 Hey, so let me ask you this. It was a known fact that on And and he may never may not even say anything to you about this, but when he Did that a big pimping with Jay-Z. Yeah, did you ever talk with him about anything about that that? No I'm gonna tell you what what he told me and what I do know. Yeah, and I don't know how true it is You know, but this is what he said At that time, I don't like talking about stuff like this cuz I'm married now and at that time I was married to someone else Okay, so anyway Again, I'm at work at Sears They love him he over at Sears making that money Working this year's about time I get home Um Well, the song's over there, you know, you know, I remember being at the spot on Greenville I'm a theft. I'm a rewind. We're at the spot at Greenville UGK is on concert and I'm standing right there by the DJ I'm in the DJ booth as they're Performing and we I'm rolling weed in the deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and handing it to him on stage and then he said, bobo They a bird to give you that album Then I look at this record and it's a big pimping by This doing the show. Yeah, you know, I said why and so they play at that night Okay, so fat fortune. I'm at work, right? He calls and well, excuse me. I get home And my wife say at that time my ex wife says your boy be trying to call you out. Hey, I See what? So I call him back and they say Jay-Z right here talking to you man He wanted Jay to talk to me why just wanted to talk to I don't know why I don't know Jay said tell me about the dude from the Yeah, but that was the album that really touched Jay-Z. I don't know but he wanted you and him to talk. I don't know why I never asked you why What made me come up or anything just the fact that he said Jay-Z want to talk or he wanted me to talk to Jay-Z Yeah, one of the two. Yeah. Wow That's dope to have those type of memories and know that you that those conversations went on between you and pimp Oh, he got me. I thought the chat back then. Oh shoot for sure. I would say when we befriended each other If we didn't talk every other night You know, yeah, I know you hear a lot of people say man Chad like to call those late night Yeah, yeah, he called those late nights and wouldn't get you off the phone Mine was every other night. Hey mine was every other night. Sometimes for a long time. It was every night He just want to talk to you don't want our car like this But then the one of the times that I'm too sleepy. I'm pretty sure He liked the pimping the big pimping song He never said never said he just told me, you know, everybody knows story about him not not want to do it But I just wanted to know if he you after it happened You know, but he was doing so much Tell us a different dude, bro, he was truly Underground king he never ever wanted to Give bad impression to his fan base. Yeah, he always wanted to stay street and southern and Texas That's it. That's what that's what locker seeing right? He represented for Texas and pulled off the in the south. Yeah, I never seen nobody do it like that in my life Yeah, I heard DMD say he will I remember the first time I heard a rapping like that In other words, he must have had a different style. Yeah at first and when he say I heard a rapping like that That must have been that southern brawl. Yeah, he wasn't trying to hear it Man, but that southern brawl is what made what made what made yeah, did so early on he dealt with Mastapena a little bit. I can remember they had some differences. We won't have to get into all that But did you remember some of those relationships in some of the time? I remember doing the show in Jackson, Mississippi We did show in Jackson, Mississippi and This is the only time that I didn't have my own room. Okay, so I don't know what happened But they put bird and myself in the same room, but the room Was huge. Okay, and instead of twin beds each one of us had king size bed in the room Wow And so after the show, I can remember this. This is weird Smoke D smoke D had got out of jail. He came out of room. He had this CD at the time and it was masterpiece first CD where they lay it down. Yeah Yeah, and we didn't have no music. So we had a party in our room, you know with the Boppas and so So all the girls came by room we didn't have no music So we put that CD on just playing over and over. He said man, let's do her jamming jamming fair for what about Two months later we do a show I can't think of the name of the town in Louisiana. We'll meet this guy called money. Okay, money And he's he was starting a group. It was called CC waterbound. Okay with money's Cousin was Moby Dick. Okay. So Moby Dick was the introduction to masterpiece So about a month later Chad's like hey this guy's You know, he's he's standing for us to come down and do it a verse with him. So that's when you heard the first Which which one was it cuz it was it was a few of them for 18 willers man back to front That boy used to have a sweet. Yeah for every bitch that I thought he killed it Bitch from the stock stack G that one that one that one. That was right to my house that thing jet He and he had the best verse on it. My opinion by far When I see you gave me a favorite. Yeah, that one. I know exactly which one used to be so Conscious about his rap because he everybody was on bond as far as lyrics. Yeah, and when I moved in with him He said bubble. I'm gonna do something to you that you gonna get tired of I've already mastered these beats. So let me fit. Let me rewind I Finally get inside this house and realize that this boy got at 18 does And everybody everybody at his house well Everybody that no pimp and he allowed to come in his house know about the weed room So we got the weed room in his house and my room was across from the weed room It was the weed room the bathroom the bathroom is where they recorded They break them out some and all that stuff master people's in there Yeah, and my bedroom was that bedroom right there. But anyway, yeah, so he's a he's a Leo So he rolled up on the house one day and knocked he didn't know nobody really But he said you got to hit the blood and then he left remember that Whatever you know by him in the blue light getting into it. No, what happened? Well, you know blue light is from the other rap on short Texas Okay, okay, it's real kite. Yeah, that when I'm with a when I'm with a port author It was a civil war going on UGK posse against that click. Okay, and they had just jumped on bun in the club Wow, so that night I got there. We was going to the club. Yeah, figure out what it was a problem, you know I'm