 Welcome to ToffeeTV, it is The Footy Show Daily. We're live here on Patreon. If you've got any comments, thoughts, questions, opinions, get them in. Let us know your thoughts. If you're not watching live, then why aren't you watching live? Well, it might be because you're just in work. A lot of people are going back to work, but if you wanna join us live, or if the option of being live, then join us over on Patreon. The link is in the description. So, yesterday we were in here, and League One and League Two formally decided that their seasons were finished. The teams at the top were promoted, and the teams at the bottom were relegated, and there's gonna be a playoff system. They are using their points per game. Very controversial system, but certainly locally it is meant that Tramio Rovers have been relegated by 0.04, which just seems really, really harsh when you think that they've won the last three games, and they've got a game in hand, going into those last few games. Yeah. Makes no sense, does it, almost. I mean, I understand why, I understand why they've done it, but if you've got a game in hand, and you're on a win and run of three games on the run, and I know that was before we've stopped, but even so, you would like to think that momentum is with you, and you've got that opportunity to turn it round, and to go from thinking, those players will be thinking with nine, 10 games to go, we can get out of this one, a good run now, know what we're doing, got that game in hand, that'll elevate us to here, and it's been taken away from them. They're, you know, they're gone, they're relegated, and that's harsh, it's very, very harsh. Mm-hmm. You know, the league too, they're obviously going to have play-offs to decide who goes up. Do you think that, we spoke about this a couple of months, might be a couple of months, I'm not so sure, not so sure long, I don't know. Do you think that maybe they should have looked at a way of having a play-off system that involved the teams at the bottom of league one, so that it made it a little bit fairer because the teams coming up, they're playing to come up, whereas the teams we've gone down, it's been taken out of their hands, and I just feel like it would have been interesting, because obviously we see in other countries, you've got the likes of Germany, certainly, they have a play-off, the team we think who finishes third from bottom plays, the team who finishes third from top, and they have a two-legged play-off to decide who will be in the Bundesliga. Do you think that maybe something they should have looked at, some different way of looking at it, just considering the circumstances, and an opportunity, because we'll come on in a bit and a lesson what they're doing, but in times like this, why not think out the box a little bit, why not try and maximise the revenue, maximise the exposure on the leagues and make it a little bit fairer, because all I'm seeing from this is, the negative impact, negative PR on the leagues, where I genuinely think they could have been a lot fairer system if they'd used their heads. It's all you go about, logistically, playing those games, though, isn't it? If we're seeing the Premier League and all the testing and everything, it's hard to do the stringing stuff, it's hard to do to get back to coming within a week of it, and there's the stadiums, Premier League stadiums, you know, we've only just had the Messi side derby, then you, you know, confirmed, think of the stadiums that are in league one and league two, you know, with the up-to-stand and this, that and the other. There's a lot of expense going out of it as well. You know, we've got... We've got Ric Parise, you know, just because we've made some final decisions on things, that doesn't mean clubs aren't still going to be safe, you know, we're still going to lose clubs, probably, because of the financial implications, of course. I mean, it's just very... It's very, very difficult to... You see, this was one of the things about cancelling the whole thing and starting again, from back to August would have been that everybody, we didn't finish a season, so it's incomplete, and we go back and start again, because we didn't finish the season, and that was probably the only way, really, that would have appeased everybody, I think, near enough, obviously, people who would have been harsh on, like, to Liverpool, or they've been very harsh on, like, to Leeds and Mesh Braum and other teams, Coventry City and teams like that, but it would have been a way that... The reality of it is there's no fair way to probably do it, and I don't know where financially these teams, I don't think, can play in other competitions, where do you play them, how do you do it, where does that stop? No, no, I just... But it just strikes me that... I mean, Peter Buret would have gone up, they, Dara McCanteen, he's saying, they won seven of their last nine games, and they've got seven of the bottom nine to play, in their last nine, so he's there today, going on and on, we've definitely got up, because, I