 Welcome to Mac geek gab episode 918 for Tuesday peak performance day March 8th 2022. Oh Yeah, I really what was here? Why is the music not playing? It would be okay. I don't know why I wouldn't have played told you three times Sorry, I'm I'm you you guys because you you tend to make noise in the background while I'm doing the intro of the show So I didn't hear what you were saying so I will do this one more time The people on the stream heard you. I've allowed a video stream heard you but not me All right, here we go one more time Mac geek gab episode 918 for Tuesday peak performance day March 8th 2022 Folks and welcome to Mac geek gab the show where you usually send in your questions your tips your cool stuff found And we usually answer your questions and share your tips and cool stuff found today a special second episode for the week We are going to do something a little different because it is The day after which or the the hour after which we finished watching apples peak performance event We have some thoughts and context and things to share And so that is what we will do today We do have a sponsor for this episode that is I'm amazing We're code MGG 30 at I amazing comm will save you 30 percent through the end of the month We'll talk more in depth about why you're gonna want to do that a little bit later here on the show for now Here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton and here in Fairfowl, Connecticut. This is John of Braun and Here in Lee, New Hampshire pilot Pete. Thanks for having me chance. I'm absolutely. I'm glad we're all able to be here for this This is it's a good little conversation for us to have so The apple had their peak performance event which you know with Pee Eek performance I I Suppose that's because we get performance and a display from them that we can peak at although at a 27-inch display Hopefully you're close. Yeah, I'm just gonna scratch my head over that. I think it I think it's the display I mean, okay, that's I think that's it right. What else are you gonna be peaking at right? So unless it's the old ultra thing, but we'll talk about that later That's different the CIA so we're not supposed to what's that Pete? Sorry a long time. It's a double. Yes for sure Yes, it's like the French. It's it's like they have a different word for everything. That's right So what was the most compelling or newest thing gentlemen, I I'm all for the the Mac studio. I mean, I think that's the yes the big news of the day and I'm I'm I'm eager like So I have lots of thoughts Speechless clearly Let's look at it for what it is on its own, right? You know, it it's the it's the there's lots of things it has been called. It is about the Footprint of a Mac mini and To maybe three of them stacked on top of each other I don't I don't have one to compare that was my initial thought when I saw it and I've already seen some people call a chunky Mac mini Because yeah, it was like they put like two on top of each other and it's like why is it so huge? Yeah, my wife called it the Mac medium. So But it's shorter than the Mac Pro right in that about the same footprint as the Mac Pro now the new one The new one five years ago. Yeah, well, that's right. That's another interesting thing to talk about is yes Mac Pro Yeah, it's It's an it's an interesting thing and it they've created a device with lots of Expandability right on the on the back of it. It's got four Thunderbolt four ports 10 gig ethernet to USB a ports HDMI Pro audio Headphone output and then inside it's got Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5 on the front of it. It has two ports with a USB-C shape and an SD XC slot Depending on the processor that you get and we'll talk about the processors in a little bit here you either get two 10 gig USB-C ports or Two 40 gig Thunderbolt four ports on the front of it again. It depends on which Processor you use and we'll talk about that a little bit because Apple sort of release We're are mostly equivalent to even the Mac mini that I have But there's a few more which is great because you know Having more ports is great And of course the as you pointed out the the Wi-Fi 6 and the and the new Bluetooth so they upgraded the wireless capabilities, which is Which is great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I like this for what it is Like it can go up to again depending on the the CPU either 64 or 128 gigs. Yes, I noted that 128 gigs. Yeah, so they're acknowledging that there are people out there that for whatever reason need more Then Apple has offered in their past machines So that that you can you can get 64 gigs in a in an M1 max Mac MacBook Pro, right? I mean, I think it's the same chip. So I would I would assume That my memory is correct on that someone in the chat room at live.macicab.com will will correct me if I'm if I'm wrong Yeah, and what else up to a 8 terabyte SSD though I think you can get that if you have the cash Yeah, you can currently get that in most Macs. It's 7 gigabyte 7.1 gigabytes per second. Holy yeah. Yeah, right Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it like so this is an interesting machine but where it got really interesting for me is what they were comparing it to and The M1 so there's two processors in this thing the M1 max version of it Which is we'll call the baseline which it's it's an interesting place to start Is they were saying is 3.4 times faster than the fastest? 27 inch iMac and That sort of made me a little sad because what they were telegraphing is This is the replacement for the 27 inch iMac that is not coming right there. There is no 27 inch iMac coming the M the M1 Ultra chip which Will sort of get into they compared so maybe there's hope for the iMac because they compared the M1 Ultra chip and Saying it was 80% faster than the fastest Mac Pro, but then at the end of the event they And I want to get the quote right. They said Mac Pro is for another day So there is a Mac Pro coming for sure Or at least that's the plan. I mean, you know Apple can change the plans But I think the I think the the Mac Sorry the 27 inch iMac this is the replacement for it which which is kind of a shame They were talking about you know how it doesn't take up much space and yada yada yada Well my iMac if I have a 27 inch iMac in my studio Which it turns out I do and if I want to replace it with a M1 based machine, which also it turns out I do I now need to add this this Mac mini sized thing to my desktop in my studio Which I do not have to add because I have an iMac in front of me So that made me a little sad But you know, that's how these things go it's it's life. Yeah Yeah, there's one thing that made me sad, Dave. What's that? Um 39 99 that's a bit rich for Put down right. The press is me Not just sad Yeah, but but you're comparing I mean you're comparing the mac the the m1 ultra Price right like the Um, I'm looking through my notes here The well, let me look at my actual notes because that's what's gonna get me the it was 1999 for the max Yeah, it's 39 99 for the ultra 30. I thought it was 34 99 for the ultra I wrote 39 99. I could okay. I could be incorrect Yeah, I mean 99 for the display which is another discussion in a minute. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, exactly Interesting, Dave. I gotta say I think I disagree on the on the 27 inch iMac only because this thing smokes the pro And if they're gonna do another pro really there's gotta be something for the This is a prosumer actually more of a professional model. I think I agree, but I think the 24 inch iMac is is apple's plan for the iMac. I think so I mean, what do I know like I I know I've told you more than I know Yeah, so wow, this is such a smoke. No, you're right. You're right. Yeah, so I have my data wrong So the m1 max Will start at 1999 and the ultra at 39 99. So you're right 1999 isn't that's doing reasonable. No, it's it's not it. It's a I mean, it's certainly not cheap It's the my problem with it is that it is more Mac than I need in this studio agreed Right. I mean like let's face it. But so it here's the problem Arguably so is an m1 Mac mini other than maybe maybe the ram, right? I might want more than the 16 gigs of ram I can get in an m1 mini and so the only way to get a desktop machine with more than 16 gigs of ram Today or friday arriving on the 18th, right? You order friday arrives on the 18th Begins arriving on the 18th The only way to do that is to to buy one of these These new Mac studios So like it you're right Pete. It does leave there's a middle ground because I want an m1 based mac essentially an m1 based mac mini that has more than 16 gigs of ram and 27 inch apple, you know 27 inch 5k display and like There there is no way to do that right now and but the thing is Would a would a regular m1 mini with 16 gigs of ram be enough for someone like me in the studio? And the answer is, you know what probs? Yeah probs. Well, that's what I'm running though. I'm on intel, but yeah, you're not out No, I was just gonna say that's not even close to what you're running, right? Like yeah Yeah, because I mean I look the machine I have in the studio here is It's the 27 inch 2019 eight core i9 You know iMac and Even with turbo boost switcher pro enabled to disable turbo boost You know, I'm running it 22 percent of my cpu right now while we're doing the show with video and I'm recording audio At least I hope I am and you know all that good stuff So like it's fine. It doesn't max out. I just I don't know. Maybe I'm Maybe I'm overthinking this. Hey, we've met right So Yeah, it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting thing I don't know. I but I like I like this But I'm not sure I'm jonesen for the machine. I just couldn't justify it Right Right. Yes. I'm you can hear like I'm super torn on this and this is why we do these episodes right away afterwards because it's It's it certainly for me and I think for all three of us. It's it's part of how we process You know, well, you know, I mean dave. I was impressed many years ago I was invited by one of the listeners when I happened to be on an LA layover to go out and tour the studios and Uh, and he is we got some of the backstage access. I watched them Editing television shows for network broadcast on a mac pro I'm like, you know, that's that's their machine their go-to machine and this thing now smokes that it's like, oh my gosh the But but but I understand why they call it studio So I don't know if we mentioned this but the thing is this thing can support not one not two not three But four external displays, which I don't think any other mac can currently do I thought it was so it's really meant for it's really meant for People that are doing as they showed in the videos like, you know video work and you know high Yeah, high bandwidth type of work As dave said, I don't think it's meant for You know, like a podcast rig, you know, it's it's way overkill for something like that, right? No, it's not I gotta have one Yeah, well and but I do more than that here, right? I mean, I not only do we do a video podcast where I do some video editing I you know for those of you that don't know we do pre-record all of our ads and I put video into those now I mean, it's a very compared to what 99 of people who say they do video editing do what I do is very simple But you know, it's nice to have speed and all of that to do it. I also run real-time Recordings here multi-track stuff and that absolutely uses you know cpu and all the The i o bandwidth right to to be able to keep up with all of that So, I mean there is do I need four monitors in here? No, I need two, right? And and that's more than enough or that is enough. I don't want to say it's more than enough for me But like there there is a middle ground that arguably isn't being served and And and we are arguing over whether it will be served. We don't know, you know, but yeah, yeah It is a sweet little machine though. I like I like where Apple's going with this it it you know the modularity of it I get it. They want to give people flexibility like you said John, right you can have four You know of these Studio displays which we'll talk about in a minute plus a 4k display connected to the max studio That's amazing, but you don't have to you're not forced to to buy any of those, right? You can connect this thing to whatever you want And and so it gives you that flexibility, which is kind of nice It you know, it just it just means if you're replacing that 27 inch iMac you now have to buy a display like so Yeah I don't know. It's interesting Are you uh, so I i'm a I will I will Ask my question, but I will answer it first I think i'm about 50 50 on whether i'm gonna pick one of these things up I probably will wait until they go on refurb to make my final decision And and we'll see how it goes from there. How about how about you john or p john? um personally Excuse me. I think my next machine For the pod track podcast rig is going to be an m1 Mac mini okay Because right now I have the intel one. I mean it performs well. I'm looking right now. I'm at 13 percent CPU 20 percent GPU so this machine even though it's a 2018 with you know, plenty of uh ssd and ram Does what I needed to do and I do it for gaming sometimes too and and it performs well enough sure gaming that I do so You know, I mean the thing is do I need it? No. Do I want it? Maybe But I'd like to dust this settled because you know m1 there's still some Weirdness Not really not a lot of that dust has settled. Yeah yeah How about you peep? Yeah, well I A little history I I had the 2019 16 inch MacBook pro Okay, and then I saw the performance of the m1 MacBook pro and I went down to the actually down to the 13 inch and I never thought I'd go that small with a portable again My current needs are now that I really can't justify this studio machine I would love to have one can't justify it But I could be retiring in the next three to five years I guarantee something along those lines is going to be Pete's retirement present to himself that that's a machine Yep, that you know with that kind when you're on the road last I can totally see that. Yeah I mean just off the video processing. That's