 Hello and welcome to the drum history podcast. I'm your host Bart van der Zee and today is a very special episode with Three great guests, which is a new one for the podcast It's all about Orange County drums and percussion. It's part two. The first one was great with Michael Kelly But today we are joined back again by Jared Fallon who is big OCDP Restorer fan buff on everything OCDP. We have Corey Manskey who was a Builder from 01 to 04 and we have Nick Turner who was a builder from 2000 to 2003. Welcome to the podcast guys Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. Glad to be here. This is awesome guys I mean Orange County if people didn't hear the first episode I recommend it that one covers like the history of the company Lot of just you know, I don't want to say basic details but it really goes into that that everything you'd want to know about the origins of the company and Jared Actually posted something on social media asking for Questions that we might have missed which you guys had a lot of questions that you wanted to hear from us on this very very popular episode so I've asked Jared to kind of co-host this with me and he is going to help Drive this episode a little bit and and kind of cue up some questions for our builders from Orange County here So Jared, why don't you take it away and kind of let us know what people wanted to know that we missed in the first episode Yeah, let's let's dive in I guess we'll just start with Nick and then Corey can follow when and how did you start? So I started working at the shop in to it was like late 2000. I graduated high school in early 2000 I moved to San Diego and I was already like very aware of the brand like all my favorite bands I would read the liner notes and their CDs Everybody was thanking Daniel and John at Orange County and I was like I love the way those drums sound like I need I need to get in there. I need to figure out some more. I was a little punk kid from a small town in Arizona I couldn't afford them, but I was like I need to get close to this So I moved to San Diego and I started like going to the shop on Saturdays It was about an hour and a half drive for me and I took like the first time I went I took my Tom a Rockstar rack Tom in and I was like can you guys re-edge this for me and like I met John I met Steve and they're like, oh, yeah you know John took my my rack Tom in the back and like edged it and I ended up doing the whole kit for me and The bandals playing at the time I ended up moving to Orange County and I needed a job And I was just in there on a Saturday like hanging out and I was like you guys ever hiring and John's like well. Yeah, you know, can you hold a palm sander? You know, can you do this? Yeah, a hundred percent. He's like, all right show up on show up on Monday You know it a 10 10 a.m. Or whatever it was like kind of like bankers hours So I came in at 10 o'clock and the first thing was they had a they had a kit all packed up And I'm certain I the reason I got the job. I had a pickup truck And they're like we have to we have this drum kit. We have to deliver to West Coast drum today And it was like an eight piece. I remember it was like it was this Bad-ass stained green with a high gloss on it and it was like 8 through 16 toms And I forgot the 8 inch Tom at the shop my first job One job I went all the way to West Coast drum I dropped it off and like got back and like John was just standing there with the box and he's like You need to go back to West Coast drum center like you forgot this And so I'm pretty sure that like I said the reason I hired me is I had a pickup truck It saved like, you know, like someone else like doing two or three trips at the time But I was in there and it was kind of a thing of like, yeah, you know if this works out You know, if you're if you're not an idiot and that was kind of how they told me like if you're not an idiot You don't screw things up really badly. Like, you know, let's see how it works out. We'll hire you and that was in 2000 and Yeah, they never they didn't never let me go. I mean, I ended up I had I left all my own terms, you know later later date, but That was my start with the company. That's awesome Jared before we move on to Corey Can you remind people like what was like the heyday of like when Orange County was the most popular drum Brand in America in the world, you know what I mean? What what air? Yeah, I was uh, I was just about to say I think Nick would probably be a what I would say would be the height because if I just look at when Blink 182 came out with enema the state not that there weren't big records before that But I think really when blink 182 came out enema it kind of just blew up So I remember as a kid writing an email going like hey I want what Travis wants like everybody else. How long would it take and the answer was? Yeah, two years Something like crazy like that. I would say that would be the height right there like crazy 99 to like at least 2002. I don't think anybody was pumping out or making drums or in demand like Orange County was Wild man. Good time to be there. What about you Corey? When how'd you get your start? Well? so I moved to California in October of 2001 But I knew that I needed a job I was living in Arizona at the time and we had come out to Arizona. We had come out to California to kind of you know, hey, where should we live kind of thing and Randomly I had run into Josh Lam At the NAMM show he's wearing an Orange County shirt and I you know like Nick I knew about Orange County because I loved 311 and you know Anyway, I was obviously very familiar with Orange County because every drummer in 2001 was very aware of Orange County drum and and I Just called randomly and I was just like, you know here you guys hiring kind of like Nick said You know here you guys hiring and I spoke to John on the phone and I literally called that number like off of like the business card that I randomly got from from Josh like at the NAMM show anyways and And in my former life, I was a video editor in TV news in Arizona. And so You know, the only thing I really knew To do was when you go to a job interview You wear a suit. So So I didn't live in California yet I knew that, you know, I knew that I was about to move right and I knew that I wanted to have a job And I got here and so I literally drove to the shop and Santa Anna in a suit And I got out of the car and walked in and I think like John We got our wires crossed about what time I like the you know The interview was supposed to take place and I missed him by like a half an hour So I think that's right. And so like I literally stood in the lobby like, you know, like a pallbearer Like stand right totally standing in the lobby in a suit and the crazy thing is is like, you know Through the I mean, I'm standing next to Travis's kid, right? And because it was up on that riser Right in the lobby there and I'm like looking it was awesome There was two snare racks or three snare racks in the lobby and I'm like looking at the snare drums but like after ten minutes like that got really old because I was just standing there, right and So I kind of like I remember I would sort of like look into the shop sort of like periodically, you know Because I was just like, you know, I think in my brain. I thought that you know I thought that place was gonna be like the size of a Walmart and it wasn't you know I was just like I was like this is like a storage unit And so like I I remember like seeing a couple guys in there Of course everybody's you know in you know shorts and t-shirts and sawdust head to toe in the whole nine yards and Nick I'm pretty sure like you were the one like if not the only definitely the first person like come up to me and be like Hey, hey, bro. Like you want to like sit down or do you want to drink a water or something? You know and I you know and they were all looking at me like I was there from like the IRS to audit the place or something Yeah, we thought we were all going to jail and Corey showed up like it was yeah Yeah, it was crazy. So I I did have an interview and I think even John, you know now knowing John I guarantee that like when he saw me in When he saw me in a suit, I'm sure he was just like what in the heck is happening like and yeah got a job So yeah crazy Yeah, as he showed up in his the the shorts that everybody knows as John's shorts and the Always sleeveless t-shirt was like his on a nice day. He would tuck his t-shirt into his super short shorts That was shop formal if John had his shirt tucked in you knew that it was a formal day Man, but you weren't wrong to like I mean I feel like you know to show up to a job interview in a suit There's like, you know on paper you were right, but it's just like you know You don't know unless you know right unless you show up and see what it's it made for a good story Yeah, a hundred percent. I think it kind of like from maybe Bart and I perspective from like Looking at the website and what you you see some of these artists like Travis