saying yeah, it was a I remember moving apart. We moved. I moved a port author They said come to Houston. We got a show and then we go after show So I bought my bags That's how that when I have my partner drive me to Houston Then I wrote with them back to the port author and then that very night is when we went to the went to the club But but but I know you and pimp was real solid But how do you how do you think pimps and buns relationship was and how did you how did you like the way they? I know the music was solid. Oh, you know, but just how vibing with them riding with them dealing with them How was that? Um, I mean their brothers their brothers. I mean brothers have issues. Yeah Everything in always hunky door. Yeah, but they were brothers. Yes every time they came down to it You better not say shit about pimp to bun. You better not say nothing about bun to pin Yeah, and there was always any friction was always behind closed doors. Yeah Yeah, that's why when I heard something about the UGK posse getting into it one time in Houston after he had died It ran me so hot. Yeah, cuz you know that wasn't the way it goes 17 Yeah, but you gotta understand they went through a lot though. That's a lot to lose pimp but to get into it each other Yeah, but they yeah, no, that's bad in public. Yeah at a concert. Yeah, that's bad. No, bro. That's bad No, man, it's just like them do but they hurt but they hurt They hurt and I guarantee it when you lose a pimp. That's a big loss, man You say that but I know the real you and you in the midst of it. Yeah, I wasn't there Yeah, but you know what's going on. I know what you had told me about people every everybody that Was around Chad after he got out of jail. I knew why they were around. Yeah, cuz he told me why he was you know Yeah, yeah, yeah, I never released some of that information. No, no, I get it for their feelings. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but some of them, you know, like I mean, I'm not Cool, I don't have any allegiance with him, but like the 17 cats Yeah, you know, he told me the situation why he was wrong, you know, thinking about Chad He was big-time opportunists. Yeah, it was about that bread. Yeah, and the thing and see people in the UJK policy You know, everybody was waiting on their album and their opportunity. Who's gonna be next and the reason 17 got put in front of everybody. This is from Chad He had his own money. Yeah, he bought his way in. Yeah, I hear Chad do this for me Yeah, I want to be a part of trying to get my Yeah, yeah, it was a business opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. So the shit about the protégé and all that came out Yeah, yeah, I've never caught him. Yeah, Steve B. Lo is the protégé. I know that's what buns it Steve B. Lo is the protégé. Yeah by far. Yeah, I've been Steve B. Lo through Chad through chair and that was how you're going to introduce me to somebody from my city That's exactly From my own city, but they had met through Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he told a story on here He told how they met and everything that was dope story as well I mean, so so but y'all I'll click after that and I see you and Steve B. Lo still maintain a relationship Yeah, he called me like man. You gotta do Bobo. I said who the hell is Bobo? He say my man, I say I don't say nothing else nigga get that nigga to me But no man, the thing I can attest to is that you know, you guys are The you would make Texas what it is When you look at what the foundation I'm talking about oh, I'm talking about run see I'm talking nemesis I'm talking about you GK. Yeah, I'm talking about man. It's a bunch of them though I even to say for show you shade the DJ's all that stuff man Even dr. Rock man when you will come and hear those I hate to go to work Come on man, you know, we can't forget about the foundation man. You know what I'm saying Let me tell you something about that. I'm gonna give you my I'm glad I got this platform. Yeah a lot of people In this area always say well why Dallas came pop What's the difference between Dallas and Houston? Yeah The difference between Dallas and Houston is the younger cats don't know the history You right and see in Houston, they embrace the history. Yeah, and they work with the older people You know at least communicate with you learn game from it. It's very very very important. Yeah, I remember one time I met travel. Yeah, I know trap mama. You know, yeah, I just realized I Yellow beast his daddy was my homeboy. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't even know that I remember yellow bees when he was like when I saw him, you know, you see somebody I know that do face I've seen him with his daddy as a youngster. Yeah, but I never he grew up to be yellow bees Yeah, I'm saying rest in peace Tony. Tony. Yeah, so he was cool with where the other bees is dead And and that's because that's around our age. That's our thing. That's our thing. That's our thing They used to pay me to come to wrap that Swap a mentee. Yeah Yeah, so his dad was one of those guys. Yeah, he was one of those guys real real stumped down He was a hustler hustler. He was a hustler. Yeah. Yeah, that's during well, is that four players and all that all Players club and all that you know, I was out the play after Yeah, but but definitely man And trap trap boy doing this thing like I said, you got I mean I hated what happened with mode 3 and all that man But that's still, you know, that's the history. Yeah You're not in the Bible the genealogy is so important. You didn't think about it just going back, you know, like History is important. Even the slavery since anything is important. Yeah, but I don't know why Dallas don't keep it don't make it a priority to be important. We different up here. Yeah, and I take it from this okay, because my mom's from Houston and I spent a lot of time as a as a youngster in Houston And so we come up forty five and we go straight to a third Ward Mm-hmm, and third Ward was rough, you know, she was guys three. Yeah, she went to she stayed on Barry right off of Scott Yeah, you know I'm saying She could walk the Yates and walk the TSU. So and it was poverty-stricken. Yeah. Yeah So then we leave and come get back on forty five And so I thought all the Houston was like that and so Houston was a blue collar city mm-hmm to where Lot of Louisiana people real friendly, you know, so they don't play but the people are real You know saying they gonna roll up their sleeves and go to work. Yeah, the work ethic that they got here in Dallas I hate to say it. I grew up