 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa now Let's look at the newspapers this morning and see what major stories have made the headlines We'll be starting with the punch newspapers and the big one there is a talking about the apapa gridlock should be on your screen in just a Few seconds. Yes. It says apapa gridlock persists. Legos blames NPA MA and laments losses NPA closes gates to trucks without reasons Some will lose aid says manufacturers urge government to develop ports outside Legos Businesses losing billions of nair to port congestion says the LCCI Nigerians spend 2.33 trillion nair on petrol in 12 months as the NNPC and Also Kogi oil producing status in goose exclusion from 13% derivation is injustice says Zohaneza And the state also Nigerian diplomats assault in Indonesia closed record envoy returns to Jakarta Southern and middle belt alliance tackles any F of our voters claim and 2023 presidency also NMA laments as doctors and health workers flee Nigeria in droves Still on the punch apc will be divided if zones if it zones presidency to north says a corocha or your PDP dismisses party leaders plan against Makhindi and We can also find on the punch headers with guns risk 21 year imprisonment as someone who signs bill Father arrested for impregnating 19-year-old daughter suspect blames devil Presidential panel sells seven-story FRC and Lagos building for 100 million naira On the daily dependent 30 states civil servants face bleak future in retirement 2023 presidency a quarter backs southern governors says Nigeria's unity threatened by tribesmen in politics FG should dialogue with Igbo leaders over iPop Kanu PDP chairmanship host trading as PDP zoning committee decides Thursday sit at home southeast WASSC candidate to retake missed exams Lagos prohibits open cattle grazing as to all who signs bill into law and NPC records crude oil gas sales of 219.75 million dollars in May Covid-19 and IPRD Cuba may commence vaccine clinical trials in Nigeria We have power to sell FG property without Notifying MDAs PIC tells reps security operatives shoot students Protestants suspension of exams in Joss we can vast support to allow states collect VAT that's all right now to the Leadership newspapers northern and southern leaders disagree over 2023 presidency It's Igbo presidency or nothing says or an answer. No north must remain power says northern coalition FNF a panda falls any of its population claim Nigeria Delta activists back southern governors Oshimba Joe's Celebo in 2023 says governor Sule And also Nigeria's unity unshakable. That's from the federal government northern governors Mon May Lafayette And so go to a shuts down telecom network in 14 local government areas Some will lose signs anti-open grazing bill into law and also on the leadership Kaduna Iqiti Anambra Kaibam leading fiscal Transparency says a report. They're finally on the leadership monthly deadline institute directs firms to remit value-added tax to FIRs All right, and then let's also quickly see what we can find on the daily trust newspapers How Boko Haram killed or how Boko Haram crisis killed? 300,000 children in northeast young boys used as suicide bombers many died of malnutrition 1 million others displaced in 12 years attacks on children must stop says UNICEF and an I swap intensifies recruitment army says reps demand reports of assets seized from ex-leaders an NNPC earns 366 billion nair from crude oil product sales in May Sheen by Joe most qualified most qualified rather to succeed Buhari in 2023 says a Nassar our state governor Platoon crossover reject compulsory COVID-19 vaccination. That's all we can find on the daily trust. Good morning to mr. Chris Wando. Thanks for joining us once again. Good morning All right, I think you can start with the conversation on zoning mohan as I says Presidency must come to the southeast the northern coalition is speaking once again about having the numbers to hold the presidency for a lot longer and White must also come to the north and of course there's also governor sully mentioned in the vice president Yamio Shimbaju So let's start off with that I I think it's a struggle, you know, here in Krishnamurti, here in Krishwando this morning, we might be having challenges with the network. So we're going to have to reconnect with Krishwando as a publisher of CKN News and get him to share his views on these stories. The first one, of course, he was speaking about is concerning zoning. I think there's a couple of people who have mentioned as a Northern coalition that say, of course, North has the numbers to hold the presidency for, you know, a lot longer. I think I also saw a story on Baba Med, you know, still speaking about the same zoning controversy. A lot of people would have the same argument that, yes, it is, you know, every section of the country has a right to vie for presidency. But of course, the idea of zoning, you know, really is to ensure that every single person gets a turn, gets a chance at the presidency, the seat of the president. But, you know, it also goes beyond just presidency. Even in states, in local government, there's also that same zoning arrangement where you hear that all this local government has had it for four years. Let's give it to this local government next with the public commentaries and some of all of that. So they always play those internal politics. The Polish parties themselves also play that politics and say, OK, whoever is going to be our national leader, you know, would be from the South or we're from the North and then the president, the person who gets the ticket for president will be from a totally different region. So there's that. Let's bring back Krishwando. Can you hear us now? Yes, I can. All right. Go ahead, please. Yes, as I was saying. So the North expressed me, since Nigerian constitution, that any particular parts of the country that we could represent, we could put a judgment agreement in the Polish party to try to align. I think it has been working effectively. Also, the last administration that brought in good luck did not turn. We are going to have a suddenly died in office. And we're going to have to go back. And also now run again as a candidate of the PDP from the South. But now moving forward. We believe we need to know that definitely our threat to come