and all these guys playing the kits You would never think it is just a handful of guys in a small shop Just like walking around in shorts making you know, you would never ever expect that at all I felt like the pedigree of what the company was at at that time Well, I would never have guessed it's just like oh Okay, you can talk and walk. All right. You're hired for sure I wonder if it's a little bit of like if people think that it's so prestigious. They don't even bother to reach out I mean it honestly kind of took you guys some guts to like reach out and try and sign up for a job at the time I mean in full honesty like I moved to California with the objective of like I was I was such a huge fan of Travis at that Point just like of his playing. It was the first time I'd ever heard The sounds that his drums made and then like the way that he played When I moved to California, it was a goal that I like set for myself of like I'm gonna move to California and I'm gonna meet Travis Barker through like meeting or the guys at Orange County Kind of like how it started was like I asked about Adrienne Young giving lessons. I saw no doubt. I'm like, does he give lessons or you know? Like someone there someone's like, oh, he doesn't even know what he plays like he could never teach it to someone else But they're like Travis Barker gives lessons And so I mean like two of my huge like my biggest goals, I mean, I'm 40 years old This was I was 17 years old at the time Two of my biggest goals meeting Travis and then like I actually took lessons with Travis at the time when I worked there By the time I was 18 years old and it was the thing of like at the time I was like, oh, this is rad Now that I'm 40 and I look back on it. I'm like I Was something that was something I did I used to write checks to Travis Barker that I'm not even sure that he ever cashed You know like it was And it was and I didn't know the connection was Orange County and that's that's I didn't know he taught lessons That's crazy. I've never heard that. Yeah, I know for facts I blew my mind like Alon Rubin you think now angels and airwaves nine inch nails at the time I won't say it was Fenex TX maybe or I know a couple of the bands But he took lessons from Travis and I think Alon was one of the earlier younger guys to be endorsed. Oh, yeah Yeah, so I thought I thought that was mind-blowing like wait Travis plays in all these bands is like a megastar But is still giving out lessons Travis Travis was charging me $40 for an hour And I was taking lessons at the same time as Alon and like literally the the famous Stars and Shaps warehouse He was teaching lessons out of there He just had a drum kit set up in an office and like I would walk in like dude before me to walk out It's like I did see you next week like later And I would literally write a $40 check and I mean at the point that they were the biggest thing on MTV at that point It was it was insane and literally the connection was Orange County and that's that's crazy percent, you know, yeah Unbelievable was I mean it so he was a good teacher. Oh The thing is is that I had I had people like back in the day that were Like one once I learned Travis's background like his like all the rudiments and stuff like his marching background I had guys that didn't like Blink 182 that I would take to see Travis play and they're like What the hell like one one friend that's always stuck out to me He said Travis is a robot built by the government to make all other drummers feel inadequate And I mean The dude was the dude was a he was a badass I mean, he would do like like his snares would come back with like a hitting pattern like this and you can literally pour milk Into where his hitting pattern was and it would hold liquid like wow. It was it was insane. Yeah Yeah, dude with easy And he's only gotten better. Yeah, right So like run us through what it would be like if say if any of us came through back in 2001 or 2002 I think it was always, you know, one of my favorite parts about working there I think was it was always a curveball you I think that none of us none of us ever knew what to expect Like, you know, we you know to answer your question about like day to day It's like Nick kind of touched on it already like we show up and you know, we'd all There was work orders everywhere and all of us just sort of grabbed a work order and kind of went to town And you know, you had your you know, your people who were Edging drums you had your people who were sanding drums. You had your people that were sanding vents You had your people who were spraying the insides of the drums. You had your people who were wrapping the drums I said a long time ago that you know, we were We were like a family like we were like brothers. We were like a gang, you know, and you know I would say that that translated like, you know, when we were at Nam and stuff like at the booth like it was us against the world and it really felt like that and Just on a quick side note, like it's it's no surprise to me that like, you know, there's like 15 of us that like You know, we keep in touch. I mean we all we could all reach out to any of us and Immediately just be like it's like right there. So but I think like the day to day again You know, there were work orders everywhere and things were already at a certain stage of completion And we knew that we needed to dive in and we typically knew when that was like do buy and who it was going to blah, blah, blah But then I think, you know Every once in a while, you know, you pull an order and you look at the name on the top and you'd be like who you know And or you know, somebody would come around the corner and they'd say Such and such and so and so is coming to pick up their drums today and you're just like Really like, you know, Ray Luzier walks in Lou dog walks in Gil Sharon walks in I mean like it was Like hitters man. Yeah, and it's funny because in nickel back me up on this for those of us that really needed the money And I was one of those people There was an option to work Saturdays. So I worked Monday through Friday and then I came in on Saturdays and You know Saturdays were that was actually the sweet spot because that's when like Lou dog would like roll in there at noon and Literally like boy, I like he would bring like ten pizzas and like we would you know We're all just sitting around like building screws and like sanding and like, you know Some people may have smoked some stuff and and and then you know eating pizza like it was like that was crazy to me awesome It's like heaven. Yeah, I mean did you guys like it sounds like you guys had this like work like you said We're all in this together like sometimes with huge companies you kind of you can care less I'm assuming working for a huge mega, you know a drum company any company You don't care as much because you're just kind of a cog You know or you're just one of but you guys seem like really a family to everyone dude like we all Absolutely cared so much About what we were doing and what we were making with all the employees that worked there There was never like a dude that was like an outcast or like oh this guy We just let's put him in the corner and like he can polish like bad screws all day Like we were like Corey said like it was like we're like like we went to Nam show like we were like a gang like we all We rode together. It was do or die. I mean we all wanted we knew what we were putting it I mean, I think that we kind of knew what we were putting out We didn't understand the full impact like that what it would be today But yeah, everyone that worked there we all we all had each other's back and there was never like a dude Like I said like oh, this is the scrub that like he works in the closet or like, you know, whatever it was very much Like all for one and one for all like we're all we're all doing this and we we kind of had an idea You know what we're doing at that point now except Corey did show up every day in his suit though I always refer to that as like I called it bring your Corey to work day because by the time by the time John showed up Like I had like started talking to Corey and like we both found out like he said he moved from Arizona I grew up in Arizona and he worked on like the news broadcast that I watched as a child And there was a newscaster was like super hot Tara Hitchcock And so like me and Corey bonded over that and so by the time he got like hired on it was like a dude I'm like bro like remember that day you sat in the back of the shop and like we just talked about Tara Hitchcock until John Shut up for your interview That right there what other company like no the company has something like that or just that vibe where you can do that I mean, yeah, I guess like moving on in regards to the drums So like you said everybody really cared about what they were doing and really put in the effort And I mean the drums speak for themselves But in regards to that, you know, were you allowed to build your own drums? And if so, what