 This here is Dave Rubin and Michael Knowles and Dave Rubin mind you This is an individual who used to be a staunch atheist. He might have even identified as an anti-theist I'm not entirely sure about that, but now of course because he's a grifter. He did a complete 180 and Now he is going to talk about how atheism secularism To be exact is not working. Let's listen sitting in a room with you and clavin and Shapiro Do you remember Knowles a few years back when we first started doing shows together and I said to you? I will become the furthest right of all of you people you people that's what I was calling you conservative I was talking about I love how like He's basically tacitly admitting that he's grifting here Because what does that even mean like for me to say I will become the furthest left or the furthest right I can't I can't project where I'll be in a couple of years. I mean politics It's this ongoing process where you learn more you evolve you adapt with new information So for him to just say I'm gonna be the furthest right out of everyone here. That just tells me that he's grifting I mean, he's basically admitting it. This is extremely embarrassing, but he has no shame I was sitting in a room with you and clavin and she appeared everything else because I know what this thing is I was in it and and that's why I think you're so interesting at the moment because we've really Sort of met somewhere here that I think represents what the future of the right will be you go into the book you you also talk a bit about religion and atheism and you talk about John Locke and his feelings towards atheism and I'm I'm with you there, too. This this secular Purely sec. I'm with you there, too Killer thing that we seem to be doing at the moment. It ain't working, huh? If this purely secular thing that we seem to be doing at the moment It ain't working except secularism Dave if you'll recall is precisely what led to you getting the right to marry It's not the evangelical Christian friends that you have now that fought for your right to marry your husband It's actually the secular folks So it's really weird for somebody to be making this claim when secular secularism is Why we live in a society that is as gallant egalitarian as it is today. It's not like these Fundies who are pushing for this shit. It's secular people. So for him to say this it it's so stupid and devoid of any self-awareness because you know in the event the secular people didn't stand up and fight for the right of LGBTQ plus people then you know he Again, he wouldn't be where he is today again This is a former atheist once you become an atheist after you were a Christian Like there's no going back, right? I think that you can convert and this is a generalization But you can convert from being a Christian to an atheist Because you you you read the Bible you you know you look at the facts and and you begin to realize how ridiculous the Bible is But like to then Unlearn all of that to unring that bell put the cat back in the bag. It doesn't really make sense to me logically how you do that Yeah, even evangelicals make up 12% of the USA and 70% of right political identity Wow, that's from James of the internet or from the internet. Yeah, that's that's really interesting That's really interesting. You got a fight for your right to monotheistic nation party. Yeah. Yeah So Dave Rubin, I mean he continues to embarrass himself and the dude has absolutely no Core political Ideology, he doesn't he doesn't care like for me I feel like the driving force behind my politics and my political identity Ultimately is humanism me trying to find ways to improve the lives of human beings not through some sort of like sorcery or Godly mechanism because I don't think that that actually works because there's no evidence for that but through through government make people Live better lives give them housing education health care, but for him I mean, it's just hey, what can I say to appease my right wing viewers and it's shameful