here. So I can't a little bit more entitlement Yeah, a lot of more entitlement a lot of more smaller niggas and all that type of shit And so yeah, I used to expect things here because we are Dallas and we expect things to come to us Because we are Dallas instead of going out and working for it You know what I mean? Those boys in Houston was they like the blueprint on how to get out there and hit that road as far as That's what run is a run say pimp taught him a lot on how to make money off of shows bro Let me tell you say pimp was good at that. He was I mean the ideas that he would have, you know, I Was with pimp before and I want to talk about something else that I got a couple things that just keep popping up Yeah, I got some things over here. I'm trickling. I can remember. Yeah, I can remember Before he really started doing a lot of Outside producing you know and that type of thing when he just produced for himself Yeah, yeah when he when he moved to Atlanta when everything kind of really popped. Yeah Yeah, they him and bun call it rap hustling. Okay, that's what they called it. Um, I heard I Know I met the guy one time at the film and so I'm not gonna bite my tongue I heard a couple in it. I heard this guy say this a couple of times So I know this is what he really feels. Mm-hmm. But uh, David bounder. Okay, David bounder has this impression That pimps. He didn't know how to run the drum machine. He taught pimp how to run the drum machine. Really? Yeah, I've heard him say that a couple times He didn't know how to run on MP. Okay, cuz MP came out while he was locked up Yeah, but man, he and I used to walk up in the studio with their ASR 10 and the art 8 And kill most everything you heard from you JK pretty much in the in those the super tight. Yeah, and uh, um, Right under the swallowing Yeah came out of sandjack Right, I don't it was recorded in sandjack on that ASR chance Mm-hmm, and that are eight and we used to walk up in the studio with it with those two pieces equipment and everybody's be like Where's everything else? That's all that's all you need. That's all this boy need. You heard me say he cracked out that that beat in 15 minutes Yeah, yeah, the boy was he was different. He was a little different, bro. Yeah, so why do you think it probably because of the The musical, you know, I'm just talking about David bounder feeling that way because of the age. Well, you got the age difference But what do you think if he'll make the beat song? Yeah, what they were not keyboard beats. Yeah, but obviously the way that that Pimp could push the speakers. Maybe he's maybe he just wording it wrong different. He's wording it way wrong That's that that's out of line, bro. It's blasphemy. Yeah for him to say that pimp did not run the drum machine Yeah, bro. Yeah, he yeah Are you serious? Man, man, come on that that boy that that boy. I got a pocket full of everything. Come on, man And baller chain that r8. Yeah, and then he gave it r8 to steve billow Billow steve billow sat on that r8 the whole time pimp was in jail So that's what billow was making this beat song that everything billow was the main producer on my album. Okay all right that r8 trained by the pimp So so the pimp definitely could make any kind of beats he wanted to make. Oh my god. Come on, man. The boy He's different Well, you know people what maybe because maybe pimp told david bounder something about He helped him to understand that type of beat machine. That's what you think Let me tell you Because I see back in the I mean, have you ever addressed him on it? No, this is the first time. This is me addressing it Put that in your tag. Oh, I'm gonna tag you. That's me right there. You're good on that. Yeah, let me tell you a lot of people See, I hadn't been doing no interviews. This is my first Really? Yeah, a lot of people what made you do this? All right, we gotta ask them This is the thing about the steve billow. No, let me tell you about back up to the steve billow. Okay, and I spoke And I said to him. I said billow, you know what's been going on with you and I Say I suffer from depression. Wow. He do too because he's been talking about it until you start talking about it I said you ever think That that situation that we went through with him passing Is what led us into our depression I said because at that time you think about what was going on with me. This is what was going on with me My record label was right here. I mean two mixtapes were recorded The album was uh second album was recorded. Um Everything everything was working everything was moving Chad was talking, you know, we were everything was popping. It was popping and then all of a sudden My business partner go to jail. Mm-hmm Um couple years. I don't know how long he's gonna be gone from uh, uh, he's like the executive producer You know what I was saying? I was the I was the the industry connector. Yeah, yeah in the in the artist and he was the as my guy Yeah, he was the street guy. Yeah, he was you. Yeah Watch yourself. He done put me in there. He's telling the truth. He was the bag, you know Yeah, definitely. I started going through my divorce That's a lot start going through my divorce. Um Pimp died that's a lot and then my mom got diagnosed with um diabetes And all termos at that time with dementia at the time. So all that happened to me In that year in 2007 Wow, yeah, all all in that second quarter and then in that fourth quarter of the year everything Bop, bop, bop, bop hit me and I'm not knowing That's before people start talking about depression. Yeah. Yeah, nobody knows what they are But they're not not in the black community black community. That's so true. I'm not from me. Yeah Man, shake that shit off, nigga. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, you got to get out. You got to have a big boy. Yeah. So it was a bunch of drinking stuff I didn't normally see that's what I was gonna ask you if you know who saved my life right there Wow, and I can't believe it because that was around the same time I already been calculated How did she get through to you? Our friendship we were friends first You know, it's god, I I work on faith Everything I've ever done pretty much all my life was like if you say if I'm talking about an adventure A venture and then you say hey check this out, bobo I feel like god put me here to hear you say that I think I'm here for a reason or a season But you didn't get that right away because I I'm sure this is just me making an assumption I've heard that no that whenever you were going through all of these things hitting you back to back to back Like any regular human being they're gonna say god, why me? Yeah, I never did that. I never had self pity You just the only thing I said why me on Was the chance situation because I didn't know how serious the diabetes and the uh Uh, I didn't care about the divorce. Yeah, I didn't care about the divorce at all The only thing I cared about the divorce was what was going to happen to my two daughters Because she wasn't from Dallas. I thought she was going to try to move my and try to Try to take my key and then I ended up with custody of my my wife and I yeah, so But men are cave men's too. They men are the hot stuff real well. Yeah We are hot stuff and we'll still we'll be okay on the surface. Yeah, but then inside we're dying dying on I know that and and and so I could see how you could hold it in even up until this turn Yeah, I'm I could see how it could still be a thing to where you still slowly recovering after all these years I when did you realize that it was depression? Like how long ago? I can remember exactly when it was Whenever black Panther came out. That's when it was what triggered it I was at work going off on everybody at work I was at home going off on people at the house and my wife says listen, baby You got something because every year around november december. Yeah, it was always around the same time his birthday something changed with me So I didn't I couldn't figure it out and she would just be like you ever noticed that this is happening around this time And I you know, you know your wife see stuff in you that you don't see yeah, and so I was like Hey, you need to go talk to somebody. Yeah, or you need to go to the doctor one of the two There's no cure for that Those are your two choices and I decided to go to the doctor So I'm still on medication to this day. That's good, man Man, I got a weakness for uh, medicine. Yeah, you know, even through like the x-pills thing. Yeah, I can't take the whole x-pill Give me a have Yeah So things that would have tried to Normally take people a week to get in their system and work that first night, bro She told me she said take the bill because my wife is an r&d. Okay. So the damn good one. And so she told me she said take it at night because just This is some strong medication and shouldn't that that night, bro Fuck I feel it's amazing. I bought up x-pills because I felt like I was rolling. Yeah, I threw the sheets off of me I felt like the bed was moving when I woke up the next day It looked like a light bulb was off of me. Wow I went to work apologizing to people main when I cussed you out yesterday. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That ain't me Yeah, literally. Wow. I went to work and apologize to about four or five. That's dope But why did you choose The doctor over going to go talk to somebody Call business keep you from having too much time, you know to My time off I really tried to spend with my family the reason why I said because there's a lot of people who go through Mental illness depression all of that and some people say well, I can't take the pills and some people say I'm going to deal with this By myself. Yeah, some people say all different sort of stuff. So I was trying to figure out That medicine is a beast. I'm telling you because without it Wow Let me I'm we gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna switch switch gears on it. I had one more question though about the mental illness. No Okay, where did you get a name bobo luchiano? Well bobo I've always been bobo since From the mama. No, no one called you First person to call me bobo was a guy named kevin paul kp. Why? Because my Because my arms afflicted. See how my arms are bowed out Oh And everybody used to always say You'd always look like you want to fight somebody and that's call you bobo bobo So I was bobo from a child and then um I was doing a guess first on somebody's record. I can't remember what it was And I said bobo luchiano in that verse Everybody said it's hot. That's it nigga. That's hot And that's how he killed me. That's how I let me I see I want to go back to panel Oh And luchiano, you know the guy who he was the one that they gave the um The title to The person to organize the mob Look at that. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And so that's what I when I came back to Dallas Pimp sent me pimp sent me here on a mission He said well, I want you to go back to Dallas. I want you to get your shit going in music And then we're going to start a movement and at that time Dallas was UGK's biggest market Yeah, yeah, we just talked about that. I mean, but it was Dallas for a long Time time. I mean we we had more concerts here than than anywhere outside of Louisiana. Yeah, and uh, yeah And so he told me get some going and that's what I did. So Let me ask you about uh, uh, I want I want to ask you about how I know how steve below met, uh, pretty much uh, yeah pimp, um, but but I want to kind of understand how that came to be from your perspective. Well, I really don't know You don't know how he got me to you Well, just from what everybody tell me from what he told me. Okay. Okay. See, yeah, that's what I'm saying from what he would What he would what how he addressed it and said, hey, you know, I got to got boo see what you never told you about boo see Yeah, that's what oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just you know, I got your little nigga, man. He don't That's it. And that's how we talk about Yeah, we used to talk about other stuff besides audience Because I remember when boo see came, you know, like when he came out I know I got my first cd from george over there. Yeah, and he gave it to me They had no none but boo see on there. Yeah, I think pimp see and boo see had a song together. I want to say It was a long time. I'm a fucking woman. Yeah, it was something it was something they had to get below. Yeah. Oh, yeah Fingal fucking with my ring. Yeah when my diamonds on yeah, but it was it was I think he had a whole cd too, but You ain't never heard that. No, but listen He had a whole cd and uh, and he just told me that pimp see, you know, pretty much rock with but with boo see And um, I always thought like dang man, I was pimp, you know, and even webby They love they love bringing his name up and talking about him because of the legacy they left for them too So it's like even the klc when he was on here talked about. Yeah pimp left a piece with mr Lee as well. Let me tell you something Because I listened to it all. Yeah, he did everybody that he came in touch. He did like everybody. He was a different