgment Every period in christian history has always predicted that the day of judgment is just around the corner People don't know this but luther for example Believe that during his lifetime Everything's gonna end. You know the what do you call it the the Jesus was gonna reappear and we were gonna have the the big battle between satan and god or whatever the story is Every every generation has catastrophes And we've gone from But but see the difference is this Those catastrophes the christian catastrophes Are ones we can't do anything about Can't do any it's predestined judgment day. Thank you. It's predestined No matter what we do as human beings it'll happen We have no control over when It's just we know it's gonna happen someday And and this constantly happens and Now it's not this is the difference with the christians. It's not Now it's up to us now. We're causing it now in christianity. We're causing it But we're causing it by a very nature But there's nothing we can do about it One of the reasons christians are terrified of death is in protestantism at least in lutherism and calvinism You're predetermined in terms of whether you go to heaven or hell So nothing you do in life matters So and almost everybody according to luther almost everybody goes to hell God's grace is applied to very few people according to luther, right And this is why protestantism is a splinters and all kinds of sects because each one is a different interpretation of these things I mean they're afraid of death because they're gonna land up in hell But they're also afraid of death because they've never lived See if you live If you're actually alive if you embrace every day if you make the most of every day if you live a full life Then okay, it's over but I lived it but if you If you don't live Then you constantly end regret I wasted the life I wasted it And now you're afraid of death because There's no coming back. I don't know. Do you remember the question? What was the question? Anyway, I think I answered it um Quick scan if there will be any other $50 questions. No Before I do that, let me just check up on where we are in terms of the super chat. Oh Only 63 dollars away from 600. So, you know three $20 questions and then somebody throwing a 10 and we're done. So hopefully so only $20 questions moving forward Um, we've got a lot of questions here only $20 questions moving forward and it would be great if we got to 600 So, uh, please help us out. All right. Let's let's just go down the $20 questions Although I do want to do some that are related to the topic we talked about Okay, Shahzabat says if you want to reduce mosquito population, you can build a bat shelter on your property. They eat 200 mosquitoes per day There's an easier way You can genetically modify the genes of a bat of a mosquito to uh to basically Kill off all the other mosquitoes. They did this. They developed these mosquitoes during, um What do you call zika during zika? And the funny thing is the Florida mosquitoes are imported from Africa. They're not even local Right. So destroying all the mosquitoes in Florida, for example, would not change the ecosystem Because the ecosystem this is a fawn invader And so they developed these and they were going to release them in the Florida Keys And I think I think it was stopped by the environmentalist. How do you play god? How do you? Eliminate a whole species. How do you? Intervene but we have the technology today to basically wipe out Even without using bats the whole mosquito population who the whole wants bats on their property Ooh, that's spooky. Plus you might get a corona virus Um, all right, let's see Tom says, what do you know about advanced fission? fission of fusion nuclear technology Liquid fuel thorium reactors can melt down eat up nuclear waste as fuel and thorium is everywhere in the world. Wouldn't this solve energy problems? Yes Yes, I know there's a lot of money being raised today for fusion reactors I know the Scandinavians are very interested in thorium reactors I know there's a lot of money going into this technology But it's much more likely to be built outside the united states and inside the united states much more likely to china Or fans or norway or finland or sweden Oh, this is fission not fusion build one of these than it is the united states we're so shut down in terms of innovation at the atom level at the atomic level so It's um, I don't know much about the technology itself. I heard a little bit about thorium But there are a lot of nuclear power Plants that are super safe super clean Uh, the the french nuclear power plants and new ones have no waste they completely recycle it Um, this sorry fission. I get it fission not fusion. I don't know any I don't know much about fission other than I've heard about I don't know the science. I don't know the physics. I don't pretend to know any of that But great. I'm all for it. Put it that way Go for it um Let's see gale says we try to gather support for declaration of dependence in canada until I discovered objective isn't philosophy is the only way it is But this is the thing about philosophy It takes time it takes a long time And it's hard work And it takes the kind of work It is unappreciated It takes the kind of work That is that you don't see results for a long long time. So it's not Satisfying and fulfilling because the results are not there And it takes decades and decades of work And it's hard and frustrating