did you guys build? Yeah, so I don't know if your recollection of this is the same as my Nick but John was always super cool about letting us build stuff and I would say That we got like a discount lots of the times he would say, you know Come in on a Saturday when it isn't a full crew and we aren't working on You know all the stuff to pay the bills and you know, he would say like You know, obviously the labor is free like if you if you were to you know, buy your homies lunch They'll like they'll work on your drums and blah blah blah. You just pay me for parts I that that's what I seem to remember and like Like just like Nick like I couldn't afford Orange County drums when I moved to California and I was a pearl guy when I moved to California and one of the things that I did Quickly like soon after I started there was I rewrapped my big pearl kit and I'll never forget that weekend like I'll never forget coming in on the weekend and like it was exciting to like pull it all apart and like You know have, you know, somebody re-edged and like and it's funny I still have that kit and I'll never sell it Because it has those magic the Orange County The plyo flatness and the bearing edges and it's the real authentic crushed Glass sparkle and it's purple and it's dope. I'll just never get it. Yeah. Yeah, eventually I did Get to the point where I purchased I purchased two snare drums and I paid for parts on another snare drum because While someone Dean was Filing the snare bed he gouged he gouged the outside of a 13 I was a 13 guy that back then It was a 7 by 13 30 ply with three vents and it's like a like a gray satin stain So you can see the wood grain over the whole thing and so and he's and he's just going crazy on the snare bed And he slipped and so there's a gouge on the side and since it was a stain Um, they they were like whatever they chucked it. So I pulled it out of the dumpster and I That's the truth and I walked into John's office and I was just like hey, so somebody Dean Scratch this thing and Like can if I if I buy the throw-off and the hoops and the heads and the tube lugs like can I build it? He's just like sure so I did and I still have that snare drum, too. Oh, that's awesome Nick, did you build anything or I kind of know the answer but uh for viewers Did you build anything? Right? Yeah, I mean like honestly at the time I mean being you know, I was as young as I was I I I straight up couldn't afford, you know orange county at the time So the first the the first thing that I did that was actually was and it was a cool thing You know like how Cory was saying like do the labor on your time was like we always had like We called them abortions Where like something would get messed up like a a firewood slip and come down the side of something Um, there was a floor tom that was built built for some 41 That had a a bad screw was drilled wrong in it and that it got like put on the shelf A rack tom that was made for Adrian young kind of was the same thing Um, I grabbed those two shells and put them together and I asked John I was like hey man, like, you know if I if I fix these You know, can I put them together and he's like, yeah, you know do the work like pay for the parts same thing And then on the kick drum, I wasn't sure what I was going to do So we had these birch shells that used to sit up on top of our router room We cut two of them down and John like fuse them together. We had this gnarly glue I can't remember the name of it But John like literally fused these two birch shells It was like a 14 and a 14 and then we cut it down to make it 20 inches deep So as a 22 by 20 And then we wrapped it like this gnarly gray fur And I just paid for parts on that the rest of the drums I mean they were going to get thrown away And so that was the first kit that I had that was like orange county that like I built You know, my homies were there Cory, whatever, you know, we all worked on it max was there Max actually was one of the first dudes that that played it the day that it was done But it was all just kind of like the reject stuff that we put together Um, but yeah, I mean, I honestly at the time I couldn't afford to just straight up be like I want to build a gnarly 40 ply snare drum. It wasn't my like I didn't get to build what I wanted to build But I got to build stuff to say I was playing orange county and I mean that was That was good enough for me at the time It shows initiative that you guys would do that I think any boss in any industry would be like you want to come in and Do what you're doing for work, but on your own time for yourself and get better at what you're doing I mean, I think that's a pretty cool thing. It's it shows passion. It shows initiative I think people bosses would like that, you know, and and you're there's no waste You're using stuff that was going to go, you know get in the dumpster or something. Yeah, right Yeah, I think it also kind of segues to my next question Like how did you guys come up with some of these? designs, uh, whether it be for a customer or the nam And I think it kind of goes back to if you guys were just grabbing the rejects and building stuff for yourself I'm sure a lot of ideas were maybe generated Um, or somebody came up with something that had never been done before just on their own time Um, maybe you could shed some light on that. Yeah, I mean You know for sure a lot of it was like once we started doing I mean, you know By the time I came along like, you know powder coating was a big thing and like a lot of other drum companies weren't doing that A lot of ours was like, you know, like, okay, like what finish can I put with some powder coating that's going to be like different whatever And then once we started getting into like the crazy stuff of like, okay, we've done this We've done powder coating. We've done everything we can do there Like that's when like Jeremy had the snare that he put like all the spikes on like the one inch like gnarlier than the vinny Paul snare It had like all the one inch but like you literally couldn't play it because it would rip your legs apart But like we started getting into like I remember like your this was like when I first started, um You know knowing like Travis like his love of Cadillacs I had gone to a junkyard and got a bunch of like the Cadillac emblems Like off the hoods of cars, you know, like they used to have the emblems that was on the wire on the top Like on the roof or the hood I started trying to figure out a way like I took one and drilled it and tapped it To one of our screws and I'm like, oh look if you put a 20 ply screw Through the front of a kick drum hoop, you could mount the Cadillac emblem On the front of you know, the kick drum And I I had some ideas that were a lot more crazy like crazier than that and Daniel at the time was like, dude like don't Don't let Travis see any of this or think know that we're you know Because if we do this, he's gonna want the next thing But it was like stuff like that just like oh we can mount What if we mounted a Cadillac thing, you know on the drum And then like Jeremy was I always felt Jeremy was like super Berman Was super like innovative of like, oh, let's take like he built the one that he took a famous stars and straps belt buckle And like in laid it into the side of a snare drum So like the badges on one side the belt buckle was laid in on the other side And it was just it was kind of like what's the craziest thing that we can do like what's What's something that no one else is going to come up with and it was always like spitball ideas in like One out of every ten Would stick of like, okay, let's try that that's a thing that's something we think is and also like I think that I think that like, you know back then the company's mantra was Our only limitation is your imagination and that was like on the catalog and it's funny because I don't I couldn't tell you who came up with that But I can tell you that all of us absolutely bought into that like You know, I mean everything and and and you know, even I think when the company started to make Good money that also gave us other options. Like John started to Be able to source you know other stuff to wrap drums in and and You know, like we did a kit that was authentic Wilson tennis ball material like from like I'm not talking to like a knockoff like stuff that Emulates I'm talking like He you know, he had the buying power or whatever to like get a a sheet of that stuff Like, you know, and so and I mean, you know, obviously we we I mean you already said for nick But like we did the Louis Vuitton stuff. We did leather. We did How's hide like you name it and it's like we started to have access to stuff because a we had the buying power would be We had the imagination. We just started to make crazy stuff and you also mentioned Jeremy and What like he was always so innovative like, you know, the volcano drum, which was you know What was it like a 13 on the bottom and a 14 on the top stuff like that is is is insane Like it's insane