mean, you can never say that, but he's saying the teams they've been playing are all at the bottom of the league, and they're on a run at seven wins and nine. You're feeling, you're on that roll of winning games, so he's going to feel like it's eight, doesn't he? I just find it... I just find it a bit strange, and I understand why you can't play the games, listen. With the testing that needs to go on, it's far too expensive, you hope what this is about, you know, certainly the women's game, and in Scotland they've made that decision, it's actually cheaper to tell you. It just strikes me as saying that, you know, you still having these play-offs, like, why not, why not, why have play-offs then? Why not just say to the team who finished eighth, or whoever's, you know, predicted to finish eighth with the points per game, why not just say, well, they are up then, why have this play-off? The final's going to be at Wembley? Like, why does it, like, why not, why does it need to be at Wembley? Do you know what I mean? It just doesn't make any sense, and that's what I'm saying. If you've got a book out Wembley, what's the expense of booking out Wembley for a game? You know, and I just find that, I mean, the biggest, the maddest thing in this is, Wicham, who jumped from eighth to third. Yeah. No playing again, just on the points, I think. So it's mad, you've got Sunderland who were above them, you've got, you know, like a just-shed-peatable United. So, it's, it's, you know, listen, you've had to come up with something, you've come up with this, it doesn't seem fair. Yeah. Daily, but what can you do? I fully understand, you know, you've had to come up with an idea, and this is the idea, and I fully understand that's not, I just thought that with those playoffs, that I just thought it could have been some scope just to widen it a little bit somehow, just, I know, listen, you're absolutely right, it's more games, it's more money, it's more grounds. But why not be just, I don't know, why not just try and be a little bit inventive? Why not? I mean, let's just jump to that MLS story while we're talking about it. So the MLS in America is gonna come back and have this tournament of Disney World. So they'd only played two games when the season stopped. They season started at the beginning of March, so they played two games and it stopped. So it's gonna be like a World Cup, isn't it? Essentially, it's gonna be group stages, then knockout stages, then a winner, and the winner's gonna get a Champions League spot next year for their region, which sounds really good for like TV watching. It sounds really clever, and it all being at one place, and obviously being Disney World, and sure they'll use the hotels like the NBA are doing. And the Wide World Sports Facility is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. It was actually one of my little dreams. I always wanted Evan to go there and play in a little pre-season thing. And basically, at the end of the tournament, they will, whatever your wins are, they will translate it to the league, and then the league will start again from August, and will continue to the end and go on to playoffs. And it's basically a quick way of catching up with what they've missed, rather than saying, right, we need to start with me. There's just not enough time in the calendar over there to do that. I certainly compete with other sports and stuff. It's just, and the NFL, it just can't be done. Now, listen, of course, they've got somewhere like Florida, where they can go and it can all be held in one place. But I just thought that's really clever. That's just a way of thinking out the box and doing something a little bit different. And obviously, there is more money in it than there will be in league one and league two. But it's just that innovation that I just think that... I don't know whether league one and league two are missing out on here, and obviously, listen, as you mentioned, there's money is the number one. Yeah, we're in the 26 teams going down to Florida to play. Well, Orlando city, you know what I did there, but 25 others are going down there to play. Yeah, but, you know, in league one, there's 24 teams alone, so you're talking league one and league two. You've got 48 teams, wouldn't you? Yeah, but I'm not talking about all the teams I'm talking about. Why is the cutoff, though? Well, four, bottom four, playoff four. Try your best at the bottom. You've got an opportunity. Or if you're, was any team mathematically already relegated? I don't know. It's the reality. So... I'd have to look. But I would say that the four, and the four, bottom four, and the playoff four would be the teams. And that, to me, would just... There'd be a few extra games, keep them one-legged games and play book out one stadium. And just play them all. Book out one stadium somewhere and just play them all. And do it that way. I just... For me, that just makes a little bit more sense. It's just very, very difficult, I guess, for those clubs. They haven't been training and bringing them back. But the