and disappointing Because you work and you work and you work and you don't see the changes in the world But for me at least I mean, uh, the gratification I get is from you guys I I got another email the other day from from somebody in denver um You guys who who again one mind at a time Who who have who have expressed the fact that they're changing that they are, you know Gale discovered objectivism. All right one more one more fighter for the right cause And you just do this and you do this and you do this And if we can raise this ability of objectivism who raise Popularity of objectivism we get more people to read more people to think more people to engage with these ideas That's how you change the world you change People's minds They go out into the culture With a new behavior and new values and new attitudes That ultimately changes the culture And then The politics will change But the problem is that the politics in the meantime are getting worse and worse and worse and worse Things that are TV rating are ever going great And yet there's no shortcut It's still true that the only way to stop it the only way to reverse cause Is The battle of ideas slow One mind at a time Unbelievably frustrating People hate it because there's no action How many people on my chat have have attacked me because I just talk No action just talk Because and I get it I get it. It's not that I I mean I get it they're frustrated They want action lots of people have told me they they lift objectivism and joint the alt-right because alt-right acts they want action Yeah But action without thought action without the right ideas action without a right philosophy will only bring about a worse world Not a better one all right Ooh frank jumped in he says all fear and guilt Distinct emotions all fear and guilt distinct emotions because they are stuck in duality Unlike other emotions which are more personally resolvable Um, I don't know that they are distinct emotions. I think fear Is a very very very more than guilt Fear is a very kind of primal in a sense that it's a very basic emotion right a baby can't feel guilt Guilt is a sophisticated emotion Guilt is this emotion that requires you to understand action and consequence To understand that some action caused harm that you're responsible for that harm And that's not good and that being responsible for the harm is not good So it requires a whole sequence of events including A sense of morality Fear does not a baby feels fear can feel fear Um So fear is is very primal um, it's it's it's a it's a it's a It's like very similar to the pain at the level of of emotion level of of the pain pleasure It's it's to let you know that something is really bad that you need to do something that you need to act that you need to protect yourself It should be an emotion that says think Where's the where's the where's the danger? Where is it? What I need to do? How do I solve it? How do I get around it? How do I protect myself and the way to resolve fear is Again, it's too and it is personally resolvable in the sense that fear is resolvable through solutions Through either figuring out that there's nothing to be afraid of no There is you know, there is no crisis here Or there is a crisis. I know how to solve it So fear is resolvable And guilt is resolvable guilt requires a different methodology because guilt requires you to think through And guilt might be owned Guilt might be out a kind of a sphere might be owned. They might be just to fight emotions emotions to reflect reality And guilt to the resolution of guilt is If you deserve the guilt To to make you a compense to acknowledge it to acknowledge your failure to make you a compense and to get it behind you If it's unearned guilt to figure out why you feel unearned guilt and to resolve whatever conflicts are within you that brings that about Um, let's see did that. Okay. Um Badly says, how did you unravel the guilt fear and second-handiness from the world when you found ran? Can you share specific examples? How long did it take? Um, I don't know I don't know. I mean, I I don't think because I read it who because I read I ran early young when I was young I don't think I had a lot of guilt and fear in me Fear I I don't remember being afraid at all Maybe some guilt good Jewish guilt second-handiness certainly um And it took me I mean my problems were collectivism and altruism. Those were hard to get over Those had deep kind of emotional roots in my in me that it was hard to unravel and those took in some cases years to get out of maybe three five seven um And the more you understand objective is the more you see The impact of altruism collectivism in the world out there the more you see The benefits of individualism the benefits of egoism out there and in you The the the better you cope the better you can the better you can Unravel the the the bs, but it takes a long time. I don't have specific examples That I can think of off the cuff sorry let's see all right, I see a lot of uh Ryan Ward says please interview Alex Epstein on his new book for yourself. You're for you. Yes, I'm I'm you know I I have I think we're doing it in april I don't have a date yet, but we're talking about an interview So we'll definitely do an interview around when the book comes out He wants to have the most bang for the buck So we'll do it when the when it's around the the book coming out. Hopefully all of you will pre-order the book and then