to build that stuff and and what I think is so crazy is that that that specific idea We were all just like What like Oh, so you're gonna build a 20 play on the outside of the and then and then we wrapped it like in this Walnut burnish and like had it like high gloss and it was dope I mean, some of that stuff can look really kind of campy and junky and whatever that thing was Frickin amazing. We mentioned this in the first, uh, you know the part one with with Mike Kelly and Jared But like Now you kind of take it for granted because SJC and there's all these other brands that and do this stuff over the years But it wasn't happening that no, it's just like looking at an industry at the very beginning of it of like kind of custom boutique unique Crazy guys going in junkyards people making wild drums. I mean this was like Seriously I also think that like there are a lot of companies now and even maybe then Like where that's all they did see the thing that I always thought orange county We we really could hang our hats on the fact that we were also making some Really great like, you know, no offense like just drums like the drums were killer You know what i'm saying and and and i'll say this like the thing that blew my mind when I first started there was We had the big four When I started there and the big four is travis adrian John Otto from limpisket and chad sexton like that in my opinion. I mean those were like Those are the big four. I mean at you know in 2001 there were no bigger bands on earth than those four bands Somebody already said like the notoriety everybody knew what orange county was and it you know Those drums sounded killer, you know, and this you know again We had resources to materials and blah blah blah and the spike drum that nick was talking about that was literally John asked you know came out into the shop and asked one day like hey, does anybody have any crazy ideas for nam? and you know When you when you when you say that to a group of guys and they're out there eating their lunch and covered in sawdust and You know listening to finch on the record, you know on the radio like We all start chit chatting about like stuff and nits right like some of those ideas were dumb and boneheaded and whatever and Some actually like reached a certain point where you'd try it and it kind of didn't work And I actually said to Jeremy we were standing in the back of the shop spraying the inside the drums He was training me how to do that and I said Hey, like those spikes that like people put on leather jackets. I'm like, what if we uh, and he stopped spraying And he just sort of looked at me He goes come on and we set the drums down and we both walked into the office And John was like just hanging up the phone and Jeremy's just like Man, he's got it. Like it's like, you know those spikes. You think we can get those spikes and blah blah blah and it was so funny because uh John goes well John goes well, how many like how many spikes? and Right and and it's funny because I said well, I said how many of those can we get and I was just like I was like, I don't know it'd be kind of cool and then Jeremy just totally cut me off He's like he goes the whole Drum was literally like love to love line It was impossible to play it. Yep. And and and and it was and it was Jeremy Jeremy was just like Let's let's wrap it in chrome first And then do it so it looked like hellraiser and and you guys might remember like I I still talk about this because that drum Which kind of basically fell out of my brain in the conversation with Jeremy Like that was on the cover of the catalog for like five years Or something. I mean, I don't know if it's five years, but it was a long time For the record, I've been searching for that drum high and low Somebody if anybody's listening out there, please call me. If anyone can find it, it'll be you jerry. Yeah, no doubt Dude, I hope you find it this episode is brought to you by kelly drums Michael kelly is one of the original builders slash designers from ocdp with over 30 years building experience As well as being a drum and studio technician Michael and I were trying to figure out a way to promote his new brand and it just lined up perfectly to have him sponsor This orange county episode kelly drums is a brand new drum company specializing in hand-painted snare drums of a variety of species of wood As well as metals and acrylics All drums are 100 bill and painted in-house in the usa with a focus on thinner shells for more full tone And using a variety of re-ring options for more attack check out everything as for sale at kelly drums.com That's k e l l e y drums.com and be sure to follow them online at kelly drums. That's k e l l e y drums Speaking of the drums You said it was all done tastefully. I do have to say I always remember reading on the site and Anybody had ever talked to you had actually played them. It didn't matter what color somebody chosen It didn't matter how weird or gaudy it might have looked They were always built to the highest standard same quality of parts. I remember I think on the site It was like everybody gets the same man hours. Everybody's drum. The only thing that changes is just the price and the finish Yep, so I always thought that that was cool. Yep and jared I want to jump on that and say because like I think jared actually you posted something on facebook the other day That was like it had some it was like a satin finish green Set and it was just oh, yeah, and I think you were rewrapping it But I was like it took me a minute and it was kind of like wait a minute I don't think I've ever seen just like a nice clean No real no frills orange county kit. I'm sure I'd seen that and I'm sure you guys did a ton of them It was sort of like It was like refreshing a little bit to like because you're used to seeing all these crazy finishes and stuff But I was like man, I kind of like that I feel like sometimes when you order drums from a company like orange county, you think to yourself I got to get something wild because that's what these guys do But it was beautiful. It was like it's cool to see just like a plain finish You know single color drums. I agree. You know, you don't see that too often. Yeah You know, we had the dude that was like the old dude. Uh, is it berry? Chanel, Chanel. Yeah, he played with the gap band He had like a an old school. It was a not champagne, but it was like sand Sparkled it was just a classic you to sand Bermuda sand sparkle Just classic that chrome hardware And I mean those like it was cool to see that once in a while and be able to see like That to me is as classy as like any like dw kit. Yeah, but also we can do Louis Vuitton with spikes that'll cut your legs up and A bike a bicycle that you can ride out of here. Yeah, nick like Think back to how many Just basic classic snare drums and kits we made. I mean, that's the thing is that's the thing I think most people don't know like I would say One out of every five Either drums or kits that we made were I mean, how many just basic flat black kits do we make? I get it that those are kind of travis copies, but that's a classic kit How many silver glass kits did we make like like we made a lot of that stuff and and You know, the other thing when I was talking before about Resources being able to afford more things we through the years. We brought on new Painters that specialized in different things. I mean, you know, we got to the point where we could blow candy and high gloss over Like beautiful wood grains. I mean we made some Really amazing. I think about the chad sexting kits that are all like the quilted maple that are like highlighter blue High gloss talk about classic like that's a beautiful Well, even your your snare that you and I talked to mike kelly about this is like one of my favorite finishes Yeah, the platinum birds. I just told Platinum birds. I just told He had something he posted. Well, it's famous. But yeah, the the platinum birds eye That was a just a super classy just beautiful Finish that was the most simple thing that we could have done that was all done in house Unless it was a high gloss, you know, it went out to get sprayed that was all You know mike did mike did a bunch of those, you know when he worked there. So, yeah, all right, cool. Yeah What was the craziest one you guys remember whether it was for an artist or for a customer One that just like sticks out in your head I mean, I I would have to say honestly and it's just because like my my personal connection to it was the first Uh three-wheel low rider bike that we did for loo dog Um, he had like kind of been piecing together like these weird Ludwig kits and then he came to us I think he'd like been doing snares or something but he came to us with this whole concept It was a Schwinn low rider bicycle three-wheel like three-wheel frame The rack toms were mounted up on the handlebars. The snare drum was mounted on the front of the frame like in front of the seat the kick drum The rack or the kick drum the floor tom