to play, which is why the people of the South believe that it is the atonement. If you can recall, since in Namda, Ziki way in the first public, no person from the South is a fashion help. They would make it to the president. And I just see that this is the period for the South to get the president. Good enough, the government of the South, the federal government, that they are the same between in a good state. Also can vast that the president should come to the South. Although they were not specific on which part of the South it should come to. So it is not going to be an easy task. Just for the South is to sit down and feel that the president will just be put on their laps or just be given a term like that. It means a lot of politics has to be done. A lot of negotiations have to be done. A lot of consultation has to be done with other regions. And so that whatever candidates are bringing forward, they can be accessible to all other regions. Anything short of that, sorry, on the part of the South is. So they have to make sure that they do, they consult widely, especially within the few men political parties, the PDP and the APC at its where. On the way to do that and be able to get the confidence of all other parts of the country, then it should be a mirage of an issue that they cannot just be bragging about. It is specific, it's about numbers and it's also about negotiations. But if you just feel that you sit down and say, oh, it is our right, it is our time to get the president in KTKT, my brother is under arrest and that will not work. Mr. Awando, I want you to also speak on the angle of dishonesty with some of all of this. Two points that I'm going to make is, in a couple of years back, when some of all the elections, or when some of these decisions were made, there were certain statements that you would hear back then, that this person would run and then it would move to some place because of that we need your support. And it was one of the things that the politicians used to gather support for themselves. But we always see that a year or two to the election, some of all those agreements are thrown out the window. There is that and also the numbers that the Northern Coalition claims to have. Do you think it's also unfair that the middle belt seems to be dragged into the north when these conversations are had and their numbers are pulled together with the northern numbers and also completely ignoring the fact that there's many, many Christian, I believe communities in northern Nigeria, that seem to all just be grouped together and called the north. Yes, I agree with you. Let me take you back to 1999. When Abbas Angel won the presidency in 1999, the fact was there's no vote for which to go on Abbas Angel. The fact was there's no support for Abbas Angel, but he won. He won with the vote of the north and some other parts of the south. That is on records. Yeah, secondly also, as you rightly said, yes, he's not had the number. But even at that, you also realize that when Abdullah won the election that was announced against Pufa, the people of the north voted heavily for Abdullah, even against their own son, who was a topa, the candidate of the NRC then, Abdullah was obviously the, and Abdullah was supposed to be whom, until that election was announced by Ibrahim Babangetani. What I might say in essence, there's a possibility for this kind of community, as I said earlier on, where if you're able to converse, your policies properly and be able to negotiate properly, even if not intended that it's not good for candidates of the south, then I want to say that yes, there are reasons in the north, especially some parts, the major part of the north, especially the middle part, and even the cardinal that I mentioned. So the tendency also is for them that they met, who are also good for a candidate from the south of Christian, such a place. The only or irrespective of whether the north is a bigger or the part, all address them, anybody that imagines as a presidential candidate what is, but we're able to make sure that all, that every part of the session of this country is carried along. Let me give you a scenario. There is also the tendency that the way it is going down, it's most likely that the presidential candidate will come from the north and probably the vice president from the south. That will be a great change in the most to come. That is virtually possible because the condition of the, if he's coming up in October for their approach, we're determining where they're going to send the president. If the chairman of the party comes from the south, that means that the presidential candidate will come from the north. Let's see how the sponsors are as it goes. Okay, many other stories across the newspapers. I want us to look at the one on the daily independence this morning. First of all, it talks about 30 state civil servants who are facing a bleak future in retirement. And the story in detail mentioned that since the Pension Reform Act of 2004, many states are yet to comply. And that means that the civil servants of this state face an uncertain future regarding what their pensions will be like. And we've seen time and time again Nigerian pensioners queuing up on the stories on the daily independence again, queuing up in front of certain offices in their state, asking for their pension to be paid. Since 2014 now, over 30 states yet to comply. Which way? Which way Nigeria? You remember the music by one of Nigerian legends? So no question. The music was which way Nigeria? Which way to go? I love my Pondaland. I want you to read that as a little bit. The song of every Nigerian as a machine. But the problem is that our social government at both the state and at the national level has paid me service to pension people. I remember in those days in Naguja, if you go to a place like zone 3, because I used to be a pension office or I didn't have a military officer. Any day you passed that area, you used to see them. All the people walking around, so we have, they just came back from their very own state and the sleeping house like some four weeks. You're for them to regularize for their pension to be paid. I think that as we do back then, they are able to try to get their own house together. But the issue that there is so much corruption going on in all