dude, bro He was a beacon And in a different way. Yes, each person in a different way. Yes Yes, that's crazy. Yes Yes, and like I say, I don't want to It so much to what you just said People take stuff and then in their head, you remember I say they they make these things up So much to the point that a famous dj. I can say his name in houston He claimed bobo Because he had just lost a little boy in the house far as well Really? He said he was the bobo that chad was talking about on the song. Oh You can't see his name. I he said he can but you know, oh, okay, you know, I don't want to but you don't want to he thinks that I Hold on. You said a famous dj. Does he still is he still a famous dj right now in houston? Oh my god. Yes And he thinks that that was to him if I say it's not you black. What? But he did lose a child in in a in a similar way But That he wouldn't I don't know. Yeah, because it would have to be around the same time for Chancho me on two different occasions Said he got approached to him And said bro, thank you for for doing that song for me. So I said bro, it was and Chad didn't bust his bubble. Huh? No. No, no, but it's good I'm not gonna bust exactly and that's that that's therapeutic for him. Yes That's why he of what he's saying is he affect people like right so much that It crosses over into places where you wouldn't even imagine a lot of people say stuff. I'd be like You know the truth and that's the one that you know about but imagine how many other people Might feel out where that was about. That's what I'm saying. Ain't gonna lie when he did He'll make you feel like that though. Yeah, he made me feel like a party full of stones. He was Oh, yeah, oh that guy in the beginning. Yeah Yeah He made you feel it. I was rolling Oh, yeah, I was a man And I was like man, this dude. Yeah, this is this is all the therapy I need It was different it was because we weren't talking about D No, nobody wasn't talking about it when they came out talking about that D I was like, that's why I think him in when he was saying that about like Even about alluding to the fact it was cheesy or whoever about fake dope prices and all that stuff And not talking about the bad When you just talk about the good this stuff was really happening and I knew because being from the streets I felt him on uh The fairs in town and all that that was therapeutic as well and it kept me aware Of not getting caught up so much to not watch for the fairs to come to the town That's right when you really you got to be mentally able to deal with this everything hustling All this like I say he was the counselor. He was a counselor for me. That's I Now you hey, you might be helping me tonight. That may be why I loved his music so much because being in the streets It was dangerous. Yeah doing all the stuff that was happening during that time and at the end of the day It made you feel like everything was going to be okay. And if it wasn't you knew what you had to face exactly because you think Outside looking in people are they glorifying it? But no It wasn't a glorification of not all they did was say what they did that had been through in the pitfalls Yeah, you make your own choices Wow, you make your own choices. Yeah, and they could paint some vivid pictures And let me tell you something. I can remember I tell you about how them boys could rap and and they would rap about Real life experiences and that's right and then go back to pull it off there and be like damn that shit did happen That shit was real. Yeah, that's what that's mike jones when he talked about the car getting hit and uh, uh zero gonna ride Blue and i'ma ride red. Yes, but That brings up something else. Uh, it brings up that knocking those down Yeah, yeah, like like for him to come home and make that song like that And and to make everybody understand that we have to do better by each other Um, what was that about did he ever talk to you about knocking doors down? Yeah, he was I mean Sitting him down Like that, you know, it's therapeutic for some people. Some people go a different way Some people do they get the uh rehabilitation that they really need I think chat really got rehabilitated. He got to think about damn. I'm fucking up a lot of money. Yeah, I mean he he fucked up Family, you know, I'm talking about born and myself. Yeah, you know money. You know what I'm saying? So, um Yeah, he talked to me about it. So when he came out You know, what excuse me why he was in there? None of these artists were out. You have to realize. Yeah, he didn't know Comey in there. He didn't know no. No, we were dj screw people. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I remember the first night I met dj screw Master p came through. Yeah. You know the night I got the bubble tattoo. Yeah was the first night I met screw Uh, uh, master p came through. So we were Dj screw heads. Yeah, you know saying before the michael watson all that came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah But so when all that came out he was in jail He was in jail. Well I take the back they were bubbling But he didn't have relations elsewhere But when he got out They're all gonna platinum. Yeah, johnson. Yeah, yeah power millionaire slim You know, so they all have names now c-ro was doing his thing. So they had went from being You know small underground to stars to beefing. Yeah, and he felt like Yeah, he's like, oh what is the fuck? They're gonna take this shit from us Because he was all about the south. That's right. The south is too big and the whole south Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, that quit hating the south man. Yeah That quit hating the south man. I'm gonna say he he didn't hate The other coast he didn't play about this one. He didn't play about this one. That's what we knew He did not play about texas. He didn't play about port author and he didn't play about the south So if you talk down on the south you he's gonna hit every time Did you what did he feel away? Did anything ever happen that made him feel like Man, well, he talked about bt. He talked about all these different places where they was pretty much Yeah, they wasn't showing us the shine. Yeah that that we we deserved And and we didn't need it because the money was coming anyway, right? Not the big money But the respect was not there the respect wasn't there I mean listen to outcast. I mean they were closer to the east Yeah, when they say the south got something to say with the fact that they said when they got the use I mean got to new york, they got boo. Yeah, I mean the ghetto boys got boo