then, you know symbols sat on the other side But it was this crazy like airbrushed like ghost like ghost flame kind of stuff or like under a certain light. It was just this bad ass green color and then under certain light you would hit like ghost flame stuff And uh loo dog let me like his thing is like he wanted to see it once it was all done He brought the bike in we had the drums done we assembled it all And he wanted to see it from afar like he didn't want to be like on it like too close to the project So he's like hey man, you've got to ride this thing out into my car and I was like I'm like first of all this is like a Probably a five thousand dollar low rider bicycle that you've brought to us And we've just bolted probably another six thousand dollars worth of drums to it Like I do not want to be yours. He's like you got to ride it You have to ride the bicycle and like Okay, dude, so he's got like his his 97 forward expedition parked out back And I jump on his bicycle and I'm like Oh my like I don't want to do this and I've never seen someone so excited and that by I mean that thing like We went and saw them at house of blues that night and everyone like was so pumped on the bike So pumped on the finish like just it was it was an amazing kid. It was like Kind of seeing like his crazy vision and our crazy vision collide That that one sticks in my mind is like one of my favorites. Just like Is this real life? Like is this did we just do this? We just bolted by sick That's crazy bolted drums to a bike and now they're on stage and the thing bounces on springs So when he played it The whole bike. Yeah, it's so good. All right. I got two crazies Two crazy kids. I can't make up my mind You know at one point Not only did we have other resources or additional resources for materials and stuff, but so did the artists and Like I mean Travis is obviously the you know ultimate in that regard, but um Dude when we started to get into acrylic drums That were Candied on the inside with lighting fixtures I want to say that orange county was for sure the first company to put lighting fixtures inside drums and make them Triggerable and stuff like that And and it's funny because the first lighted kit was for john auto was a huge failure And it sat in the office forever because it was um the strobes inside were from The their runway lights like that's how bright they are But they were so sensitive that all the great bass frequencies were like we're setting them off and john hated it So so anyway the crazy kit though um This is on the cover. He's sitting on the cover of modern drummer with this kit And they did part of the photo shoot for this kit in the office at orange county and yeti was um Was his tech at the time and me and yeti Clean the kit when it was done. It's the family tree logo So it's the blue acrylic kit that lights up from the inside and his kit is massive, right? So the thing that made it unique was it was blue candy and sandblasted on the inside. So it was frosted candy blue and the the family Um tree logo is like those three circles like with the trunk. That's like their logo, right? And that was put on before they were sandblasted Then it was painted then that was taken off. So it's like the the the drums are blue But then that tree glows white Out on the outside of every single one of the drums and that's the drum set that he's just chilling Like in modern drummer with and the best part was his budget was so gnarly that he goes Um, you just said it really simply he goes I need and then I need a replica of this For europe but just make it but but just make it the inverse is what he said So and by the way, I have pictures of that kit because the inverse that they sent to europe is all clear with blue candy hardware and the blue candy tree logo on the thing It's gnarly. So that that was a crazy kit and like putting that thing together was Amazing because that thing was amazing. And then my second crazy kit This will go right back to to nick because it's a story about his favorite dude ever um I was walking to the bathroom and if you're walking toward the bathroom The phone was like on your way like up to getting into the front of the Right and the phone was just ringing as I was walking by and I picked it up I we always all did that whatever the phone was always ringing off the damn book So i'm walking up the phone rings. I pick it up and it's travis And at the time he was married to you know where i'm going with this nick at the time he was married to um The playmate. What was her name? Was it shana? Yeah shana. And so he had a kit That was all of her centerfolds all over the drums and then they blew uh high gloss over the whole thing And we were literally working on that kit right then like so Anyway, so I pick up the phone. It's travis and he's literally calling to check on the status of that kit And I had met travis before but I had never spoken to him on the phone before And so he starts to ask me about the status of the kit and I froze because I didn't want to say We I just drilled her I just screwed her I just polished her I just because that's what we were doing like we were hands on Like making this thing, you know, and it felt crazy that we were all looking at these drums going God, she's hot or whatever and I'm the guy that draws the short straw picks up the phone And it's travis on the phone asking how the kid is coming along and I just like a deer in headlights I just stood there like you have got to be kidding like yeah, it was I didn't look at her dude Yeah, right. Yeah, I didn't look at her except for when I was drilling the badges like through her nipples like Um, sorry, dude like I just touched like I didn't know what to say. Yeah That's awesome. Let me get john for you One second. All right, um, thanks for that story core You know 13 year old may probably would have been in heaven at that point. Um Yeah, so another question that uh a lot of people including myself have like kind of wondered over the years I know Maybe not the first but it really kind of felt that way that the when did the acrylic and the hybrids of like Melon wood or wood and acrylic really start to like come into play Because I remember just seeing that and it just going Wow What is that? I think a lot of that goes back to jeremy again I think that it's just him being innovative and I think that Again, once we had resources what we were you know starting to get into the acrylic land like I just mentioned a second ago It's like It was natural for us to be like oh you got some chocolate in your peanut butter You know what I mean? It was natural for us to be like mix. Yeah. What if mix them up? Yeah I remember the very first um And I don't jared would probably know better because I didn't pay attention to stuff like them But it was like basically the equivalent of like the 20 ply That we got and it was like from the the company that supposedly made like shamu's tank We got the 14 inch shell that was like it was equivalent of 20 ply like the half acrylic shell. Yeah And so like I remember the first one of those that came in and like we figured out like we got it vented And we got the edges cut on it and like I remember like specifically like I got to sand the edge on it And as I was going through I was going through this the smell first off But I remember going through like the you know the grades of sandpaper going, you know 220 and then we took it down to 400 And I remember being like, you know if I hit this with 800 We can make this the edge on this thing is going to be You won't even be able to tell where it's cut. It's going to be like like a diamond It's just going to be beautiful And we sanded that thing down. I think what it's probably like I would say like 800 or even more more Maybe it was some steel wool And then like polished it and like that was the very first shell that we got and that might have gone to travis Or you know, it's probably You know being that it was the first one it probably went, you know to travis or someone, you know on his caliber at the time But that was just thing of like seeing that for the first time of like This is something that I've literally never seen. I've seen the vista lights and you've seen the seams in um, yeah That was the first time of seeing something completely just like this is the first one of its kind Yep, yeah And we're doing this like my hands are on this drum and people are going to see this in freak out. Yeah crazy, you know the whole thing kind of makes me think too like Like in an alternate universe, this would be like an awesome like tv show like a reality tv show and i'm not talking like You know a lame one, but i'm talking like a like like almost like a cool car show Or like orange county choppers back in the day or something where it's like dudes in the shop doing crazy stuff Would have been awesome that actually pitched to john and he said no I'm pretty sure that sounds like john i'm pretty sure i read in like high times back in the day that he was the That was pitched