the pension institutions. Don't forget that a particular man that was the mayor, that was appointed as the chairman of the pension, what do you call it now? I can't remember what that was called. Instead of making sure that pensions are paid, we must be an imbecile, decent and brilliant of mayor, that we are made professional. And at the end of this year, because this is a runaway, the John Deere, and it was reported that he was arrested in Nishio, thereabouts, and brought back to Nishio, so that has been the problem. The issue we have is that most people are paying me service. This is their entitlement. This is the instrument of this work out. They will leave for a little bit, when they are supposed to read the future of their network, and nothing is being done. It goes back on street, and it becomes very difficult. But you see these government officials, government officials, and the rest of them, even once they leave work, they put so much for their pension. Even when they are not pensioned, when they are not even retired, this government has a government. And most of the national assembly to become senators, and what have you, and continue to collect the salary here, and also collect the pension. So I think something that has to be done. What I believe that, that might be if the federal government and national assembly can enact a law, where this money can be deducted from source, directly from source, and paid directly to be pensioned here. I don't know how that can be done. Instead of just making a mistake of the government and the federal government to handle the issue of pension, most of them die for their pension. And it's not a problem that a lot of people just do that. And that is what we find out in Nigeria. You can also quickly share on the legislative governor signing the anti-open grazing bill yesterday. He has, of course, been commended for a few quarters. But quickly share your thoughts on how that is going across the southern states. Well, Governor, the agreement of the southern governor at the meeting that they held, I think it was in the government that they held the meeting. And it was agreed that open the bridge to be banned in the whole of the south. And I think, I don't forget when those states have done that and from other states, and from other states, but my own challenge, despite agreement by the southern governors, some states' governors have been signing that bill. And I don't know why they are doing that. With the governor, he must say that it's not going to be part of it. And then some other states are not going to do that. I think this is the way to go. The related piece we are having in Nigeria was due to the signing of the open grazing law. Before then, you could remember that people were being slaughtered on the daily business in dangerous states. That the government just said that the only way out of this problem is signing that open grazing bill into law. And what we did, that could be reduced, not to say it reduced practically, but I hope I am not of the stuff I am trying to do, is to be able to prevent that from happening in the south. It was already happening in a two-state, non-dose state, and other parts, even in a country state. There are people who were killed by so-called Pula Mihez men. So that is why I commend Governor Samu Lu for signing that. The issue of the open grazing law is also in progress. But the government has signed that and some other states have also to reduce it. So I commend Governor Samu Lu for that issue. Also on the Daily Trust newspaper, the headline there is about a report by UNICEF that the Bokorama crisis has killed about 300,000 children in northeast Nigeria have displaced many more and have caused a mental health crisis for over 5,000 children. This is also as the army released a report saying that ISWAP has intensified recruitment of jobless youth in northern Nigeria. When we look at attacks against children, Mr. Awando, does there really seem to be enough effort on the part of the government and the army to stop this situation? I would say that it's quite unfortunate. Let's look at it from the point that there are some countries of the world that have a population of just less than 5 million people. They can do a global. There are some countries that are just less than 5 million. Just many countries are not up to 10 million. Then the provides that on 300,000 people being killed in that particular country. That is a high rate of fatality. So, if you kill 300,000 people or children in that country, that means that it's close to about 10 to 15 percent of that population and eliminated. But here, we use this service to solve these issues. Probably because of our population of over 200 million, probably because of the sensitivity of our leaders who don't see anything wrong in what is going on. Probably also the level of leadership of the country, as well as our security against the homelessness plus our sense of continuity in tackling this issue. Feeling of children, that is in the north, 300,000 is not, we are not talking of animals there. We are not talking of chickens. We are not talking of goats. We are not talking of cows. We are talking of future leaders, not of people. One of those kids could have been a government. I can assure you. One of them could have ended up becoming the president. One of them could have been one who performed up with the solution to prompt them that Nigeria is foreign secrecy. They were killed. And some of them are still in the Georgia. Some of them are in the forest. They did not. Most of the children in the north cannot go to school. So, that shows the level of animal farm. Nigeria does not talk of animal farm. We are respected of human lives, don't think you can't any longer. So, it is that opportunity. I hope that the president comments we see that statistic. And the secretary of justice also we see that statistic. I can assure you that tomorrow, we will have very additional requirements. In fact, we should be aware of the UNICEF reports that they published anyway about the crisis. We will talk about kids. Let's move to the South East, where there's a story of the papers saying that kids over there would have to retake their West African senior school certificate examinations that they missed because of the citatome order by the