other teams are going to come back in the playoffs anyway? No, no. So it doesn't... It's just four exits. I just think that could have solved a hell of a lot of problems. Well, it's mad anyway, because it's the English Football League, the EFL, but yet the championship are playing their games. A league one and a league two aren't booked for the playoffs. It's all different anyway, isn't it? Whichever kind of way you look. Sorry, you lost us for a moment there, the pitch you went off. I apologise. It's all different because, like you say, the championship are playing and league one and league two aren't playing. So it is all a bit... It's all a bit wishy-washy, but I guess it's unprecedented times. And unprecedented times means that mad things happen, basically, don't they? But that EFL tournament does sound quite interesting, doesn't it? But it sounds really good. It'll certainly be given there a watch like it'll be interesting to see how well they're doing. And I guess it'll throw up some surprises, because it's just a tournament. It'd be good to watch an interesting tournament, to watch over a month, and maybe the way Melissa has been thinking is... Mainly in America, they have obviously in the basketball, the college basketball, they have March Madness, which captivates everybody. You know, it's this tournament over a month. People get their brackets and try and fill them out and predict the winner and all that kind of thing. And I think they're just trying to latch onto that. And that'd be quite interesting moving forward to see... Because it wouldn't surprise me if MLS thought we could do like a cup competition at the end of the year or the beginning or even in the middle of the year to just change it up, just do something a little bit different to get... You know, because, listen, sailing for MLS and American viewers, and the way they have sports, there's a lot of games. And because it goes into a playoff system, it's almost like half or even morals have to feel like they don't even matter in MLS where there's another sport and it can feel slightly different because those sports are useful. If you're a football fan coming from the outside into MLS and you see all these games and it's a bit of a convoluted system, and then it's like, oh, and now we have playoffs. What? So maybe it's almost interesting. It's like, what if they rejig the league and say, well, we're not having playoffs at the end, but we're going to have this tournament in the middle. We're going to almost shoot everybody. The winner of the league would be the playoff system is there because there's no relegations. No, I know. I know understand that. It keeps people going. If you're, you know, I look out for Orlando City, so if you're Orlando City on this year, you're in 10th. Oh, yeah, yeah. Then with five, six, eight games to go and you're looking, you know, there's nothing. We're not going to win the league. We didn't win that cup thing. What's the point? Whereas if you're Orlando City with six games to go or four games to go, you can still get that place in the playoff. The only thing I don't understand with the playoff is, yeah, and it's something I think they need to do. Now they've extended the league and more teams are coming in, is extend the places. It's like the top six in both the East Conference and the West Conference. And yeah, the sixth and the fifth place teams have to play like games against the third and the fourth. The top two go through to automatically to the semis. But if you've had two conferences with eight teams and you could play it, it's just the easier to do it, you know what I mean? It doesn't make it like, someone having to play an extra game. They haven't expanded the way of doing things with the amount of teams that have come in. And that's what I think they need to do. Yeah, whether they just stick to their own divisions and then come in for the playoffs, like you'd find in other places. Because you go out and play like five games for them in the East Conference as well, or you'll play all in teams once, but you'll play like four at home and five away or whatever it is, you know? And that might be fine. I just think the playoff places though should be stretched to eight in both the divisions. And then you've got a final 16 then for the playoffs and you can have one leg or two, just one leg will do, and that's the final. But it's gone to that tournament, it's definitely going to be interesting. And on the back of that, moving on to another thing we've got down. This is what? This is kind of what the Champions League are trying to do in August in Lisbon. Now, because obviously the Champions League final was supposed to be in Istanbul and the Europa League final was in Danx in Poland. And the moving from Istanbul to Lisbon, Lisbon looks like it's going to be the favourite to do this. It's because it's got two big stadiums, isn't it? I mean, the thing with Covid and that, you know, take, he's been far less affected than what Spain has in Portugal. I think it's definitely Spain. But they're looking to