 Welcome to this episode of Door Hardware Nerds. I'm your host, Mia Merrill. Today I'm joined by Kevin Waring. Kevin, say hello, introduce yourself and tell us what your role is. Wow, good morning Mia, hope all is well with you. So to everybody out there, good morning. Kevin Waring, I'm the Director of Business Development for the Yale Commercial Product Lines of Ovasahabali. Been with the team for just about six years and I've shared that time between the Nord and Rickson brands as well as the Yale team. Happy to be here to have some discussion today. Yeah, we're happy to have you back. I don't know if any of you recall, but Kevin has been on the channel before, so you can go back and check out some of his other interviews. But today we're going to talk about indicators. So Kevin, we're seeing a rise in demand for indicators. What do you think is the cause for that? Yeah, so certainly I've been receiving a lot of requests for these. I think one of the driving factors that we see for this is single-use occupancy bathrooms. And there's multiple reasons for that. And if we look at probably the most fundamental reason, it's a lot more cost advantageous to go ahead and build single-use occupancy restrooms as opposed to having separate gender-specific restrooms out there. And I think we see that across the country. We see that at retail spaces. We see that at restaurants or fast food establishments, convenience stores. So certainly a big uprising that's a popular topic for everybody today. Yeah, it is. As an industry, do you think there's any other driving forces that are gonna increase the need for indicators going forward? Sure, and we look at that across the country and a lot of it's driven by both state and local codes that are out there. And if we look at some states in particular, they're requiring new construction or even tenant improvement projects to include single-occupancy bathrooms. And as part of their code for these single-occupancy bathrooms, they're required to have indicator status locks on it. So we see that, again, both on a state level as well as local jurisdictions are kind of changing that. So it's a big trend and a big demand that's growing out there. And we don't anticipate that changing anytime soon. And as a result, ASA Abloy has dedicated our resources to constantly improve products that we offer and also launch new products that address this topic in multiple spaces and segments across the marketplace. Great, so where else besides restrooms would an indicator be considered for use? You know, and certainly restrooms, I know that's what we've been talking about primarily today is probably the number one most popular topic that's out there, the application for it. But when we think about multiple locations, we think about quiet rooms that you might have where we've been through airports where they have mothers nursing suites there, great application for that. Even into the K through 12 space where you might have a band room that has multiple practice or recording studios in a hallway where they have the shades drawn on the rooms to people, students in their practicing or doing their solo work. Great applications for those conference rooms at hotels. We do many of meetings in these spaces and I can't tell you how often people just open the door and walk in because typically they don't have a window through the door or a light there for people to see who's in there. Or go to dressing rooms. How great is it to not have to look under the stall to see if there's people in there changing if you have that occupancy in there? And we've seen that changing and all over the country right now is you go into the dressing rooms and more and more of them have been outfitted with the indicator lock. So again, it's not just a restroom application but there's some of the spaces that we see occupancy indicators continuing to grow. Yeah, that's a great point. There's been so many times where I've been in these shared spaces that you really just need to know if somebody else is in there. So any other final thoughts you want to share with us today? You know, just that we don't anticipate this as just a trend that's going to go away anytime soon. We see this as a long-term plan. We see this eventually taking precedent in all 50 states where occupancy indicator is going to be required for multiple applications. Again, not just the restrooms. And just want everybody to know ASA Aboy is here to support that initiative and continue to develop our products and expand our product offerings to address this marketplace. That's great. Well, thank you so much for joining us again, Kevin. And I will put some links below for some of the products that ASA Aboy offers. So you can check them out if you're curious. And thanks for watching. Thanks, everybody.