IPOB. Share your views on that one. The IPOB has continuously said that they have canceled the citatome order, yet people stay at home on Mondays. You know, and of course this obviously is affecting business and affecting education. Personally, I was released. Let's say I'm from the Southeast and on the behalf of the people of the Southeast, I would say thank you very much to Waiye for that decision. We big thank you to Waiye, we are very grateful. I've been one of those that have been very, very worried about the disruption of this ongoing exam by so-called unknown gunmen on gunmen unknown, whatever you call it. The fact remains that education is key and if the children have missed this examinations, you take them another one year before they can be able to write an exam again. So the action of Waiye from this issue is very, very commendable. And it's a warning to those that are talking at the end of insecurity in the Southeast. So we also realize before that I thought I've come to say that they are not behind this case that they have cancelled the sit-at-home direct issues in their own and that they are not part of it. The question is actually, if I thought that initially they mocked with that direct issue, they are no longer interested in that and they have stopped that and they should go about their business on Mondays. Then why are the people of this country not coming in? I've come down to leadership, I've always said. If leaders see the right thing and assure the people and make sure that their lands are properly achieved, there are people who have to complain or forget that this has to be where they come from and they are attacked and some very good have been done in recent times by people. This is where the security system of their game who are those there? This I thought have come as categorically to say that they are not part of it. Then I believe the DSS, that is the top of the DSS. DSS, the spy agency of this country supposed to do DSB division. This is not just about the military. Yes, the army, the police are there to secure measure that people are not equal. But the DSS should be going through the situation and find out who are those behind it and who are those trying to make sure that they are arrested. If we can do that, then the issue of the struggle, some of them have not already tried to do something. So we have not came back to last week, walking down the streets of Anambra asking people to come and their lands are protected. Is that enough? Okay, Mr. Wando, I want us to also look at the story about COVID-19. On the Daily Independence, there's a story here that says the Nigerian Institute of Pharmaceutical Research, researchers and Kuba are collaborating to conduct clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines in Nigeria later in the next few months. So while that's going on, while there's about to be a collaboration between Nigeria and Kuba for clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines, and we see a story on the Daily Trust that says that cross river and river states reject compulsory COVID-19 vaccine, even though Edo, Ondo and Oshun states have made a compulsory for civil servants in their own states. But this one here, it is the Cross River State Commissioner for Health. Dr. Beta-Edu here that's saying that there is no need to make the COVID-19 vaccination compulsory for citizens and they don't need to impose it. And in Plata State, the same thing, the State Commissioner for Information and Communication really said the same thing. So how do we balance this? International collaboration for COVID clinical trials, some states making a compulsion, others saying it wasn't necessary. The first part of the question on issue of clinical trials, that is good. I've always been one of those that believe that there is need for us to domesticate the issue of COVID-19 vaccine equals the 19 vaccine. This is a policy for handouts from nations of the world, India, United States, United Kingdom and other western countries for us to have those vaccines. If they don't tell you to use them, that's not to be kept apart. I don't think we will have up to 60 million or more than 50 million vaccines through the period of this pandemic. Initially, it was three billion other vaccines, such place of what that was supposed to be. We're talking of a population of over 200 million. That means we are on that basis. And I don't know if I'm sure you must be hearing what the news are making around that. If you are going to pass to some parts of the world, I don't want to be specific now, they say that part of the vaccination that you had there, and they are not accepted in this country. I don't know whether the President, Minister of Health and the regular agencies have come out to be able to debunk that. And we need to hear from them on that. That has been proven that we go to that country and we've taken the vaccine manager. It is not acceptable. We know you have to take another one. We are back to the question on the issue of some space, saying that there cannot be a put-up. It is a fact to do that. Every state has a right to determine what to do. But what I want to say is that nothing could take their health, personally, not becoming a personal issue. If you think there's a need for you to get the vaccine, get it. I have taken my, I have taken the two jobs and the people that are still doing the necessary things I need to do, social distancing, washing my hands, it's the first matter. It is your life. It is not the life of the state governor. It is not the life of the state governor. It is your life. If anything happens to you, the super governor or the state governor that has no vaccine, that has no COVID, that has no need to shut down and they're supposed to get it. We know you're needing a vaccine. You will die. So my own is that people should take their health personally. That's what I'm doing. And you go and get it. And that's the way to go. All right, thank you very much. As always on Tuesdays for joining us and for being a part of the discussion this morning. Yes, and I do agree with you. We need to take responsibility for our own lives because the ultimate decision really is up to you. Thank you very much again, Mr. Wendu. Have a great day. I think people are doing with me and do have a nice day. All right.