move it anyway to Lisbon, so they're going to have an A-team knockout. All play behind closed doors of the two stadiums, one off-games up to the final. So they're going to try to create that little bit of a well-covered territory where all the teams are in the one place. The only stand-out issue at the minute is there's still round of 16 games left, like Manchester City haven't played the second leg against Madrid. And what they're trying to say is they want to play those games in Lisbon as well and get them games played, just a one-off. Obviously because there's just one game left of them. There's four games, is there a thing? There's something like that, that's outstanding, the second legs. Now, what's happening there is you're going to have teams like I don't know whether City have objected, but there will be teams like Man City who'll turn around and go, well, I'm gone. We had to play in the Bernabao. Why can't we play at the Atead and play at the second leg? Do you know what I mean? It's whether people are going to be... I mean, already it's different because no fans are there. Yeah. So whether teams will stick to the guns and go, no, we want to play the second leg in our place or we're not playing, then whether you're A-facival, you don't play here, you're fourth at it because this is where it is, I don't know. The final is the 23rd of August, the Champions League final, that's what they've penciled in. So that'll be interesting. And obviously the Europa League, it looks like it's moving to Germany, so it looks like Germany are going to stage that, doing a similar thing, but again there, I think Wolves have still got a second leg to play in that. So again, it's those teams who haven't played those second legs, are they going to play them in where the tournament is a couple of days a year. So that's going to be interesting, because I think it's that well-cup type thing because I know that they're looking to fill this summer with that kind of tournament, they've missed out on the Euros and they're looking to fill it with that tournament and you might forget their chance here with the Europa League and the Champions League, which will of course fall in the off-season, because we know for the, certainly for English clubs in the Premier League, we know that the Premier League looks like it's going to be back on the 29th of August or 12th of September, they're the two dates, they haven't decided on it yet. The international break would have been in between, but they're not playing that out, you know. So, I mean, I don't know why it couldn't just be the fifth, but apparently the two dates are the 29th or the 12th of September with our season finishing on the 26th of July. So if it's Man City, you ain't getting much of a break, are you? No, you finish the Champions League final on the 23rd of August. If it's the 29th that you restart, you start in a week later, you won't have had a break. Ideally for them. The price of success, I'd say, isn't it? That's just the problem. I mean, you can't just say to Man City, well, we're going to put off the league season for another three weeks. No, no, because they could end up going out to Real Madrid in the first game and you've put it off. So it is the price of success and it will, maybe they will benefit then from the winter break that's in now, obviously, in this country. Man City's case has been finalised, finished today, I believe, with the ban and that will, the result that will be heard in the first half of July, apparently as well, so that's done and dusted. Adam Conroy says, could MLS introduce relegation to add a bit more competition, as I have never understood that about MLS, the fact that there is no relegation. Well, the reason why there's no relegation, Adam, is because it's a paying league. People pay a lot of money to set up franchise teams in it and if you're setting up a team that costs 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 million just to buy in, and someone says to you, well, you could be relegated. It's where you'd be relegated to, because there's no actual pyramid. The only way you could do it is if you add MLS 1 and MLS 2, that would be the only way and I don't really see them doing that either. Then in MLS 2 you'd be, you wouldn't be relegated, would you? No, you wouldn't be relegated from it. You'd be trying to get back up and then what would you be competing for? They've just got to come up with a better way of working all these teams. I actually think it's fine. I think it's fine. But does it stop? No, obviously there's got to be. I think the thing was to get 30 teams, wasn't it? That was Don Garbus thing was to get 30 franchise teams. We've got, obviously there's like a sense of matter in it now and we've got teams, recent teams coming in. Austin's coming in, isn't it? I've seen Miami's in there now as well. St Louis, that in or is that coming in? Miami's coming in. Miami's in. We've had recently, we've had Atlanta coming in. They've expanded it. I think the two divisions, like I said, what I would do. Memphis is