him from like discovery channel and he said yeah, no, we're good Um, i'm almost positive it would have been discovery channel. I'm almost positive. I read that. Yeah, um Interesting as far as that goes had that ever come to fruition I mean one thing I was just thinking like oh i was getting ready to do this I was like one the craziest thing is like we didn't have Cell phone cameras back then we didn't have I literally have no pictures Of the time that I worked there. I have pictures of like myself with the drums outside of the shop But I don't have there's the the the cd rom or dvd rom whatever that they put out That kory and I are both in but like outside of that I don't have pictures of us working there, but I mean that the day to day It would have been freaking hilarious We did we had tape ball fights. I mean we had just like Trying to figure out who's going to lunch who's driving to lunch like just the in and outs of Of working there would have made an amazing tv show. I totally agree Yeah, but it I mean it's kind of the bonum effect or like keith moon where like there's this mystique of like We don't have photos or that mean we have a lot of videos and photos of those guys But we don't have day to day every it kind of takes a little bit away from it It would have been awesome But like there's something cool about like just hearing these stories from you guys Is like our you know the oral history of it as opposed to like all right. I'm sick of these guys click next channel You know what I mean, even if as cool as it is we all still Yeah, you know, it's just it's makes it kind of special that it wasn't recorded right. Oh, yeah Well, I think this kind of goes back. So Cory mentioned earlier josh lamb if i'm not mistaken He was the guy who was kind of doing like the Like the the pictures and the the web stuff, right? Yeah, he was and john was like it actually did get to a certain point I don't know who tipped the scale here and I don't know who Eventually got into john's ear regarding You know whether it was website stuff or promotional stuff, but like I think that I think I I remember the popularity of the catalog Really, you know because you know like to to next point. We didn't have cell phone camera Like there wasn't twitter. I mean there was but like that stuff was in its infancy. So like yeah, right So so the catalog was a commodity like that there were people I mean how many people came to the nan booth Can I just get a catalog dude? There was hundreds of those people every single day So I think that it got to a point where John, you know, he just went out and bought a really nice camera And it's funny a lot of the pictures that you see in the catalogs and stuff Dude, those were shot in the back parking lot in the sunlight Like that's the truth. Yeah. Well, like what I was getting at is like I mean a lot of it was undocumented because the internet was so in its infancy and um, I'm sure a lot of it was like Hey, let's just get the shipped out or whatever the case may be but You also said you did a lot of modest Tons of classic and modest builds, but I'm sure a lot of those just never saw Um a catalog So when you I a lot of people think orange county, they think what they saw in the catalog or the nam show Like to this day, I'll see something pop up on whether it be ebay or reverb and you go Oh Well, where did that come from or hiding in a rock? Like there's a lot that is still Like the mystique about it of we don't know what's out there. I think that went back to that uh The question in the first podcast was like how many of these things were made because they weren't serialized Do you actually like haven't a number for that? Man, I would guess no in nowhere to begin. Yeah, I mean All I have to say is the entire time I worked there in a three-ring binder We had an order book for snare drums and an order book for kits And those were a single page in a in one of those like laminated sleeve Those three-ring binders were like as thick as an old phone book or like a dictionary And the the snare drum one was always that thick and the kit one was always that thick. So I mean God, I I don't know the number of drums that were cranked out, you know, I mean 600 just for travis like like it's It's a lot. I'm kidding about the 600. But yeah, it's but but I mean that's a lot Um real quick funny story that you say that Um To deviate from this a little bit. There was a guy I had met through ebay years ago named rick caro who was friends with John's brother. I believe it was joe machata and he had like a Honda When he used to do boats and used to paint he went dumps driving the day that orange county closed Because a lot of things were thrown in the dumpster. So I bought a lot of you know parts and things like that He asked if I wanted binders with papers and I said no Ah I want to say that that would probably I'm not giving myself right now thinking that that probably held the answer to Yeah, that was a holy grail, dude I did not know that now You Jared I mean that's a part of the history now though Which is crazy is like of like that story is a part of orange county history of like not getting that binder Because it's just like I'm sure that happened with slingerland or are we through that away? You know, it's like or it's now. We know I have something now We know the guy who blew it. Yeah, right? You're welcome Or also like mike has been hounding me for it. I just haven't had the time I have a storage toad that I also got from him that has all the cutouts of the vents With all of the finishes. Oh, yeah And literally mike was like if you go through them, I could tell you you probably have stuff from travis's drum Chad's drum. Yep. Basically every time they cut a vent I have all those plugs. I just have to go through them and uh I guess to kind of like drive it home from here. Um When you guys were there or after you left did you Really know the impact of the brand or what you guys had done or built Or that people would still be talking about it today Or that it would still be around anything like that I mean for me now, like I said, I I just turned 40 and so like looking back on like I started working there when I was 17 Like I knew that there was something like when we went places like people moved out of the way like the nam show We were the I mean which we used to have like beer in our booth and like dickies Outfits, right? Yeah. Yeah. We had the button down dickies shirts with embroidered logo on it all that I mean we we knew back. I mean I I understood back then that there was something with that brand That drew people and like we were like the hot You know at the time we were the hot commodity and just kind of You know being a kid and being just trying to figure out life like I probably some of that got lost on me And then it was almost like an immediate as soon as I wasn't working there anymore. I Kind of like realized like oh crap. That was like that was my My once in a lifetime like job. That was my I mean the people that I met we had lunch with you know Like Cory said like travis calling on the phone Adrienne coming in for lunch and like playing us the new no doubt record before anybody had heard it Just all the the crazy stuff that we had access to that nobody else did Kind of as soon as I wasn't there anymore And I mean I had a good relationship with them up until like the guitar center thing like I had I took one of the the first prototype guitar center kids out on tour That john gave me Pretty much as soon as I left I kind of realized like the full Scope of what that was but I've never appreciated it more than I do now of like being an older an older person and and knowing Kind of how life works and understanding that you know companies like that like that was You know, you could put orange county next to DW or or next to pork pie or any of these companies that have been around like build edamore story that you did was great I love that. I love I love hearing that and and kind of like being able to parallel You know what I did or where I worked at the time next to those companies I definitely appreciate it way more now, but at the time that I was there working As crazy as it was it was it was my means to pay my rent and to you know keep food in my mouth But there was also a sense of like we're a gang we're a family We're we're doing something that no one else is doing And if this is badass And so yeah, that's awesome. So I'll piggyback on the next answer and I'll just say You know Nick and I are really similar in the sense that when we began working there We already knew that it was a big deal So I think the real Word the real phrase here is is lasting Deep impact, you know what I mean? Like that's the part that I think was really hard to judge then You know, it's like some, you know, I heard somebody say one time like oh a drunk company is only as good as its artist roster And I remember like Like belly laughing when I heard that because at the time working at orange candy I was like who's got a better