Yeah, I mean UGK just never went up there to do any shows doing those times those first two albums So we're down here building this big foundation Mason Dixon lying on down And We don't really need them You can go plaiting them right here Lil flip was one of the one of the ones that opened the eyes of that real family Well, Lil flip a lot of people didn't know that Lil flip was the big one out of houston He was And I think that was what caused a lot of problems. Lil flip was a bad boy. Yeah, especially when he dropped that sunshine song Yeah, yeah, that sunshine song took him to a new height. Yeah, it broke. It broke uh, uh It broke culture barriers man I'll oversee you transcend culture. I heard him doing the interview the other day on vlad I don't know But yeah, he um Yeah, he mentioned that, you know about how he's certain amount of records here in the united states and X amount of millions overseas. Yeah, that's what did that. He did that. He did that But a lot of people didn't didn't they don't know that didn't like that either Yeah, they don't like that a lot of people did not like that and um You know, I don't know where that came from. There was a few things I probably would say not on camera But I know some things that I was like, man Oh, yeah, I didn't have no way I wanted to but I felt a way about it But the thing I can say man is let me say this because we can go all night But You and Steve be low man. I'm gonna try to get y'all back on here together. That's cool. That'll be a good time Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Oh, that's my brother. That'll be a good time. That's my brother And and we can we can run down through there too. Oh, yeah Anytime you need me just call me man. We but hey, we feel I'm gonna periodically have y'all on here You don't even realize that I'm gonna be calling you because that's the foundation Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm old school with it. I just told you about genealogy So I'm always stay close to the foundation. We need to get these kids listening to this. Yeah, but they do Good, that's what I'm doing. How many subscribers you got now? Um, 20 2020 Months, that's the I ain't seen nobody do it and we hit glad a couple of times and we hit that uh hip-hop DX that they we got articles in all of that. Ain't no hating me I thank god for it because this you do see the younger people on here You see them rapping. We had big extra plug last night on here. He's a new guy that's coming up Doing real well. Look out for him. He and yeah, he's from Dallas You have a lot of the young the it's the look. Uh, it's podcasting is a thing right now So, uh, we have a platform to where we got the young and the old. We got everybody It's different nationalities. We got a doctor coming Sunday. We got a doctor coming Saturday. We got NFL player coming Retired in a fair player coming So saturday because so we don't only do music Yeah, we do everything. Don't turn down number to color. That's it because it's it's helping our people Through these mics through these cameras. So you talked about the foundation a while ago And you was like, you know, they don't know the history. They don't this is how they learn it They don't know by never did you hear what I say? Yeah This is how they learn it. Your boy trap walked in my job. This is that what I was telling you and I I walked up to him. I said, bro, come in my office And all I said was you ever heard of dude named Bobo Luciano from UGK He said no, bro. Never heard of it. That's all man. I just want to say, hey, man Thanks for doing what you do and keep doing what you're doing, brother shook his hand Keep it moving. And if he's a smart kid, he would go outside and look up in his phone He probably did. Trap pretty sharp. Trap pretty sharp. Like who you talking about? Yeah, trap pretty sharp So I'm pretty sure he if you didn't know then he gonna know now. Yeah, because I like trout. Yeah Yeah, I like all of these guys are dope the main thing is as the as the guys who are older Who who do embrace the music or who have built the music we have to build bridges instead of walls We have to show these people that we do love them. Yes. And if they have anything we don't hold no It's just like a child that didn't know their parents. Yeah, and and that child finally get to understand that. Oh, man That was who that's who done that Then you can't get mad at them You have to embrace them and sure because it's partly our fault see the the cracker and all that helps separate everything you start thinking about TDC and uh All that stuff the trap think about the traps that was set by some of the I mean Craig it was a Craig Watkins Yeah, the ones who helped get get the people out of jail with the DNA. Exactly. Yeah Now think about all the falsely accused that was pulled and sent and they didn't even get everybody So so and then we say well, they don't know the history. It's a reason Well, we have to build we have to build it up correctly. We do older guys, man But sometimes people have to seek out history And their past, you know what I mean research I get it man, but you it's just like sometimes Sometimes these younger kids I've heard some younger kids say that um, they've reached out to some older older cats and they don't help Well, who did they want to it ain't it ain't that many of us from that era So they didn't reach out the nemesis Which I know they didn't if they didn't reach out the wrong sea Which I know they didn't if they didn't reach out to um pimpster The people that were from, you know Everybody, you know, 89 90, you know the ones that laid that original see if it wasn't for dj snake None of that music would have even well, I ain't gonna say wouldn't have ever come to dollars It wouldn't have been in dollars When it got here when it got here when yeah, because we were still just all we had What k104 was playing and 107.5 and How many rap songs you think they were playing back then and it was all commercialized rap songs So to hear uh, run them see to hear KRS one and then they bought the uh easy e and the nwh stuff On k&o in And that was the first of that and no one had ever heard any of this music before in their life I know what changed ours I know exactly what changed out and do you think some of these younger kids might be feeling or saying that? Back then is a different time y'all might not know About the way how things are now Well in the music industry because that's exactly what they're saying. That's why they're saying that I believe that you know what I mean and you can't because that's what your