 But in autistic-autistic relationships I find that just in general talking to friends, talking to anyone autistic really, it tends to be that we take turns when it comes to speaking. So with my experience with talking to neurotypicals it tends to be kind of a very quick sort of back and forth kind of discussion that sort of, it's like a game of table tennis whereas talking to an autistic person it's more like you know you play those games in primary school and secondary school you get the talking ball, you know someone passes you the talking ball and why you've got the talking ball, no one else is allowed to speak but you are, you have the power. It's kind of like that, it's kind of like you just pass the ball to each other after two or three minutes of talking and I find that quite relaxed and I've found it quite easy.