roster than orange county. Are you joking like we had the best roster, right? And so like so when I heard that and when I thought about that back then I felt like okay Well, if we're only as good as our artist roster and if that's the thing that's creating like that deep, you know impact It's like You know, you got to think like Ludwig has made tons of bonnum copy kits, right? And if there's been, you know, tons of, uh, you know ringo copy kits made, you know For sure like the time that we worked at orange county drum you know many Travis copy kits we made and here's the thing the crazy part about travis is how many Kits is travis famous for like seven or eight different kits, you know The yellow the stars and the red white and blue and that like right and it's like we made A zillion copies of every single one of those and so like if you want to talk about, you know, deep long lasting impact It I mean you you don't have to look any further than how many copy cat kits we built but To tell you the truth I knew that we had something special But like nick like there's a couple of moments Where you really recognize that you have something special and like You know, I would say I have two of those moments. The first moment is like, uh um At nam my second my second ma'am with orange county Uh travis came and it was a saturday and it was a day where he was going around to like he would go He went to like rimo And he was mobbed and he went to zillion and he was mobbed and blah blah blah And he got to the orange county booth and I do have pictures of this he got to the orange county booth and You know, like all of the walkways were totally clogged There was hundreds of people there and it was at the end of the day Well, if you've ever been to the nam show about half hour before the show closes There's an announcement over the pa that says, you know, hi, you know attention nam showgoers the convention center showroom four closes in 30 minutes and please make your way to the exits and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and like None of us at orange county Or travis or any of those 300 people Muscle like because because here's what we knew we knew that all of the rules Did not apply to us. They didn't he's travis he's That's travis like we're orange county like go ahead and shut the lights off bro like We're all here. We're not none of us are going anyway It was and like that's crazy like if you think about that right now, that's insane And like that that kind of stuff happened and so that was definitely a moment for for for me and and the last thing I will say You know, Jared, you and I kind of went back and forth. We messaged back and forth about this like Not only were we making copy copycats of the stuff that we made but in every subsequent year you go to nam and I don't have anything against all of our like competitors or whatever Every year we would go there and we would all sort of Chuckle at the fact that like all these other companies were the next year They were doing the thing that we did the you know the previous year You know, it's like, you know the very first time I ever went into john's office and said we had just gotten this this um vertex this this machine that cuts laminate and max had just trained me to wrap drums So I was wrapping a lot of the drums at that time when we got this machine And the reason why we bought this machine is because you didn't have to cut Um glass sparkle by hand or for mica by hand which ruins your wrists your thumbs blades. It's it's terrible. So this this, um Very axe very tax. I don't remember That's it's something like that. Jeremy has the machine like the actual machine at q. Yeah, anyways So I remember I went into john's office and I said, hey, I said I said, I have an idea. Do you mind if I pull a scrap some scraps out of the dumpster and try an idea? He said, yeah, what's your idea? I said, how How narrow can I make the blade? How narrow can I make the cutter? And he goes he goes, I don't know. He goes if you go too narrow It's just it's just going to rip the material apart It's just going to chip it and it's going to be not use not not usable and he goes But if you want to work with some scraps, he goes, you know, knock yourself out and I was like, okay And so I literally like grabbed scraps And I just started to run this Material through the machine and it was just chewing it up and it was not working But then I hit that sweet spot where I was at about like a half an inch and I was like, hmm And I ran it through and I had a nice clean Strip and I was like, oh dude So then I started to like sand the edges of that strip and I flipped everything over on a table And then I just started to tape it together like we did with the red, white and blue Travis kits But the strips were just smaller, right? And so I did it with and I was just like, hey, can I wrap A drum in material that everybody hates like just because we're not, you know, we're not going to do anything with it He's like, yeah, sure. He goes use the, you know, blue Canyon marble and black gloss We got tons of black gloss for Micah. So I wrapped this drum And I'll never forget I wrapped it and Jeremy even Measured it off edged it and we built it And I walked it into John's office And he was just like Oh my god And I'll never forget that drum and I have pictures of that drum because I owned it for a while. It was a 10 files It was a crappy shell, but black gloss blue canyon marble Black gloss blue canyon marble black gloss and with all silver. It was dope and we took it to Nam that year And that that little experiment so well went so well that John was just like, well, what if we did that with this? And what if we did flat black and, you know, silver glass and so we started to like Like invent stuff like that and and like literally you go to I I went to Nam four years ago And I was like Ludwig. I was like, oh look stripes. Like I was like, that's me At the end at the end after like after I was gone and that's one thing I'm bummed that I missed The wraps at the end of it were just like insane, which is like everyone is doing like Gretch had the one that had the the little cut out in it Or, you know, D drum had the one that had like the racing stripes. It's like, I know where that all came from Yeah, I mean that finch kit the black and red finch kit for the she burns video Like that was that Alex walked in that day when I was farting around like making strips or whatever and he was you know, you know Yeah, and Alex walked in and you know, they're on a record label and his pupils were this big and uh, he was just like that like Man, I I want to throw it out there that like before, you know, like before we did this and after doing the first uh interview with Jared and Mike Kelly that like I saw a couple comments of people just being like, wow, I remember orange county drums I just didn't know it was such a big deal Who would be from the generation who was a little bit older and you cannot blame them for that? They're they're like they just weren't that of that age and I think that It just needs to be kind of if people listening right now are feeling that and kind of thinking. Yeah, it was cool Whatever, but like if you were like, you know, like Jared and I are the same age if you were let's say 10 to 12 years old to 30 something years old at that point Uh and kind of into that this is like Travis Barker orange county. It was Ringo and Ludwig of that air. You know what I mean? It was Like revolutionary. It was kids dream kids. I think I said that in the first episode Yeah, we lived that in the first one like it was the equivalent of like seeing a radio king with with gene krupa That generation you see Ringo. Totally Ringo with the Ludwig. You see Bonham behind a Vistalite You see Alex Van Halen behind that monster and then you see Travis or Chad or even John Otto coming out with this massive kit Yeah, I mean that sums it up right there it for our generation in that time. There was nothing bigger Once in a lifetime. Yeah, well, I mean once in a generation I would say and maybe if it happens again with another company and another drummer It'll be something different. It won't be the same just like this wasn't the same as the other previous, right? You know trailblazers. It's you guys What you said before I think was actually really kind of like moving about not really understanding until you left But I mean, that's just anything that's life like you guys had an extremely cool job That only a handful of you could fit all those people in like one small room You know what I mean who have the experience that you guys had. Yeah, it's just incredible When I I know that I've told Cory and I've told, you know, like some of the like I've told Mike Kelly um Like I'll have dreams that I'm like back at the orange county shop But it's like everything's like weird. It's like it's been shut down But we're gonna like, you know, try to bring the custom shop back And it's like me and like John and Cory and we're like trying to