about, Memphis is one of them on the sign of coming. So what I, me personally would say, just expand the playoff bit, so it's very clear this is what we do, we do this. That's why Adam, it's money. Look at the money Beckins put in this company and all of his partners. They've just built a stadium and it's not their stadium. It's a temporary stadium before the real stadium. Gary Waters, we do have the US Open Cup tournament, that is our equivalent of the FA Cup. Yeah, fully aware of that Gary. It's actually like the second longest oldest cup competition in the world, isn't it? I think after that. What's bizarre about that is that they just play it like college, like practice, you love it and there's like, they don't play at the stadiums. But then that's not that too similar to art in the early rounds of our FA Cup. Home teams are still playing, they don't play in their own stadium in the early parts and then we do it. No, I know it. I just think that, and Gary, you'll know more than anyone being a sports fan is could they just capture that sort of march madness like getting a fan who isn't a regular fan to watch it, that's what I was saying. I don't mean in terms of like altering, just coming up with a format that, it's like you're trying to get that fanning of someone who isn't either into football or someone who's like a Premier League fan and you just want that munt of like, like you can't be bothered following it all the way from March to December and just having that munt where you go, you know what? I'm going to pick that team. I guess the best way to do it, you could do it is to take up the world wide sport every year. That's what I'm saying. Right, and do it for like you say a month and have games at like two, five, you know, like the World Cup. I don't know how you do it fan wise, but maybe you buy a ticket like for pre-season and you watch the three games for it. So you're not thinking, but if you've done it like that and then maybe it's set it up like a World Cup. Don't you think Gary Ward says Nashville hard in the MLS now, yeah. Don't you think if the Premier League or the League or the Bundesliga could do that for a month, they would. Oh, of course. Exactly. You said to the Premier League, right, this year every team is going to go to America for a month or Asia or whatever they want that market to be in and you said to them, we're going to play a World Cup style tournament over a month. The Premier League would just go, yeah. Of course they would say. They would absolutely love that. I just think it would be very interesting to see what happens at the end of this tournament and just to see if a few people in MLS go that way. That really works. My TV ratings were really good, you know, and it might not have anything to do with how the season finishes and the playoffs might be the same but if they can find a way of getting a month in the middle of the season when everyone's up to speed or a month before, maybe, it's all listen, they'd have to fit it round the calendar because they've got like the Champions League and stuff. But I just I just, but when it's MLS all-star game, it breaks anyway. No, or even if they said, no, but I'm saying, but what they could do is play that tournament and have the all-star game bang in the middle of it all. Oh, you could say as well, just and this could apply to any league, I suppose but for say anything for MLS if you were to, for MLS especially for this, if you were to say right, no, you're saying before, you play you only play teams against your teams in your division. So East only play East and West only play West and you might, only time your meet has had in the playoffs or in this tournament and you would wipe about 15 games off the schedule and if you got rid of them and then you put this tournament in the middle and it was like this and Disney path under it because all the people that come into Disney for a month imagine, imagine, imagine like people going, I'm going on all, like imagine it was always right and ever and ever you went to Florida, we'd be like, just go to Florida for a couple of weeks to watch the blues and then it'd be like, oh, we've got three to the quarters, I'm going to have to stay the next week. That wouldn't be a way to do it, wouldn't it? It'd be amazing. If you called it the Premier League Cup and so 20 teams for three weeks you could do it and just play every three days and it'd be part of the pre-season would be amazing. I know it's probably never going to happen but it would be amazing. But it would be amazing. You don't know because what you don't know is when this tournament's played in Disney's wide world of sports, Premier League are always looking for opportunities, they look and go all in gone. Instead of us just trying to get Liverpool and Man United and Arsenal and then Real Madrid and all that, we can actually get a Cup Competition, Premier League Cup Competition going. What have MLS said? Only the top ten teams get into this tournament. This is just another thing. All the ten are filled with like Premier League