what I think because I I shoot a lot of uh 4k and 5k video with the drone and What a pleasure it would be to crunch all that down with with a machine like that Totally. Yeah. Yeah, totally. No, that that makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah All right, so let's talk about the m1 ultra the the chip that is in the higher end of of these of these two Options for the max studio and right now the the high end max studio is the only Apple device where you can choose to get this m1 ultra chip You can choose the m1 max for the the low end Low end air quotes. That's a low bar. Yeah And then the m1 ultra for the high end. What's interesting though. Is it really? as apple explained it to us The m1 ultra is really two m1 max chips That are linked together via some high bandwidth bridge that they built into the m1 max and didn't tell anybody about Ultra fusion of that two and a half terabytes per second You beat me to a peep because I made that I made a note that I too so they're like normally connecting processors can Brewing your day if you don't do it right, but it sounds like they did it right and that it's you know Very high bandwidth between the two of them. Yeah, so it's actually pretty clever It's really clever. I I like it. Yeah, it's super smart and and that's how we go up to That 128 gigs of ram in this thing Right, right because we have Two m1 max chips that both get to do their full thing One thing I I I really liked about what apple said with this is To software It looks like one chip and That right like that's super smart of them to to do that because It allows all the apps that have already been written to just run on it and apple takes care of You know spreading it around on the on the various chips. So I like this and this keeps uh, is it morse law? Roughly every 18 months double. Is that the name of it? That's true We haven't talked about morse law in a long time. It was gordon more the the co-founder of intel Said that yeah every 18 months the processing power would would double That was true effectively ish Up until we started Yeah, well when we switched from just speeding up Single core cpu's and started going wide with multi core cpu's right like that that was the change to that was like Yeah, we're not gonna because there was a massive heat problem the the faster you made it Right. So it was way better way more efficient to go wide with it Of course that that was a big change from an arc a software architecture standpoint We're because you weren't just writing for one chip anymore You now did have to write in a multi threaded way and and all that right john Yes, um I would say intel led the charge with the the whole multi core thing which i'm sure You know they were working on their labs for a while, but yeah as you pointed out there were thermal and other challenges, but yeah um Depending on the type of purgaring that you do. Yes um You may have to manage threads yourself and that can get um Complex absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I mean the os can handle some of that work But if you want to write a really efficient application, then you probably want to manage The threads and the processes with each core taking up a thread again. There are some Uh tools and all that that do that for you, but if you want peak performance Nicely done sure Good ching mr. Ron. I gotta say actually most of the stuff that I did was lower level embedded work and Multi threading wasn't Really a smart thing to do if you wanted to maintain control of the system and make it Reliable that makes sense. Yeah for that kind of stuff. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah So, yeah, it you know, it'll it'll the uh the ultra will do up to 128 gigs a unified memory which again As we've talked about with other iterations of apple silicon m1 means that you get um Uh, you get you the ram is is shared the memory is shared between the gpu and the and the cpu So it doesn't have to shift data back and forth. It just the both chips can can take a look at the The memory as they choose Which makes things way more efficient because you don't have to send stuff across the bus From the cpu to the gpu for the gpu to them process and then send back and that sort of thing um with that, you know 20 cores on the cpu 16 uh What they call power cores, right and then high performance cores, sorry And then four high efficiency cores. That's on the ultra. So again, it's you know, it's the 10 core cpu of the m1 max doubled As much as one might expect So i'm a 64 core gpu, which is insane. Correct. Why would you need that much? Well, some people do My question is to either of you and you you may not have the answer then but the lack of power that this thing uses How are they doing that? All right, is it is it magic incantations? Is it, you know, what is it that they're doing? It's engineering. It's all the mk ultra. They took wait. No, no, no way. That's not it. Yeah, yeah Um, yeah, but what what engineering I guess is what i'm asking What what has they changed with this m1 coming off of the of the intel chips and going to this? I mean, it's you know a billion transistors here a billion transistors there pretty soon You're talking about real computing power to paraphrase ever at thurkson But sorry i'm old No, no, I mean the engineering. It's amazing. I think this was the intent of um Intel's turbo boost was if I don't need to consume power I'm going to go into a low maintenance mode But if I need the juice then i'm going to ramp it up and I think apple pretty much I won't I won't say I say they were inspired by that but um Well, they they they did it a different way right there. They they put literally You know these high efficiency cores versus the power cores and and so like if you if you have an m1 mac You can watch and it was way easier when I had that m1 pro Uh macbook pro which i've since given to my son So i'm back to an m1 which has an equal number of high efficient high efficiency and high performance course It has four of each whereas the m1 pro I had two of of one and eight of the other six of the other I can't remember off the top of my head somebody in the chat room will correct me Uh, but it was super easy with i-stap menus when I only had two high efficiency cores to see which ones were being used for Most operations and most of the time it was two cores that were being used so For you know, I would say 90 of what I did I was just using the high efficiency cores and then you know When I launched something that was it was going to take like for whatever reason launching pixelmator pro The launch of it choose up every bit of cpu power I could possibly have which I suppose is good, you know Like it's gonna do what it needs to do and get launched I don't know what it's doing but it you know There's a few seconds of just peak thing and I would see the high performance cores You know light up and then and then they they too would slow down Unless I did something, you know like a machine learning Image resizing or whatever and then everybody would light up again But