But yes, I'll definitely have alex on the show All right, let's just go down from the beginning 20 dollar questions and then just go through all of them whether they are Whether they are part of it or not Ali says hi, I want to ask about how we can preserve some cultures from globalization Let us say japanese culture for example. It is unique in its own way people. They are polite hard-working civilized. How do we preserve it? Who's we I don't know who we is Japanese people can make the effort to stay polite hard-working and civilized In spite of globalization, but who's we the committee responsible for the preservation of cultures The the the authoritarians in charge of deciding which culture should be preserved and which shouldn't I mean, I would argue ultimately that One of the things that makes up culture good is its ability to persevere Maybe the reason some cultures disappear is because they're no good So I think the two things that are needed to preserve good cultures One for the culture to be good Two for the people in the culture to know it's good to be proud about those aspects that are good And to preserve them in their lives in their actions in their behaviors as individuals But we don't want a french language committee We don't want a cultural preservation committee the central planners responsible for the preservation of culture x y z Because then we have no innovation no progress. Nope. Nope. Nothing put nothing better If you want to kill a culture try to preserve it That'll classify it I mean part of what makes culture good is the ability to change the ability to modify to bring in new stuff to improve to grow but the best thing is to Have self-esteem, you know, I have confidence in the culture and live it And Announce the world, you know why it's good And don't accept that all cultures are equal don't accept multiculturalism in that sense Ali a follow-up in globalization. I really like the uniqueness of each culture place and I don't think I don't like to think to be the same as the left like it to be I'm not sure what the left has to do with it. I'm So you like the uniqueness of each culture? I mean, yeah, I think it's pretty cool to go to the amazon and see some really primitive people living in their primitive huts You know eating the food that they ate and dying at 39 from diseases and everything because they because I like That culture who the hell gives a shit what do you like Ali? Sorry? I didn't mean to insult you or to swear at you but I mean those people there Are dying young they're living in horrible conditions They've got terrible music They don't have transportation. They've never seen the world And you want to deny them Good civilization good culture the glow the effect of globalization so that you as a tourist Can see nice cultures I am 100 for globalization Let the cultures merge mixed Let's get the best out of everybody And if somebody lives in a primitive culture I don't want to I care about them too much to want them to stay in that primitive culture I want to make it possible for them to embrace what's good To be the best human beings that they can be and some cultures make that possible and other cultures don't So why should we preserve cultures that don't make that possible? But we don't have to not preserve them either. We don't have to have a considered effort to destroy bad cultures We just have exposed people to all of it Let people decide let people choose and who are you to choose For another culture another people another individual what they shouldn't shouldn't do So Don't choose for others Do you want to preserve something about your culture preserved in your home? Michael asks, what are you? Oh, no, it's not a 20. Oh, here's a 20 for Michael A lot of people who say they're selfish are really just not statistic true I just not statistic jokes also true And give true selfishness a bad name absolutely Let's make it clear that those people are not selfish in the sense that we mean They're not ours Dave Goodman says do you like Martin Scorsese as a director looking for to review a Bronx tale? Yeah, yeah, I appreciate Martin Scorsese as a director. Do I love any of Martin Scorsese's movies? No, I don't I can't I mean I'm curious if you guys can name any That you think are enjoyable great movies. I'm sure there were a lot of movies that from an aesthetic perspective are very good You know Taxi driver was very powerful when I first saw it um Summer's gangster movies very powerful That enjoy did I go back and watch? aviator. Yeah aviator was good Aviators one. I might like to watch more than once Good fellas. Yeah, it's okay wolf of Wall Street. Okay The ivy shun was horrible horrible god couldn't wait for that to be over Um, just see knows. Okay. I mean they're all good and all well made and he brings out great performances from his actors But they're not the departed. I like the departed. I can't remember what the department was. It was the was it uh Like the kind of a mafia in boston age of innocence is potentials um so I appreciate his skill But none of his movies are my favorite movies. None of his movies. Do I rush? I want to watch that again None of those that you mentioned aviator. Maybe Certainly not gangs of new york hyper violent horrible depiction of a 19th century new york Just a just a just a complete mess in terms of the way it's it's it's described the way new york is is presented Is it okay to kill a retarded