figure out like Okay, you know, all right. We got it. We got to start with this like, okay Here's the shells like let's you know, let's bring this thing back And I mean, that's a it's a crazy thing for me that it's that Big of a staple in my life that I literally dream about being back there And it's like I can remember the exact what that shop smelled like. Oh, yeah You know, I know the details. I remember Cory outside we had a room that just the router and the table saw that we cut shells in There was a room built in the back that was like soundproofed. It just had carpet on the outsides And there was a phone right there. And so like sometimes you'd answer the phone You kind of be stuck there for a while it had like a 20 foot cord And everyone would get bored and you would like draw shit on the wall Cory at some point was on the phone And he drew this little graphic that said eight plex of butt nuggets And he drew it like literally right next to the phone And so anytime you went to answer the phone that was outside of the router room You stared at this little and it was like looked like an old school like movie sign like had the like Bubble around it And like you would just go answer the phone every time I just I couldn't help but laugh I'd see eight plex of butt nuggets and I'm like But that that kind of stuff like I mean it sticks with me like I said, I dream about that place I miss it like it's it's uh, it's uh, it was a time in my life Can I just answer my last question? It was uh, one of the last questions was like, what do you miss the most? But uh, That's it's the eight plex there. Yeah, I was gonna say it's butt nuggets Butt nuggets. Well, and I'll so I'll I'll answer the what do you miss thing? You know, it's it's a little bit like, you know For anybody that's a sports fan whenever they interview Uh a sports uh an athlete after they retire and they ask them, you know, what is it that you miss? They always say the thing that I'm gonna say Which is I miss the camaraderie. I miss the guys. I miss the vibe. I miss You know really genuinely All connecting like having this thing in common this common goal and we all really clearly Gave a hundred percent like we all really cared about what we were doing And I think that the the beauty in that is that we all held each other accountable There was nobody there that sucked Because we wouldn't know nobody was ever off their game. Yeah And so I miss the guys I miss I miss the movement I miss what we were creating because although nick and I Probably didn't realize at the time like the the really the long lasting impact. We did know During the time there that we were doing something Really special and it felt like that every day. That's awesome Great answer And I think one of the last questions that I had uh that a lot of people are curious is uh Do you guys actually own any orange county drums or still play them? I do So I've got this kid. This is a 13 16 18 20 2 This was built for chris hornbrook from poison the well I've had a couple like I said when I worked there I could not afford them. Where'd you uh, where'd you get that 18 from? My friend I've got a friend named jared actually who has a crazy line on like finding insane like So I told cori you might know the story there was a there was a snare drum that we had that was sat on the rack forever that was uh Was it was four vents, right? But the vents were under the tube lugs Yeah And I had like long tube lugs on it. It was blue glass glitter And it was a 12 or 13. I think it was like seven or eight I told jared that like that was the one snare drum Like I always told john like i'm gonna buy that i'm gonna buy that and then like finally someone else bought it I lost out on it jared's like yeah, I own that drum at one point. I could probably track it down and i'm like So yeah, so uh, yeah Jared is mine and that's I told him earlier that we were on the phone and I was like, you know, I was like I'm so screwed up on dates. I'm probably gonna refer to you like on a bunch like a bunch of this stuff I know that I was there, but you obviously know way more about it than I do like for various reasons I just don't remember things like I used to maybe it's old age I still have two snare drums. So I have um, I have a really weird affliction. I name all my snare drums. And so, um So I have baby girl, which is the first snare drum I ever You know bought paid for made blah blah blah and that's the Five and a half by 13 20 ply vented that is the um Platinum birds eye with the high gloss on it with the black chrome um hoops and lugs and um, that's the first that was one of the first drums I had seen Where we had the badge made And it has the ocdp logo and my name under it. It doesn't say orange county drums. It has my name And so I still have her. She's a sweetheart. Um, and then I have the gray satin stain seven by 13 30 ply three vet that I yanked out of the trash and paid for the um I paid for the the the parts on and uh, he is affectionately named a dude And um, he he he does abide. Um, and he's badass Awesome. Well guys, I got to say this is just like this is different in many ways because first off This is more people I've had on the show Uh than than at any other time. Um, it's like almost 11 o'clock at night here So it's later than we usually do them, which is kind of fun Uh, it's just really special to get people who were at orange county. Um, and kind of follow up on that previous episode. So Um, real quick, uh, let's start with kori first off kori. Thanks for being here Is there anywhere you want to direct people to like find you on social media and stuff like that? Yeah, sure Thanks for having me man. It's been a blast talking about this stuff and reminiscing and seeing all your faces and stuff Yeah, uh, you can find me my name on on on instagram and twitter and stuff where you can go to kori manskey.com There's links to everything there and music and videos and all kinds of crazy cool stuff Awesome awesome. And nick my friend. Thank you for being here and sharing your story as well Super cool to have you same question. Where do you want to anywhere? You want to direct people to keep up with what you're doing? Yeah, thanks bar. Thanks for having us again, man. Uh, yeah, my personal instagram is at dag nasty d-a-g-n-a-s-t-e-e Um, I try to keep up on drum stuff over there. I also just started a coach company this week With my wife and my my good buddy josh commits. We're running out tour buses out of magnolia, texas um, you can find us at texona touring on instagram and Yeah, read a bus. I need the money Dude, if you rent a tour bus from someone listening to this show then tell me because that's uh, pretty small world Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be killer. I'll take it. I'll take it And uh, dude jared, I think you did an awesome job kind of leading the episode and being prepared and getting questions from people So, uh, it was kind of different after 173 whatever episodes to take kind of the back seat and uh, you did a very good job So thank you my friend. No, thank you glad to do it, man And again, why don't you tell people ghost note percussion all that good stuff where they can find out what you're doing? Yeah, so um, uh pretty much on instagram is the main go-to. It's uh At ghost note underscore percussion. Uh, there you'll see Not just orange county, but a lot of restorations Rewraps repairs some things that I make and then um, you can also find me on facebook Cool. Yeah. Yeah. And if obviously from what nick said before if you guys need or are looking for orange county drums, I mean Jared is your dude. I mean find him on social media and reach out to him. Um, and then last but not least Let's just I want to mention for people who heard the first episode Mike kelly has like created kelly drums like he said I remember he ended was like i'm starting a drum company He has like done it like he has bought all the machinery He has like been producing drums. So way to go mic. Um, I'll put the link in the description for that as well I feel proud of him from you know in that time Starting it's awesome. Yeah, he's a great dude. I'm happy for him. Like the dude. Yeah, they look awesome So, um, all right these guys it's been a long one But they're gonna hang out for another couple minutes and give me a little bit more of their time We're gonna do a quick patreon bonus episode and we are gonna talk about uh, sometimes where uh, Kind of the classic patreon bonus question of things didn't work out right things got a little screwed up and they learned from their mistakes And uh, and were better for it. Um, so if you want to hear that go to patreon.com slash drum history podcast And uh, check it out or go to drumhistorypodcast.com patreon link and uh, you can hear it there. So Um on that note fellas, thank you so much for spending the time here again, Jared You have killed it my friend. You did a great job This is awesome. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for having us man. Appreciate it