I think I think apple solved that problem a different way than intel instead of using turbo boost They were just like what we're just going to put Different doors for no, I agree. They architected the chip to have these Different sections that had explicit Uses and exactly kind of figures it out. It's like oh well. I don't need to Use the high performance. I'll use the the windy one. Yeah and and I think this was designed for iphone at first right iphone and ipad because You know like battery life is paramount on on mobile devices. So like yeah Like like let's prioritize these high efficiency things as much as we can And then only use the other ones to to preserve user experience, right like that Yeah, because I mean even my m1 macbook pro is the first Truly living up to its battery life. It's like, oh my gosh This thing goes all stinking day. It's not even close to being done Yeah, it's crazy getting 15 plus hours out of a laptop and like yeah, it's amazing. I love it. It's great. Yeah All right, we have The studio display an iphone an ipad Maybe even some apple tv stuff and some other things that we may have noticed during the event there, but So we'll talk about those because i'm eager to talk about this studio display my my feelings on it in the last Two hours have have run a complete 180 that I would call it even a 360. I don't know but We'll talk about that in a minute the next thing if it works for You mr. Braun is I would love to talk about our sponsor me too. All right. Hey, look, you know I'm amazing one of our favorite apps here We talk about it all the time and that's because I'm amazing is the swiss army knife of ios device management This is a desktop app for mac os and windows Which lets you take control of your ios data. You can make time machine style wireless backups You can easily transfer documents media and content But also dig into things like system files. 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So the same display that you would get in an iMac effectively, right at 27 inch iMac The effectively the same display that you'd get from lg Uh, it was their 5k display plus apple added a bunch of things to justify the 15 The $1,599 price tag on this thing uh, the things they added uh A 12 megapixel camera that supports center stage a Six speaker sound system That somehow supports spatial audio So okay three usbc ports for Device connectivity and a thunderbolt port for upstream connectivity to your mac If you happen to connect it to a laptop that thunderbolt port also provides 96 watts of power for charging So you get one cable to plug in to rule them all I wish steve jobs could have lived to see the the usbc world with power delivery because like he And and the and and and at his urging the engineering teams at apple worked super hard to create You know the the whole fiasco that that they created with the whole apple displays to have just the one power cable And now it's just part and parcel of pretty much everything that exists. So Uh, he definitely saw things before the rest of us did and and that was to me that was one of them But uh, yeah, it's it's a $1,600 27 inch display It has an a 13 chip in it I'm really not sure why we needed a chip Well, you know because of $1,500 $1,600 maybe that would be the reason I don't know Well, it's maybe they were thinking the studio computer wouldn't be able to keep up if uh, no, maybe that wouldn't it Like what is this chip? Well, they did mention that you can hook up to three of these to a mac book pro Which I don't think you can do with apple's other displays. Is that right? First of all, apple doesn't have other displays And and second, well, they do they have the pro xdr display. I'm sorry. I yes Stand corrected. They don't have displays for most of us Uh, they but yeah, you can the the macbook pro will support The all those displays for sure um Yeah, the other thing I noticed they mentioned is that uh, so the Thunderbolt port on it can provide 96 watts of power Okay, that that's kind of fun if you want to use or monitor to charge or Your other things Um Yeah, I'm just not sure why it why it needs this a13 chip. I mean, maybe it's to process spatial audio Yeah, that'd be my guess, you know, maybe it's to run these microphones and do whatever the they'd say that there's a what a four microphone array I think or it's a three or four microphone array that uh, you know, just like we have in our our mac book airs and our mac book pros like At a zoomed out level. I'm not saying it's the exact same one But it's the same concept where they're using multiple microphones to narrow down the sound and actually focus things Essentially, you know beam forming if you will To keep from getting echoes and and that sort of thing, right? I mean the other thing I noticed is that So they they made sure to point out that there's a 12 megapixel ultra-wide camera in this and I've noticed that in Several of the announcements apple seems to be gravitating towards making the front camera not lame Oh, it's great. Well, I mean that's the whole center stage thing right is is being able to use that for those of you That that haven't used center stage. It's a pretty It's it's a fantastic experiential thing when you're doing You know either zoom or FaceTime calls or whatever Where either you're moving around a little bit or you have multiple people That that want to be seen by the camera. We do family zooms every weekend. I I have this poly. I think it's the p15 From from poly.com Which is this bar we've talked about it on the show before that sits on top of the monitor I actually have it over at the house And it's got a camera and speakers and all that in it But the camera supports they don't call it center stage because of course that's apple's Terminology for but it's the same idea where it detects how many people are there And it either zooms the camera in or out and pans it to keep all the people However, however many there are in frame and it's fantastic. I can be sitting there talking to my family Lisa sits down the camera zooms out and pans and now you know, lisa and I are Perfectly in the frame center stage the same thing and now it's you know, it's on the iPads and and now it's on this screen So yeah, I guess that's part of the what it needs an a13 chip for I suppose Yeah Damn I um I No, go ahead Pete. I was gonna say I I've got a couple of ones of feature that I think is really cool The other one I'll be interested to see how good it is um And the one of the features is the ability to rotate like an iPad whether it's portrait or landscape It doesn't do that it's they should that's what they show. Yeah, I think the thing is peen macOS has actually supported that for a while for most displays Really, okay, that's cool because I I just thought man I if you're working with uh You know a portrait video or a portrait picture and you're trying to edit it how much more Can you do if you rotate it into the portrait mode and start working with it that way? Yeah, I just I looked at that one. That's cool You aren't looking at a bunch of black bars on both