person? Should you see the same centers if you kill a normal human being or is it more like killing an animal? No, I don't think it's like killing an animal Um, I think that what kind of sentence you would get would depend on On the nature of of uh of the murder Um, why did you kill him? Was it out of I don't know out of pity because they were having horrible life. I don't know something like that Or was it just an act of murder? You didn't know they were retarded You just murdered them because you're in a murder spree or because you were in the middle of a Um burglary or whatever and you murdered them then Should be the same as you'd murdered anybody But I think context matters and but generally I think killing a retarded person is the same as killing a normal human being unless they Um Are the circumstances the retarded human being has all the rights of a normal human being Even though he can never live up to fully being human Even though he might be depending on how retarded they are dependent on other human beings he is human defective but human and yes In quote a state of nature so-called state of nature he would probably he would die But we're not in a state of nature so he survives. Who are you? Who the hell are you? There I am swearing again. Who are you to decide To make the choice of whether you should live or not From your perspective he's a complete human being He has all the rights of a human being and in that sense in almost every condition there is no difference Michael asks in your viewers most pornography today nihilistic filth As compared to yesterday I don't know. I mean, I'm not an exponent pornography, but yeah, probably It's probably true of all periods. I know, you know, it's probably gotten worse Uh because people get satiated with this stuff. Um, but yeah, I think most pornography today most pornography period is nihilistic filth And and and I'm not Necessarily anti pornography, but most of it is pretty ugly and pretty horrible And and caters to the worst in people often not always Uh, Michael asks reason and emotion is a false alternative. They should be alignment in a healthy human being who takes life services Value seriously. Yes, they should be in alignment, but they often not And You don't know that they're always in alignment So reason is a tool of cognition. Emotions are not Reason is what you make decisions on emotions are not You feel the emotion you acknowledge the emotion You experience life Through your emotions, but decisions if you have the time are made through reason Even when you align your emotions with your reason You just don't know that every single time It's going to be aligned So you go with your reason now if they're not in conflict, then it's easy But the emotion is immediate You could just act on them saying yeah, I'm sure it's aligned with my reason everything's fine No, you got to think it through if particularly it's an important decision And go by your reason if they happen to be aligned. That's great Best friend hank says I need to find my inner being I wouldn't know even where to start. Where would you start looking for your inner being? All right, Adam says tribalism drives both gayism and old religion theocratization texas islamiyama russia india hungry toky poland God we got the whole soup there is a dark age coming faster than they'll be predicted in dim Is it already the most immediate danger? No, no, I don't think I don't think a dark age is coming anytime soon Um, I can't dim was published when dim was published 10 years ago nine years ago So dim predicted 50 years. I think we're still on course for dim I'm not sure they'll ever be dark ages um I think the It's hard to tell but I don't think there'll be a global dark ages As I've said many times. I think the the diffusion of knowledge across cultures across geography across the world Is going to prevent dark ages um, I think some countries will decline in some countries with rise and that As bad as poland, let's say is Poland is freer today than it was 40 years ago. I'm a lot freer dramatically freer Poland's not on the verge of becoming a theocracy although Certain things are regulated by religion, but a lot is not We live in the age of mixed economy the tilt between kind of a leftist tilt to a Right this religion is tilt And we squandered in the middle and we go left and we go right and we play around in the middle And yes, we're getting closer and closer to an abyss But I'm not sure that this is inevitable not sure that this is inevitable um Soul's immat right Where are you in beginning of infinity? The chapter's unsustainable and optimism are amazing and totally destroy contemporary environmentalism Please please have deutch on. I don't know if I can get deutch on. I don't know if David deutch would come on my show I bet he'd do your show. I'm not betting um I am still in chapter three. I've got guests here. So I haven't gone on my walks Listening to books on tape and I'm not sure what I have to look up. What chapter three is. What's the name of it? It's the one with the spaceship earth It's a brilliant chapter. It's fantastic um But yeah, I'm really enjoying it. So and I think there's another question about Finn Halper says he has ten dollars for recommending the beginning of infinity. It's fascinating so far And I share your feelings about the author reading itoe love all the books. I've picked up from ybs. Thanks. Great um Thanks for letting me know, uh, but