teams and the League of teams and German teams and for them it'd be like money making. I like the Premier League Cup I'd better just show. No, I know what I'm saying. From an MLS point of view, Gary Waters will have to see how the Disney tournament goes. It's a good idea though. I think for MLS it's a great idea. It's a great idea. The Premier League No it is, it's just fine the time and the calendar. No it is but then a pre-season. More Man City news. Yeah, Pep's got his number two now. Obviously Miquel Arter left in December to become Arsenal manager. There was talk of like Van Bronco's, wasn't it being the number two? There was talk of Van Bronco's was going to replace Guardiola and then there was talk that Pep, this was his last season he was going to leave but they've appointed one man well, Leo I think he says now, 54 year old. Coached Guardiola actually at the end of his career for the Rados in Mexico. 20 coaching jobs in his career. He was the youngest ever league manager at the age of 29 when he managed Salamanca and he's also managed Real Oviedo and Real Sociedad as well. He's been into Japan he's managed in yesterday I think it was and so he's had a lot of experience. Guardiola really, really trusts him and I guess that's the key thing is and if you're bringing the number two in and I think the good thing is that he's older than Guardiola and therefore sometimes I think when you've got that this is what we spoke of we spoke the other day about Marco Brons as Andy likes to call him and his biggest thing was when he lost his trust that number two who had loads of experience was older than him he's doing very well, family have a big portal the other night as well and look like they might get into your head. He went off and managed them in the summer and Silver went and brought in Lewis Bow Morty didn't have any real experience whereas Guardiola's done he's gone from having a tether who didn't have that experience but he was with them and obviously they've got Brian Kidd and they've got other people around them he's gone and got someone who's got loads of experience and when you see that all or nothing Doc and he has that fella who's a water polo player who's his mate he just goes, you're a nob then he'll have that with this fella but this fella's also a football man so he'll have a couple of people to bounce off and he might well challenge him but Guardiola said he's fantastic and he was a lane so much off of him as a man some of it different isn't he we've seen him at Salag's Vegas and he was always changing up his coaches every three years keeping it fresh, keeping the players on their toes not getting too familiar with everything and making it different and maybe that's what maybe that's what Peps recognised is that hasn't been a guy's season for them in the Premier League in terms of they're obviously not going to win the league so maybe it's time to go from one extreme a young up and coming assistant manager to someone with a bit more experience but you might have a fella now because shit he do are sloppy in games and they are overplaying things and this fella might just come in and go you know what let's just tighten up a little bit let's do this a little bit you know and he might actually and probably will because he's been a manager and seen it and done it he might actually challenge Pep a little bit I'm not saying Arteta did but it's a bit different Arteta was the student and Guardiola was the teacher where this fella it's almost role-versed a little bit all of Guardiola's incredible and done incredible he might have someone who actually was doing that wrong and I guess people like maybe might be good for people like John Stones who may be lost a way a little bit bit of experience isn't it Josh he says in terms of that tournament sounds similar to the GAA All Island format he says that the he says Ulster Leinster, Munster, Narrow Down obviously wants teams are knocked out so he's just very similar to what he's doing it's going to be interesting it's certainly an interesting thing an interesting cup competition it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out and I think a few lights will go off on people's heads when they see it and go yeah we could do that we spoke of this before because obviously they have the International Champions Cup and there's been talk about that because the people who run it saying they're not making any money because clubs are not bringing the players over he said he wants he's had meetings with UEFA and FIFA apparently to make it a real designated tournament so teams have to bring over full squads I don't know maybe that plays into it football is always trying obviously they're always looking for angles that the ultimate goal is to have a super league that's the ultimate goal we know that but things like this fall in line and as I said you're always trying to stimulate the viewer as well the television viewer and always trying to come up with new concepts so it's not just the same beginning the season end of the season so we'll wait and see