sides of the screen Um, you you have full full real estate to your disposal. Yeah I thought that was neat and then the other thing they're talking about is the anti reflective Glass on it. I'll be real interested to see because that was the biggest drawback I had with my 27 inch iMac when I had that was the windows were behind me in my office and That just made it difficult to look at that thing for very long Um, it wasn't the it wasn't the displays fault, but I mean the anti reflective glass should be the environment Well, yeah, it's it's by default It's got this anti reflective glass and then they commented that they offer a nano texture glass option to even further minimize glare Yeah, so I gotta say Pete I'm totally opposite in that I never liked matte displays because I wanted to get The full brightness and vibrancy of the display and I felt um Correctly or not. Yeah that that a matte display would Wouldn't allow takes take some of that away Yeah No, I get that I just my in my particular environment was the windows were behind me in my office And it just made it miserable to look at the screen for very long No, I hear you I hear you but no I'm looking right here now. So uh sister preferences displays if you go in there There is for most monitors a rotation setting So, uh, if you need to rotate My impression was and I could be wrong that all you had to do is rotate the display and it was like No, I think that they made that I'm pretty sure that that's the The icing on cake is that the monitor knows hey somebody rotated me. So I'm going to change it where otherwise Yeah, you have to manually set it. So it just knows just notes I can see for for programming especially like that's the use case that comes to mind for me Is you know having a the ability to see a a toy monitor with code, you know would would be fantastic. Yeah Yeah, yeah So at first, you know when they started talking about all these features and especially when they said the a13 chip And you can watch the evolution of my thinking If you follow my tweet stream on you know, Dave Hamilton on twitter You can see it was like, okay, what are they going to charge us for this thing? Right? And then they came out with the price 1599 That's a lot of money for a display And then I started thinking about it like wait a minute. Wait a minute This is as I said earlier effectively the same glass as my 5k lg display that I have in the office that I happily paid For a refurb version. I paid 900 and let's say 950 bucks. It was somewhere in that range, right? That the display normally sells for like 1150 or something like that And so that's a we'll call it a dumb display, right? It doesn't have the the it has cameras But not the smart cameras. It doesn't have the you know spatial audio. It doesn't have true tone in it I don't think maybe it does. I don't remember anymore. It doesn't have all the thunderbolt ports. It has some right So it's like, okay. Well, if we take this And back it out that way. Well now this display is a few hundred dollars more than lg's 5k display for someone Probably even someone like me where i'm going to use a different camera here in the studio I'm I you know speakers. I'm not going to use the speakers in the display. I'm like, you know I have I have better speakers here. It's just not going to be how it is So I would just buy one of the lg displays and save a few hundred bucks But i'm only saving a few hundred bucks, right? So I I think this price is it's actually fair As crazy as that sounds to say Because well because like a where else are you going to get a 5k display? Right the you you buy the lg display or now you buy apples. That's it and There is zero comparison between a 4k display a 4k, you know uhd display And apple, you know the lg or apples 5k display You can get a decent looking 4k display at 27 inches But it's not going to be this no or close So right I would agree with you. So to me the value out is number one There's a decent camera and number two there's advanced audio features and number three There's all the ports and stuff. So that may convince someone that this is worth it Though I think I'm with you is that you know, I mean the mono price screen that I got here is you know bigger and I think it's like 300 bucks or something like that Yeah, but that's a 4k screen not a 5k. No, I understand very very different right like yeah Yeah, yeah, but I mean even if you take a like a uh a high quality I would call the mono price a low I have one right next to me Don't you know, don't take any offense at this, but I would call that a low quality and low priced um 27 inch, you know 4k screen and it's fine. It works fine, but You know, you want to get you compare that to like a you know, it's $500 Uh, you know same resolution screen 4k 27 inch screen from view sonic Night and day right put the two next to each other and you'll never want to look at the mono price screen And then you put the lg display or the iMac display or now the studio display from apple Next to either one of those and it's like, okay. I want to look at that like it's you know, so I think it's worth it For all you know think what the uh, you know think what the audio is like Dave Dave what speakers do you have do are you talking about those sonos ones? Or do you have others that I don't remember in in the studio? Well in the studio here I have lots of different speakers Um, but you know, I mean, I'm using my I have these audio engine a5 plusses here All right, okay in the studio But I'm just thinking you know add the price of those to the cost of of your lg monitor You know, and I I don't know what this sounds like, but it it looks like it sounds amazing if you can say that But that's you know, I I agree with you I like I think the price is fair, but Targeting it at someone who has a studio It's like I don't need apples 12 megapixel camera I've got three other cameras that all are better than that one unless I want center stage But as I said even that I've already got, you know, I'm sure apple speakers sound great But I've already got all the speakers I need right, you know, so it's like well I I have no doubt that those features are worth The price that you're paying for them But Most people in a studio Don't need those things in their monitor That's kind of my argument here. Yeah, they've already built it You've already got it and you're going to use something different anyway Like even if you're building from the ground up, you're you're not going to go with that That is you know, that's for I'm not exactly sure who it's for is is really the question But it's fine the lg display exists. You just buy that you're good to go You know, but if you want these features well then By and you know Really and this As as we're having this conversation and the thoughts are are crystallizing a little better You know who this display is for Pete people who wanted a 27 inch iMac Well, there's that yeah And and again for like a retirement machine for me or one to process like drone video that sort of thing Yeah That will be more than sufficient for the things