but yes, I'm I'm I'm looking forward to reading the rest of the beginning of infinity And sharing my experiences with you as I go through it Um, let's see other 20 dollar question gene says I started listening to classical music after your Beethoven show Did I do a Beethoven show? I don't remember doing a Beethoven show. My wife and I went to Sookstrom. That's a concert hall last night For Beethoven and Rachmaninoff so good Many thanks. Excellent. I'm so glad you liked it. Um I miss going to live classical music concerts They haven't started up again here in Puerto Rico. Yeah um Jennifer says can it be rational to enjoy watching life wildlife as long as you are not sacrificing for it? Sure I mean We enjoy looking at trees We enjoy looking at life We enjoy looking at life flourishing We enjoy looking at life succeeding We enjoy, I mean, I like to stand by the window because if you stand by our window You can look down Into the Atlantic Ocean and you can see the manatees playing there And I discovered the other day that every manatees have as a at least now I don't remember this a few weeks ago But now every manatees in the lagoon here has a fish Like swimming right on top of it like in a symbiotic. Is that what it's called? Some something Anyway, this relationship and I call my windows now my my aquarium because I look down and I can I we saw Just the other day my wife said come come see this and we see a turtle like we're in the 10th form We're looking down. We see a turtle swimming through the ocean It's hysterical. It's a tiny little turtle flapping around and then they dive down And we're like this is so cool. I can see wildlife. I can see You know the manatees this whole family out there They're about four or six of them and sometimes you just see one sometimes you see all of them and they and they They look the pilot fish one to three months They look like little sharks They have like a fin and they look like little sharks and they sit right on the back of the manatees and it's um It's You know, it's fun. It's it's fun to be able to just stand up for my chair and look over. Whoa, look There's nature nature's beautiful nature's cool nature's fun. It's just not skyscrapers. I I prefer skyscrapers, but yeah, I have City view as well. I like I like the combination. I have binoculars definitely have binoculars I can also see the beach across from us on the binoculars So there's the there's that as well. I can see I can see I can see everybody going swimming on the beach across Don't tell them though Yes, definitely definitely nature is cool It's life affirming. It's it's reflecting back that that Life is possible. It's like flourishing life is is is possible People at the beach that's not peeping really um Enric says I'm Redicent redicent To be outspoken of my objective is thinking with friends and associates With very different perspectives, but I think they see I don't agree The line of expression is sometimes hard to find Yeah, well, I mean it's understandable that you're redicent, but I'm hoping That as time passes you become um More open to doing it and and and express your disagreement and participate and and Because you know to be surprised on how many minds you'll affect if you do it You'll be surprised on how many eyes you'll open. They might not agree with everything but I'll at least know that The conventional stuff There are people who disagree with it And if you do it in a respectful way if you do it in a thoughtful way if you do it by by reflecting in a reasonable way You know in a reason reasoned way Then some of them will come around some of them will actually Appreciate it. Some of them will change their minds. Some of them will just know. Okay. There's a reason position That's different than mine and that's so important for cultural change We need you all to be speaking up more It's your life, but we need you all to be speaking up more the revolution is Coming and and you need to be braver if we're going to avoid bloodshed Roland says If you want to kill a creature preserve it The money quote in a show that's been awesome from beginning to end You've really been on a roll today. Thank you, Roland. I appreciate that I'm glad you're enjoying the show. Thanks guys All right, we got four uh, oh You know three we've got three Quick five buck questions What do you make of the saying if you can't beat them join them and the sense of life that that statement implies? It's a defeat a sense of life If you can't beat them try harder If you can't beat them change strategies If you can't beat them go on the ground Until you're stronger and can't beat them Don't join them. The reason you're fighting them is because they're wrong and you're right So it's complete second handed is defeatism Don't do it Have you played the game return to castle wolf esteem? No, I don't even know what that is Sorry, I don't play games Monopoly Oh, don't forget to like the show before you leave I have to remind you of that 89 likes 111 people watching Frank asked do you think books like dr. Seuss the low racks a child propaganda why Oh the lorax, but isn't the lorax anti altruism? I liked dr. Seuss Why is it Trump propaganda? Also when the Romans built Aqueducts did they care about abuse of the environment? No. No abuse of the environment I mean, I don't know. I'm not an expert, but it strikes me Is is comes first of all you have to be rich to to think about it Uh, there's always been