 All right guys, so Nick Ferrari is about to call me Nick Ferrari he's one of the commentators on a channel called LBC radio and He's about to call me about this atrocity where live Cubs live Fox Cubs were fed to a hound now The last interaction me and Nick had was quite heated a quite a heated exchange about DXC I was on my Europe tour the last day. I was very wound up, you know Underslept and kind of came across maybe a little bit abrasive towards him What do you want to talk about fairness and justice it's not fair that we subjugate the most innocent beings on earth That's not fair. Why are we doing it to them for? Why are you participating in this water? But this is a very interesting topic and we'll see what goes down. Oh my god. Here they are They're calling now, so we'll just get on the call and see what they've got to say They were spared jail which is perhaps surprising he was given a 16-week prison sentence suspended for a year while Rose Suspended for a year. They were ordered to pay 415 pounds Joey Carpstrong is an animal rights activist. This to me seems extraordinary linear You are of course you and your colleagues work in this is this the sort of sentences of course normally hand down. Good morning Hey going Nick. Um, I'm not too familiar with any of the sort of live baiting when it comes to fox hunting But I think this highlights a wider issue of how we view some animals as lesser than and I think it's a cultural issue It's like with hunting they feel that foxes are pests and they're less Superior to their hounds and they've just been conditioned to to to view these animals is so far less than that It's fine for them to sort of feed these live foxes to their dog I don't I don't think it's completely unnecessary. I think fox hunting generally is unnecessary They could be they could be doing that baiting them and getting giving them the taste of the foxes and the smell of the foxes and You know sort of rallying them up and giving them that taste for blood I don't know what sort of sick motivation they have for such an unnecessary sport this unnecessary Suffering charge that they've charged these two with there's so much unnecessary suffering Towards animals in society and it's all due to the way we view different species as lesser than and this is this this Particular subject here highlights that thanks buddy. Thanks We haven't limited time there. There was some men. There were many things I wanted to cover there But what happened is they were live baiting these Fox cubs to hounds and I guess to give them the taste of that I don't really know too much about why they would do that while they would do something so sick, but What I was trying to highlight is that There's a wider problem here with species and we've got two animals that are inherently the same foxes and dogs Okay, but hunters they've been culturally conditioned To see foxes as pests and hounds as their sort of comrades I remember like me and Nick had it out. We had it out and I got to the point with Talking about pigs and gas chambers and like what about these pigs? You know and I remember vividly his heartless statement It's just a pig bolt gunned in the skull and slashed across the throat because you like the taste of their flesh What did they ever do to you? It's a pig. Who cares? What does that mean? It's a dog. It's a dog And this is exactly what's going on in society. They're just foxes, you know, it's just a chicken We've got baby piglets killed with blunt blunt force trauma six-month-old pigs being gas chambered 42-day-old chickens little baby chickens in their mind. There's grown selectively breading just overgrown You know broken legs can't even suspend their own body weight. They just hung up. They're kept in Absolute tragic conditions and if not, they're they're treated like products because we view animals as lesser than Bobby carves stolen from mothers in the dairy industry You know bolt gunned in the skull shot in their head with a rifle here in the UK I mean, we're talking about Fox Cubs, right being dumped in a bin I was out here in the UK a UK dairy farm opened up the bin. What was in there two dead? carves and two dead pheasants, you know on a dairy farm Exactly the same thing exactly the same thing But the same society who are outraged with the fact that they're they're feeding these live cubs Fox cubs to these hounds are the same society that pay for other animals baby animals to be abused and They cause unnecessary suffering with their food choices with their lifestyle choices in all other aspects of their life But this issue I guarantee you will cause outrage to those same good-hearted people who pay for animals Abuse and unnecessary suffering every single day three times a day four times a day in in every single other aspect of their lifestyle So whether that's food clothing entertainment animal testing all the animals that are used for non-vegan products It's causing unnecessary suffering unnecessary suffering. Look, this is this is what they said delivering her verdicts The judge said video clips recorded at the hunts kennels by anti-hunting activists using covert cameras They speak for themselves. They speak for themselves. This is this is what they've been charged with Julie Elmore Paul Reese admitted two counts of causing unnecessary suffering before the trial Unnecessary suffering they got charged with these two and they didn't they didn't go to jail, which you know like I Understand where this mentality towards animals stems from and it's the same place that Nick Ferrari's mentality towards animals stems from when he said it's just a pig It's just a pig, you know, that's what we have to unravel. That's what we have to Treat is this sick mentality. We have towards different species of animals and it's all cultural conditioning now Should they be punished hell? Yeah, they should have gone to jail should every person who causes unnecessary suffering to animals Be punished. Yes, they should but I also think they should be educated They need to be educated. Okay, and this is what we do with our vegan advocacy We have to educate people because they're brought up in a sick violent culture a sick violent society So let's just check out the age of these two. So we've got Julie at 55 and Paul at 48 now I guarantee you they've been conditioned since they were toddlers to view these animals differently if they brought up into this hunting society that they view chickens as food foxes as pests Hounds as their friends, okay dogs as their friends This is all The speciesism that's been indoctrinated into the middle young age. This is the problem It's inherent in society and that's what we have to treat sending people to jail just deals with the symptom Educating people deals with the cause It's a dog They breed dogs in Newland for meat, too. Is that moral? That's got nothing to do with morality. Illegality and morality are two different things