that I want to do Whereas you my friend are quite the audiophile. I wish I had your hearing Yeah, right. Well, but like let's let's look at me down in the office, right? Yes, I have some speakers on my desk But if I had decent speakers in my monitor, I would happily get rid of the Audio engineer twos that I have on my desk just to free up space So I could take one of these studio displays and plug it in Wait a minute. I just sold myself on one of these studio. There you go No, here's the deal I'm going to take that LG 5k screen that's downstairs and bring it up here into the studio Plug it in to one of these You know max studio things So now I'm good to go have everything I need and then I'll buy the studio display put that down in the office It's got the speakers whether I'll use the camera or not Remains to be seen But now it's kind of got everything I want for a typical desktop machine not a studio desktop machine But a typical office desktop machine And yes, I'm super spoiled to be able to even have this conversation But like that's it like that's where those two screens belong For someone like me because like my iMac That's sitting in front of me as we're having this conversation. I'm realizing it has speakers in it. Are they good? Honestly, I have no clue I've never used them. You know is the camera in it good. I can already tell you no It's terrible, right? You know and so I don't use any of that It's like the display is a display that happens to have a decent computer hanging on how old set holds that iMac Well, it's it's almost three years old beat. It's 2019 Okay. Well, I was just because the comment you made to me like the camera. I'm using my in In-machine camera. They're just getting better and better and you told me that the fidelity on it was amazing Yeah, you look better than the rest of us here. It's amazing. Well, I look marvelous I feel better than to feel So I think the 27 inch iMac is dead to answer Andrew Caddick's question in uh in the chat room or on youtube or whatever it came in I do I was gonna ask you that but i'm gonna I'm gonna say I think they're gonna make a 27 inch eventually So this is a stop gap maybe Yeah, I don't know. I mean All the comparisons they were making were basically saying if you've got the 27 inch iMac intel This is your replacement machine now to be fair to your point. It might be this is your replacement machine today Right because it's never it's not going to be static, right apples offerings are going to constantly evolve over time But I don't think they have plans to make that 27 inch iMac man What's the top end 27 inch iMac go for roughly just off the top of your head? That's a great question pete. Why don't we uh Why don't we uh, because if you get the altar you're looking at a 5600 dollar Yeah It's a replacement and if you get the if you get the max you're still looking at a 3600 dollar replacement. So so um Hey guys They don't sell them anymore. Just i'm not finding it. Yeah neither am I i'm seeing is 24 inch. Yeah uh Dave you may have stumbled into the truth Well, you know, no, uh, I bet if you look in the refurb store, you'll find there you go Well, that's not but intel. Yeah, I understand. Yeah Um, I'm maybe you have stumbled bass ackwards into the truth as they say You know even a blind squirrel, right? Um No, they still have 27 inches uh in the uh In the refurb store. Yeah, because because this this morning you could buy one new and so they have to get rid of their stock But the refurb store doesn't mean it's not discontinued. It just means they have stock of them Yeah, there's no you cannot buy a 27 inch iMac anymore. All right, so there's the answer. Yeah, that's it. You're right, Dave I've been corrected That's it People should write to feedback at macgeek.com and tell us where they fell on that issue. Pete Did I hear you right? Did you say feedback at macgeekab.com? I heard you both and I think you said feedback at macgeekab.com If somebody steps on my bunion, I'll shoot you both. Um I didn't know if I'd ever be able to work that quote into a show And I still don't know if I I I don't think he did It wasn't quite as good as peak performance earlier. No, no, no, John definitely wins Yeah, that was much better. Hey, they made an uh a new iphone se which looks a whole lot like the old iphone se Except it has an iphone 13 parts inside it. That's interesting And they fed it some raw vegetables now. It's green the interesting part to me about this and and Like so we're going in our own order here not apple's order of the event the iphone 13 Or the iphone se was the first of the new things that they announced There were a couple of of things I noticed with that that then carried through in fact You know found us where where we spent the last hour here 47 minutes or whatever it is, but They said let's talk about apple silicon and then They went and talked about the iphone se the ipad air And then the new m1 ultra and onto the max studio and all that stuff But I thought it was really telling that apple's story of apple silicon Is not the max story of apple silicon. It is very much Here's all the things we make with apple silicon, which is you know, pretty much everything now It's it's an interesting thing and and when they Started talking about the iphone se The comparison product was iphone 8 So that's the market of people that they are looking at and saying This it's time for you to upgrade just like the max studio is it's time for you 27 inch iMac people to upgrade The iphone se it's time for you to upgrade if you have an iphone 8 26 times faster though, you know dave I gotta say i'm very compelled. So right now. I have an iphone 12 mini as do you I think I have a 13 mini Oh 13, okay, of course. Oh wait, do I have a 13 or 12? I can't tell you was a 12 I'm pretty sure it was a 12. I think you're right. Yeah, here's the thing that Excited me In this day and age dave of masking and stuff like that. I hate face id. I really hate it And this model has touch id now number one Why can't apple put both in a device? I don't understand Because that way they make you buy a watch so like my ipad air has touch id My iphone is face id and my macbook pro is touch id. It's like it's chaos Yeah, so you need you need to sign up either for the developer or Uh, uh public beta of ios 15.4. Yeah, I know they they yeah, they go ahead It changes the game because with a mask it doesn't matter you can unlock your phone You can apple pay you can do all the things that face id lets you do Doesn't matter whether you have a mask on or not. So like that problem goes away I think I don't think even if that were not the case Uh, but it is the case If it were not the case, I don't think you'd be happy going from The 5.4 inch glass screen of your 12 or 13 mini Down to the 4.7 inch glass screen Of the iphone se. I think you would feel like you just got short changed on what you can do on that device Yeah, maybe Yeah, I think it'd be a tough transition. You could do it. We humans are are Remarkably flexible when we force ourselves to be right, but but I mean I went from the 