this push to return to nature expressed in in people like us. So So it's a modern phenomena and it's primarily opposed in industrial revolution phenomena. So I don't well That's not completely true. There's a sense in which The abuse of the environment, you know, there's a the source of it has gotten a beating again, right? um But I don't think it's a movement was It has any until we're so and then During the 19th century conservatives The whole idea of returning to nature the whole idea preserving nature was a conservative thing. It wasn't the socialists. This is interesting The socialists were all about converting nature all about changing nature all about destroying nature for the sake of man That's what the socialists the communists the moxists They were all about Changing nature to suit man's means needs It is the conservatives that wanted to treat into Nature it was the conservatives who wanted um Who wanted to preserve nature and indeed it's the conservatives who created the national park system in the united states and all the national forests it was it was uh Teddy Roosevelt, but but after the concept the original conservationists were primarily came from the right And they were anti-capitalist Frank says the Lorax is environmentalist. I just I guess I don't know the I don't I don't remember the book Um ed says I use facebook to show contradictions It won't make a difference to most of the posters But I get likes by people who read my post. It's good. Yeah, it's good But I I I encourage you all to post positive things To encourage people to think positively about values It's easy and less productive To knock stuff down Much harder, but more productive To build stuff up Stephen Porter says finished it last I turned into socialist propaganda. I don't remember that I thought the second season was not very good. I mean it was okay But the first season was wonderful and the second season was uh, but the first season was wonderful But it I didn't like I didn't like towards the end, but I can't remember being socialist maybe um Willis says I'm not being consuming the right kind of point. Well, I'm open to recommendations one and be um Most not all Most I don't know Um All right, what else are we uh The conservationist the pre-environmentalists the environmentalist movement came out of the conservationist movement The environmentalist movement is a new is a new name that came about I think in the late 60s early 70s I think originally it was conservationists and then it was um Um ecologists what did I in rank column? I think it was a um ecological movement something like that And then it was environmentalism and it's in the 60s Where the left adopted environment the equivalent of environmentalism before that The left was pro-industry pro-progress This is the big distinction that I in van makes between the old left and the new left I'm done. I'm hungry Hungry. I'm ready for dinner Um Thanks everybody. Thanks a lot of super chat. Thank you for the supporters of the show. Thanks to everybody who makes this possible Um starting to travel in March. I'm not sure how we're going to do these shows. We'll figure it out. Thank you everybody for getting us to 600 dollars um It's part of the part of what we're going to have to figure out how to do in In march is how to get the super chat going while I travel This is the value of the monthly supporters. It's less sensitive to To to the nature to where I'm doing the show farm and whether we can get the super chat or not. It's steady So thank you. If you want to support us monthly, you can do it on your own book show dot com slash support on patreon and subscribe star Don't forget to like the show. Don't forget to Subscribe if you're not a subscribe. Please subscribe. We're shooting for 32 000 subscribers by sunday night Oh, and don't forget to watch your show tomorrow Either at 2 p.m. Eastern time or 7 p.m. Eastern time. I'll let you know tomorrow But there will be a show tomorrow. Don't forget to watch. See you then. Thank you free trade for the support Thank you for the oh, thank you best fed hank for another little bit of support. Do you fish off your patio? No, I don't fish. I find fishing Fishing is the most boring activity Invented by mankind. I don't get it. I never got it. Don't understand it So I don't fish. I like to go to the fish market and buy the fish Like somebody else does the fishing generally in life. This is general principle for uran brooks life I love the idea of division of labor If somebody else if I can pay somebody to do the gardening, I'm gonna pay them if I'm gonna pay somebody to wash the dishes I'll pay them anything. I don't actually love doing I want somebody else to do So that I can spend my life only doing the things that I love doing that to me is Success and luxury Luxuries when you get to the point in life where you only do things you like doing like You know If I can just I hate shopping. So if I can just order clothes online Bring them home. Try them send them So, uh, so yes, that's that's so I know I don't fish I don't fish But I promised you a video of my condo. So we will do that. I will I'm going to I'm going to create a video of the condo At some point here and put it up on like a private site on on youtube and then uh, you know, maybe for a Particular level contributed to the show. I'll give you the url so you can go watch it See you everybody tomorrow. Bye everybody. Have a great rest of your