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London News NZ at ita sto kanm. So re UM額d, I think we've got to have a culture the national primary they can do that! Pats on Simon Bridges is very straīng forward. As an I am feel that I got no problem feeling with Simon Bridges and I think he is going to be doing a great job. Simon Bridges and I both with reasonably ire positions on your front bench and I see... Simon Bridges this morning already making some comments in the New Zealand Herald suggesting Releision to Todd Muller's leadership coup that he, Kazama Bridges, says, we wasted a bit of time, so, I mean, there's already a bit of sniping there. Oh, I don't think there's sniping. Look, I think it's very important that everybody moves on. I don't like seeing former leaders who have been chosen by the caucus for their clearly leadership qualities and other qualities not respected in the way that I think that they should be. We've got someone like Todd Muller who is, I think, one of the nicest people in politics and very highly qualified in the trade area. And then we've got someone like Simon Bridges who's a real little fighter, actually. And I just love that and very straightforward deal with the highly intelligent. Well, it's the reality. The reality is you didn't have much choice that you had to put them on your front bench because you've lost 12 MPs, many of them very senior to in one day. People are leaving in droves. Karen, I have always had choices. That is a fabulous team. Do you know what? I'm just so proud of them. And the choices I had, the hardest choices, was who I couldn't put into that top 20 because there are so many people actually who deserve to be there. And I just can't buy them. OK, but you also had a choice with Amy Adams because she said she would have stayed if you'd given her the COVID-19 advisory role. Why didn't you work harder to keep her? Because we don't need a COVID-19 advisory role, although I did offer, as you are very much aware from Amy, a very good position and very good portfolios. She has already announced to her target last year. I respect her decision. She's a good person. I just wish her so much happiness in the future and I think, just get on with it. I'm happy with the team. I'm happy to line up. That's my decision and that's what Leader does. OK, if we look at housing, why is housing so far down at 14? Jackie Dean relatively, well, she's got some experience but not in a major portfolio. Can I tell you, Jackie Dean at 14, that's a cabinet position. Look, Jacinda Ardern had filled twice with housing so how could she take it seriously when Labour had it? And now it's with Megan Woods. She's got about every other portfolio that Chris Hipkins doesn't have. How's that ever going to get any traction? We've got some great people and I'm very happy that I've got someone so... OK, well, on housing, I guess people will be looking for an indication of where National will go with housing after your last nine years. Do you agree with Nicola Willis, who was the housing spokesperson I think last week even, who said that you hadn't built enough state houses, that there was a net loss of state houses during National's last term and that that was a mistake? Yes, she is absolutely right. Absolutely right. What I would also say too is that we waited too long with housing to get those things in place. But I can tell you this, when we left office, there were fewer than 5,000 families on the State House waiting list. Now there's over 15,000. So whatever Labour's done, they've done a lot worse. So you acknowledge that that was a mistaken policy? Well, the policy of selling state houses to those community providers, is that something that you would continue to do? Absolutely. There's a good thing to do. I believe... So where was the mistake then? The mistake was not being able to actually execute enough houses being built fast enough to replace those that were being removed or actually taken out of the social housing pool. OK, so... Also the party that put in place housing first, Corinne. OK, but if we put aside KiwiBuild, which I think we can all agree it didn't go well, will you commit, and people will be interested in this, will you commit to Labour's programme of state home building? The number is 6,500 promised. They're roughly hitting about 5,000 over this term as well. I'm going to commit to social housing, whether it's owned by community housing providers in places like Masterton, where I've seen it working really well, or it's owned by what we all remember as Housing New Zealand or Kaingora. It doesn't matter to me about that. What matters to me is, are people being property housed? Is the landlord doing the job he's supposed to do? And by the way, how can we get more people into either private housing as well, but also into their own home? KiwiBuild shouldn't just be dismissed as a failure. It was a $2 billion flagship policy of an incoming Labour Government and they completely messed it up. Infrastructure, you've got a big announcement due today on this. I know you're probably not going to reveal the details to me. Well, you're welcome to if you want to this morning. But listen, what I am interested in is, what assurances can you give around how you will fund that? I mean, you're going to be borrowing similar levels to what the current Government is borrowing on capital expenditure? You'll just have to wait and see. I'm not trying to tempt me into revealing this and it will be out this morning. I also have a poor goldsmith with me, the finance person I can tell you. Paul is always watching not only the pennies, but also the power. What about other mechanisms? I know you've ruled out tax increases, but will you look at things like congestion, charging, other ways of raising revenue if you're going to build more roads and infrastructure? Yeah, I'm not going to fall for this temptation that you're replacing with underneath current. We have to wait. All right, well, let's talk about some policies that were announced yesterday. Paul Goldsmith revealing that you would not continue or you would stop the contributions to the New Zealand Superfund. Yes, while we're going through this very difficult economic crisis, it doesn't make sense to anybody who's ever even run a business like I have a household like most New Zealanders have to go and borrow money to effectively put it on a share market. Well, the governments are nothing like households, are they? They've got huge balance sheets. They've got a taxpayer base. We've got a triple-A credit rating, or double-A credit rating. They're nothing like households. And the argument is that if you had continued contributions, when you cut them last time, the rate of return on the New Zealand Superfund was nearly 10%. It would have made billions. These governments are not like households in that way. Governments have to be more responsible than your average household because we have to be responsible for everybody in this country and generations worth of debt. But you also have a responsibility to continue to pay New Zealand superannuation and without that fund building up, we will struggle to pay for the baby boomer's retirement. Well, we haven't seen that at all, actually, have we? No matter what we do, no matter what people think about it, the fact is that we can always start them back again. That's no problem. The fact is, right at the moment, we need to be very assured and the people need to be very assured. We're not going to be borrowing what we don't need to borrow because someone has to pay it back. And that's not just you and me, Karen. It's our children and our grandchildren. And it's not fair to do that unless we know that we're going to invest for their future. Next party leader, Judith Collins. Thank you very much for your time.