8 to the 12 And I accepted it because I think the screen was pretty much the same size It was it was bigger the screen on the 12 mini was bigger than the 8. Ah, yeah, right. No Yeah, they they they got rid of some of the black space or whatever Yeah, so so they they took advantage of the full display. You're correct. Correct. Yeah going back I don't I think it would be a difficult step But but go get that 15.4 beta like I forget that I'm running betas. It's been super stable for for me here But yeah, I mean, you know, I'm gonna learn how to do that I haven't been doing any of the betas But I mean the other thing is dude the price point. I mean 429 starting though. I'm sure you pay more if you want more ram sure Sure, yeah, but that's very compelling. I think that's going to bring a lot more people into the uh the iphone space I I 100% agree because I mean pretty much these days getting a modern iphone you're talking a thousand bucks Now how you pay for it? It depends on your relationship with what you are going to pay for Oh, yeah, yeah, you're paying either way. Yeah, right. Yep yeah Yeah, it's an interesting thing. All right, so The new ipad air Uh, you know that didn't it really jump it. Oh the one thing that jumped at me with the ipad air is that it's got an m1 chip in it Now That's a big deal Yeah, and we'll ask the river say, um 5g I don't know if they had 5g my my my ipad air does not have 5g there you go Yep, even though there's a 5g chip in it if I put it on my phone, then it's like, oh, yeah, you're 5g So so that's nice and then you know, what do you mean a fight? Wait? Wait? No the ipad the the og ipad air does not have Of a 5g chip in it Right, I'm saying the ipad air that I have Does not have no it has cellular but it yeah, it it doesn't enable 5g Right. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, it doesn't have a 5g radio in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay Yeah, but the new one does. Yeah, that's nice. Then of course. Yeah, it's faster and also. Yeah, I noticed also They're like oh and this by the way also has a 12 megapixel camera Which I think is something new for the ipad air, right? Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good upgrade. I mean, it's not remarkable But it's you know, it's good. Yeah. Yeah anything more on the uh On the ipad air before we jump on I I I was impressed with the um You know the the little bit where they talked about apple tv plus Two things jumped out at me number one was that they cut that deal for friday night baseball Like that is A huge deal if that's a huge deal to you, right? Like you that will bring subscribers in guaranteed Uh, if they could cut a similar deal with the nfl and I I guarantee you they are trying You know, I I think steve jobs when steve jobs passed After I got over the fact that you know, the poor guys family didn't get to have them around anymore and and then Sort of the rest of us once I sort of processed through all of that One thought came to mind and it was that we we just lost the guy that was going to negotiate the nfl online Uh, and and to this day it still hasn't happened. Actually, that's not true If you don't live in the us if you don't live in the us, it's happened You can watch nfl games online. No problem if you live in the uk And then well next next year Thursday night football is going to amazon It's going from twitter to amazon or whatever it was to amazon. That's right Oh, you won't be able to watch them on television on broadcast television. You have to go to amazon that I didn't realize Yes, amazon got exclusivity on Thursday pretty sure it's thursday night and they got al michaels And yeah, and I think you believe in miracles. Yeah, right and the rumor and the rumor is they've got Troy akeman to go with al michaels. That would make sense. Those guys are a pair. Yeah Interesting Yeah, so anyway, I'm sure they're working on on nfl as everyone would be so apple. Yeah I mean for five bucks six bucks a month whatever it is Is it 499? I mean, they'll have just a viable reason to raise it a little bit But yeah, but no that friday night baseball where it's two games exclusive If baseball matters to you you will sign up for apple tv plus without even batting an eye Uh, and then, you know, just as they were going through All of the stuff it was like, you know, look at all of the things that all the movies that apple created the apple originals that had academy award gnomes and it's like that's a lot Of that's a really interesting twist in the world here that, you know, apple is a a world-class movie studio Which is just amazing You know like I I mean, I It's not that I didn't know this coming into the event today But just seeing it sort of put that way put it in front of me. I was like, wow, that's that's fascinating And and they were smart enough not to hire john ham Yeah I'm a huge fletch fan So i'm very much looking forward to john ham's fletch movie although The reason i'm a huge fletch fan is because of chevy chase. So maybe john ham will ruin it But I don't think you I don't think you would but it's hard just hit a water buffalo But it measures the tension between So I have multiple services. I have apple tv And you know, I got a free trial and then they wrote me in and i'm not going to cancel it yet And they've had some compelling stuff but the thing is most of the stuff is original content whereas netflix Yeah, there's netflix on the other hand like I just started watching this one. It's kind of a disturbing show the oa Um, check it out if you haven't already, but i'm binging on that right now But they have huge amounts of archive content, which I really like Sure, um But I like both but apple I think is proven that if you do um And actually netflix has done more original programming as of late But they also have this archive legacy stuff that you know, we like to You know back back to the old days where you know star trek or or stuff like that. But um But yeah, that was at first when he was talking about this. I'm like, hey, you know, that's kind of interesting But it's like no, you know, actually it's it's it's very interesting that they've made progress in this service I don't think that I think netflix is still the biggest Um as far as membership Yeah, that I don't have that. I don't know that data, but I would That wouldn't surprise me if that's true. I mean the other one. I'm on the fence about is Paramount plus because they got Picard And I love star trek Not another service. I do that with cbs all access when when there's a new season of discovery I sign up for cbs all access. I watch it and then I turn it off. That's the end of that Yeah, so yeah, I'm because by the time you pay for amazon prime and apple tv and netflix and bad At that next thing, you know, your cable bills looking pretty attractive. I'm going back to cable Come cast can I come back, please? Now here's a here's a trick. Um You can watch certain things So amazon acquired imdb you can watch certain things like as I found x files Or at least certain seasons or no, I'm sorry, um fringe. Okay, you