kid Well, that's what your kids say to you as parents parents, right? Yeah, I don't know shit Yeah, y'all didn't even have cell phones back. That's right. Y'all didn't even have google back then but We survived because we have some older rappers who come in who are still in the game who said that like It was hard to change when everything became digital To get used to that and so forth But that's where you go back to the david banner and all that stuff and the changing of the equipment I got caught up in that. Yeah, I got caught up in that. I mean We recently just released All my stuff digitally because I missed that way Right, I fucked off a lot of money. Yeah because of their depression. She's not thinking in the This shit ain't gonna work. You know, that's what I'm thinking man. Come on I didn't pay attention. So being a younger kid. They were like, okay, so what do you have to offer me? Just I mean good game. Yeah Good game. Well, um, let me and not not offer Just know about know about it. So you know where you came from. So, you know where you're going And and that respect will take them so much further than what they're doing already. It will hit so hard I don't think they're the first and I'm the first one out there. I got more radio plated bro. Come on This kid about me was in full fucking blast down here and everybody know it. Yeah. Yeah And so I don't never say anything about it. I don't say nothing. I'm because I'm humble Well, you know how we do it. Yeah No, I know you started they want to sound for something and we're like Somebody don't want to use that song. Yeah, it's it's coming. It's coming, but it's gonna be it's gonna be this money need It's classy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a classic song that I kept Close to heart. Yeah recently. I mean, it's on all streaming platform. Yeah now, but Like I said, I missed that wave for years and years and years and years, you know, so I missed out a lot of money Yeah, but the thing is it wasn't about money for me. No, it was I wasn't rapping for money A lot of people did I rap because I Love music and I was trying to help people. I was trying to start a label To help the people my wife wrapped Or I had a group called the swiss of boys Or baby rule low key. I had, you know, roguest life entertainment. We were doing that thing But I I was just the person that started it because of the ugk affiliation. Yeah We knew we had an avenue. It ain't what you know. It's who you know And you know back then I knew a lot of fucking people. Yeah And we were going to use those relationships To better our lives and that's that's the only reason I didn't do it for money I did it, you know, I wasn't trying to get rich in other words. Yeah It was all about the music to me. I mean, that's I was we was playing my record earlier and I was uh You know, it was just a scratching in it. I see you ever hear any scratching in anybody records and dollars I said I did it for the hip hop. Hey Because I love Hip hop. Yeah, and so that's where I sat with with man when you come from where you come from and have done what you've done You should be very proud of yourself and don't hesitate to conversate Yeah, because that's that's how you reach out. I come no, I'm talking about for yourself counseling talking about it Giving that story that helps that helps you heal. You're the first but I'm loving it It's about to go hard. I can tell you right now, you know, the thing I can say is we have to do that When you go through something that that that have you in a depressive state It's best you hear people say it's best to talk about you got to talk about let's see This is gonna be my therapy. Like you said, that's it. I'm still taking my medicine Yeah, but talking to my wife my family. Yeah, I don't talk to me Now you got a new friend e ceo e you man stop playing Mr. Maker is in the building Be looking for me within the next few months. Lord say the same I always say the Lord say the same to try to get you and Steve below on this panel again So we can just talk and have a good time man and just uh reminisce about you know, the the music. Yeah Um, the the the changes in the music. Yeah, and he said he for to do a little southern soul Yeah, he's been working on that for a while This will be the first place he bring it he told you some stuff, bro see below Like I heard y'all I heard bond talking about the uh, swissers and dope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you a story about that And he'll tell you He first put that song up on my space Really? It was in the little music. Remember you could put like four or five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm on my way He was putting the instrumentals up and I was listening to all this is what you had in jail Yeah, two years maybe a year before Chad came home and when I got to that swissing those I told him I said, bro What the fuck is that? I said that is my Shit, I said, that's my kind of music and for Chad to come home and that's the only beat Chad he picked Boy, that's spiritual right there. That's below. I said below That's the one right there Oh, no, I can't ask that's out of kawaii. That's what he said He said he said he said he wasn't even gonna send that one when he sent the package of beats that's tongue the beats I don't know why he said that wasn't the one. I don't know why I don't know why because the kind of music that pimp and bum were making that hustler type of music That was me. I love because we grew up doing that black exploration stuff the mac rest in peace max julian Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, he said He'll Let me see it all these songs man. I just think back all the time. How'd he come up with that? That's what I'm saying The boy was let me tell you something Port Arthur. Have you ever been there? No, no, we hadn't been okay. We need to go to port Arthur You know, we'd be we write down that vibe. It ain't the same Hurricanes have fucked that town off Really? Yeah, I truly hope that's that truly poke on my people down there. That's my that's my third home Yeah, that's my third home. Houston's my second port author. So I'm gonna say port author is my second. Oh, okay. This is my third. Okay. Um, well port author small East side and west side. Okay. If you're going north or south you coming about a port author. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So Bunby is a genius A genius. Why do you think buns are genes? I I met him in the shop dude And pimp is a genius Why do you say that? Them boys were 17 and 18 listen to that stuff they were saying listen to the Detail in the music that that man was playing at 17 years old If that ain't a old soul, that's a very old. So that's a old soul. That boy was on shaka con. Yeah 17. That's our music Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're from a different era than they were from. Yeah. Yeah for him to be on it Come on man. Yeah, and then the stuff that never came out The album that got stolen Oh my god, you you've heard some of the songs now like the uh, you ever heard smooth slanging I gotta go back and find that. Nothing but smooth slanging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That bun be so low. Yeah, and that um, manage a twa. Yeah. Yeah He gave me manage a twa Wow, you could have Because the label didn't clear none of that. So he said you could have it I was just gonna rap some same lyrics But I just um once it you know once it went My time I started working on music. I wasn't gonna use it. Yeah. It was a couple years later, but yeah That boy had a old soul and so for them for those two to be in that town Two geniuses and find each other and create history like they did is amazing to me. Wow. I mean because Boom could have been with a different producer. Yeah, could have been with a different rapper, which they did at first Yeah, they found each other and created history, bro Wow And then relationship like I say, yeah, it was it was beautiful At the same time they had you know, everybody There was never was nothing major. No, there was no no fuck up. I'm not none of that None of that there's business too. A lot of it business and you got personal all that mixed up. Oh, yeah Yeah, so there's nobody gonna get along for real. Well, man. Hey, man. Um, do you have anything else? Man, let me tell you something man. We love you. No, you too, bro And we're gonna always reach out to you. Thank you. Um, we're gonna say, hey man, are you okay? Is there anything we can do? You know, that's what that's what people that's what real people do and I'm country So and then see jamaican so Really Yeah, I know where you at. That's I interviewed uh freeway. I went all the way to la and interview freeway ricky ross and he's He's from tolles. Yeah Good people Say man, thank you for coming on boss Before I go I want y'all check. You know, I started my thing, you know, all heart of their party You gotta say, yeah, your plugs like well, how can people find you? Yeah, just get on, you know, all heart of their party h dp and uh We on facebook we on instagram instagram. What's that thing called baby the anchor app? Oh, yeah, we're using it all, you know, y'all can spot a five We fairly new but we doing that thing, you know, say we got you know, we what we do we do old school Yeah, everything from the beginning the rap to probably about 2005. Okay. And so we you know, the stuff we love So we got mixes, you know, me. I'm I'm only acting a goddamn monkey. You know, it's it's it's beautiful You know, so we we got probably about six seven episodes in We're just doing that thing man. I'm gonna be shouting that thing out man. Thank you, man Like I said, we're gonna we're gonna try to always link back up and and do some periodically To add to platforms grow. Yeah, yeah next next thing, you know, uh, we a thing down here in the Dallas. Yeah, thank you That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I got I'm gonna show up as iron sharp as iron man. You keep your wife. I'm gonna keep my wife Miss Jamaica, Jamaica, Jamaica maker maker In Houston No, what? You know about the maker maker It's called Jamaica Jamaica. That was the club in downtown Houston. He's going historic Check that out. That's your people making a pack and a food maker maker. Check it. Nice Bobo Luchata is in the building. Um, do you uh What what do you think do you think we did a good job with him? You think so? Man. Well, if we didn't he'll be back anyway. We're gonna do right now Oh, yeah, because I got a lot of You scratched the surface. No, that's what I'm saying. That's what we wanted to do because like I said The stories have to come out people need to and I wanted to ask you about pimp son because he's incarcerated right now To see that because that's that generational curse that hurt me. That's a cycle that hurt me. Did you hear what I just said? That hurt me and it had to be tough on them I always I told he's a leo the same thing coming up under that shadow and being looked upon a certain way And people looking at you and and and putting things on you that you may not even be won't even you don't deserve it He didn't deserve it. I mean he has to be born like, you know to see exactly. He's a person though But I definitely I thought about that. I'm like every time I think about that. I asked Ronnie about that too It's like man, it hurt me. It's it had to do you reach out to him or He and I didn't have the same kind of relationship. I remember, uh Exactly when I'm about to call him when he was born. No chatty boo Me and Chad was a lot closer than uh Then Cory Cory Cory was born. I think when right as Chad was getting ready to go in Okay, get locked up. And so, you know, he was a little little baby same thing with chris The his daughter through shinara. Yeah, so hadn't seen her since Chad died, bro. You know, they know I'm here Yeah, and I know where they are, you know, it's just time and real life keep us apart But yeah, I love them all. Yeah. Yeah, I've been in touch with uh chatty boo. You know, I'm excuse me Chad He's got a chicken. Yeah, I remember I mean, he was up here when he got the phone Straight the poor dog for the mama had a rig. I remember that Uh, and the baby was born. Wow, Natasha. What's up? Yeah, shout out So that that those are the things like I said, and I'm gonna I'm definitely I'll be writing people So if you locked up or whatever, I need I need to start bro We got to start doing something to get out of me and you just write and pull each other up on it We got to yeah, you know, I mean like let's let's let's make sure we get this done I need to get in touch with corda. We can do it. Yeah, because I just since you said that I feel like I'm dead wrong No, no, and it's okay because you can fix it you alive Yeah, and you it's you ain't too late. You know what y'all say? It's never too late. Stop being a bitch That's right. I've been I've been acting like a bitch not not not reaching out to that boy family. So we gonna we gonna get it done Yeah, you know, I'm blaming on the depression I'm not blaming everything I didn't do on the depression Chicken man. It's been another great segment of yeah post talk 101