can watch certain things free Via amazon prime if you know where to look Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's an interesting thing. It's it's actually Brings me to an apple tv thing. I was looking yesterday for a 1950 movie called broken arrow with jimmy stewart And I went on the apple tv and I hit siri. It's a broken arrow and she went right to plex and found it plex movies Like yeah apple tv knows where to go It looks through plex has in a I didn't think plex had visibility into Maybe it's into siri, but not into the apple tv app Right, like I don't think you know like in the apple tv nap You can have your your up next or watch next to you and that'll go and like spider out into You know your other apps not netflix, but you know other apps because they can see I didn't think I'm pretty sure plex does not have a pipe there But uh, but yeah, I guess siri is is different. That's okay. I gotta try that. All right. Yeah, it was really cool I thought well, you know I was looking for it. I found I found it on amazon and they wanted money Yeah, of course So I said hey now it's siri find broken arrow and she opened up plex Interesting now. It's funny because also um, so I don't know if you guys are uh walking dead fans, but um apple actually has ads saying you can ask siri I'm sorry. I was gonna say yes lady, but I said siri. Sorry It doesn't cause a problem because you didn't say the word hey in front of it Okay, but the thing is you can ask siri Um, and they advertise this during the show It's like you can ask siri to show you the latest episode of walking dead And I'm sure any other show that you have access to though the one with you pete I mean that's impressive that it's smart enough to know where the content is to to lead you to it Yeah, especially for an old movie and who was it jimmy steward? Yeah, jimmy steward and debor pageant who is still alive What's your name db? No kidding All right. Well, that's the event. Let us know what you folks thought there was one thing I noticed in this as we were Starting out because I go and get screenshots from the event So I have it on my apple tv and then I also have it On my computer and a web browser and in the lower right for the first time at least for me I noticed a little link that said watch this event in asl And so I clicked it and sure enough they had The feed I saw and I'm presuming everybody got the same feed It was a woman at the time I was watching it was a woman You know signing the whole event they just the the Put her off to the right of it and and you know had the the event in the middle It was the interesting part was I cut over to it While they were doing their montage of all the apple tv Highlights and I happened to cut right while they were in a highlight of kota And I'm like this woman's not doing anything. That's interesting. I was like, oh wait a minute I'm reading on the screen because the people in the movie are signing got it If I wait 10 seconds, I will see her sign something and sure enough. She did but it was like Well, that's just weird why I know why my other observation dave speaking of women is Nearly all of the presenters And especially when they had the developer highlight were all female. That's right. Yeah I think it's good. Is it's That's encouraging Yeah, there's a you know, I've had this conversation with Some friends who are female engineers and the One of them and and I won't Share their name here, although I probably could but one of them was telling me, you know, she she obviously you know feels very strongly about this and and opening up opportunities for women in stem and Then, you know, so she she was it was a mission of hers to really make sure that you know, this could happen That's great amazing And then she told me she's like, yeah, you know I kind of had to back off a little bit because there's not Back off on complaining about companies not hiring as many women engineers and she said They're not there to be hired and this was years ago before, you know, coveted and we had the the labor shortage Which I'm sure has has only exacerbated this And the issue is right. It's a chicken and egg thing You know, you are as a human you are more likely To follow a path if you see someone that looks like you who has successfully completed that path, right? Unless you just have the mindset of a trailblazer that says well, no one that looks like me has done that I'm going to make it happen, which is amazing. And I obviously commend people who do that, but It's good for us as a society to have Young women girls able to see Successful women out there as engineers because then it just normalizes it and it's not like I need to be the one to blaze a trial I I could just follow a trail and and I can do what she did because she did it so I can do it no problem And so for that reason, I was very glad to see that they highlighted female engineers. It was it was very inspiring Yeah, exactly. It's like great. Let's let's normalize this even though it's it's not the norm, right? I mean in in that I I'm I'm certain the majority of engineers employed these days are Are you know identify as male? But showing women engineers it just creates that path and it's like great. Yep Well, especially in I mean, they were all managers or directors or stuff like that. So yeah, you can climb the ladder Absolutely. Yeah, the glass ceiling is It's probably still there, but probably yeah, not as much. Yeah, I'm sure you're right Which is it's you know, yeah I was gonna say Pete how many I mean, what percentage of aviators are female or I know my company at seven percent Okay, which is interesting well below the norm. Um, I know that where my daughter is going to school would be a pilot It's uh, 18 percent female. Okay, and that's that's university wide not just pilots, but yeah Yeah, your dynamic engineering and Meteorology that kind of stuff great, but man, they're smart kids I mean those kids are putting literally putting little payloads on the space station. So that's awesome. I love that. That's so cool All right, folks. Thanks for listening. We will be back, of course on monday with uh, with macky keb 919 another palindromic episode We love those Uh, we will be recording that friday morning if you want to join you can go to macky keb.com slash calendar And subscribe to our calendar that way you get to uh, you get to know when we're recording because that's the same calendar that uh, that we use here Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Thank you for Your time. Thanks for supporting our sponsors Of course, you can visit iamazing.com and use coupon code mg g 30 mg g 30 You can check out our other sponsors and other coupon codes at macky keb.com slash sponsors And have a great week. Have a great day Enjoy yourselves Don't do anything we wouldn't do Um, take care of your shoes and John I I feel like I'm missing something Um, I don't think so. I I think I'm gonna hand it over to pete pete. What what are you looking at shoes shoes You got with shoes. Oh Don't get caught That was it. I knew I was missing something You